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Conservatives: The intolerant left keeps calling us Nazis!
Nazis: We are voting for Trump.
I can at least respect that they own the label instead of cowardly insisting they're not Nazis.
I like the election posters of "Die Partei" in Germany.
"A nazi could hang here!"
Dual meaning also to "hang" aka lynch them from the lamp post?
That is the whole point, yes.
The English way you said it sounds like they are "hanging" like "hanging out" like monkeys in trees.
ah crap. i used a translator and was not sure. guess i picked the wrong one then. the right one would be "a nazi could hang here"?
Yep, it's much more direct and clear!
i changed it. thanks!
Just need to use the visage of a modern day Christofascist, and then print it all over shit.
Here you go:
or maybe
if you really want to capture that christofascist look
I did have a bit of a scroll to see if anyone had made a relevant graphic design, and found this: https://www.nicklacke.com/shop/p/punch-a-nazi-screenprint
but no t-shirts, so I guess it's there for you to do lol
(E: I just realised this might need clarifying - I don't mean put this person's art on t-shirts, but rather that there is very little "punch a nazi" graphic art out there, so you could take inspiration and make your own without stepping on any toes)
I sincerely believe many of them can be convinced to leave that ideology.
Here's a good example: https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
bUt yOur BeeINg vIoLenT aNd iNtoLerANt
Yup. Welcome to the world
Screenshot the reports pls I want to laugh. Thankies.
You going to Akron pride this year? If is bring your flag and I’ll come hang out with you this time :)
I will likely be there
The social contract says we all agree to not kill each other. If party A's fundamental stance is that it is ok to kill X group AND THIS IS TOLERATED then the social contract has been broken and party A has subjected themselves to the same rules they now apply to others.
This is not opinion. This is how it plays out in real life. If your stance is that my life is forefeight or disposable, then so is yours.
Just remember party A made this choice not their victims who choose to fight back.
This is why fascists insist there is no Holocaust. Because if they admitted it they would admit it's fair game on anyone who shares their ideology.
I can't tell if this is simply saying that you have the right to self-defense, which is obvious and agreed upon pretty much everywhere in the US, or whether it's saying that, since we've all agreed not to kill each other if those guys want to murder us then we have the right to murder them. If it's the later then either you don't understand irony or you don't really care about the 'social contract'.
It sometimes feels like folks on this community are looking forward to a cultural civil war just as much as the right-wing maga nuts.
The edit is how you know you picked the right instance.
are the klan the same as nazis? i always figured they were seperate hate groups
nazis learned alot from the klan and the jim crow era. for the purpose of brick throwing targets, they are the same.
They are different, but with considerable ideological overlap.
I wonder if low-life racist losers would buy zero or more than zero guns if this poster went up on every telephone post in the world tomorrow morning.
Reminds me I need to keep offering to buy non-white people as many fucking guns as I fucking can. I would like to pretend the US might love the gun less if more non-white people were better armed.
The answer to that question lies in the Mulford Act.
Proto-God Emperor Reagan hisself signed that one.
Oh. My. Fucking. God. Does the US Republican Party know about this apostasy??!?
Or am I the apostate for expecting them to have a coherent worldview?
I feel lost with this knowledge.
If the Repuglicans didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all
The first thing that would happen is liberals condemning the call to political violence, and helping to get the signs taken down immediately.
Ending nazi lives matters.
I get that this is posted on the Antifascism community. But it seems more than a little bit bloodthirsty. And it feels to me like the folks in the comments calling out for hunting/murdering Nazis haven't really thought that policy through to its logical conclusion. Maybe some are just fantasizing or virtue signaling, but assuming enough are willing to pick up a rifle and pull the trigger where does that lead us? Who decides whether someone is a Nazi? Do they have to be wearing a swastika? Is it enough to just express your contempt for a group that's a US minority? How much contempt?
"That's easy, just shoot the ones with swastikas"
Okay, so you show up to a flag waving Nazi rally and start shooting. They probably start shooting back. The cops get involved and shoot everybody (well maybe they don't shoot some of the Nazis). Then what happens? Antifa gets officially labeled as a domestic terrorist organization. All the news outlets talk about how terrible the group is. The FBI starts looking into everyone subscribed to this community, etc.
"No, everyone knows Nazis are bad. We'd be supported not condemned."
Alright, suppose somehow it's a revolution and the left is rounding up Nazis and guillotining them with full support of cable news. At that point everyone says they aren't a Nazi. How do you decide? This one talks like a racist, that one lives in an all-white neighborhood, that one is rich. You're walking really close to the line of becoming fascists yourself. France went through a revolution like that about 150 years ago. There's a good article about it on the anarchist library website. I think the takeaway is that a reign of terror is still a reign of terror even if the 'good guys' are in charge.
