Democrats made 'weird' an effective weapon, and then Republicans turned it on LGBTQ people
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It’s a weird take by NBC News.
Republicans didn’t “turn it on LGBTQ people”, but that’s what NBC is trying to do through their weird take and dissemination; while trying to take the heat off their masters.
DogPeePoo eviscerates NBC by turning their "weird" insult against them
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That's why it is so perfect. The left embrace weird, the right are repulsed by it
Pretty sure the only thing embracing Vance are couches.
And I’m pretty sure that’s non-consensual.
Non-consectional. Poor things
I've seen "Keep Austin Weird" bumper stickers in Texas all my life. Maybe that's why they're so insulted by it.
LGBTQs don't mind being called weird though. Normal is the insult. To be normal is to be boring. Normal people don't make history.
Only people who strive to be normal would find weird insulting.
As other commenter said, if you don't care being called weird? You are good weird, of you care you are bad weird.
Sounds good in theory but I'm scared of the day when Conservatives try to embrace this methodology and further normalize all their incredibly deranged dog-whistles into everyday speech
Nice try NBC News. Ronna Romney McDaniel tell you to run that one?
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That is their job, yeah.
Uhhh...that's the lamest comeback ever The word "queer" literally means "weird".
Republicans: "LGBTQ people are weird!"
LGBTQ people: "Thanks."
Pretty much this.
I love being weird
Yep Dems are good weird. Gop is "marrys kids" weird
Also "make sure everything kids do is 'correct' based on their genitals" weird
The original connotation was fun too. Queer was typically used to refer to the uncanny, inscrutable, and arcane. A non-zero chance of danger was implied, since you could not predict what you did not understand. It’s a nice reminder that understanding dispels fear.
I mean, did you forget that the Democrats started it? They launched a campaign to call Republicans weird in a derisive and condescending way. Democrats used it as an attack, as a negative trait, as something gross and repulsive. It doesn't make sense to me, and I still have no idea what they were trying to accomplish with this strategy. Did they forget that a good part of their base takes pride in being weird?
Difference between fun weird and fucks a couch weird. Ironically jd is an example of the exact slippery slope argument used by the bad weird type to fight gay marriage originally.
Well the couch thing is not real of course, but also not sure what you mean about the slippery slope. I guess maybe the bad weird thing kind of makes sense though, but that's open to interpretation and pretty relative to what you consider normal.
I've never seen proof he didn't fuck a couch, any more than I've seen proof Glenn Beck didn't rape and murder a young girl in 1990 (look it up if you don't know what I'm referring to, is on the wiki).
Re slippery slope, conservatives love them: for trans rights it's "I identify as an attack helicopter", 20 years ago it was "what if people want to marry their pets". No real difference in the sociopathy of those offering up the suggestion, just a new front line.
I do agree there's a line: there's on one part the paradox of acceptance or whatever it's called which is explicit. In this case we are also saying it's weird to hold beliefs that are so out of touch with reality or the people they impact. It's weird to care what restroom people use, especially for those of us in states that have removed the victorian stigma on all-gender shitters. It's weird to care what sports other people play. It's weird to make up lies about Olympic athletes in order to push your agenda of making life worse for a 12 year old in Virginia. It's all weird.
Path to fascism and handmaid's tale are also slippery slopes though. I don't think the right has a monopoly on that kind of rhetoric. The rest of that is kind of weird, though understandably can be hard to get used to for people who struggle with change. But I'm not sure I agree about sports. I think that's a complicated topic and feel bad for women who want to be competitive in their own space. The Olympics thing is even more complicated than the usual transgender debate, but ultimately women's sports is going to have to decide how exclusionary they are going to be. They already exclude men, so they will have to determine who else to exclude in order to protect their competition. Maybe the answer is to be less exclusive, but anyway that's why this is a hard topic.
You can jump to extremist rhetoric and zero sum game thinking, but I don't think it helps anything. It's no better than what the worst of them are doing.
Extremist rhetoric?
You're talking about the bomb threats on schools and the crowds baying for blood at Trump rallies, right?
I'm talking about things like pointing to extreme views and radicals on the other side as though they are examples of the norm, intentionally propagating lies, bad faith arguments etc. The sort of thing that is only about your team winning and the other team losing. Discussing ideas is much more interesting than circle jerking about how evil such and such is or intentionally spreading misinformation because you know it helps your team.
And yes, your examples would be the same type of thing, though I'd have to take your word for it that they happened that way.
It's effective precisely because it bothers conservatives while being 100% fine for most liberals. It's not a contradiction, because the two groups react differently, and the people using the word know that.
How about casting your opponent as evil?
Matt Walsh is evil and stupid.
He’s definitely not gay though, because he has a full beard
Oh, he's married?
Perhaps his wife has a, uh, secret.
What secret could his wife have that would make him gay?
A dangly one
Incompetent/convicted felon/authoritarian, too, but that word/phrase is too long to go viral because social media addicts stop listening halfway through.
because both sides can do that effectively, they're looking for an edge
Lmao, weird is a downgrade from how they usually talk about us.
How to respond to that? I'm not LGBT but I had one person saying this also saying there is evidence to prove it (of course without providing sources). Is there any way to deal with it?
Just call the person saying it a pedo.
Basically the person I talked to told me that all gays are pedos and there is tons of evidence for it (without providing any).
Was not sure what to respond with, because without evidence there's not much to debunk.
Yeah there's no way they'll get the reaction dopamine blast they tweek for and have to go back to their regular bigotry
You mean to tell me LGBT individuals are non conformists?! Get the fuck out of here /s
"What are we gonna do guys? People think its weird for us to fixate on children's genitals, and obsess over our daughters virginity while secretly indulging in wife swapping".
"Let's hate gay people! That always cheers us up!"
The obsession with LGBTQ only demonstrates just how fucking weird the Republicans actually are.
So obsessed that the RNC being in town shut down Grindr in Milwaukee.
Uh huh. I can own being weird. Can you own being a fascist? Oh you can? Well I can't say I'm surprised.
who cares, i am weird. but trump is weirder.
Good weird -> takes weird as a compliment
Bad weird -> takes weird as an insult
Also,
Good weird = fun to be around
Bad weird = scary to be around
Different weird. Republicans are weird like Epstein or your creepy uncle your parents don’t let you be alone with. LGBTQ people can be weird like anyone else can be. It’s not the same
As a queer sideshow ("freakshow") performer, I absolutely love and embrace my weirdness. Bring it and I'll send it back threefold.
There's safe and fun weird, and there's creepy and dangerous weird.
Guess which one is which?
If our use of weird keeps them out of office we can definitely address that.
Is that what they were doing because I figured that they would follow that asshole using slurs in her ads.
Maybe she's the exception (in public.)
Omg who could have seen that coming (sarcasm)
Could be good news for Hanson royalties?
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