Milton was a staunch Christian. It was interpretations of Paradise Lost a hundred years or so after it was written by the likes of William Blake, Mary Wollstonecraft, Lord Byron and Shelley that were the formation of Romantic Satanism, which in turn inspired the modern atheistic, compassionate Satanism of today.
I wish there was a way but there's so much bad stuff and it all kind of interweaves with every other aspect of itself. I could tell you Greaves was a eugenicist who's made eugenicist, racist, antisemitic, ablist statements in the past but without going through everything else in the video its next to impossible to explain how that impacts on how he operates today.
Neither of them are good people but I don't want anyone to just take my word for it - the receipts are at that link.
The video has its sources listed in a Google Doc in the description, but if reading rather than video is more your thing (or you're not keen on using Google stuff - and I get that) there's also TempleWatcher's pages on Greaves and Jarry, the two co-owners of TST.
I don't know the specifics and everything I have heard has been third or fourth hand accounts, but apparently the recent drama has been bad and has caused a real upheaval.
My local TST group voted to separate from TST and become independent, so now we are working on becoming our own local group. But it takes time to do all the paperwork and stuff.
Fair warning: some of it is very disturbing. There's a lot of quoted racism, antisemitism etc. It's not an easy watch. If you make it through the whole thing, there's also some very interesting comments left by current and ex members too.
Thank you for linking me that video. Just finished it and wow. Disgusted but overall happy to know all that shit and part ways with them. Fuck racists, transphobes, eugenics, fascism and the capitalist underpinnings of TST. *spit
There was one of these tracts from the 70s on evolution, where a christian student authoritatively defeats the stuffy science teacher, with what is demonstrably cherry-picked crap taken out of context.
At the end, the triumphant, humble-yet-firm student asks a by-now deflated science teacher how is it that protons in the nucleus, with positive charge, don't fly apart, the teacher shakes his head as he mumbles "I don't know, I don't know..."
I guess the student was implying that little angels kept the protons in place? Or that there are some things that are unknowable?
As if Quantum Chromodynamics, the Strong Force (and Strong Nuclear Force, slight difference there) and The Standard Model didn't already exist, as if quarks hadn't been detected beyond a shadow of a doubt.
In his profound and cynical dishonesty, seems like Chick in his tract counted on information on the subject not yet being widely available at the time.
Chew on that one for a minute: Chick counted on the scientific illiteracy of the tract reader. Fanatical zealot that he was.
So, hell has education, the best music, strippers, drugs, all the cool people, orgies etc. Heaven has boring ignorant church people who find hetero sexuality more important then the love for their own child. So why would I want to go to heaven instead of hell? Christians aren't presenting a strong case here. When you're making shit up, why not create a heaven which is awesome instead? With our Holy Noodle, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, heaven consists of beer volcanoes and strippers. Hell consists of beer volcanoes and strippers too, but the beer is passed its expired date and the strippers have STD's. This is how you promote your fictional afterlife, like it's better then the alternative. I'd rather go to a place with hot strippers and cocain instead of a heaven full of unvaccinated babies and child molesters.
Indeed, I've read a lot of them! I just try to not give the website more views lately.
Also finding them physically out in the wild is extremely rare, it was the only time I've seen more than like...one. And that one was attached to my front door XD
They were more common back in the...80s, 90s, at geek conventions where he'd proselytize. Otherwise they aren't super common because I think people just don't know about them much anymore.
You can bulk order a random assortment though, if you're inclined to about people and don't care the specific message!
I had no idea what these were. Then I realized I had taken some weird bookets from this one weird store. On the back they say CHICK. So I guess I have some chick tracts now. One is called "Love the Jewish People" and the other "This was your life!"
He died in 2016. Fred Carter did a good amount of the art and took over near the end (cough but he’s black so they left his name out cough). Carter died last year too, no idea who’s drawing new ones (if they’re making new ones)
Always on the lookout for Lisa in which the family doctor lets a dad know that he gave his own daughter herpes but it’s okay because he helps the dad find Jesus and stop being a rapist. That one got pulled pretty quickly.
My favorite one is the Christian student against the professor. "Gluons aren't real because you cannot see them. Actually it is Jesus holding atoms together."
The only one I ever got was right after the Soviet Union fell but while Gorbachev was still president and it was called "IS THE RUSSIAN BEAR READY TO STRIKE?" and it claimed that the fall of the Soviet Union was a ruse and Gorbachev was about to launch a nuclear strike because his name was actually pronounced GOGRBACHEV like Gog and Magog in the Bible.
