You have to be mindful of the adapter standard to ensure you’re getting the data transfer speed you want, and from experience same standard usb adapters aren’t the same quality across makes
In that sense, latency totally is the correct usage, but their use in your link isn't anything you'd be using a usb-c to micro-usb adapter for. Latency would only matter if you were trying to mirror image from one device to another. Latency wouldn't effect charge speed or data transfer rates, which is all you be using one of the adapters to do.
Usb C has a default of 5V, 2A. This matches/exceeds the micro USB standards. In order to get a higher voltage, it negotiates up. (Or it's supposed to! China can produce some NASTY exceptions!)
I do have some micro usb devices that won't work with some newer Power Delivery Adapters, but it's the brick part, not the USB C cable since the same cable / adapter will work with a different brick.
Are you talking about the Micro-A plugs and receptacles, Micro-AB receptacles (which accept both Micro-A and Micro-B plugs), Double-Sided Micro USB, Micro-B plugs and receptacles, or 3.0 Micro-B SuperSpeed plugs and receptacles?
I was recently shopping for a Bluetooth speaker for the shower. At some point I realized that one of them used micro USB for power. Confused, I went back and looked at the others. More than half still used micro. Just... no.
And it still is terrible. I went in a recent road trip and at one point didn’t have a charger. It’s a newer iPhone and people don’t know what usb-c is, so I tried asking for an Android charger but got this crap instead
The lack of this basic type of knowledge in a plug people use every single day both astounds and disappoints me. Right down to people asking me if I have a charger for one of the new iPhones.
I know, right? You use these cables EVERY FUCKING DAY. There’s a ton of stuff people need to charge. And with the proliferation of USB-C, you’d think most people would at least know what that one is. But no. Most people have no clue that there’s even a difference between USB-C, -A, micro or a Lightning cable.
And when you ask people what plug they need they’ll tell you ‘oh it’s a Samsung’ or any other brand, like that’s supposed to narrow it down. It gets REALLY fun when someone needs something specific like a USB-C to Lightning or an A to C.
We really have regressed since the 90s. My generation grew up learning about these new cables and plugs, but everyone born since 1995 seems to have no fucking clue.
I feel like the generations that have grown up with smartphones/tablets have a smaller understanding of how they work or the hardware inside. They're just mystery boxes that shoot out videos and games.
I was born in 1982. The very first PC I ever used was a Commodore 64 at school. When we got our first home PC in 1996, we kids had to learn everything: how to install things, how to fix driver or OS issues, how to get software and hardware working. You basically learned how things worked, because you needed to in order to fix them. And things broke frequently.
Back in those days, PC’s and the web were nerd domains. There was a knowledge barrier to entry.
When we had that first PC, my dad never used it. You couldn’t explain him how to use a right mouse button, much less anything else. To this day, he’s never touched an actual PC or laptop.
But you wouldn’t know it if saw you him on his iPad. He can stream things, email, send pictures to people, sell stuff online, talk with people… but he still has ZERO fucking idea how it works. They’ve dumbed everything down so much even a toddler and a chimp can use it. And my dad.
But people who grew up with toddler-proof iPads and phones never had to learn how they worked. They don’t know how to fix a thing if it doesn’t do what they want. I’ve had to help teens with phone and tablet issues, because they lacked the basic skills to diagnose and fix an issue.
I understand why people are now regressing to tech illiteracy - but it’s also frightening to see.
Yep. We're pretty much the same age. I got a hold of a computer earlier than you did, though. It was definitely a different age of knowledge. I was flipping dip switches and upgrading ram to a whopping 4MB. Crazy that we've gone from 30Mhz to well over 3Ghz across 8+ cores.
Yeah like what do you mean I can’t use this cable to charge my VR headset? It’s usb c? Oh but that one is somehow more powerful and the other is weakling with no marking whatsoever? Fuck off
I have one tiny white super powerful usb c cable and all the other are weaklings. Some refuse to transfer files
If I take one of those unmarked losers on a trip just grabbing some random usb c cable I will have a bad time
And where to get new ones? I refuse to pay for a forking cable you know
Those things are basic human rights. The right to get usb cable for free. I have hundreds of them and if anything I want to exchange
Chargers same, if I see a charger on the street or anywhere I am looting that forking thing cause they don’t include these things anymore and put it into my drawer full of these things
I have one very nice USB C made from the softest silicon rubber. It feels premium, never kinks and it is tough like nylon rope. It has max specs for USB C for power delivery and data transfer and it cost me $30.
