'we let' women have rights? Women fought tooth and nail for years to get those rights, and assholes are still trying to claw them away; fuck, there's places in the US right now where women are dying because their access to healthcare has been sabotaged by a supreme court that reinterpreted the constitution to remove their rights.
"we" in this case could be the American government in general and the supreme court specifically. The fact that such an important right was "granted" by a decision of nine random schmucks and can be taken away by another decision (rather than being a law) is not a great look for that government.
But you're right that it was not the best phrasing. Activism is extremely important esp on more local levels
A greentext. All the best greentexts are a wild ride. I admit it's very much not always a window into how other people live, but it sure is a window into how other people think!
The same reason anyone would be: because their current body doesn't match their gender identity and they want to change that. This person just happened to start inside the same arbitrary social category as their destination.
The word cisgender (often shortened to cis; sometimes cissexual) describes a person whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth, i.e., someone who is not transgender.
If they're taking hrt it sounds like they'd want to change their gender
Just as some AMAB (Assigned Male At Birth) men want to look more masculine and will work out at the gym or take testosterone supplements, some AMAB men are femboys and may temporarily take feminizing HRT to look less masculine.
Both are trying to change their bodies to better fit their gender identity, and femboy is clearly a different identity from gym bro, but they are both male gender identities.
In short: Femboy is about presenting as a very feminine man, men doing that can include trans men.
Slightly longer: It's why there are different categories for sex, gender assigned at birth, gender identity and gender expression. A femboy would identify male and express feminine. The opposite is a tomboy, somebody who identifies as female and expresses in a masculine manner, both are not necessarily linked to the individuals sex and/or gender assigned at birth.
Trans refers to a different gender identity than the gender assigned at birth and doesn't come into play here.
Well, rubber fist may really be a different thing. I even think that a real fist or even a dick sometimes doesn't imply homosexually, only asserting dominance :(
Anon is a closeted bi and open femboy, and just doesn't want to admit he likes it. Meanwhile, he's totally fine being someone's FB for free rent, but also feels guilty that he is kinda messing with his other friends in the meantime.
Sounds more to me like anon isn’t romantically attracted to men but is sexually. Which is very confusing if you don’t have words for it but that simple language/label would solve anons problems
FB - Fuck Buddy, Friend with Benefits, or whatever you wanna call it. Someone who engages in regular sexual activities with a small group of people, usually just one, in exchange for some good or service. In Anon's case, he's a power-bottom femboy who gets fucked in exchange for free rent.
I thought the benefits were exclusively sexy benefits. I think I should've said yes to Jamie all those years ago. Turns out I'm "drunk and horny enough" now, Jamie.
Yeah a cis dude might get testosterone if his normal testosterone is low. I assume there's something similar for women. I don't think that's what this guy is talking about though.
It's fairly common for women to start taking estrogen post menopause because their estrogen levels drop, and that can cause issues like losing bone density. I believe HRT was originally developed specifically for that reason, and it was only later that they tried using it to treat gender dysphoria.
But in this case, they specifically call out being a femboy on HRT, which I think pretty clearly says that they're on estrogen for that female figure. Whether it's DIY or just informed consent is anyone's guess, though.
even if the intentions are well meaning, egging someone carries the risk of misgendering a cis person. be supportive, but respect what people currently call themselves until they tell you otherwise
wonder how some of the greedier telehealth hrt providers (not naming names but it's all on Google) would react if someone straight up said "I'm cis but want to be more attractive to a certain demographic, gimme the femboy pills". I'd give 70/30 they'd eventually agree.
p.s. personally I think hrt should be maximally cheap and sold over the counter.
I know a straight cis femboy who wants to take HRT - I dont fully understand it, but I respect its his right to do what he wants with his body and identify however he pleases.
Some people just want more customization options I guess
Think some HRT femboys do consider themselves cis. At that point tho imo it's just a matter of personal labels since they are definitely non conforming
If the other guy has great technique, who knows what could happen!
I'm a man. I can make myself cum. Therefore, I must be gay.
Humanity. We’re a diverse bunch. We really really are.
I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that a dude - particularly a young horny dude - isn't going to cum with a fucking sexy whisper in his ear is crazy. Never even mind the Kinsey Scale, this seems to deny the idea of being horny.
In other news, my friend got me to try carrot in his meat and potato pie, and I was all "keep that orange shit off my plate" but he was persistent and I caved and tried it for the first time in a decade (with a big chunk of meat) and I didn't hate it at all.
I shouted at him when he fed me "some kind of exotic shredded fruit peel cake, try it, it's really moist and tasty" and when I liked it admitted it was carrot cake. I shouted a lot, and he just laughed at me and offered me another stupid delicious slice, the git.
