That's the meme. They translate English expressions, names and brands into German 1:1, disregarding any standing idioms and available translations. Hard to read even as a German native. Struggling to figure out what to OP meant is like 90% of the fun.
Haha, I remember trying to tell a German colleague that another colleague was ‘ingverklerten’ because he had red hair, apparently the German word for ginger is not used to represent colour. Almost as popular as our attempt to call someone a ‘glockenende’ when they had been foolish.
Sounds like I should look into ich_iel a bit.
I studied German in high school but I don't remember any of it. I like to pretend that ich_iel is just using made up nonsense words, like the Swedish Chef muppet.
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I took French in high school and barely scraped by. My wife took German and went on an exchange program for six weeks after high school and had a terrific time.
Close to 30 years later and I remember a lot of the French but she's forgotten most of the German.
So who's laughing now, huh?
Oh right, you got to have those six weeks in Germany. Merde.
Define perfect English. Cause you could always lord over them the fact that they have a shitty government entity that used to gorce them to use what amounts to a government enforced dialect.
Meanwhile if I wrote phonetically it would be mildly ineligible, just like my dialect.
Only because of their exacting standards. Even when I lived in Germany in the 90s the only time I had trouble understanding someone speaking English was when our realtor was trying to be racist but didn't know the English words.
See, that is what I mean. Nobody speaks "perfect" English, not even native speakers, because languages are not prescriptive. Their function is to communicate ideas and if you have successfully communicated then you have used language "perfectly".
Grammar and syntax aside, it's basically /me_irl for our German-speaking compadres. Most other languages - French included - generally have a community analogous to most of the popular English-language communities.
In case you're learning French to be able to work at a bigger French company - don't. You will be very unhappy. The basic reason is, French companies, even those who think they're "modern", are still run like Louis XIV's is the CEO. Like an extremely rigid, top-down, feudalistic little empire full of screaming bosses and servile employees.
I studied German in high school and then as an adult I traveled to India and studied Malayalam, the language of the southern-most state of Kerala. I was surprised at how similar Malayalam was to German (in terms of grammatical structure, not vocabulary) and learned that it's because of Hermann Gundert, a 19th Century German missionary who learned Malayalam (and a bunch of other Indian languages) and published its first formal grammar, more-or-less imposing German's grammatical structure onto it.
Tu peux apprendre les deux !
Or join us on [email protected]. Sure we are not as active as [email protected] but maybe with your help we will improve (^_^)
French is so difficult to learn because of the pronunciation. Spanish is much easier to learn in comparison. I don't get why all school in Germany prefer French as third language before Spanish.
Also long history of french being what different social elites like nobles and intellectuals liked to cosplay, leading to french being kind of a status symbol for being culturally educated
Thats the gist. Of course it should be optional, no one said it should be mandatory, and I feel like the defensiveness of that argument is not entirely accidental.
My argument is that learning the language of the majority of immigrants would be testimony of a actually open post-migrant society.
Instead it's "no one migrates to turkey and its economically useless", as if learning french in school would be relevant to the migration of germans to france. Encounters of germans and turskish migrants happens on daily basis though.
Haha okay I automatically assumed I was talking to a techie-alman speaking out of a eurocentric perspective. How the turn tables.
Of course I understand your bias.
And yeah, switzerland... I still think that affects much less people than there are people living and working alongside turkish immigrants. This should motivate seeing turkish culture as valuable in the sense of living the cultural melting pot we created for economic reasons.
I dont understand the turkish part.. something annoys you I guess?
Anyway biji kurdistan. (Also not sure how to spell that. In my school they taught french and latin)
The most populated region at war times was West Germany. It was governed by France after war.
I have no idea if this is actually the reason but we are incredibly thankful for restoring our country by our french friends - which we harassed and killed beforehand.
Understanding the language is great but it's not enough. Unfortunately the majority of stuff posted are inside jokes which is why a lot of people perceive them as unfunny apparently
You don't miss that much. They are trying to do edgy dank memes in german. The "culture" they represent is quite white and cleasend from migrant humor.
Its the german version of these alt right pepe memes.
I'm still not sure what exactly you mean but I would love to see immigrant culture on ich_iel and I think most others do too! It's not that the community is hostile or anything and people who don't speak German or things explained when they ask.
How could the community be more inclusive? What would you suggest? Or where do you see active hostility?
