Spyke
teftreply
lemmy.world

I wonder if the ocean will pay for this one.

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zcdreply

You might want to build one to keep the Floridians in

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lemmy.world

And then they're going to have to drive a Chevy there to check if it's dry..

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lemmy.cafe

More than two thirds of Florida adults consider climate change a threat to future generations and say state and local governments should do more to address it, according to a poll released Monday by Florida Atlantic University.

The poll found 68 percent of respondents agreed with the statement that climate change “has them concerned about the well-being of future generations in Florida,” according to a news release from the university. Just 28 percent said state, county and city governments were doing enough to address it. source

It’s not a self-inflicted wound. I am so tired of this misinformation for the sake of pithy humor. Recognize oppression when you see it or you are on the side of fascism.

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Serinusreply
lemmy.world

Yet they're still voting for Republicans. They're enabled this.

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spujbreply
lemmy.cafe

Yes, because decades of gerrymandering, voter suppression, lobbying, political corruption and misinformation campaigns directed toward one of the most educationally underserved states has absolutely no effect on elections.

What you are doing is usually termed victim blaming, so careful.

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lemmy.ca

Be careful? Ease off the drama my man.

77 percent voter turnout and 51 percent voted for Trump. At some point it just becomes a matter of infantalizing people.

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uisreply

infantalizing people.

Did you miss

one of the most educationally underserved states

?

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Sadly technically not true! Look into climate gentrification. Because the housing market is prospective in nature, lower-socioeconomic communities at higher elevations more secure from climate change are being displaced by higher costs of living. It’s quite sad and just one part of the iceberg’s tip. :(

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Mostly the Cubans and old folks from other states who move there for their last decade or two of life. The old folks will be dead before it’s a problem, the Cubans refuse to vote for anyone left of hitler because they hate the idea of another people’s revolution taking their ill-gotten wealth, even though todays Cuban Americans aren’t nearly as powerful as the Cubans that the revolution overthrew.

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they’re still voting for Republicans

Every time I check the Florida election results its "5-4, Republicans win". You Floridians need literally one more vote, but those stupid tankie leftists just won't pitch in.

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Marleyinocreply
lemmy.world

Floridians are still voting Red in droved. Guess something else is more important to them at the polls.

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lemm.ee

They gotta ban abortion and 'save' all the fetuses first so they too can experience the horrors of global warming and climate change under the watchful eye of a theocratic dictatorship.

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Wizreply
midwest.social

What n happens when all the fetuses are underwater? Will they save them then, or swim to higher ground?

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If I understand their thinking it'd be God who caused the flooding so it's okay if fetuses die that way. They were probably gay fetuses anyway and their mothers were probably sinners so God drowned them like in Noah's story.

Okay I'm done. My brain can't handle typing anymore of that horrible bullshit.

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Don't you know fetuses float? The tide will bring them to the true believers, just like Moses on the Nile /s

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bcgm3reply
lemmy.world

Thanks for posting this. I've lived in Florida my whole life, and voted blue-no-matter-who in every election since I was eligible to vote, as do all my friends and family. I try to help others within my sphere of influence to make good political choices, too, and those conversations can be hard. My area has been particularly red for as long as I can remember, and that has only gotten more true in recent years. It often sucks to live here but I am stuck for the foreseeable future, and so I am putting forth the effort to change what I am able.

As such, I have always found it a bit discouraging that so many seem to think that Florida is some hive-mind phenomenon, wherein every eligible person votes against their own best interests in perfect unison. I mean, a lot of them do, obviously -- but the lack of empathy for the rest of us, that's the weird part to me.

Also, this got me curious and I looked up how the voter base skews along party lines, the numbers are way closer than I would have guessed.

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Thanks for sharing. On the behalf of the rest of the “leftist” internet I’d like to apologize.

There’s a lot of demented jokes people make about the underserved and oppressed and I try to do my part to counteract it. :)

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jaschenreply
lemm.ee

Yet they keep voting for the opposite. Is it tribalism or is the data wrong?

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lemmy.world

Recognize oppression when you see it or you are on the side of fascism.

Nonsense. Florida is part of the freest and fairest democracy in the entire history of the universe. If Floridians wanted to do something about climate change, they would simply vote harder.

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spujbreply
lemmy.cafe

i think they didn’t get your satire 🫡 my respects for the effort

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You got to lay it on really thick these days. Humor isn't dying from being woke. It's dying from lack of subtly.

