Spyke
foggyreply
lemmy.world

Yep. With you.

I'm voting for Joe Harris.

Not happy About voting for a guy who's gonna die and leave us with a cop, even if she would be the first female pres.

Here for it if it ain't the wannabe dictator.

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I also haven't had caffeine yet and assumed a guy named "Joe Harris" was some 3rd party candidate.

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Not sure where I said something different to that sentiment. You're arguing with a void.

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Snapzreply
lemmy.world

Last 4 years of many small and large pieces of progress would differ - a President isn't a single person, it's an administration and a general philosophy for 4 years.

Glad you'll vote, because we vote for Biden so that democracy remains in tact and we retain the right to organize in the streets against Joe in his second term if he doesn't use his second and last term to start approaching the BIG SHIT - Medicare for all, expanding the Supreme Court, immigration court reform, actually punishing people after the inevitable next January 6th, etc.

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CoggyMcFeereply
lemmy.world

He can’t tackle SCOTUS expansion unless we also vote in a solid majority in the Senate, and he can’t tackle Medicare for All unless we vote in a supermajority.

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Maybe, but a "nothing to lose" legacy-sealing presidency could mean that he'd get his administration to exhaust all avenues either way. Any meaningful effort from the bully pulpit towards expansion, term limits etc. Would be unprecedented, historic and drive a needed national conversation. Same goes for Medicare for all.

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We won't do it then, either. We'll just figure out a larger number of senators we'll need to do anything.

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Biden is squarely not a progressive, but he and his administration are technically the most progressive of my lifetime.

It's not enough to be sure, but the above is (bittersweet) objective fact. Otherwise, for the pursuit of policies I mentioned, they are in the context of a final "nothing to lose" term, when old men fixate on sealing legacy. We elect Biden to retain the form of government that lets us openly disagree with him, fill the streets to demand change and make them uneasy of the optics until they bend.

Glad you're making an informed, considered vote at the end of the day.

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Guy who has been acting erratically since his stroke: "Biden seems fine to me!"

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lemmy.world

No one knows more than me that a rough debate is not the sum total of the person and their record,

Let's just hope voters remember that. The Fetterman senate election is a good analogy here. Celeb vs moderate with a speech impediment.

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Now that you mention it, the debates between Fetterman and Oz were a lot like the last presidential debate. Oz was put together and crazy, and Fetterman kinda mumbled his way through and didn't do too well.

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jonnereply
infosec.pub

And what we saw in the debate was more than just a stutter. The man started a point about abortion and somehow ended up with an immigrant raping and murdering a woman.

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Veraxusreply
lemmy.world

He’s not very good at covering up the fact that he’s a full-blown conservative.

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lemmy.world

The speech impediment didn't cause him to declare victory over Medicare.

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Find a single speech he had given pre 2008 where he sounded ANYTHING like he did the other night. Find any speech pre2008 where there is an audible speech impediment.

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jeffwreply
lemmy.world

Not sure what you mean. Biden has a speech impediment, always has. Fetterman had a stroke, so that’s why I said they both had one

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lemmy.world

Find a single speech pre2008 where he sounded anything like he did the other night or any pre2008 speech where there is an audible speech impediment. He may have one but it's not detectable. What you will find through is numerous speeches where he's lying through his teeth or supporting white nationalists and right wing ideology

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jeffwreply
lemmy.world

It’s always been detectable? And if you’re referring to the debate where he was sick, that’s not quite a fair comparison

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Anyone calling his performance at the debate a speech impediment is in 100% denial about what they chose to run the country

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Can we please not have another obvious dementia president like Reagan, or is that just too much to ask for in this county

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