Maybe how a community that has quite a number of anti-CDU memes is dogwhistling nazi code. That the community is German isn't enough to say it is nazi. You can link posts and explain the dogwhistles or maybe decode some common dogwhistles without link. I'm curious to lern the NS background of surgeons.
Edit2: Another anti right meme: https://feddit.org/post/953166
You are yet to give me one example or argument or piece of evidence for your bold claims.
Well tell me how exactly a non white culture is supposed to emerge in a country with a non existent colored population, or am i missing some specific meaning here ?
Yes thats about 14% of the population ehich are living mostly in cities and usually in blocks with very high percentage of immigrants and very little exchange. I would see it more as living on the same turf than living together... No shared culture emerges from that
Also stop pushing people into categories because you dont like their opinions
Yeah those stupid migrants risked EVERYTHING to come here and live and ghetto's and push weed.
Reality is, they arent allowed to work, and even if they have a job, only german last names get flats in german neighborhoods. And there is actual law which allows racism in that regard. Systematic rasicm is woven with old German racial thinking.
The boxes are fine. You and iel fit well in the neo-nazi box :)
You just said the majority was turks, last time i checked turkey wasn't that bad.
If you need a simple abstraction like those neonazis and us rightful fair progressives or whatever you probably have a simple personality which fits just as well in in of those boxes. Its probably hard to perceive complexity in this position...
Awaiting your enraged answer with amusement, clearly superior person of the internet
I had a chat with them yesterday using google translate and apparently they think "From the river to the sea" is problematic. Not sure why, but it's probably their government lying to them and saying Palestine is an ethnostate.
I reject the existence of Israel too. Before Israel, Jews and Arabs lived in peace in Palestine. But Britain invaded, created Israel, and cut Palestine in half. From the river to the sea, Arab Palestinians must be free to walk hand in hand with their Jewish siblings. Not imprisoned behind Israeli walls, forced out of their homes, and bombed in the name of stopping a Hamas government that Israel themselves helped gain power. Hamas is Israel's fault, not the fault of the innocent children in Gaza. Israel is responsible for the attacks against Jews in Israel and in the rest of the world. Because Israel has told the world that Jews are evil colonisers and their existence must be paid for in innocent blood. This is a slanderous lie against the Jewish people! Down with Israel! Down with antisemitism! Down with genocide!
Agreed, but thats still no reason to identify with Hamas. I expect from a capable Individual like you to be able to differentiate and form an independent opinion
From the river to the sea has existed a lot longer than Hamas has in in power. A conservative government can't "claim" a half century old chant.
Australia's national animal is a kangaroo. If I draw a kangaroo on the canvas, does it mean I support the dictatorship of Australia? No, of course not. Because Australia doesn't get to own the idea of kangaroos. And Hamas doesn't get to own this chant. This chant is a lot less tied to the views of a conservative government than the German flag it's drawn on.
I always try to decipher their memes because they look funny.
Whenever I can figure one out through context I feel like a genius
Or when you try to read a word aloud and realize it's basically the same as the English word with 50% more consonents.
That's the meme. They translate English expressions, names and brands into German 1:1, disregarding any standing idioms and available translations. Hard to read even as a German native. Struggling to figure out what to OP meant is like 90% of the fun.
Haha, I remember trying to tell a German colleague that another colleague was ‘ingverklerten’ because he had red hair, apparently the German word for ginger is not used to represent colour. Almost as popular as our attempt to call someone a ‘glockenende’ when they had been foolish. Sounds like I should look into ich_iel a bit.
What you should tell your German colleague about the ginger is "Wo das Dach rostig ist, ist der Keller feucht."
But also; rusty crotch, pubes like 13A fuse wire
Fun fact: pubes have the same color as someone's eyebrows.
That means you should start /c/moi_dlvv
Tbh I've kind of forgetten what little French I managed to learn earlier, so this wouldn't work for me either
I'm in the same boat with German sadly. Trying to relearn some though. Ich habe fast alles vorgessen.
Deutsch vergeht, die MaiMais bleiben.
Ich bin eine kleine auflauf
Geben sie mir senf und sauerkraut zu dem bratwurst 😎
Ich bin nicht eine Kartofel !
Boah, Bayern muss echt an Österreich angeschlossen werden.
Wir nehmen'se gern, vastehn tu ma uns, und se wissen wie ma Bier trinkt.
Is this when I put noodles on my head? Never understood that meme
¶∆¶
The legend
Im not a legend. Im just some noodle who is way to active on lemmy
Jaja, @[email protected] kocht da da immer so ein eigenes Süppchen... :)
Fucking treppenwitz in action here
Parle Français tu Hurensohn!