So I think the lesson we all learned is that when I think I can't possibly be persuaded to try something and that I find the very idea unpleasant, I might well be wrong. Quite, quite wrong.
So, Jamie, wherever you are these days, sorry. If I had my time over I'd give it a try. The internet agrees with your point about who gives the best head, and I hope you're happy somewhere with some lucky guy who is indeed having the Jamie "I wouldn't just blow your dick, I would fucking blow your mind" treatment. Seems stupid in retrospect not to have said yes.
You did say "call me when you're drunk and horny enough". Well, today's that day, but I don't have your number and there's no way I'm involving our parents in a decade-overdue "Does Jamie want to come round to play?"
I’m a man. I can make myself cum. Therefore, I must be gay.
Once I did it with my right hand, but I'm left handed, if you know what I mean. You really notice the dick in your hand when you do it that way, I can tell you. I learned some things about myself that day. Things I didn't tell my homies, despite them all having dicks that I had very much not been thinking about, but which must inevitably have similar fundamental characteristics.
Are you saying that to experience a whole new type of sensational overload you would need to let go of your preconceived ideas and just let what's gonna happen happen? Give in and give it up? It's a lot to ask, a lot to ask.
When they say femboy they mean that they are a trans man that doesn't present itself as manly enough or a trans female that hasn't transitioned that much yet?
In one of those cases being into dudes would be being straight.
No, a femboy is a feminine boy. They usually crossdress or at least dress androginously. They don't necessarily want to transition or take HRT (although this one does).
Given that this one does, and that a trans person that wants to transition would refer to themselves as the gender they want to transition, they would be a trans male. However it's 4chan and fake so I bet they meant a trans female, where being into dudes would be being straight.
He can still be an amab femboy and take hrt to become more feminine without transitioning to become a woman. He does not claim to be trans, just a femboy.
Well sure but... Why? That's a great way to give a huge blow to your body for fun. Anyway, it's 4chan so whatever. In any case you are right, I assumed more than was stated.
People modify ("deal a huge blow to" in your words) their bodies all the time to fit certain preferences. Be it tattoos, piercings (including earrings), cosmetic surgery or even stuff like body building.
It is not that strange that people want to express themselves with their body.
Does it matter why? Bodily autonomy means bodily autonomy for everyone, regardless of whether you "understand" or or not. If he wants to be a more feminized masc, is it hurting you?
Can't give a general answer, but we can look to history. Consider the Castrati: removing the testicles before puberty prevented a boy's voice from changing, giving them a high singing voice in adulthood.
It might be in this case, but I would not object for a trans man to call themselves femboy if they look like a feminine boy, since for all that matters to me a trans man is a man.
You may not object but that's not how the word is commonly used. Anyone can call themselves anything, but for words to have any meaning we need to have a gentleman's agreement about when and how to use them, which is basically what a language is.
Anyway, I'm just explaining the word's conventional meaning. I have no interest in arguing with you as if I were some kind of linguistic prescriptivist.
I've heard from a few transfem lesbian friends that one of the hardest parts of coming out to themselves as trans was that it would also mean acknowledging they're not straight, because if you're someone who feels like you're failing at being a man, attraction to women can be pretty grounding. "It was the one normal thing about me" - whole lot of internalised misogyny/transphobia/homophobia.
But that's our assumption, it's true that it might just be a dude that likes being feminine, no trans involved.
Quite right; labels like straight get pretty wibbly in situations like this. I find it sad because the current prevalence of homophobia and transphobia makes it hard for us to collectively understand what would it mean to be a cis-het femboy who takes HRT — for us to conceptualise of a world where that isn't a contradiction. Bigotry makes it harder for people to explore their true selves, regardless of their gender or sexuality.
You're absolutely right! Buuuut most femboys that have gone that far in the process have some cracks showing haha. By all means, not all, everyone is their own individual and I'm generalizing for the sake of a joke.
Came here after the comment got deleted. Did that moron really claim that greentext dude is homophobic? He literally let himself fucked by his gay friend ffs.
There's an entire planet worth of difference between "Failing to have a fairly profound realization about yourself" and "being homophobic". Sometimes people are just clueless. Other times, greentexts are all fake.
"Dude who's in denial about being bisexual has hobosexual relationship with another man, is shocked that they developed feelings"
Yeah that 100% checks out actually
Hobosexual is wild lmfao
depressingly common, was even more common before we let women have rights
'we let' women have rights? Women fought tooth and nail for years to get those rights, and assholes are still trying to claw them away; fuck, there's places in the US right now where women are dying because their access to healthcare has been sabotaged by a supreme court that reinterpreted the constitution to remove their rights.
