Spyke
lemmy.world

I just want to say for the record that if anyone is on trial for brutally beating a KKK member and I'm on the jury I will never ever convict you. That is not a crime.

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Spotreply
startrek.website

On the jury, being shown some video evidence....

"It doesn't look like anything to me."

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You can actually question if video evidence is still credible, with editing software and deep fakes nowadays.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

I would never say something like that on record.

Unrelated fun fact: having that kind of record come up in voir dire would immediately get you kicked off the jury.

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If a lawyer can find this they deserve to kick me off the jury. Although I will say I've never been picked for a jury I think I'm Kryptonite the most lawyers.

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moistclumpreply
lemmy.world

Unfortunately jury nullification also has a very racist history. Not to say it can’t be used for good now!

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As long as it still exists, use it for good I guess.

We can't change the system in a day, but we can use the tricks that racists use to nudge it in the proper direction.

And if they don't like it, sure they can go ahead and remove those tricks. Only makes our system more fair and straightforward, which is a good thing.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Parts of CT are KKK strongholds.

I have a friend who used to live there and he told me his town had some prominent klansmen there, and there were rallies a town or two away.

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lemm.ee

In the past they've been socially aware enough to keep it to themselves. Since Trump became a thing they've gotten bold.

I live in New England so I'm close-ish to where this happened... I'd like to throw something on them like wine to stain their ghost costumes but who knows if thats legal and i dont want to end up in jail since i have responsibilities to people other than just me.

Is tossing glitter on them not assault? I want something that sticks and makes it so they don't want to wear that outfit anymore. Glitter that's fine enough never comes out.. because it's micro plastics. I normally avoid glitter but feel this might be an exception. Any other ideas non-violent ideas to make them feel unwelcome??

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Wine is probably a civil matter, right? They'd have to take you to court under their real name to recover damages.

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bl_rreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I want something that sticks so they don’t want to wear that outfit anymore… any other ideas non-violent ideas to make them feel unwelcome??

I’ve got just the thing for you. Vegan milkshakes. Well, any milkshake will do, because the point of throwing a shake is to get them soaked in a liquid that will smell awful if it bakes in the sun. It might stain clothes, and it will certainly be uncomfortable. You should probably use a chocolate shake with the klansmen, it’ll stain their bedsheets real good.

The best part about it is the physical harm inflicted is minimal, while the social harm, humiliation, is pretty significant. This is important because humiliation is the achilles heel of fascists, since their world view is based on imagery, and this action disrupts it.

The other good thing this does is it can be used to make a potential agitator leave so they can clean up.

This, unfortunately, is assault (or some other illegal activity), so keep that in mind.

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lemmy.world

Leave it to a place called Mystic to have it's own Grand Wizard.

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Roldyclarkreply
literature.cafe

Mystic is actually really nice these people are probably coming in from the sticks

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lemm.ee

Remember that every single one of those creatures are going to vote.

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They are going to exercise... their right to vote!

I'll be leaving now. You can stop throwing things.

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lemmy.world

Well, I count five of them. CT hasn't been a swing state since Reagan. I wouldn't be too worried about that changing this cycle.

But just like with other big blue states, like California and Illinois, you often see the perennial losers go full freak mode as a form of coping. Its the same way you see folks in Austin, TX or Miami, FL going full hippie-bumper-sticker on their cars and bikes. Folks sometimes think being louder is a substitute for being more popular.

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No this is honest. I travel a lot for work and I feel like I see more Trump signs in CT than I did in KY. Not to say that there aren't more Trump supporters in KY, but they are a LOUD minority

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lemmy.world

Unless you shoot them first. Edit: please don't shoot anyone. This is not a call for violence

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lemmy.world

I don't normally pick at the physical appearances of people just for the sake of it, but I've noticed that Trump attracts a certain type of follower. Take a look at the people in the background of the next Trump rally and tell me what you see.

Those people and these people are the same. Just a bunch of trashy hillbillies. These klansmen are not the fringe supporters of Trump's cult, they're the ones down in the front. Like wax statues melting in the sun, their eyes glazed over enraptured as word salad pours out of Donald Trump's mouth.

And don't say "well that guy wearing the klan outfit is just a troll, the other people there are not associated with that!". If you've got one Nazi in a bar full of people, you're in a Nazi bar. If you've got one klansman at a Trump rally, you're at a klan rally.