*fils de pute
Je vais «fuckin' subscribe» toute de suite
Moi aussi
Yep idem
Fr fr these guys look like some top tier shit posters.
I speak German and I can confirm, top-tier stuff.
And it's less funny if you translate it into English because part of the joke is literal translations that make no sense in German
I see the memes and laugh because I imagine a German person seeing it and laughing at it.
I'm legit considering getting back to learning German to understand their memes, they look so juicy
I especially liked their sausage starter kit (can't find the meme now)
I studied German in high school but I don't remember any of it. I like to pretend that ich_iel is just using made up nonsense words, like the Swedish Chef muppet.
We're more into dumb sturgeon puns.
And ramen noodle hair, apparently?
That's mostly one dude named "Instantnudeln" and the noodles were to signify his pov in the michmich.
Oh I missed that! Thank you. Also lol @ "mich mich"
To be fair, there’s a shocking number of made up words… that’s part of the fun?
Technically all words are made up!
Comme by [email protected] !
Je pense qu'on est moins nombreux mais on s'y amuse quand même.
Bonjour ! Je suis actuellement en train d'apprendre le Français. Suis-je invité ?
And that's a real freaking stretch for what I know. And apparently I can't pronounce most of it correctly
![email protected] accepts any language. Especially Pascal.
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Roh la la.
Le premier lien marche sans pb, tkt pas
Oui
Bien sûr!
Merci !
C'est le probleme. Je vois !ich_iel tout le temps, mais !rance pas tellement.
Les allemands sont plus nombreux mais on est les plus braves
I took French in high school and barely scraped by. My wife took German and went on an exchange program for six weeks after high school and had a terrific time.
Close to 30 years later and I remember a lot of the French but she's forgotten most of the German.
So who's laughing now, huh?
Oh right, you got to have those six weeks in Germany. Merde.
You won cause you can insult the French in their own language. Your wife had to be in vague proximity with a 1990s French person.
Not as well as the French can insult me for being American. And in perfect English too, most likely.
Define perfect English. Cause you could always lord over them the fact that they have a shitty government entity that used to gorce them to use what amounts to a government enforced dialect.
Meanwhile if I wrote phonetically it would be mildly ineligible, just like my dialect.
Learning French in the US is such a let down. Spanish is the unofficial second national language and German has the best memes.
German jokes are the wurst.
What even is ich_iel?
Me_irl but german.
It’s better because every post with an English word gets
as a response
And yet when I try to SPRICH DEUTCH to actual live Germans they give me a pitying look and firmly reply in perfect English
Such a thing does not exist in Germany.
Only because of their exacting standards. Even when I lived in Germany in the 90s the only time I had trouble understanding someone speaking English was when our realtor was trying to be racist but didn't know the English words.
The bar was “perfect”, not “understandable” English.
See, that is what I mean. Nobody speaks "perfect" English, not even native speakers, because languages are not prescriptive. Their function is to communicate ideas and if you have successfully communicated then you have used language "perfectly".
The bar was "wunder"
Yes the English qualities in Germany itself are a total shitshow compared to the countries around Germany (except France and Italia)
Well yeah, the germans are well known sticklers to rules.
The Germans are well known stickers
The Germans are well known.
The Germans are
They are
Hey I just tried the trick of sounding it out and I got it! Thanks Picard manoeuvre (I still don't know how to ping).
Not anymore. Currently there is a notion to fight against it.
Grammar and syntax aside, it's basically /me_irl for our German-speaking compadres. Most other languages - French included - generally have a community analogous to most of the popular English-language communities.
Ich, im echtem Leben.
me_irl
hugsandkisses
// Änderung: Ich bin der, der dich runtergewählt hat.
You miss all of it. Learn German instead. Drop the French.
F&$#
Excuse my french
Says the guy on a french speaking instance.
In case you're learning French to be able to work at a bigger French company - don't. You will be very unhappy. The basic reason is, French companies, even those who think they're "modern", are still run like Louis XIV's is the CEO. Like an extremely rigid, top-down, feudalistic little empire full of screaming bosses and servile employees.
As a German who speaks french: French is probably the easier language since you don't need to declinate words and only really use 3 forms for time.
Yes but at the same time german writing system is almost phonetic while french have many way to write one sound.
Imagine writing queue and saying Kö
It is not close to being phonetic. It is however quite consistent which is what you were probably thinking of.