"we" in this case could be the American government in general and the supreme court specifically. The fact that such an important right was "granted" by a decision of nine random schmucks and can be taken away by another decision (rather than being a law) is not a great look for that government.
But you're right that it was not the best phrasing. Activism is extremely important esp on more local levels
Straight but being bi unlocks additional dialog options
I'm not gay I just hate missing out
Brother, you're bi.
Nice insight roll
I can't believe no one else said this but I feel it's necessary...
Fake and gay
Queer and insincere, even.
Lots of fake shit all over Lemmy lately. Clogged with bot gen crap and memes.
It is like reddit, but without Spez
Still an improvement then
being a fuck toy for free rent. holy fucking based
I've heard it called being "homelessexual"
Hobosexual
I thought hobosexual was you exclusively date people who carry bindles and hitch free rides on freight trains.
Trafficking? Where they taking them? Home?!
bro im gonna coom
What the fuck did I just read.
A greentext. All the best greentexts are a wild ride. I admit it's very much not always a window into how other people live, but it sure is a window into how other people think!
Can't tell if oop is transman or transwoman or cis guy on hrt. No matter which one they are still bi and should just learn to accept it.
Why would they be on hrt
maybe they're a twitch streamer
The same reason anyone would be: because their current body doesn't match their gender identity and they want to change that. This person just happened to start inside the same arbitrary social category as their destination.
I'm confused
If they're taking hrt it sounds like they'd want to change their gender
Just as some AMAB (Assigned Male At Birth) men want to look more masculine and will work out at the gym or take testosterone supplements, some AMAB men are femboys and may temporarily take feminizing HRT to look less masculine.
Both are trying to change their bodies to better fit their gender identity, and femboy is clearly a different identity from gym bro, but they are both male gender identities.
What hormones would a gym fembroy take though?
Answer is still HRT, and a femboy would probably have a very different exercise routine than a gym bro in terms of areas they'd want to work.
Could be a lot of reasons.
What would some of those reasons be?
Low to no sexdrive and they want to have one
Trying to stop or slow down the progression of male pattern baldness
Loss of muscle mass.
To fix low testosterone
Maybe they are not trans but want to be more feminine looking.
Not necessarily, they could be a feminine trans man.
I thought a femboy was specifically AMAB who presents more femininely.
They're saying in this case, seemingly, he was born male, but a trans femboy can exist.
That makes sense, thanks.
In short: Femboy is about presenting as a very feminine man, men doing that can include trans men.
Slightly longer: It's why there are different categories for sex, gender assigned at birth, gender identity and gender expression. A femboy would identify male and express feminine. The opposite is a tomboy, somebody who identifies as female and expresses in a masculine manner, both are not necessarily linked to the individuals sex and/or gender assigned at birth.
Trans refers to a different gender identity than the gender assigned at birth and doesn't come into play here.
"You telling me the man who try to put a rubber fist in my anus was a homosexual?"
Well, rubber fist may really be a different thing. I even think that a real fist or even a dick sometimes doesn't imply homosexually, only asserting dominance :(
✈️ 🤨
What no pussy does to a mf
Fake and Gay
Gay, Anon is gay
Fake, Anon claims to be straight
Naaah… just fake.
It came across as a liiiitle bit gay, no?
TIL people still believe 4chan bullshit is real.
It might not always be a window into how other people live, but it is always a window into what other people think about.
Every greentext is based in some reality
Indeed, indeed.
If one is only bi on the Internet, is one really straight?
What in the 4chan bullshit is this?
Anon is a closeted bi and open femboy, and just doesn't want to admit he likes it. Meanwhile, he's totally fine being someone's FB for free rent, but also feels guilty that he is kinda messing with his other friends in the meantime.
Basically, Anon is a moron.
Sounds more to me like anon isn’t romantically attracted to men but is sexually. Which is very confusing if you don’t have words for it but that simple language/label would solve anons problems
Bro it's the same smh
FB - Fuck Buddy, Friend with Benefits, or whatever you wanna call it. Someone who engages in regular sexual activities with a small group of people, usually just one, in exchange for some good or service. In Anon's case, he's a power-bottom femboy who gets fucked in exchange for free rent.
FWBs get paid?! Why wasn't I told this?
Yeah dude, and great dental, 401k, generous pto. What'd you think the benefits were?
Fuckboi Union benefits are real, folks. Organize your fuckbois.