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Maggotyreply
lemmy.world

Other than the presence of the Klan, those are normal people. This is exactly the kind of elitism they talk about encountering.

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Skatesreply
feddit.nl

oh don't mind him that's just Freddy, he don't like 'em colored folk and gays, he's a good kid, I knew his momma

Are you fucked în the head? "other than the presence of the Klan, those are normal people" what in the shit does that mean? Why the fuck is the Klan present there? Why is nobody chasing them away? How the shit are you doing anything in your life and you see goddamn nazis next to you waving the swastika and you don't stop to think "yo, maybe I shouldn't be here"? How do "normal people" end up mixed with Klan members and just roll with it, motherfucker? HOW?

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Maggotyreply
lemmy.world

Because the comment I replied to called all Trump rally goers hillbilly trash in a general sense. Yeah the people in this picture have an issue. Calling everyone who supports Trump hillbilly trash is exactly the elitist take the far right feeds on.

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lemmy.world

If you have no problem hanging out with Klan members, you are hillbilly trash.

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Maggotyreply
lemmy.world

Okay. Find me the picture of klan robes at a Trump rally. If you want to color the entire movement you need that evidence. Not 5 people in the middle of nowhere.

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No sir. I'm not seeing that with "Nazi Flag at Trump Rally" and CPAC isn't even on the radar of the average voter. Most people have their interaction with Trump at his rallies and via conservative news. I'm not saying everything is okay. The man brought back 1800's xenophobic myths on the national debate stage. But again the average voter isn't thinking about it that way. They're engaged with it in a fearful way because that's how Fox News gave it to them.

And you guys are still massively missing the point. This is a third of our country. Alienating them plays into the hand of extremists. They need to see they're wrong. Not be shunned out of a society that killed their jobs, left them in broken towns, brought them the opioid crisis, and ignores their needs. They are the epitome of believing government is broken because the Republicans broke it. And you can't fix that by calling them trash. You have to find a way to bring them good governance again. Get them back into mainstream stuff.

This entire flipping thread has been nothing but a project in othering. And you can't do that to 33% of your country without severe consequences.

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phxreply
lemmy.ca

You get judged by the company you keep

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IsThisAnAIreply
lemmy.world

So I'm assuming you're okay with being accused of supporting China and tankies?

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phxreply
lemmy.ca

And you got that from what?

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Maggotyreply
lemmy.world

Sure. Judge them for attending a Trump rally. But don't call them trash people.

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WoahWoahreply
lemmy.world

People like the ones you're responding to struggle to fully comprehend that they're literally attempting to characterize half the country.

A different thread wants to put them all into a "magat map." Putting aside the dubious idea that mapping the locations of a group of people they're referring to as literal vermin isn't gross to begin with, you would be mapping the location of half the population of the United States.

Harris is losing momentum according to polls and Trump is slowly but steadily rising. It's on average every other person you meet. Disparaging them does nothing except fuel the the charges of elitism, as you note.

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Well more like 1 in 3 but yeah. (Half the country habitually does not vote)

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Furbagreply
lemmy.world

Normal people don't hang out with klansman, we beat the shit out of them.

These people are far from normal. They're downright weird.

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lemmy.world

As a German I have a solution:

If we see a Nazi, we punch them. And with see, I mean specific symbols, clothing or other specific identifiers.

If I'm on a trump really, I should be able to punch the people in KKK outfits, the ones with swastikas, and the ones with old flags representing nationalism. And I should also be able to call the rest of them out.

I like this solution. It's a pretty straightforward one.

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That's the problem. There is no evidence of specific symbols at Trump rallies. The commenter above has conflated the people in this picture with all Trump voters.

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lemmynsfw.com

I'm not sure what's worse - the KKK member or the person standing unashamedly next to them showing their face

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lemmy.world

Putin says things like that because he knows it influences people in ways he desires. There is an absolute massive industry the Russian government created to push their stuff. It is meaningless when it comes from him, because he doesn't actually endorse anyone, he is stirring shit.

The KKK are, A. in the US and voters, and B. endorse candidates they feel most suit their ideology. So a US presidential candidate getting an endorsement from the KKK, vs Putin saying he likes one, are two different things.