I don't get it. How is phontenic defined then?
Nice. Is it a germanic langugage?
TIL
I studied German in high school and then as an adult I traveled to India and studied Malayalam, the language of the southern-most state of Kerala. I was surprised at how similar Malayalam was to German (in terms of grammatical structure, not vocabulary) and learned that it's because of Hermann Gundert, a 19th Century German missionary who learned Malayalam (and a bunch of other Indian languages) and published its first formal grammar, more-or-less imposing German's grammatical structure onto it.
Damn those poor people lol
Fascinating though! Thanks for sharing that
As a swede who have studied both, I think French is way worse.
For me it’s Dutch. The Dutch own late night Lemmy for me and I want to know what I’m missing.
I’ve picked up on Overleden though :(
Dutch looks like someone got really drunk and tried to combine English and German.
No umlauts, just keep adding vowels and it’s more or less done isn’t it?
C'est la merde
Selber
Never too late to learn!Es ist nie zu spät zu lernen!
Es ist nie zu spät zu lernen!Il n'est jamais trop tard pour apprendre.
Merde...
Pro tip, you can use Google lens to translate (if you're like me and don't care as much about my privacy/have an android phone).
You can also type it into a translator
You also could use Llava but the results may not be great
Tu peux apprendre les deux ! Or join us on [email protected]. Sure we are not as active as [email protected] but maybe with your help we will improve (^_^)
Ne nous emballons pas. On parle probablement d'un étasunien.
Sois gentil enfin ! Tu vois bien qu'il fait des efforts. Au polylinguisme les français ne sont pas non plus sur le podium.
Viens donc sur notre instance toi
French and German are similar but you just spit on people with different consonants
Just learn both! But ich_iel has a lot more going on, so prioritise German.
Just wait until you see ![email protected]
What is even plier-english?
The equivalent of "Zangendeutsch". Take an English sentence, translate each word 1:1 and you'll have Zangendeutsch.
Plier English is the opposite. Take a German sentence and translate each word 1:1, ignoring all grammatical structure.
Thanks !
It takes like 3 seconds to screengrab and auto-translate? Gets the joke across like 99% of the time. Always worth it.
French is so difficult to learn because of the pronunciation. Spanish is much easier to learn in comparison. I don't get why all school in Germany prefer French as third language before Spanish.
They do? Well probably because it's their neighbor.
Also long history of french being what different social elites like nobles and intellectuals liked to cosplay, leading to french being kind of a status symbol for being culturally educated
Also I think the more pressing/interesting question is why they don't teach turkish, since ~every 30th person has a turkish backround
Thats the gist. Of course it should be optional, no one said it should be mandatory, and I feel like the defensiveness of that argument is not entirely accidental.
My argument is that learning the language of the majority of immigrants would be testimony of a actually open post-migrant society.
Instead it's "no one migrates to turkey and its economically useless", as if learning french in school would be relevant to the migration of germans to france. Encounters of germans and turskish migrants happens on daily basis though.
Haha okay I automatically assumed I was talking to a techie-alman speaking out of a eurocentric perspective. How the turn tables.
Of course I understand your bias.
And yeah, switzerland... I still think that affects much less people than there are people living and working alongside turkish immigrants. This should motivate seeing turkish culture as valuable in the sense of living the cultural melting pot we created for economic reasons.
I dont understand the turkish part.. something annoys you I guess? Anyway biji kurdistan. (Also not sure how to spell that. In my school they taught french and latin)
I would have thought Germans are too practical for that kind of thing.
The notion of national character might also be deceptive regarding its practicality, specifically to understand culture. Sincerly, practical german
The most populated region at war times was West Germany. It was governed by France after war.
I have no idea if this is actually the reason but we are incredibly thankful for restoring our country by our french friends - which we harassed and killed beforehand.
They still got up to the job.
Understanding the language is great but it's not enough. Unfortunately the majority of stuff posted are inside jokes which is why a lot of people perceive them as unfunny apparently
guys i can read that shit and trust me you're not missing out on anything. if you could read those lame jokes, you'd block the community like i did
I've posted to ich_iel and I think it was funny 🫠
Oh...
Don't listen to him. There is a lot of good stuff.
Expanding your brain by 20% might not go well... that's extra 20% to worry about.
You don't miss that much. They are trying to do edgy dank memes in german. The "culture" they represent is quite white and cleasend from migrant humor.
