Definitely next to Linux guy. I've been working on Linux since very early days, so I don't talk about it because at this point it is as core to my life as knowing how to brush teeth. Nothing would entertain me more than to spend a flight giving that guy the ole "ummmm...actually".
Well this is lemmy, nearly everyone is the Linux guy. Personally I would definitely sit next to the Linux guy because I would love to nerd out with someone else about Linux for 10 hours.
I'll sit next to 1, and I'll spend the entire flight talking to him about my .NET setup on Windows and how to date Visual Studio is still the best IDE available for any mainstream programming language.
I'd consider vscode to still be a text editor, although I do really like using it for TypeScript. For me, VS still takes the crown because it's just so good at debugging and evaluating C#. It's hard for anyone to compete since Microsoft largely owns (yes, I know the .NET Foundation is responsible for .NET) the whole ecosystem.
Vanilla vscode is not an IDE, true. But that's a moot point as you can load that shit up with a bajillion extensions and turn it into what's basically a proper IDE.
It has seamless integration with the language and framework, and to date (outside of TypeScript support in vscode) I'm yet to use anything that comes close to the level of control in debugging. IntelliJ shits the bed at even basic Gradle builds.
I was so excited for Rider, especially since I do like some of the features of other JetBrains IDE's, but I've found it just too unreliable when it comes to build support, and despite years of dominance in tooling from the ReSharper days VS intellisense is just much nicer. It's very close though, and IMO Rider is nicer to use for C# than IntelliJ or PyCharm are for their respective languages.
Totally next to the linux guy. In fact, I was in such a situation on the train before. I was just there working and the person sitting next to me noticed I had a linux desktop (in fact, GNU/Linux, btw). They were curious and vaguely interested in switching to linux for a while, so we had a nice conversation about this.
I would not bring this up myself, but it's cool that this happens sometimes (i.e., once in a few decades of life so far)
Totally next to the linux guy. In fact, what you're refering to as Linux is GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
Thank you. In that sense I find OP's question misleading: Option 1 should be "guy who really likes to talk about the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project"
This is the good interaction, I had the bad version:
Long ago in highschool I was interested in Linux but was thrown off it by the "Tech" group of kids who, even though we went to the same nerdy Star Trek club, told me I would be able to understand it.
I get that hurt people, hurt others; but duck those guys from 20 years in the future.
I'm getting back into interest for Linux cause I just got a Steam Deck and I'm curious as to what else I can do with a full desktop.
Good luck! The way I see it: Linux has its issues, but so do Windows and Mac OS (and others). The cool thing with Linux though is that for many problems you can create/find some form of error logs, google them, and someone online will help you. In most cases they have solved that problem already.
Windows problems often feel like black magic: Something doesn't work, but all you can do is knock on your laptop, turn it off and on again, and pray. Unless you're lucky and find a shady program online that you can download and install, hoping the programmers mean well.
With Mac OS, you can often solve problems by throwing money at them. But sometimes that doesn't work and then you can't do anything about them and just have to accept the one way to use your computer correctly.
So in that sense I don't think Linux is "harder". There are problems of course, but you learn to think differently about them and are often able to solve them.
Logically speaking, I would sit with the wolf pack. Airline seatbelts are not made for wolves and I fully believe they would not be held by such paltry restraints. This leads me to the conclusion that my demise is not only certain, but an inevitability. With this in mind I would much rather be the first victim, for my death will be quicker while they are hungrier, and I shall save myself the mental trauma of seeing them devour the poor linux user before I reach my untimely end.
Depends if the guy has social skills. There's someone who recently joined at my work who seems to have some social development issues. He's perfectly intelligent, but has no apparent filter and discusses topics that aren't appropriate to discuss with people you don't really know (about his feelings in awkward ways). If it was someone like that, I'll take the wolves. If it's someone who can sense when I want to take a break, Linux guy and I probably have some common interests.
That's barely enough time to talk about best editor. Then there's best DE, best distro, best shell, Wayland vs X, systemd, whether sudo needs to be replaced, Nvidia vs AMD etc.
What distro, terminal emulator, shell, and text editor does this person like? We might have stuff to talk about. If the answers to any of the above are Fedora, XTerm, Bash, or Pico then we have nothing to talk about and I'll take the wolves
I guess I'm not that guy. I use arch Linux (had to say it for the memes)but I like coding, drawing, learning new languages, photography, and I'm thinking about picking up calligraphy someday.