How about, instead of bloody murder, we expunge the Nazis from the police forces, establish a more socially just system of regulations in the US, and make sure anybody who acts like a Nazi gets punished for it by the state? Don't you think that would be a more effective solution?
NO, no I don't think trying to rid the system of Nazis will work otherwise it would have already
How about abolishing police altogether as well as the state
Do you seriously think that is possible. Do you.
Plus, if you do advocate for police abolition rather than reform, don't come crying to me when one of your friends gets jumped by some skinheads and sent to the hospital for being trans.
Yeah bro, cuz cops totally prevent crime.
They could if they actually did their jobs, which they currently don't.
Yeah, Cuz they're fucking fascists. Quit licking boot.
The cops we have now are. Cops in general don't have to be.
Yes
"Just abolish the state bro, just topple the government, everything will be fine after that bro trust me"
Better than what we currently have. You libs LOVE state sanctioned violence.
Are you one of those deeply confused anarchists who thinks the word "state" means "system of opression" instead of "system of government"? Or are you one of those utterly brain dead libertarians who thinks the two are synonymous?
It's the same equivocation that communism can just magically work. Fuck nazis tho
Just want to say here that regardless of the political benefits that can be obtained with violence, I do think all lives matter including Nazis, and I think most people can be convinced of this if they can be shown how similar all our experiences are. It seems like once you realize that a Nazi is essentially a version of yourself with slightly different psychological pressures, you can realize that, as painful as it may be, they are human, and your desire for humans not to suffer extends to them. Realizing this doesn't preclude instrumental violence against them, but it can prevent the feeling of hatred.
Well, they're gonna kill a bunch of minorities before you can convince enough of them of that. It's not my job or minorities' jobs to make fash realize they're evil. Funny how people defend nazis' lives without putting into account all the damage they're causing to others who aren't them. Some people just don't want to admit it's past time to do some uncomfortable nazi-hurting.
You are right, sadly some are knowingly in it for the hatred and not because of a bad life or pressure.
Some are just racist and want to watch people suffer.
I have struggled with this fact myself because it's alien to me to hate someone, just because. Sadly I realize that a whole bunch of people on this earth will simply not change because they really want to be like this.
How Dare you Advocate for violence! This is a Christian Minecraft server!
Completely unrelated: Nashville be looking red black and white on weekends lately
The only good fascist is a dead fascist!
Sending Nazis to the hospital I support. Killing them I do not.
Okay Desmond Doss
That's... not a Nazi. It's a member of the KKK.
Who do you think the Nazis took inspiration from?
Historical and Political Influences German Nationalism:
Otto von Bismarck and the Unification of Germany: The unification of Germany in 1871 fostered a strong sense of national identity and pride. This nationalism was later twisted by the Nazis to promote an exclusionary and aggressive form of German identity. Anti-Semitic Traditions:
Martin Luther: In the 16th century, Martin Luther's later writings contained vehement anti-Semitic rhetoric. Although his religious reformation had different aims, his anti-Jewish sentiments were later appropriated by Nazi ideology. Modern Anti-Semitism: In the 19th and early 20th centuries, racial anti-Semitism (as opposed to religious anti-Judaism) gained ground, with figures like Wilhelm Marr coining the term "anti-Semitism" and promoting the idea of Jews as a distinct and inferior race. Social Darwinism:
Herbert Spencer: The misapplication of Charles Darwin's theories of natural selection to human societies. Spencer's phrase "survival of the fittest" was used to justify imperialism, racism, and eugenics. Eugenics Movement:
Francis Galton: A proponent of eugenics, the belief in improving the genetic quality of the human population through selective breeding. This influenced Nazi policies on racial purity and the elimination of those they deemed "unfit."
Philosophical and Ideological Influences Friedrich Nietzsche:
Although Nietzsche himself was not anti-Semitic and would likely have opposed the Nazis, his ideas about the "Übermensch" (superman) and the "will to power" were co-opted and misinterpreted by Nazi ideologues to justify their notions of Aryan superiority and ruthless domination.
Houston Stewart Chamberlain:
An English-German philosopher whose book "The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century" (1899) promoted the idea of the superiority of the "Aryan race" and was highly influential among German nationalists and the Nazi movement. Alfred Rosenberg:
A prominent Nazi ideologue whose book "The Myth of the Twentieth Century" (1930) was a key text in Nazi ideology, promoting racial purity and anti-Semitism.
Economic and Social Influences Post-World War I Conditions:
The Treaty of Versailles (1919): The harsh terms imposed on Germany after World War I led to widespread economic hardship, political instability, and a sense of national humiliation. This created fertile ground for extremist ideologies like Nazism. Economic Depression: The Great Depression of the 1930s exacerbated the economic struggles in Germany, leading many to support radical solutions offered by the Nazis.