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lemm.ee

Noone in their mind wants kkk endorsement. It's 100% setup . And Trump s campaign rejected the endorsement

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It doesn't matter that he didn't accept it. The KKK's endorsement is the KKK saying that you are the candidate that is in their favor. Simply being in the favor of the KKK is a black mark.

What is 100% a set-up? The KKK endorsement? No, they really did endorse Trump, as an organization. Are you talking about PD standing there, with that sign? Sure, he went there to do that. Was he an agent of the government, or some influential organization? No, he is just an internet troll, that doesn't meet the requirements to be an agent provocateur. Further, what he did, did not make it seem as though the group, he had infiltrated, did something they had not, in order to malign them with the general public/government of review. He stood there, with a sign, that said something that is true.

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Oh, wait, you actually called Professional Douche and agent provocateur... PD is just a guy who publicly trolls people, he doesn't like, on YouTube. He isn't a government operative sewing disinformation. It is probably pointless to talk to you, if you genuinely think this.

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lemmy.wtf

That's weird, I thought klansmen don't have to hide their faces behind hoods anymore after Trump. Someone should tell the guy to get with the times

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SirDerpyreply
lemmy.world

Their costume makes them easier to identify: in public, down the sights, and in the courtroom. It won't matter even if someone does tell them. They don't understand any language but violence.

As a brown man, that's why I've bought a rifle and handgun. If they wish to have a "conversation" with me, then we'll "talk".

Thinking about MAC10 bump fire between my 9 and 5.56. But, fuck it's expensive.

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Anticorpreply
lemmy.world

MAC10

bump fire

5.56

None of that shit is legal where I live.

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SirDerpyreply
lemmy.world

Bump fire isn't a device. It's a technique that's easier to perform with certain firearms such as a suppressed MAC10. It can't be made illegal.

If this is your way of saying you'd like to arm yourself but cannot due to local law or your status, then explore a replica Remington Model 1858. If that's not legal, a muzzle loader. And, if that's not legal, bear mace.

Take a safety class. If you don't want to learn from a LEO or NRA asshole then engage the SRA.

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Anticorpreply
lemmy.world

I misunderstood and thought you were talking about a bump stock, which is a device. I own firearms, but all center-fire, semi-auto rifles were banned in my State this year.

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lemm.ee

Do you think scientology is jealous that they’re getting beat by MAGA?

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I know some former Christian Scientist is laughing his ass off knowing that no cult lasts long if it remains tied to their leader.

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Come on folks. Do you think the actual KKK would have a sign saying: "Trump: Endorsed by the KKK!"

I mean Trump took an avowed white nationalist Laura Loomer to a 9/11 ceremony. We don't need to find evidence out there that Trump is racist, he's out there telling everybody himself.

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Yeah, I have been loosely following him for a couple years now. He is hilarious. I hope he doesn't get himself, or his life standing, damaged by the freaks he taunts, especially since one of his biggest targets is the police.

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lemmy.world

To be honest, attending that “event” in a KKK robe would do great to show Trump voters who they caucus with lol.

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While they could be a plant, the fact that they aren't being pushed out of the display is still telling.

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pop
lemmy.ml

The "great" times, half the US fantasize about, but then most of them will argue its always been the greatest country ever.

So yeah, not at all surprising, this runs in the open.

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It's a pretty great country, but not without its problems, as you can see here.

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lemmy.world

SPOILERS FOR Red Dead Redemption 2

There is a proxy of the clan in-game. same outfits, etc. You can stumble across them one night and they're about to light a giant cross on fire...and something goes awry and they light themselves on fire. This is also one of the very very rare instances where you can kill non-gang aligned randos in the game, unprovoked, without a hit to honor.

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I came across this, had fun. Took the Dirty Arty route, started lobbing dynamite at them then ran in with the shotgun. Very entertaining, and even managed to not get Arthur killed in the process.