I had never installed Linux before. Back in 2006 my old college roommate told me that he was reading about it. I used Solaris Spark workstations back in college, but never ran Linux before. My other roommate ran Slackware which looked cool but I never looked into it. Anyway I had recently built a custom PC and I was trying to avoid paying the windows tax, and was growing tired of having to reinstall the cracked version I was using of "corporate windows xp" so I pulled up the installation guide, printed it out, and proceeded to install the stage 1 tarball.
It definitely was a trial by fire. I learned a tremendous amount, and I don't regret any of it.
I even was playing WoW under Cedega.
I did eventually pick up a copy of Windows XP to run in parallels for Linux, and unfortunately, had to give it up for Windows XP as the main os due to Blizzard banning people who were playing Linux at the time.
I miss it sometimes, but I don't have the free time to properly maintain an install of Gentoo.
I usually run Linux Mint on my VMs and test bench hardware however because it just works.
I ran Arch briefly but my conclusion was that if I wanted Ck and bl torture, I would just main Gentoo again.
Arch isn't that bad, it's a lot of what you have to do in Gentoo. Infact Gentoo is more manual and hands on than arch with a lot more room for error. Arch has a lot of systems service made specifically to make install and maintenance easier.
I don't know how long ago it was when you tried it but I'd give it another shot, it might surprise you! There's a lot arch does to help you that most people don't even realize.
I ran it about 5 years ago. A friend had trouble getting the Nvidia closed source drivers installed so I spun up an install to get it done. I was able to figure it out. There was an error message that either she didn't spot or maybe didn't find a resolution too.
I do like Gentoo primarily because I am a troubleshooter at heart, I just don't always have the time to deal with a broken system anymore.
I do get tempted to run it on bare metal from time to time. The last time I tried to install it in VirtualBox, it didn't work out unfortunately.
Yeah, virtual box doesn't work all that well from my experience. If you're on windows I'd definitely recommend checking out VMware. VMware even has support for windows 95 and stuff.
It's been about five years but I've managed to install arch just fine on virtual box (in macos) but VMware is just a more robust polished experience and it has a free version on windows.
Plot twist: The right side is actually just Linux furries having Vim vs Emacs and X11 vs Wayland debate/fight.
And systemd vs other init systems, FOSS vs open source, GNU or not, Pipewire and PulseAudio, Windows...
What is pipewire? Shouldn't this be alsa vs pulseaudio?
Sir, it's 2024, not 2006.
Pipewire is a more modern replacement for pulseaudio.
I have never heard of alsa. Pipewire is supposed to be the better pulseaudio is it not?
Alsa is the very base of the Linux audio system. Pipewire and pulseaudio run on top of it. Back before pulseaudio it was directly used by software
ah got it
People are fighting over Wayland vs X11? I thought X11 wasn't dropped specifically for compatibility?
Plot twist: the "wolves" are just furries going to a major infosec conference, and will also talk endlessly about Linux
And about how they penetrated disney so hard with their hairy giant cocks, lol
Do you realize you could simply not type a comment about hairy giant cocks?
Yes
Definitely next to Linux guy. I've been working on Linux since very early days, so I don't talk about it because at this point it is as core to my life as knowing how to brush teeth. Nothing would entertain me more than to spend a flight giving that guy the ole "ummmm...actually".
No, you're the Linux guy this image macro is about.
Oh, I'll bore you to death talking about stuff, just not Linux.
I would love to sit next to you gaining Linux knowledge!
Could you give us your opinions on what you would change about bash if you could go back in time and just decide how it was?
Me, avoiding that hornets nest.
Add a 30-second delay after every command to make it harder for hackers
You convinced me; “Pack of wolves, please?”
Emacs or vi?
nano
Heathen!
Obviously vi.
I'll sit beside him, put in my IEMs so I can't hear him and reimage my steam deck with windows 11 just to make him squirm.
Oh, hi Satan.
So You Have Chosen Death
Wait, you carry Win11 installation media with you? Who let you out of Arkham Asylum?
This might be one of the few scenarios where the wolves feel bad for him and eat you anyway.
The wolves are the ones that gave me the windows installation media.