All the others are freebies that came with various devices and are all disposable compared to my "one true cord" which is the only one to enjoy being apart of my personal arsenal of accoutrements
I have an edc flashlight that I absolutely love, and it has a damned magnetic charger (way better type than the pogo pins) instead of a usb-c. Sure, it keeps it waterproof easier, but it sucks to have to use a proprietary plug that's useless for anything else and have to worry about losing it or not having it.
I'd buy the same light again, though. Nothing else as good out there.
Lol. I guess I should have just mentioned to begin with. Here's the link
It's an Olight Arkfeld Pro. Flat, nice clip, forever warranty (that I've used, once) nice bright green laser, and a bright UV light. The laser is just fun, but the UV light comes in handy for a lot of shade tree auto work I do and for curing UV reactive glues I use for phone repairs and windshield chip repairs, so it's a great perk for myself to have. I got it on sale for like $70 bucks.
Microusb has one feature over USBC. You can pull power from the pins without needing to solder a tiny 5kohm resistor to cc1 to tell the cable you want 5 volts.
As an iPhone person, I thought I was late to the party. However now I’m usb-c for my phone and my watch and my tablet and my e-reader
… but usb outlets only have one usb-c port, laptops only have one or two. Some Chargers might have multiple usb-c but they’re all dodvial purpose with different power rather than equal to charge all devices. Apparently at least some Android phones are micro usb. I was promised the rest of the world already moved on, but where are they?
I went through probably 8 micro USB cables on my previous 2 phones over like a 6 year period. Since I got my current phone in 2016 I'm on my second USB c cable.
Yea with the rate I was going through cables I was always really concerned about that. I have one micro USB device left and I'm really paranoid about not using it when it's plugged in. That one has lasted a long time because it's just a tablet I use as an ereader but that strategy would never work with my phone.
As a home recording absolute noob, I have a box full of proprietary cables and audio interfaces that I pretend doesn’t exist quietly mocking me in the corner.
USB-A just feels like a more solid connection. I've never had a USB-A connector not work because of a miniscule amount of dust buildup in a port, nor have I accidently unplugged something.
You reminded me to fit some tape in my phone's MicroUSB port, so the cable actually sits in somewhat properly. edit: I fucked it up, but it's still better.
The only time i was okay with micro USBs are on Oppo phones, which developed a Super VooC charging protocol on micro-usbs that was so crazy fast that plugging in the micro-usb correctly was worth it.
oppos currently at 90w charging speed, having moved onto usb-c
They've been ahead of the curve with charging for years now.
I've used more usb gadgets than most people, as I deal with electronics a lot, but I never had a single problem with micro usb. Not sure why people hate it so much.
Well I'm not sure it takes an expert to master a plug.
But I'd understand the hate if it was universal (pun maybe intended), but everyone that hates micro-usb seems to adore usb-c, while I feel like it's potentially much more fragile. When handling usb-c I always use a lot more delicate care than I ever did with micro-usb. Mostly because even though I'm pretty good at soldering very tiny things, I'm not confident I could replace most usb-c receptacles without messing it up.
Usb-C is way more robust. It's thicker, stronger, goes in both ways, has no moving parts. Micro USB is thin, flimsy, has stupid spring tabs that weaken pretty quickly and result in a cord that just falls out of your device when you pick it up while it's plugged in. Fuck micro USB.
my reaction when when
RIP in peace
PIN number
..for the ATM machine.
Does it have an LCD display?
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Preferably at 10 AM in the morning
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SMH my head
I took one look at that cable after I had to grab one for an rpi and was like what the hell am I supposed to do with this?!
How to make the transition relatively painlessly:
just be mindful of latency, so maybe you want to try a few
These are a passive component
You have to be mindful of the adapter standard to ensure you’re getting the data transfer speed you want, and from experience same standard usb adapters aren’t the same quality across makes
https://glidedigital.com/will-a-usb-c-to-usb-a-adapter-slow-down-my-data-transfer-speeds
These are just glorified wires, there's no possibility of latency. There's a possibility of a loose connection, but not of latency.