Ooh, yes ape daddy! Pound my monkussy!
What a terrible day to have eyes
If there is a god, it must be a god of mischief for granting me the gift of literacy and setting me on a path to encounter your comment.
You have some interesting Kinks.
Great song! Thanks for sharing ❤️
I'm always happy to share a Kinks song.
More I consume Christian media, more Satan looks like a better guy than God.
Well, in the Bible Satan killed no more than 20 people, and at the command of God at that. God killed millions intentionally.
John Milton seemed to agree, although I doubt he could have said so directly in 17th century England. He came pretty damn close, though.
Milton was a staunch Christian. It was interpretations of Paradise Lost a hundred years or so after it was written by the likes of William Blake, Mary Wollstonecraft, Lord Byron and Shelley that were the formation of Romantic Satanism, which in turn inspired the modern atheistic, compassionate Satanism of today.
You can always join The Satanic Temple! Very cool political activism group with sick shirts lmao
There are alternatives to TST that are not problematic in the way TST's leaders are.
Anyone willing to provide a quick abridged version?
I wish there was a way but there's so much bad stuff and it all kind of interweaves with every other aspect of itself. I could tell you Greaves was a eugenicist who's made eugenicist, racist, antisemitic, ablist statements in the past but without going through everything else in the video its next to impossible to explain how that impacts on how he operates today.
Neither of them are good people but I don't want anyone to just take my word for it - the receipts are at that link.
Be awesome if you could provide some sources beyond a YouTube video. Give us something to read please.
The video has its sources listed in a Google Doc in the description, but if reading rather than video is more your thing (or you're not keen on using Google stuff - and I get that) there's also TempleWatcher's pages on Greaves and Jarry, the two co-owners of TST.
Thank you, ill give these a read when I've got some time.
I don't know the specifics and everything I have heard has been third or fourth hand accounts, but apparently the recent drama has been bad and has caused a real upheaval. My local TST group voted to separate from TST and become independent, so now we are working on becoming our own local group. But it takes time to do all the paperwork and stuff.
Oh fuck. Gonna have to look at that later, though I’m scared lol
Added it to my Watch Later, thanks.
Fair warning: some of it is very disturbing. There's a lot of quoted racism, antisemitism etc. It's not an easy watch. If you make it through the whole thing, there's also some very interesting comments left by current and ex members too.
Noooooooooo. I can’t NOT watch it now. These are very disappointing things to hear Sadge
Thank you for linking me that video. Just finished it and wow. Disgusted but overall happy to know all that shit and part ways with them. Fuck racists, transphobes, eugenics, fascism and the capitalist underpinnings of TST. *spit
Sometimes my mom calls a fanny pack a strap-on. This is like that.
oh I'm stealing that
In my country, a fanny is a cunt, so hearing Americans call bum-bags "fanny packs" was, and still is, hilarious to me.
But I will be exclusively referring to my bum bag as my "strap on" from now on. Thank you, groucho's mom.
I always forget about that. Also we call anoraks "windbreakers", which....
I'm great at breaking wind...
I've heard those massage pads you lay on a chair and sit on called a "vibrator"
Satan uses Education! It was very Effective!
That guy has been topped by a gorilla ?
Yes. Not seen: the gorilla's leather outfit.
See my vest, see my vest, Made from real gorilla chest
Boomers and their outdated concepts. Don’t they know that millennials call their primate ancestors stepdad?
Having brain cells is satanic, evidently.
The effort people make to undermine education only shows how desperately it's needed.
There was one of these tracts from the 70s on evolution, where a christian student authoritatively defeats the stuffy science teacher, with what is demonstrably cherry-picked crap taken out of context.
At the end, the triumphant, humble-yet-firm student asks a by-now deflated science teacher how is it that protons in the nucleus, with positive charge, don't fly apart, the teacher shakes his head as he mumbles "I don't know, I don't know..."
I guess the student was implying that little angels kept the protons in place? Or that there are some things that are unknowable?
As if Quantum Chromodynamics, the Strong Force (and Strong Nuclear Force, slight difference there) and The Standard Model didn't already exist, as if quarks hadn't been detected beyond a shadow of a doubt.
In his profound and cynical dishonesty, seems like Chick in his tract counted on information on the subject not yet being widely available at the time.
Chew on that one for a minute: Chick counted on the scientific illiteracy of the tract reader. Fanatical zealot that he was.
Sticks out for Harambe
Today's Chick Tract: Jack's barely disguised fetish
Isn't that all of them?