Amos was goated
Seat 2. The guy in seat 1 already uses Linux, so someone ought to tell the wolves.
Well this is lemmy, nearly everyone is the Linux guy. Personally I would definitely sit next to the Linux guy because I would love to nerd out with someone else about Linux for 10 hours.
There’s an easy way to solve the hungry wolf problem. Which also solves the other.
Feed the Linux bros to the wolves.
*I use BSD, btw.
I thought it would've been for you and the Linux guy to grab the people in first class to feed to the wolves...
We tried that first. Wolves were still hungry.
You say that, but what if they use Manjaro.
Then they won't be able to talk because their SSL cert has expired
Oh, when I entered the plane side 1 was still empty
Hear me out.
The Wolves got through the airport checkpoints without any issues.
And what do you imply?
It was an argument in favor of the wolves. In fact, there is no implication at all, it was very blatant.
I'll sit next to 1, and I'll spend the entire flight talking to him about my .NET setup on Windows and how to date Visual Studio is still the best IDE available for any mainstream programming language.
The good old lying approach, I see.
Name an IDE that is better.
i somehow feel this might be sort of a vim-vim situation 😁
Aside from being boomer tech, I'd say that both are text editors.
Have you heard of our lord and saviour, Delphi?
I haven't. What's that and does it come close to neovim?
I think it's a different beast entirely.
The open source alternative to Delphi is Lazarus if you're that way inclined.
A lot of Delphi was the work of Anders Hejlsberg, who you might remember from other little known languages such as C# and Typescript.
Oh man. I miss Delphi days.
I wish they'd open source it.
I don't think anything else comes close for just dropping a bunch of shit on a form and running it.
There is some that are faster and probably lighter and more efficient. But better, no. VSCode takes the cake. I use VSCodium.
VS is not VSCode, not even comparable
You say that as if somebody was disputing that.
I'm more partial to Zed now. I like to type in high FPS.
I'd consider vscode to still be a text editor, although I do really like using it for TypeScript. For me, VS still takes the crown because it's just so good at debugging and evaluating C#. It's hard for anyone to compete since Microsoft largely owns (yes, I know the .NET Foundation is responsible for .NET) the whole ecosystem.
VS Code is a code editor, not an IDE.
The distinction ceased to be meaningful the minute language servers got introduced.
True. If I were to count text editors then vscode would probably be the winner. TypeScript support in vscode is just beautiful.
Vanilla vscode is not an IDE, true. But that's a moot point as you can load that shit up with a bajillion extensions and turn it into what's basically a proper IDE.
Any of the JetBrains suite.
IntelliJ is a blight on humanity.
Says person who thinks Visual studio is the best IDE
It has seamless integration with the language and framework, and to date (outside of TypeScript support in vscode) I'm yet to use anything that comes close to the level of control in debugging. IntelliJ shits the bed at even basic Gradle builds.
Someone hasn't used eclipse, I see
Eclipse is the Trump to IntelliJ's Hillary.
Even for dotnet, I prefer rider
I was so excited for Rider, especially since I do like some of the features of other JetBrains IDE's, but I've found it just too unreliable when it comes to build support, and despite years of dominance in tooling from the ReSharper days VS intellisense is just much nicer. It's very close though, and IMO Rider is nicer to use for C# than IntelliJ or PyCharm are for their respective languages.
Suprised nobody mentioned Neovim yet
Depends what distro he runs
He runs arch btw
I’ll ride on the wing
i recommend the wheel, its way more fun
Ill ride cargo.
*I use Rust btw
If you need me I'll be sky diving Minus the parachute.
My homies use gentoo
I feel like that has been superseded by Nix these days. Arch is now boring stable tech.
what do the wolves smell like?
Trick question, it doesn't matter since the plane reeks of kerosene with a faint hint of vomit.
Totally next to the linux guy. In fact, I was in such a situation on the train before. I was just there working and the person sitting next to me noticed I had a linux desktop (in fact, GNU/Linux, btw). They were curious and vaguely interested in switching to linux for a while, so we had a nice conversation about this.
I would not bring this up myself, but it's cool that this happens sometimes (i.e., once in a few decades of life so far)
Totally next to the linux guy. In fact, what you're refering to as Linux is GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
Thank you. In that sense I find OP's question misleading: Option 1 should be "guy who really likes to talk about the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project"
I bet I could convert a hundred people to Linux.