I do not think this word means what you think it does.
I am using it how these guys are https://www.anker.com/blogs/hubs-and-docks/do-usb-hubs-add-latency
What’s a better word? Edit delay makes sense
In that sense, latency totally is the correct usage, but their use in your link isn't anything you'd be using a usb-c to micro-usb adapter for. Latency would only matter if you were trying to mirror image from one device to another. Latency wouldn't effect charge speed or data transfer rates, which is all you be using one of the adapters to do.
Should the C to micro cables always work for charging?
Think I bought a bunk one… I never cheap out on cables anymore, of course the one time in YEARS that I do…
Usb C has a default of 5V, 2A. This matches/exceeds the micro USB standards. In order to get a higher voltage, it negotiates up. (Or it's supposed to! China can produce some NASTY exceptions!)
Yeah, I think so...
I do have some micro usb devices that won't work with some newer Power Delivery Adapters, but it's the brick part, not the USB C cable since the same cable / adapter will work with a different brick.
You guys have Micro!?
I'm still running stuff with Mini...
As a 51 year old guy with 51 year old eyes, I'd rather mini that micro. Mini isn't subtle.
Mini is much better. Micro is fragile and shitty, won't hold in after a while.
An the size difference doesn't even matter much...
Anyone else still use type B?
Lots of musical gear uses USB B. My understanding is that the connector is more physically robust for on stage applications.
Yep, that why I still keep 'em around.
Yeah like every printer I have uses it
Had to use it for a thermocouple DAQ the other day. Only ever see them on some printers otherwise.
I got my wife a MIDI keyboard a couple years ago that used B. Ended up getting a B to C cable for it so it can plug into her laptop.
Dude yes it's a chonk on my midi keyboard but I love it. Satisfying.
I have a camera that has a type b input.
Do printers still use them?
Me over here with my parallel ports
Honestly mini was fine. But it wasn't thin enough for some phones.
I legit still use a couple things that take a mini.
Are you talking about the Micro-A plugs and receptacles, Micro-AB receptacles (which accept both Micro-A and Micro-B plugs), Double-Sided Micro USB, Micro-B plugs and receptacles, or 3.0 Micro-B SuperSpeed plugs and receptacles?
Yes.
Problem: There are 14 Competing micro-USB standards.
Ridiculous! We should develop one stand that covers everyone use cases!
I was recently shopping for a Bluetooth speaker for the shower. At some point I realized that one of them used micro USB for power. Confused, I went back and looked at the others. More than half still used micro. Just... no.
And it still is terrible. I went in a recent road trip and at one point didn’t have a charger. It’s a newer iPhone and people don’t know what usb-c is, so I tried asking for an Android charger but got this crap instead
The lack of this basic type of knowledge in a plug people use every single day both astounds and disappoints me. Right down to people asking me if I have a charger for one of the new iPhones.
I know, right? You use these cables EVERY FUCKING DAY. There’s a ton of stuff people need to charge. And with the proliferation of USB-C, you’d think most people would at least know what that one is. But no. Most people have no clue that there’s even a difference between USB-C, -A, micro or a Lightning cable.
And when you ask people what plug they need they’ll tell you ‘oh it’s a Samsung’ or any other brand, like that’s supposed to narrow it down. It gets REALLY fun when someone needs something specific like a USB-C to Lightning or an A to C.
We really have regressed since the 90s. My generation grew up learning about these new cables and plugs, but everyone born since 1995 seems to have no fucking clue.
I feel like the generations that have grown up with smartphones/tablets have a smaller understanding of how they work or the hardware inside. They're just mystery boxes that shoot out videos and games.
It really is the proverbial double edged sword.
I was born in 1982. The very first PC I ever used was a Commodore 64 at school. When we got our first home PC in 1996, we kids had to learn everything: how to install things, how to fix driver or OS issues, how to get software and hardware working. You basically learned how things worked, because you needed to in order to fix them. And things broke frequently.
Back in those days, PC’s and the web were nerd domains. There was a knowledge barrier to entry.
When we had that first PC, my dad never used it. You couldn’t explain him how to use a right mouse button, much less anything else. To this day, he’s never touched an actual PC or laptop.