Its the german version of these alt right pepe memes.
Seriously, you missed nothing.
How is it "cleasend"? Did you mean "cleansed"?
I mean the community is very male and white dominated but not excluding anyone. And more self referential than edgy. What even makes it edgy??
No its obvious that I meant cleasend. 👀
I'm still not sure what exactly you mean but I would love to see immigrant culture on ich_iel and I think most others do too! It's not that the community is hostile or anything and people who don't speak German or things explained when they ask.
How could the community be more inclusive? What would you suggest? Or where do you see active hostility?
They are hostile. There are anti migrant dog whistles all over the sub and a lot more on reddit.
German discrimination is always very "under the hood" and highly sophisticated. You cant be "right and proud" due to the holocaust.
The reality is that the second strongest party has roots to the old NSDAP.
Citation needed
Sure. Any specific fact :) ?
Maybe how a community that has quite a number of anti-CDU memes is dogwhistling nazi code. That the community is German isn't enough to say it is nazi. You can link posts and explain the dogwhistles or maybe decode some common dogwhistles without link. I'm curious to lern the NS background of surgeons.
Edit: For starters here is one opposed to the AfD: https://feddit.org/post/934777
Edit2: Another anti right meme: https://feddit.org/post/953166
You are yet to give me one example or argument or piece of evidence for your bold claims.
Pepe memes are hilarious though. I suppose that is why you specified alt right pepe memes. It is indeed true, lotta right wingers can't meme
Well tell me how exactly a non white culture is supposed to emerge in a country with a non existent colored population, or am i missing some specific meaning here ?
Listen Nazi smooog.
We have 5 Million turks (1st and 2nd gen), 1 Million Syrians and 1 million from all over west Asia and Africa. Out of ~50M adults
w€ aRe sUCH a WhiTE cuLtUrE
Yes thats about 14% of the population ehich are living mostly in cities and usually in blocks with very high percentage of immigrants and very little exchange. I would see it more as living on the same turf than living together... No shared culture emerges from that
Also stop pushing people into categories because you dont like their opinions
Yeah those stupid migrants risked EVERYTHING to come here and live and ghetto's and push weed.
Reality is, they arent allowed to work, and even if they have a job, only german last names get flats in german neighborhoods. And there is actual law which allows racism in that regard. Systematic rasicm is woven with old German racial thinking.
The boxes are fine. You and iel fit well in the neo-nazi box :)
You just said the majority was turks, last time i checked turkey wasn't that bad.
If you need a simple abstraction like those neonazis and us rightful fair progressives or whatever you probably have a simple personality which fits just as well in in of those boxes. Its probably hard to perceive complexity in this position...
Awaiting your enraged answer with amusement, clearly superior person of the internet
Of course it enrages me. Discrimination sucks and I enjoy pointing it out. Idc if you like it or not :)
Quote exactly from MY comments where i wrote something saying " immigrants are bad" or similar...
Edit if you take this seriosly im actally wondering
I had a chat with them yesterday using google translate and apparently they think "From the river to the sea" is problematic. Not sure why, but it's probably their government lying to them and saying Palestine is an ethnostate.
Its problematic because its the Hamas slogan and rejects the existence of israel.
I reject the existence of Israel too. Before Israel, Jews and Arabs lived in peace in Palestine. But Britain invaded, created Israel, and cut Palestine in half. From the river to the sea, Arab Palestinians must be free to walk hand in hand with their Jewish siblings. Not imprisoned behind Israeli walls, forced out of their homes, and bombed in the name of stopping a Hamas government that Israel themselves helped gain power. Hamas is Israel's fault, not the fault of the innocent children in Gaza. Israel is responsible for the attacks against Jews in Israel and in the rest of the world. Because Israel has told the world that Jews are evil colonisers and their existence must be paid for in innocent blood. This is a slanderous lie against the Jewish people! Down with Israel! Down with antisemitism! Down with genocide!
Agreed, but thats still no reason to identify with Hamas. I expect from a capable Individual like you to be able to differentiate and form an independent opinion
From the river to the sea has existed a lot longer than Hamas has in in power. A conservative government can't "claim" a half century old chant.
Australia's national animal is a kangaroo. If I draw a kangaroo on the canvas, does it mean I support the dictatorship of Australia? No, of course not. Because Australia doesn't get to own the idea of kangaroos. And Hamas doesn't get to own this chant. This chant is a lot less tied to the views of a conservative government than the German flag it's drawn on.