Mozilla Has Been Suspiciously Silent About Google And Manifest V3
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You answered your own question. It doesn't effect FF.
But, I do agree they should use the downgrade in functionality of V3 as a point for advertising FF.
What good would advertising "Still supporting Manifest V2" do for your average user? They also wouldn't want to openly advertise that "Your ad block still works with us".
Most sane take in this whole thread.
Some of y'all get a little conspiratorial.
That is literally the premise of the article
Don't they get like 90% of their money from Google?
Yes.
that's also probably a factor in why they don't say anything, big moneypants might say something
No, big moneypants is getting sued for monopoly practices, which means Mozilla's search revenue may dry up. I'm guessing they don't want to ruin their chances with a competitor should they need to find another search partner.
sure, that's also probably a factor in why they don't say anything, new big moneypants might say something
Didn't they remove XUL extensions to make their extension interface compatible with inferior chrome web extensions?
I just did a quick online search and it seems like the reason for removing that was that it was way too much work to maintain and stopped them from implementing performance improvements for Firefox. Apparently it was also a lot of work for extension developers, since they had to update their extensions constantly.
That's just what I read tho, I wasn't there when XUL extensions where still a thing.
i wouldn’t say inferior… mozilla extensions were more performant and flexible, web extensions (ie the initial chrome format - now a standard that most browsers use) are easier to develop, and thus there were a lot more of them
Because it doesn't make sense for all Firefox marketing material to be how shit chrome is. Save that bullshit for American president elections
It will be exciting to see Kamala and Trump debate whether Gecko or Blink should be the industry leader.
Kinda off topic, but I find it weird that Kamala is usually referred by first name, and trump by surname.
It's a "brand recognition" kind of thing.
Trump™ Kamala™
They should get married. Then it would be Kamala Trump
Harris can't deny the popularity of Blink. Trump is a die-hard EdgeHTML advocate.
Not saying anything bad about chrome is probably in the contract they have with Google which is most of their income
Nah I doubt, it would be a huge lawsuit if google was found to pay competitors for staying quiet about their flaws
Sure they could sue but that's a lose lose situation even if they won Google would not give them money anymore and they need that to stay in Business
Hold up
American presidents are hating on Chrome? What did I miss?
... because Mozilla already clarified their position on this last year.
TL;DR
No, Mozilla is NOT ditching manifest v2.
Source: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2024/03/13/manifest-v3-manifest-v2-march-2024-update/
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but Mozilla itself doesn’t want to broach the topic.Source: https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/12/02/webextensions-mv3-webmidi-opensearch-pip-updates-and-more-these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-128/
Years ago, Mozilla would explicitly call ad blocking a privacy feature, and proclaim it explicitly.Ahem! https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/ > https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/adblocker/
Cooking up conspiracy theory instead of research is easy, is not it?
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Incorrect, that's actually from 2022 B.C.
Correct, the snap of article from 2018 looks exactly identical to 2024 instance with ZERO modifications. Mozilla finally gave us on Privacy it seems, as no one bothered to update that page since 2018.
Wait a sec, they also haven't updated this article as well since 2020. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browsers/compare/chrome/
/s
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Yes, like publishing a new article every day just to prove their commitment to end-users' privacy.
Incremental updates to articles, hosted literally on home page, with details of newer privacy features is so old school.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification.
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"We really can't rock the boat on this Google money "
Manifest v3 extensions work in Firefox, too. Its just the new thing. Its way easier to build cross-browser extensions with, too. V3 is actually a good thing overall, as its led to a lot of extensions being available for Firefox when the devs might have just targeted chrome. Way more feature parity between browsers with v3.
Chrome dropping support for v2 doesn't merit a response from Firefox because nothing changes for Firefox users and they're not going to drop support. Any one who actually cares (and they should) will move to Firefox on their own, so why waste advertising money on that? Eventually Firefox and any other browsers who want to allow stuff like ublock will probably have a way to do the same tasks in v3 (and the Firefox Dev team has said as much in blog posts for ages), then it'll just be a feature that doesn't work in chrome. V3 just simply doesn't have the API that ublock uses in v2.
There have been discussions for years in the w3c standards group about this whole shitshow and this is one the chrome team have basically refused to budge on despite all the other browser teams. Its honestlu a mirscle they delayed it as long as they have. This was originally supposed to happen at the start of 2023.
Chrome is kinda like a country with a overrule veto vote at the UN when it comes to w3c working groups since they can just do whatever they want anyway, and nothing will change until they no longer have that power. That said, browser feature parity is at an all time high recently and its because all the browser teams are working together better than ever. There are just these hard limits chrome chooses to stick to.
Biggest thing I learned from that article is that over 1/3 of users use an adblocker. I did not know adblockers had become so prevalent amongst normies
Have you visited a website without it, its 10:1 ratio of ads to content
Oh yeah I would never browse the internet unprotected by an adblocker, but knowing that normies are feeling this way now too? That's something else entirely
Mozilla should spent money to advertise(Is this right? I don't know verbs fuck) a flaw in Chrome? It's not like the public cares about it.
The do get most of there funding from Google
There are thousands of user configurable flags/settings in about:config
An option for Manifest V3 has been there for quite a while. It wasn't enabled by default.
In FF Nightly for Android it is enabled by default along with V2.
Why would it not be?
Well of course they are, after all they are slowly becoming one of these malicious companies it tried to fight with.