So, hell has education, the best music, strippers, drugs, all the cool people, orgies etc. Heaven has boring ignorant church people who find hetero sexuality more important then the love for their own child. So why would I want to go to heaven instead of hell? Christians aren't presenting a strong case here. When you're making shit up, why not create a heaven which is awesome instead? With our Holy Noodle, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, heaven consists of beer volcanoes and strippers. Hell consists of beer volcanoes and strippers too, but the beer is passed its expired date and the strippers have STD's. This is how you promote your fictional afterlife, like it's better then the alternative. I'd rather go to a place with hot strippers and cocain instead of a heaven full of unvaccinated babies and child molesters.
Important question: does it have garlic bread tho
Reminds me of a punchline to a dirty joke.
“Don’t you dare question how I [satan] torture them.”
I once found an entire stack of Chick Tracts, I stole them all to laugh at. Amazing to see in person.
They're all free on his website. I go there sometimes if I need a laugh.
Indeed, I've read a lot of them! I just try to not give the website more views lately.
Also finding them physically out in the wild is extremely rare, it was the only time I've seen more than like...one. And that one was attached to my front door XD
Worry no longer! Knowing that the Internet Archive has everything, I looked and- voila!
https://archive.org/details/chick-tracts
Well I guess I'm lucky?
They were more common back in the...80s, 90s, at geek conventions where he'd proselytize. Otherwise they aren't super common because I think people just don't know about them much anymore.
You can bulk order a random assortment though, if you're inclined to about people and don't care the specific message!
I got a booklet full of them as a prize in a carnival game held by a church
I had no idea what these were. Then I realized I had taken some weird bookets from this one weird store. On the back they say CHICK. So I guess I have some chick tracts now. One is called "Love the Jewish People" and the other "This was your life!"
Yeah, he loves us jews because we must exist in order for the end times to happen. He's very fucking weird about it though.
I mean, he's weird about everything though.
Isn't he dead?
Very!
He had people drawing the comics for quite some time before he died though, so it's just. Continuing as far as I could tell.
Apparently not
He died in 2016. Fred Carter did a good amount of the art and took over near the end (cough but he’s black so they left his name out cough). Carter died last year too, no idea who’s drawing new ones (if they’re making new ones)
REally?? Why does them being THAT racist surprise me?
They have a special “Black Tract Series”
I loooooove Chick tracts. I collect them.
Always on the lookout for Lisa in which the family doctor lets a dad know that he gave his own daughter herpes but it’s okay because he helps the dad find Jesus and stop being a rapist. That one got pulled pretty quickly.
American Hysteria did a good deep-dive into this wacko fuck.
Part 1
Part 2
Ironic to rail against education so hard when you're literally sitting in a lecture every Sunday.
That's indoctrination though, not education. So it's fine.
My favorite one is the Christian student against the professor. "Gluons aren't real because you cannot see them. Actually it is Jesus holding atoms together."
I can't see Jesus...or God......oh wait!
If I were the professor, I would be fine as long as the student were to tell the definition of a Gluon when I asked them to define "Jesus".
A name is a name is a name.
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But then you could break Jesus if you smashed into him with enough force.
Don't threaten him with a good time...
As someone who had to simulate the strong force, this actually makes a lot of sense.
At least it’s an ape and not a monkey.
Plus, being a squid, my ancestor was a snailish thing. And it couldn't fly, so to hell with it.
"My ancestor "
Call it what you like. As long as there's no educating going on.
Shirts that go hard along with the "drugs" skull shirt.
Bruh, this is my post: https://lemmy.world/post/9544336
Jack Chick has always been a self parody.
Kinky Nixon's brother; stick daddy
I wish I had gotten these when I worked retail, instead I got... blatantly bigoted shit.
The only one I ever got was right after the Soviet Union fell but while Gorbachev was still president and it was called "IS THE RUSSIAN BEAR READY TO STRIKE?" and it claimed that the fall of the Soviet Union was a ruse and Gorbachev was about to launch a nuclear strike because his name was actually pronounced GOGRBACHEV like Gog and Magog in the Bible.
It was amusing but the text was way too dense.
Don't kink shame
Papa don't preach
I think I just saw this one the other day! Is it "Baby Talk"?
Nothing quite like a Chick Tract to give a chuckle.
Always said dad looked like a silver back.
Swap the monkey out with a werewolf (or 14), and I'll call him by whatever name he wants. UwU
Reply "how did you know I was into old man on furry roleplay?" then when they go off on their god crap, tear it in half and toss it and yell "NEXT!"
Oh my~