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lemmy.world

I think if you're in Florida, sell now and get out (sucks for whoever's willing to buy). Not just the parts that will be submerged, get out of the whole place because the policies/insurance/laws/taxes are going to go absolutely nuts for the whole state.

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lemmy.ca

I hear Aquaman is ready to scoop up all of those underwater properties!

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My aunt and uncle are buying a house there this year now that the kids are out of the house. We're already only an hour away from the gulf, not sure what else they're trying to find.

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The poster who posted this is not very smart and is just pushing outrage, like they always do.

Read the graphic. The light blue is 5m (over 16 feet) and the other blue is 10m (over 32 feet). The estimate rise is about 2 feet in 2100. So not even the first area.

I hate to downplay the threat of climate change, because it is the biggest existential risk we've ever faced, but people like the OP do a disservice to the risk by posting these intentionally misleading graphics. And pushing things like "omg you have to be dumb to buy a place in Florida" (at least based on this graphic) is something that will likely backfire too.

It's the same dumb shit that conservatives use to claim that it isn't an issue because rich people are buying beach front property.

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Well of course the rich will leave, then even with the gerrymandering Dems or even progressives can take control, just in time to be blamed like Biden for Trump's tax hikes (the cuts were permanent for the rich and temporary followed by hikes for us plebs).

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Don't worry, all those people who are going to lose their homes to raising ocean waters can just sell their property.

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altasshetreply
lemmy.ca

I hear Aquaman is looking to boost his real estate portfolio.

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lemmy.world

I hear Superman can stop California losing its current coastline by flying the opposite direction the Earth is turning really fast.

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Anybody that owns coastal property at this point deserves to lose it. We've known climate change has been coming for decades now, and if they haven't sold by now they're fools.

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lemmy.world

Unfortunately that will flood many of the major cities in Florida, leaving it politically redder...

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MehBlahreply
lemmy.world

You really think all those silver hairs will stay. They will infest alabama and it will barely change a shade.

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Gulf Shores will be long gone by then too, it’s gonna be some new beach near fucking Dothan

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The people will float to the top so there will be a delicious blue creame skin to the state.

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jordanlundreply
lemmy.world

A permanent rise, yes, but storm surges and stuff will make Miami uninhabitable far sooner than that.

Miami elevation is 6 feet? Something like that?

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Glowstickreply
lemmy.world

True, good point, but the general idea still stands. It's gonna be (I'm totally guessing here) like at least another 70 years before sea level rise + storm flooding events will make inland areas uninhabitable

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Serinusreply
lemmy.world

It'll be within the next ten years that it'll get hit by a Katrina-like event.

The models the ICC accepted were all "in line with historical data". So much so that the "Hot Model Problem" became a known thing, models predicting climate change that were too hot for the ICC to accept.

Our models are conservative, likely by a good margin.

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If you read the link i posted you'll see the numbers i quoted are already based on the worst case scenario of prediction ranges, rather than the scenario currently considered most likely. And your claim about a katrina level event happening there seems to be pulled out of nowhere, do you have a source citation for that prediction?

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someguy3reply
lemmy.world

Hurricanes and storms means that you don't need to wait for the full amount of sea level rise. Insurance is already skyrocketing because of the damage.

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lemmy.world

Sea level rise of 5 meters isn’t happening in any of our lifetimes.

Report: 500K South Florida Homes at Risk of Storm Surge

The newly released report highlights the Miami metro area's mass exposure to coastal flooding risk from hurricanes.

...

Often the deadliest element of a hurricane, surge waters from strong storms can rise 15 feet or more above the ordinary sea level, enveloping streets and buildings in coastal areas.

The report found that roughly 7.7 million homes in hurricane-exposed regions in the U.S. are susceptible to storm surge flooding.

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Glowstickreply
lemmy.world

I mean, that's interesting info, but none of it refutes what i said

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lemmy.world

Technically correct, but ultimately irrelevant. Storm surge renders properties below the point of sea-rise height uninhabitable. The fact that its temporary doesn't mitigate the long-term destructive impact it inflicts.

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Glowstickreply
lemmy.world

Not irrelevant, it very much depends on the frequency and severity. Katrina Sandy flooded NYC massively, but it's still extremely inhabited.