How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
This is the good interaction, I had the bad version:
Long ago in highschool I was interested in Linux but was thrown off it by the "Tech" group of kids who, even though we went to the same nerdy Star Trek club, told me I would be able to understand it.
I get that hurt people, hurt others; but duck those guys from 20 years in the future.
I'm getting back into interest for Linux cause I just got a Steam Deck and I'm curious as to what else I can do with a full desktop.
Good luck! The way I see it: Linux has its issues, but so do Windows and Mac OS (and others). The cool thing with Linux though is that for many problems you can create/find some form of error logs, google them, and someone online will help you. In most cases they have solved that problem already.
Windows problems often feel like black magic: Something doesn't work, but all you can do is knock on your laptop, turn it off and on again, and pray. Unless you're lucky and find a shady program online that you can download and install, hoping the programmers mean well.
With Mac OS, you can often solve problems by throwing money at them. But sometimes that doesn't work and then you can't do anything about them and just have to accept the one way to use your computer correctly.
So in that sense I don't think Linux is "harder". There are problems of course, but you learn to think differently about them and are often able to solve them.
My thoughts exactly, and thanks for such a nice reply
I'M GONNA PET THE PUPPIES :D
and feed them ._.
Can I choose the bear?
The bear uses Arch, BTW.
You need vodka
Logically speaking, I would sit with the wolf pack. Airline seatbelts are not made for wolves and I fully believe they would not be held by such paltry restraints. This leads me to the conclusion that my demise is not only certain, but an inevitability. With this in mind I would much rather be the first victim, for my death will be quicker while they are hungrier, and I shall save myself the mental trauma of seeing them devour the poor linux user before I reach my untimely end.
Umm, akshually, there would be a number of options to try first, depending on the circumstances:
Ask the guy to hold down the wolves while I teach them how to install Debian
Linux guy. My time here at Lemmy has acclimated me to his kind.
Can't answer, as I am the guy on the left (plus 10 years and 50 lbs).
Any more seats left?
1, just switched to Linux.
You should sit in 2 then, to tell the wolves how superior your OS is
its too expensive...
Looks like meat's back on the menu, boys!
Either that or sit in 1 and tell him one of the wolves is violating the GPL.
if it's the laid back linux guy, simply very enthusiastic, I'll gladly sit next to him
some kind of fanboy, who thinks in terms of us vs them and who makes it his personality then nope
If it's somebody who's pure Gnu, then no thank you. They'll probably take offense that I'm using "non-free JS" or something.
Anti Commercial-AI license
Sit beside one and talk about the BSDs being the superior race LMAO
Even the wolves groan.
Throw the Linux guy to the wolves, enjoy an empty row just for yourself
You kidding. They raised that guy.
You still have the goat and the cabbage...
Fortunately, i own earplugs
Good call, wolves can get pretty noisy.
In my designated seat...
Exactly! Why would I sit next to myself?
Super happy to be that Linux guy sitting by myself with no one to bother me while I'm getting things done.
Depends if the guy has social skills. There's someone who recently joined at my work who seems to have some social development issues. He's perfectly intelligent, but has no apparent filter and discusses topics that aren't appropriate to discuss with people you don't really know (about his feelings in awkward ways). If it was someone like that, I'll take the wolves. If it's someone who can sense when I want to take a break, Linux guy and I probably have some common interests.
It's wolves, i'm sitting besides the pack, cause it's impossible for me to sit beside ME!
"You are inside 2 wolves"
Is number one an Arch user?
Who tf let a pack of wolves on to a plane?
Sequel to 'Snakes on a plane'
Dunno, but I'm looking to find out. Give me 2 all the way.
Inside every human is two wolves.
Only rarely is a human inside two wolves.
Well, as long as it's just a hungry pack of wolves and not a pack of hungry wolves.
Inside me:
Only 10 hours of talking about linux?
That's barely enough time to talk about best editor. Then there's best DE, best distro, best shell, Wayland vs X, systemd, whether sudo needs to be replaced, Nvidia vs AMD etc.
Shouldn't they get back to their job of being inside people, in pairs?
That's why they're on the plane; they're working overseas.
So I get two seats to myself? Sweet!
14 werewolves...
it's just suspiciously perfect
There must be an alternative, hmm...