I thought the benefits were exclusively sexy benefits. I think I should've said yes to Jamie all those years ago. Turns out I'm "drunk and horny enough" now, Jamie.
It’s exactly that. 4chan bullshit.
> writes gay fanfic with really weird twists
> wtf, gay shit is fucking weird
Is self-identified cis people getting HRT a thing? I'm genuinely curious, I assume it's all DIY, right? In any case, that was a wild ride
Yeah a cis dude might get testosterone if his normal testosterone is low. I assume there's something similar for women. I don't think that's what this guy is talking about though.
It's fairly common for women to start taking estrogen post menopause because their estrogen levels drop, and that can cause issues like losing bone density. I believe HRT was originally developed specifically for that reason, and it was only later that they tried using it to treat gender dysphoria.
But in this case, they specifically call out being a femboy on HRT, which I think pretty clearly says that they're on estrogen for that female figure. Whether it's DIY or just informed consent is anyone's guess, though.
she is just an egg for now, in denial i guess.
That's not rare,
lets not egg people its not nice
Well, For me as transgender person, it's like a compliment ,
No bad meaning here, sorry
even if the intentions are well meaning, egging someone carries the risk of misgendering a cis person. be supportive, but respect what people currently call themselves until they tell you otherwise
Right, because some rando on the internet knows more about this person than he does himself.
Find its own gender can be a process. And each is unique. He/she, that's not what matters after all.
And you can see my other reply next to ,
Sorry, English, you know...
Was a joke, maybe bad, my bad ...
wonder how some of the greedier telehealth hrt providers (not naming names but it's all on Google) would react if someone straight up said "I'm cis but want to be more attractive to a certain demographic, gimme the femboy pills". I'd give 70/30 they'd eventually agree.
p.s. personally I think hrt should be maximally cheap and sold over the counter.
That’s something informed consent should permit. “Here are the effects, do you want them?”
I know a straight cis femboy who wants to take HRT - I dont fully understand it, but I respect its his right to do what he wants with his body and identify however he pleases.
Some people just want more customization options I guess
They never said cis, did they? Could be a transman.
Think some HRT femboys do consider themselves cis. At that point tho imo it's just a matter of personal labels since they are definitely non conforming
That's hilarious, I wouldn't know how to react lmao
Nah, lol. I can't believe this
that's crazy
yea, that dude can't come to terms with his homosexuality and that must be difficult to live through
Gay is when democrat
Lol not even american. Go outside and touch grass. Wait to they even have grass where you live?
Sounds like you are projecting.
Insert a cactus into your rectum.
I've known a lot of gay and asexual women that end up in this exact scenario
???
Straight men have prostates too. If the other guy has great technique, who knows what could happen!
In other news, greentexts are sometimes a bit of a wild ride, and I maintain that the best ones always are.
Humanity. We're a diverse bunch. We really really are.
I'm a man. I can make myself cum. Therefore, I must be gay.
I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that a dude - particularly a young horny dude - isn't going to cum with a fucking sexy whisper in his ear is crazy. Never even mind the Kinsey Scale, this seems to deny the idea of being horny.
In other news, my friend got me to try carrot in his meat and potato pie, and I was all "keep that orange shit off my plate" but he was persistent and I caved and tried it for the first time in a decade (with a big chunk of meat) and I didn't hate it at all.
I shouted at him when he fed me "some kind of exotic shredded fruit peel cake, try it, it's really moist and tasty" and when I liked it admitted it was carrot cake. I shouted a lot, and he just laughed at me and offered me another stupid delicious slice, the git.
So I think the lesson we all learned is that when I think I can't possibly be persuaded to try something and that I find the very idea unpleasant, I might well be wrong. Quite, quite wrong.
So, Jamie, wherever you are these days, sorry. If I had my time over I'd give it a try. The internet agrees with your point about who gives the best head, and I hope you're happy somewhere with some lucky guy who is indeed having the Jamie "I wouldn't just blow your dick, I would fucking blow your mind" treatment. Seems stupid in retrospect not to have said yes.
You did say "call me when you're drunk and horny enough". Well, today's that day, but I don't have your number and there's no way I'm involving our parents in a decade-overdue "Does Jamie want to come round to play?"
what,
what the fuck. the, ugghhh.... shredded cake
https://youtu.be/AmKJbxffOmE
Trust me.
Once I did it with my right hand, but I'm left handed, if you know what I mean. You really notice the dick in your hand when you do it that way, I can tell you. I learned some things about myself that day. Things I didn't tell my homies, despite them all having dicks that I had very much not been thinking about, but which must inevitably have similar fundamental characteristics.