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I'm sure that's comforting to the economically underserved that have barriers to contingency plans.

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lemmy.world

This can all be avoided with a pallet of paper towels and a sharpie.

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lemmy.world

Just circle the area of the map where you want the climate change to go.

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Then plant all the paper towels in a cool, moist, & bright environment. By the next morning, Hillary Clinton will have stolen all your guns.

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feddit.de

So, which backwater town will become the next big harbor City?

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PanArabreply
lemm.ee

That's the next real estate boom, better get in early

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uisreply
lemm.ee

tow it through the Panama canal!

I coughed hard

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lemm.ee

Current models predict that climate displaced people in the US generally are all going to begin moving towards the Great Lakes as the least severely impacted parts of the country. Apparently to Wisconsin in particular since it's less already inhabited than the rest of the region.

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lemmy.world

It gets very cold and snowy in the winters but the northern middle west dodge most of the serious tornadoes to the west and south, no significant risk for hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc. Plus a decent source of fresh water if we can keep it clean and not let corpos take it all for free. And not so close to coastal areas to flood or mountains trapping heat.

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Zorsithreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Assuming it's still there, Disney World. Kinda surprised they haven't tried to move it elsewhere by now tbh.

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lemmy.world

If we had a functioning government in the US, this could be less of a problem. I wonder how we get one of those?

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They're all Republicans, about half of them are fucking insane. The other half just wants to run a nice conservative government. They hate each other and will throw any number of us to the wolves in their spite for each other.

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Sippy Cupreply
lemmy.world

Vote for the radical leftists the Republicans have been screaming about.

When another milquetoast moderate wins anyway, consider alternatives.

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uisreply

Is there other red in USSA? You know, communists.

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djsoren19reply
yiffit.net

I mean Floridians could start mitigating the inevitable effects of climate change themselves. It's a lot easier to get a functioning state government, they'd just have to vote for Democrats.

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lemmy.world

Sure, you've got alligators swimming up to your house now, but just remember that for a brief, shining moment . . . profit was made.

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lemmy.world

Anyone on the florida coast knows it's not sea rise alone that will get you.

It's hurricanes.

I'm not on the coast, but let me tell you, the existential dread the last few seasons was real (and proven right with Ian), much less this upcoming season.

Another underappreciated point: most people who live right on the coast now are snowbirds in giant mansions, who can very much afford to lose their vacation home to a hurricane. They don't even live there most of the time.

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I have a friend from high school who had a house collapse on her during Hurricane Ivan and she's on disability for life now.

And that was before the ocean was anywhere near as hot as it is now.

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Venerosoreply
lemmy.world

There's been talk about a category 6.

Every year hurricane season starts earlier, they're bigger, and they go up the coast further.

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lemmy.world

To be fair, they always seem to hit certainl places in certain months. West coast seems to mostly be later season, around the "I" storms.

But yeah, not looking forward to this season.

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Venerosoreply
lemmy.world

The fact that the insurance industry is practically abandoning Florida is a real indicator, despite the noise around it being a hoax.

We're just about at the "It exists but it's too late to do anything about it" stage.

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lemmy.world

What's darkly amusing is how climate change is still too "politically sensitive" to talk about, like it's some big controversial moral argument. Even weather guys talking about hurricane season awkwardly dance around it.

I understand why, I have family that still thinks its all an anti christian hoax... but still.

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lemmy.world

Oh look another Democrat Hoax!
Get out of here with your Al Gore lies!

Look at all that new beachfront property!

also /S

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Yggstylereply
lemmy.world

Not soon enough. I'd love to throw a biblical flood joke in there just to spite the book burners and bible thumpers.

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true dat. i feel for the innocent people caught in the middle though, but i was under the impression it wouldnt take that long for a damaging rise in sea levels.

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lemmy.ca

Yeah bro the same way Al Gore said within 10 years the Kilimanjaro would have no snow. Useful idiots

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people like you will get used to snorkeling to get to the grocery store before they accept climate change is happening.

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Daxtron2reply
startrek.website

The glacial ice on Kilimanjaro has objectively been shrinking for the past century since we started measuring it.

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gimsyreply
feddit.it

The real question would be: was it also shrinking before?

Because if the trend was already negative might not be related to human activities

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lemmy.world

How are you alive today in 2024 and are not aware that there are essentially no people who study the climate for a living who think that the Earth isn't warming and humans are not the cause?