Anti-Communism:
Fear of Bolshevism: The Russian Revolution of 1917 and the spread of communist movements in Europe generated a fear of communism, which the Nazis exploited by presenting themselves as a bulwark against Bolshevik revolution and Jewish conspiracy. Cultural and Social Influences
Volkisch Movement:
A German nationalist movement emphasizing ethnic purity, folk traditions, and a mystical connection to the German land. This movement laid the groundwork for many of the cultural and racial ideas adopted by the Nazis.
Racial Theories:
Arthur de Gobineau: His book "An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races" (1853-1855) argued that civilizations decline when different races mix. His ideas on racial hierarchy influenced Nazi racial ideology. Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
A fabricated anti-Semitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. Although a forgery, it was widely circulated and used by the Nazis to justify their anti-Semitic policies.
Conclusion Nazi ideology was a complex and toxic blend of nationalism, anti-Semitism, social Darwinism, and eugenics, influenced by various historical, philosophical, and social currents. The Nazis selectively appropriated and twisted these ideas to justify their policies of racial purity, territorial expansion, and the annihilation of those they deemed undesirable.
Fair enough, but they also drew from the KKK. Hitler met with members of the second KKK, and praised them
According to your comment history, you spend to much time on lemmy defending fascists... 🤔
Fuck off nazi
You're here, so yeah
US politics starves 20 million people worldwide per year. Capitalism has killed billions, not counting war casualties. Anyone propping up such an obviously broken system has the blood of countless victims on their hands, and is remaining a child trying to wipe that blood off and claim it was paint.
Thanks seahorse. Excellent opportunity to block this community
Would you like a block of the entire instance? I can do that too. I'm sorry killing killers is offensive to you.
Vigilante justice is bad
Wrong
Elaborate
You made the claim. You elaborate.
I generally wait for them to label themselves. They are itching to do so. Only reason they don't all walk around with their hate symbols on display is because they will damage parts of their lives, like their careers.
Back in the day, when I went to lots of of metal, punk, and industrial shows, nazis, and other WP assholes, would show up to shows. You had 2 choices, drive them out with violence, or end up with a nazi club. People with these types of ideologies only understand that might makes right, the language of which is violence.
Hear, hear!
Sure. There's a reason we have courts, the system may be rotten to the core, but that does not mean it's right to take matters into your own hands. You cannot trust individuals to make decisions on who is a nazi and who is not. Some people will quickly call another person a nazi for ridiculous reasons like being a meat eater.
Whatever your opinion may be on eating meat, I think we can agree that it does not automatically make you a nazi. However, some lunatics do and this post encourages those people to go do something about it.
Something that I noticed years ago when working in law: There are pro forma people who care mostly about the process. Was it orderly, were all of the steps followed, the i's dotted, the t's crossed? Speaking colorfully, they would fully support a well-oiled orphan crushing machine, often even if they're the orphans. It does make sense, given that monstrous and unjust rules and procedures are still rules and procedures, with a soothing order to them. Unknown, unpredictable things are deeply frightening to most living creatures, after all.
On the other side, there are the people who care mostly about the outcome, about whether it was just. They've resisted the world's attempts to beat the child's fixation on fairness out of them. There will always be a dynamic tension between the two groups.
So, yes, letting individuals make vigilante decisions about what is just and fair leads to chaos, but justice and fairness are still important. The crux of the matter is that the orderly court system has to deliver actual fairness and justice more often than the chaos does. If it doesn't, then the people who care more about justice and fairness will do the cost-benefit analysis and abandon the system. If you're in the first group, you may feel that an established, orderly court system is good, per se, no matter its outcome. But understand that lots of people also live in the second group, so it does matter if the court system is rotten to the core. It matters a great deal, because those folks will jettison the system the moment the chaos looks like a better option.
username checks out
Instead of creating bullshit strawman arguments demonizing vegans (or whatever other right-wing "othering" you can conjure), why don't you share your nazi sympathizing with other conservative apologists.
Run along back over to Truth Social or Stormfront or NAMBLA or wherever the conservatives are hanging out these days and tell them how nazi's should be respected. We aren't falling for it.
When the cops are the Nazis vigilanteism is the only real option.
No
You realize that without vigilantism the US wouldn’t exist, right? Nor would dozens of other countries.
If they don't stink, stick em.
just downloaded this app. u guys are really cringey
lmfao
Know what is even more cringe?
Nazis
Bye then.
Just saw this comment. Big brain take, bro.
You just haven't been radicalized yet.
It's gnarly!
Wow… very… civilized
Intolerance for the intolerant.
Thanks, I think so too
Unironically, yes. Paradox of intolerance.
Ugh. THANK YOU.
The paradox of intolerance doesn't exist.
Tolerance is a social contract, if one side decides to break it, then the other side doesn't need to honour it either.
Uh...yeah. That IS the premise of the paradox.