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about 10 minutes from my house, there is a house that has had a red take america back flag flying for so long it's faded and kinda blown out. their neighbor had 2 small BIDEN HARRIS signs put up about 2 months ago. then the shitty neighbor put up a yard sign for the orange turd and his couch fucker running mate. it wasn't until about 2-3 weeks ago when the HARRIS WALZ signs finally started making their debut, that this guy put up a 3x4 sign with a couple more smaller yard signs.

now there's a life-sized cardboard cutout of "thumbs up" facing out the front door

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These people are genuinely insane. The locals in CT act genuinely surprised when they get any pushback against their Christo fascist asses. There's one guy who has been sitting out on Rt-6 that I make sure to flip off every time I see him and every time he makes a big stink. I know I'm far from the only one doing it though

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feddit.uk

I get the feeling these people would be out yelling at black people in cars even if it weren't for Trump.

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Maybe, but Trump has definitely renewed the racist tendencies in americans. Without him we would be seeing far less of this.

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Blaming minorities and immigrants because for not getting that promotion at his last job...and not the fact he was routinely late and or drunk/hungover

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Drove through New Hampshire a month ago and the road was littered with yard signs for Trump. Funny enough, once you got off the main road they became significantly less common. But someone definitely spent some time and energy absolutely littering I-93 with pro-Trump propaganda.

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Didn’t some guy Sherman make it really clear that it’s legal to kill people dressing and behaving like this?

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Didn't know the Mason-Dixon line crossed through New England

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I forgot about the aquarium!!! It's like right next to that Really cool marketplace

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lemmy.world

What is the person on the right attempting to display in their hand? Is that like a crack pipe or a half eaten sandwich?

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Soulgreply
sh.itjust.works

Pretty sure she's pointing at the car while holding something

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Anticorpreply
lemmy.world

Is that something a donut? Or perhaps a half eaten stick of butter?

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I wasn’t even willing to make a guess on gender. I think “person” was even pretty generous.

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I am so sorry you have to pass close to these repellent creatures in your daily life in your towns and cities. Politics + television and internet have taken something that was already stunted and vulnerable, warped it beyond all reach of reality and sanity, on a mass scale.

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Trump Cultists: maybe if we put it on a blue poster we can trick them into voting for Trump!

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Probably true. I'll bet they yell at people from the "okay" range too if they look like this:

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How far is it from flint mich. to there? Has to be something in the water

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midwest.social

Rhetorical question: why is there even an active KKK presence in what is arguably the most Yankee state in the union?

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lemm.ee

Could just be agent provocateurs.
I went to a giant Trump rally in CT a couple years back and haven't seen anything like that

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RubberDuckreply
lemmy.world

Sure! Or maybe the normalization of this kind of behavior is a big part of the issue. They see no consequences for Trump or themselves.. so let's gooo.

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Reminding people that the KKK officially endorses trump. I think it's hilarious.

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beefpigreply
sh.itjust.works

You are being downvoted because we don’t use the r word anymore. Don’t be one of them.

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lemmy.ca

If you think people in klan regalia are deserving of decency you are the problem.

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beefpigreply
sh.itjust.works

You are disparaging people with mental deficiencies by using the r word. I am defending them, not the klansmen.

Can you read?

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lemmy.ca

Clearly you can't because you have no concept of the meaning of words in the context they are used.

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SmokeyDopereply
lemmy.world

I'm with you, mammothmothman. Nothing wrong with the word retarded. Nothing wrong with being retarded (in the true medical sense of the word). Nothing wrong with calling ignorant uneducated hateful pricks retards as an insult either. People just looove to twist words and complicate language to make themselves feel morally superior. Fuck their hollow virtue signalling and fuck 'decency'

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lemmy.ca

Absolutely nothing wrong with being retarded. Its not a choice, just like being gay isnt a choice or gender disphoria isnt a choice. Racism is a choice and its holding back society therefore it is retarded.

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Jaxreply
sh.itjust.works

I can see where you're both coming from.

My counterpoint:

The Oxford English dictionary has 171,476 words that are currently in use plus 47,156 obsolete words.

Websters Third New Internationl dictionary has 470,000 words.

Idk what to tell you, when more than one person has told you to stop using a word for x reasons - it really isn't that fucking hard to find a new word. Failing to do so, despite having over 170,000 words to choose from, makes you an asshole. Take it or leave it.

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lemmy.ca

Your argument is absurd. Your facts are probably correct yet your logic is flawed. Im ok with being an asshole in the perspective of idiots, it just means idiots are less likely to want to engage with me, sounds like a win.

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Yeah man, you aren't going to get it without insults - you're unfortunately a product of your environment.

The only idiot is you.

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