Or is this one of those "I'm not going to listen to any dumb scienticificians when I have Jesus" arguments?

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gimsyreply
feddit.it

You are the only dogmatic one here

I just posed a question, worth thinking about, and you answered with a dogma, which I am not allowed to dispute.

I am not a denier, but I despise you climate Talibans like any other religious fanatic

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lemmy.world

which I am not allowed to dispute.

Who is not allowing you? I don't see any comments deleted. You don't appear to be banned.

you climate Talibans

Please explain exactly how I equate with the Taliban. Details, please.

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gimsyreply
feddit.it

Well reread what I wrote and what you wrote, I think it's pretty obvious

From saying "if it was shrinking before it might not be related too human activities" you went full "how are you alive in 2024..." And answered as if I was denying the god revealed truth

That's a Taliban mentality at work, you don't discuss the truth

If you can't see it, I can't show it to you

BTW do you have the power to ban me? If you don't then, what are you discussing about silencing and banning?

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pyrereply
lemmy.world

i love that you think you posed a question you think no climatologist has thought about before.

"yeah we've been studying this for decades and the climate is definitely warming and the CO2 levels are rising..."

"well, could it be just a regular thing?"

all scientists start looking at each other confused

"uh... we didn't check..."

congratulations on being the first to ask questions.

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anyhow do you know the answer? Because I'd have a ton of questions, since the argument is complex and I don't like the hand-wavy argument "well he expert say so"

Experts, scientists, luminaries in their field were prescribing lobotomies to mentally ills and castrations to gay people less than 100 years ago, so yes please always listen to the experts, but keep doubting their answers

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All climatologist on this thread, please raise your hand

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gimsyreply
feddit.it

Can you elaborate a bit?

I know that some icers on the Alps have been shrinking since the last 120 years (more or less since we started measuring them) a bit too early IMO for humans to be the cause, yet the melting has significantly accelerated in the last 30-40 years (which is likely to be correlated to human activities)

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Daxtron2reply
startrek.website

Sure. We've taken ice cores out of glaciers that are super long. Basically there's an isotope of Oxygen that strongly correlates to air temperatures that we can measure at different levels of the core. We know roughly how much ice gets deposited onto the glacier every year so we can extrapolate how long ago each layer was deposited and then measure that isotope to get an estimate of how warm it was that winter going back a few thousand years. Taking that data and combining it with modern temperature readings we can see a sharp uptick around the late 19th century where increased human greenhouse gas output begins.

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gimsyreply
feddit.it

But that's about the local temperature of the year, it says nothing about the glaciers shrinking or expanding, also if glaciers are shrinking, wouldn't we lose some readings? I mean if the glacier this year is smaller than last year, means that we have lost at least one year readings (most likely much more than that), not to mention that it contradicts that ice gets deposited every year.

It is my understanding that glaciers expand and shrink seasonally every year, and lately the expansion (if any) is always smaller than the shrinking, but it is a trend that started more than 100y ago (basically since when we started keeping record) and has been accellerating, because of this how can you extrapolate when to start dating in reverse? If you never saw a the, let's call it inflationary phase, how do you know when it reversed? The error might be small... or not

Is there an error in my reasoning (or my assumptions)? Consider that I am not the only one having this doubts.

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Most of the glacial loss, especially on higher elevations, is from sublimation and not directly melting. That doesnt cause the loss of the measurable isotopes.

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Crikestereply
lemm.ee

Useful idiots? Who’s the one buying the lies of the fossil fuel industry?

Sounds like you’re the one being used.

You rich? You better be. Otherwise leopards love faces.

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lemmy.world

Being rich isn't going to save your beachfront property from the next super hurricane. The leopards will be eating everyone's faces.

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lemmy.world

But they can just sell their houses if the water levels rise, Mr. Shapiro told me so.

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pyrereply
lemmy.world

ax noises

"JUST ONE SMALL PROBLEM...."

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Hey now, auqa man is royality, and the kingdom of atlantis could do with a housing expansion!

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But Lord Emperor Trump sold me this Bible and said that the Lord wouldn't flood the earth again!?

Also this hat, whenever I wear it, people key my Ford F150.

Jokes on you Prius! You can have all the vegan fart sniffing you want while I roll coal!

'Murica!

(Also /s)

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