But you wouldn’t know it if saw you him on his iPad. He can stream things, email, send pictures to people, sell stuff online, talk with people… but he still has ZERO fucking idea how it works. They’ve dumbed everything down so much even a toddler and a chimp can use it. And my dad.
But people who grew up with toddler-proof iPads and phones never had to learn how they worked. They don’t know how to fix a thing if it doesn’t do what they want. I’ve had to help teens with phone and tablet issues, because they lacked the basic skills to diagnose and fix an issue.
I understand why people are now regressing to tech illiteracy - but it’s also frightening to see.
Yep. We're pretty much the same age. I got a hold of a computer earlier than you did, though. It was definitely a different age of knowledge. I was flipping dip switches and upgrading ram to a whopping 4MB. Crazy that we've gone from 30Mhz to well over 3Ghz across 8+ cores.
yea. great. now we have a plug that looks the same but has a million different kinds of standards. hooray
Yeah like what do you mean I can’t use this cable to charge my VR headset? It’s usb c? Oh but that one is somehow more powerful and the other is weakling with no marking whatsoever? Fuck off
I have one tiny white super powerful usb c cable and all the other are weaklings. Some refuse to transfer files
If I take one of those unmarked losers on a trip just grabbing some random usb c cable I will have a bad time
Yeet all the weak ones in the garbage
Being unable to throw away old USB cords is my weakness.
I used to keep a long one in my car, and used it to walk my dog if I happened to forget his leash. Upcycling!
And where to get new ones? I refuse to pay for a forking cable you know
Those things are basic human rights. The right to get usb cable for free. I have hundreds of them and if anything I want to exchange
Chargers same, if I see a charger on the street or anywhere I am looting that forking thing cause they don’t include these things anymore and put it into my drawer full of these things
There shall be one cable to rule them all. I am the lord of the cables.
It didn't have to be this way
I have one very nice USB C made from the softest silicon rubber. It feels premium, never kinks and it is tough like nylon rope. It has max specs for USB C for power delivery and data transfer and it cost me $30.
All the others are freebies that came with various devices and are all disposable compared to my "one true cord" which is the only one to enjoy being apart of my personal arsenal of accoutrements
nice. and nice username
I would gladly take microusb over those magnetic pogo pins that they put on smartwatches and tablet keyboards, though.
I have an edc flashlight that I absolutely love, and it has a damned magnetic charger (way better type than the pogo pins) instead of a usb-c. Sure, it keeps it waterproof easier, but it sucks to have to use a proprietary plug that's useless for anything else and have to worry about losing it or not having it.
I'd buy the same light again, though. Nothing else as good out there.
I'd like to know the flashlight in question as a fellow enthusiast, even though the proprietary plug is a deal breaker for me.
Lol. I guess I should have just mentioned to begin with. Here's the link
It's an Olight Arkfeld Pro. Flat, nice clip, forever warranty (that I've used, once) nice bright green laser, and a bright UV light. The laser is just fun, but the UV light comes in handy for a lot of shade tree auto work I do and for curing UV reactive glues I use for phone repairs and windshield chip repairs, so it's a great perk for myself to have. I got it on sale for like $70 bucks.
Magnetic pogo pins?
Look at a Garmin watch’s charging setup.
Really the only complaint I think is valid about them.
My Garmin watch is the only reason why I'm owning a wireless charging pad. I just don't want to use that cable...
What in the world? That is an abomination.
Like the ones on your mom’s vibrator.
thank god I don't. everything I buy I make sure its USBC now
I have no reason to replace my current Kindle model, so I'm still using the one with a micro USB port
well of course don't replace stuff you already have if its not broken
My dab rig is microusb, makes me cry any time I get to a hotel and forget to bring the charger for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-vFtiDYiIw&t=1
Microusb has one feature over USBC. You can pull power from the pins without needing to solder a tiny 5kohm resistor to cc1 to tell the cable you want 5 volts.
You can buy connectors with a tiny PCB that already has it on.
This is my life rn. I beg for universal USB C.