What distro, terminal emulator, shell, and text editor does this person like? We might have stuff to talk about. If the answers to any of the above are Fedora, XTerm, Bash, or Pico then we have nothing to talk about and I'll take the wolves
Slackware, console, sh, ed.
Ah. Someone who found what worked for them a long time ago and has developed an expertise in something esoteric. I'm sure we'll have much to discuss
What OS do the wolves use? And are they there to crank their hogs?
Im gonna sit next to him with my headphones on so I can't hear him crying as I use chrome on my windows 11 laptop.
Laptop tries to reboot for 5th update of the day
You try to ignore helpful tips from the guy next to you, pretending your headphones are still active.
You choke back tears as Windows had enough from your feeble attempts to boot and the power button stops doing anything.
I know whats wrong. Its this stupid adblock. Ill just turn it off.
Well, as a feminist, I’m choosing the wolves.
I guess I'm not that guy. I use arch Linux (had to say it for the memes)but I like coding, drawing, learning new languages, photography, and I'm thinking about picking up calligraphy someday.
Only masochists run Arch.
I run Gentoo BTW.
Your among friends here. I just didn't have time for Gentoo
I had never installed Linux before. Back in 2006 my old college roommate told me that he was reading about it. I used Solaris Spark workstations back in college, but never ran Linux before. My other roommate ran Slackware which looked cool but I never looked into it. Anyway I had recently built a custom PC and I was trying to avoid paying the windows tax, and was growing tired of having to reinstall the cracked version I was using of "corporate windows xp" so I pulled up the installation guide, printed it out, and proceeded to install the stage 1 tarball.
It definitely was a trial by fire. I learned a tremendous amount, and I don't regret any of it.
I even was playing WoW under Cedega.
I did eventually pick up a copy of Windows XP to run in parallels for Linux, and unfortunately, had to give it up for Windows XP as the main os due to Blizzard banning people who were playing Linux at the time.
I miss it sometimes, but I don't have the free time to properly maintain an install of Gentoo.
I usually run Linux Mint on my VMs and test bench hardware however because it just works.
I ran Arch briefly but my conclusion was that if I wanted Ck and bl torture, I would just main Gentoo again.
Arch isn't that bad, it's a lot of what you have to do in Gentoo. Infact Gentoo is more manual and hands on than arch with a lot more room for error. Arch has a lot of systems service made specifically to make install and maintenance easier.
I don't know how long ago it was when you tried it but I'd give it another shot, it might surprise you! There's a lot arch does to help you that most people don't even realize.
I ran it about 5 years ago. A friend had trouble getting the Nvidia closed source drivers installed so I spun up an install to get it done. I was able to figure it out. There was an error message that either she didn't spot or maybe didn't find a resolution too.
I do like Gentoo primarily because I am a troubleshooter at heart, I just don't always have the time to deal with a broken system anymore.
I do get tempted to run it on bare metal from time to time. The last time I tried to install it in VirtualBox, it didn't work out unfortunately.
Yeah, virtual box doesn't work all that well from my experience. If you're on windows I'd definitely recommend checking out VMware. VMware even has support for windows 95 and stuff.
It's been about five years but I've managed to install arch just fine on virtual box (in macos) but VMware is just a more robust polished experience and it has a free version on windows.
I read about the free edition, I will have to look into that. Thanks!
Only masochists use Gentoo. I use KISS Linux
I think that you misspelled Hannah Montana Linux?
(I just Googled KISS Linux. I tip my fedora, but I hope that you're compiling everything from source!)
It'll be an Arch user so all I have to do is mention that I use Mint. That'll just make him glare at me angrily for the rest of the flight.
I've been meaning to get into Linux, I'll have to solo 13 wolves another day ;(
Do you want advice on switching? Not to be the guy in the meme i just dont have enything to do rn
Oh, trust me, it's not a coincidence that ALL wolves decided to sit away from that uncouth beast.
Im the person that likes to talk about linux😞🤚
Arch?
Uses Pacman, so probably sauce
no, ubuntu 😇
I would never....
i use arch btw.yay
Let's just say I am the one who knocks, and I use Linux. Arch, BTW.
Puppies!
2, without hesitation. Can't be so bad.
You can punch the guy, I would help too
https://iv.datura.network/watch?v=31Voz1H40zI