Not with that attitude you wont
Are you saying that to experience a whole new type of sensational overload you would need to let go of your preconceived ideas and just let what's gonna happen happen? Give in and give it up? It's a lot to ask, a lot to ask.
hm, very lucid and clear. Instructions I could follow, thank you
Well, I'm not sure you really want explicit instructions.
I'm so confused. I think I'm just going to go soak in the tub and stare at my toes.
Greece was 3000 years early to OPs game
op is pretty fucking based ngl
What does based mean? Edit after finding out: That's wild. When there are many other words to describe the same thing.
authentic and in touch with who he is
Slang meaning cool, admirable
When they say femboy they mean that they are a trans man that doesn't present itself as manly enough or a trans female that hasn't transitioned that much yet?
In one of those cases being into dudes would be being straight.
No, a femboy is a feminine boy. They usually crossdress or at least dress androginously. They don't necessarily want to transition or take HRT (although this one does).
Given that this one does, and that a trans person that wants to transition would refer to themselves as the gender they want to transition, they would be a trans male. However it's 4chan and fake so I bet they meant a trans female, where being into dudes would be being straight.
He can still be an amab femboy and take hrt to become more feminine without transitioning to become a woman. He does not claim to be trans, just a femboy.
Well sure but... Why? That's a great way to give a huge blow to your body for fun. Anyway, it's 4chan so whatever. In any case you are right, I assumed more than was stated.
People modify ("deal a huge blow to" in your words) their bodies all the time to fit certain preferences. Be it tattoos, piercings (including earrings), cosmetic surgery or even stuff like body building.
It is not that strange that people want to express themselves with their body.
Does it matter why? Bodily autonomy means bodily autonomy for everyone, regardless of whether you "understand" or or not. If he wants to be a more feminized masc, is it hurting you?
No, it's not, which is why I agreed that you were right in that very same post.
What do you mean by "huge blow to your body"?
Can't give a general answer, but we can look to history. Consider the Castrati: removing the testicles before puberty prevented a boy's voice from changing, giving them a high singing voice in adulthood.
You misunderstand. Femboys are people who were born with penises.
It might be in this case, but I would not object for a trans man to call themselves femboy if they look like a feminine boy, since for all that matters to me a trans man is a man.
You may not object but that's not how the word is commonly used. Anyone can call themselves anything, but for words to have any meaning we need to have a gentleman's agreement about when and how to use them, which is basically what a language is.
Anyway, I'm just explaining the word's conventional meaning. I have no interest in arguing with you as if I were some kind of linguistic prescriptivist.
Transfeminine but doesn’t want to acknowledge it. It’s a thing, mostly on 4chan
That's what I assumed and I was making fun of the poster because if that were the case, being into guys would be being straight.
But that's our assumption, it's true that it might just be a dude that likes being feminine, no trans involved.
I've heard from a few transfem lesbian friends that one of the hardest parts of coming out to themselves as trans was that it would also mean acknowledging they're not straight, because if you're someone who feels like you're failing at being a man, attraction to women can be pretty grounding. "It was the one normal thing about me" - whole lot of internalised misogyny/transphobia/homophobia.
Quite right; labels like straight get pretty wibbly in situations like this. I find it sad because the current prevalence of homophobia and transphobia makes it hard for us to collectively understand what would it mean to be a cis-het femboy who takes HRT — for us to conceptualise of a world where that isn't a contradiction. Bigotry makes it harder for people to explore their true selves, regardless of their gender or sexuality.
Gen Z have just rebranded twinks.
Femboy and tomboy are terms that precede the inception of the first genZ though?
From my experience, you still use twink to refer to a male-presenting queer man, a femboy is basically a female-presenting twink.
good lord. so thankful to be me.
if you are a woman then how is that not straight to fuck man
A femboy isn’t a woman
Something something egg...
Gender presentation does not equal gender identity.
You're absolutely right! Buuuut most femboys that have gone that far in the process have some cracks showing haha. By all means, not all, everyone is their own individual and I'm generalizing for the sake of a joke.
a woman is whoever says they're a woman. does that trigger you Matt Walsh?
she is just an egg for now, in denial i guess.
That’s not rare,
yeah this bitch is totally straight because she is a girl actually
I don't think they're homophobic, just in denial.
Also maybe bisexual and heteroromantic or smth else that's hard to realize.
Came here after the comment got deleted. Did that moron really claim that greentext dude is homophobic? He literally let himself fucked by his gay friend ffs.
There's an entire planet worth of difference between "Failing to have a fairly profound realization about yourself" and "being homophobic". Sometimes people are just clueless. Other times, greentexts are all fake.
..and gay