As an iPhone person, I thought I was late to the party. However now I’m usb-c for my phone and my watch and my tablet and my e-reader
… but usb outlets only have one usb-c port, laptops only have one or two. Some Chargers might have multiple usb-c but they’re all dodvial purpose with different power rather than equal to charge all devices. Apparently at least some Android phones are micro usb. I was promised the rest of the world already moved on, but where are they?
USB-C MOD ALL THE THINGS!
I have never upvoted something so hard.
I’m looking at you, RaspberryPi Pico2…
That's not so bad. I have a few Arduinos with the square USB type B ports...
May I have the meme format? 😄
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Fuck those things man
I went through probably 8 micro USB cables on my previous 2 phones over like a 6 year period. Since I got my current phone in 2016 I'm on my second USB c cable.
I had the opposite problem. Had to get phones with wireless charging for years because the fucking ports kept dying
Yea with the rate I was going through cables I was always really concerned about that. I have one micro USB device left and I'm really paranoid about not using it when it's plugged in. That one has lasted a long time because it's just a tablet I use as an ereader but that strategy would never work with my phone.
USB-A dude. There’s still things that ambush me with a USB-A and I immediately return it. Micro-USB too but nothing as foul as USB-A.
*cries in music production gear*
Why in the fuck are they still selling audio interfaces with USB-A in 2024?!?
Printers too!
Maybe because they're more resilient? I always worry about the micro USB on my Keystep
As a home recording absolute noob, I have a box full of proprietary cables and audio interfaces that I pretend doesn’t exist quietly mocking me in the corner.
The 17,000 standards of MIDI.
USB-A just feels like a more solid connection. I've never had a USB-A connector not work because of a miniscule amount of dust buildup in a port, nor have I accidently unplugged something.
At least you knew which way it went in.
The wrong way. *flip* The wrong way. *flip* The right way.
Nah you're thinking of USB A or B. The USB micros were so garbage but you could tell by touch or sight which way was correct.
You reminded me to fit some tape in my phone's MicroUSB port, so the cable actually sits in somewhat properly. edit: I fucked it up, but it's still better.
It's fucking hilarious to me that the USB consortium ever allowed Universal Serial Bus cables to be made without the serial part (data transfer)
USB-C anything requires a minimum of 2.0 which is how Micro should have always been.
‘MRW’ <- What’s that stand for?
Edit: this has been handled appropriately in the thread…
nbd:
MFW idk MRW:
TLA.
The only time i was okay with micro USBs are on Oppo phones, which developed a Super VooC charging protocol on micro-usbs that was so crazy fast that plugging in the micro-usb correctly was worth it.
oppos currently at 90w charging speed, having moved onto usb-c
They've been ahead of the curve with charging for years now.
What?
haha thanks, fixed, I'm assuming i tried to swype micro-usb or something.
USB-C supports 240W charging. You don't need proprietary charging standards anymore, USB-PD does everything you want
which phones support 240w charging? the new iphones and pixels don't.
are you talking strictly about hardware capability?
Hate with a passion
USB C is better, yes, but I've never had a Micro USB fail at the connector.
I've had them get stuck or constantly disconnect
... How? I've had those prongs fail on almost every cord I own.
You got lucky then. I have.
really ??
Aye ive had several fail. Ill admit im a bit rough on them but when I started to use USB-C devices the failures went down dramatically
I've used more usb gadgets than most people, as I deal with electronics a lot, but I never had a single problem with micro usb. Not sure why people hate it so much.
Microusb users: "I'm sorry, there was a slight breeze in my house and now my charger doesn't work."
So you're a practiced expert and cannot understand how those who are not practiced experts can have trouble?
Well I'm not sure it takes an expert to master a plug.
But I'd understand the hate if it was universal (pun maybe intended), but everyone that hates micro-usb seems to adore usb-c, while I feel like it's potentially much more fragile. When handling usb-c I always use a lot more delicate care than I ever did with micro-usb. Mostly because even though I'm pretty good at soldering very tiny things, I'm not confident I could replace most usb-c receptacles without messing it up.
Micro-usb enters the chat.
Usb-C is way more robust. It's thicker, stronger, goes in both ways, has no moving parts. Micro USB is thin, flimsy, has stupid spring tabs that weaken pretty quickly and result in a cord that just falls out of your device when you pick it up while it's plugged in. Fuck micro USB.