Same here. On reddit I have mostly only been a commenter, I made perhaps five posts over all my years there, virtually all of my 40k karma or so was from commenting.
And while I do that here too of course I am trying to contribute content as well, like asking Linux questions which may eventually help promoting Lemmy through search engine relevance. Of course it doesn't hurt that Linux is probably the biggest common denominator amongst Lemmy users, so the chance for useful replies is much higher than trying to get a niche community going.
I came over during the API bullshit. I was very active on Reddit but then learned about the fediverse and how great this is here. I post daily to try to help out.
Yeah on Reddit I made 12 posts in 12 years. I’ve made over 10x that number on Lemmy in less than 1 year. Caring about the platform makes a big difference in my desire to engage and contribute.
Same. I think it's the smaller size of the community that mainly contributes to me posting more.
On reddit, if my post interests the same percentage of people I will have a lot more answer which makes it impossible to engage with all of them. And since people are less likely to respond I stopped posting on Reddit altogether.
And knowing that the community (that I've curated anyway) is generally not toxic and overly hostile, especially to civil discourse. That fosters trust that if I engage, I'm not going to be downvoted and socially shunned because of some minor community fixation.
Likewise. It’s unlike me, but I’m here to be the life of the party to the extent that I’m able and willing. I care too much about users in control of their own communities not to participate. I hope my drop in the bucket helps bring and maintain critical mass.
I feel like the money side of the internet has pushed people that way, and pushing for forced positivity as well, like Youtube taking away the downvote button, Facebook has never even had one.
I only posted on reddit a few times, but nearly everyone was met with some weird hate, one was just a cool ohot9 of a bar I took, here tho, I've posted shit and I might get a somewhat negative comment maybe if I'm really unlucky, but mostly its been fun and made me want tonpost stuff, even if it is something stupid.
This place is better just because we know how bad it can be and we actively try to not be like that, to the best of our abilities.
Plus when you do come across a jerk, blocking them actually matters because there are so few people here. On reddit it's an infinite sea of douchebags.
Me rn. Yeah I'm definitely here to contribute to a better future, not just wanting to look at shitposts on something other than the official Reddit app.
At this point I know that data on my thoughts, opinions and interests is going to be out there one way or another. So I might as well share it with everyone on the Fediverse, via open, accessible platforms rather than wait for big tech to take it from me.
Considering how big companies try selling our info out to other companies having everyone's data be open source is really going to ruin their profits as everyone has free access to the info that Facebook and such are trying to charge for
Reddit is literally the only non-user ran social media platform I ever used. Before that, I was using random PHPBB forums hosted by people like those who are hosting Lemmy instances or using IRC chat rooms.
It's kind of an eternal September feeling seeing the Internet only take off in the main stream because of big tech and corporate bullshit when all they did is provide the same kind of spaces that already existed and then make them suck.
It kinda sucks that cryptobros have ruined the term decentralized for most people, because decentralization is exactly what we need right now. Not the fake single-server multi-app decentralization of the blockchain, but the real multi-server multi-app decentralization of the fediverse.
He said p2p file sharing. It seems like it could solve the problem for Mango.
But honestly I would like to know what Mango was doing back in the day before all the “middle men” inserted themselves. What is the ideal solution if you could snap your fingers and make it happen?
I have no horse in this fight, but just off the top of my head agreed on standards for p2p file transfers. A baked in utility that makes sending and receiving files would go a long way towards bringing the feature to every day users and the standards mean the power user can send and receive files from their favorite CLI or choose from one of many paid and open source options. Both users can send and receive back and forth to each other without having to agree upon a third party client, or without a client at all.
If they are, then only because of their pretty aggressive monetization. Regardless, a monopoly like YouTube is still worth a lot, even if just for how it influences the thoughts and opinions of people.
I don't see how resources of that scale could be financed with only donations, and without subscription models and heavy advertising. Maybe the creators could be asked to pay for the platform too, but let's not give them ideas.
Regarding video platforms, the status quo is preferable for me. YouTube offers a large amount of content and convenience, and the anti features like advertisement and enshittification are not yet too bad and can be blocked with technology.
Google will try their hardest to capitalize the data on lemmy.
They will crawl our data and will try to associate it with a real person by cross-referencing as many digital fingerprints they can get their grubby hands on, just so that they can send an advertisement when we browse the internet.
I implore to the people of Lemmy to not use their real name on the website, unless it's for publicity.
But this needs to done with the help of the instance owner.
It's possible but they can only do it for one instance at a time. That's the beauty of a distributed system. It's not possible to affect the entire fediverse.
But, I'm pretty sure they are harvesting our data pretty hard because all this is prime data, free from bots. But chances of influence is slim.
I kinda think the whole point of currency is a central method of exchanging value. If everyone used different currencies, it wouldn't be any better than bartering.
How is the situation today different than it was back then? I know we don't base our money on gold any more, but it's not like there were much fewer currencies back in the day right? More like there was more since the Euro has eaten up many currencies. I'm not a currency expert, genuinely asking
Hmm interesting. I'm not sure a gold-backed currency and a currency as it is today is so different, but I'm not really qualified to talk about this so I'll just leave it at that.
Lemmy might not be the future. The mods are just as oversensitive and overzealous as the Reddit mods. I was banned from the Vegan forum for telling them that they are never going to convince meat eaters to stop eating meat based on animal rights issues, because nobody cared about animal rights like they do. Sorry, but its true. I have also had an entire comment chain deleted from an Unpopular Opinion thread--I don't even care to go back and check what it was all about, but I can guarantee it was because I wasn't conforming to popular opinion.
And this is happening to a person that is generally in tune with everything people are saying here--I can't imagine the valuable insights that we may be losing to moderator action that I never even get to see.
I'm uninterested in dividing the group and speaking to an echo chamber. The only place it matters are the places people don't automatically agree with you, and me with them.
You are in an echo-chamber. Lemmy.world intentionally defederates from instances with significant ideological differences, you may wish to pick something like Lemm.ee instead.
Lemmy.world in particular attracts people interested in a generalist instance, itself an attraction of a specific type.
The point of federation is curation of experience. You can pick a niche instance with a broad federation list so that you can have like-minded discussions in local and a broad exposure when sorting by all.
For any community (or even post) you are in, there is a "Modlog" green button on the side bar. If I see a removed comment I click on it to see what was removed and typically 99% of it is legitimate. The only downside (which I've been meaning to make a post mentioning it), is if someone is banned it auto-deletes all of their comments but doesn't show each individual one. If you're looking for a perfect system of which people can't abuse mod powers ... well good luck and definitely let me know if you ever find it lol.
You went to a niche forum and told them what they believe in is stupid?
Our deleted comments are stored on modlog. You honestly don't have many deleted comments. We all get angry, it happens. Some discussions are just better to leave alone than deal with.
Many of your deleted comments are over the top arguments. Yes I get that "over the top is subjective" but we have discussions about genocide that are calmer than your discussions about terrible mechanics who are so terrible... that you imagine them going to vote for abortion bans and transgender mistreatment. Another comment you made fun of the person's body (you also assumed their gender I guess) for not agreeing with you on how loud cars on.
We all get laughed at here. Happens to all of us. I got called the "embodiment" of a particular meme. Someone is going always going to disagree with me about something, they can just block me if it becomes an issue.
Lemmy is not perfect but it's so much better than the alternatives. The reason why Lemmy is awesome is because its developers (self identifying tankies) would NEVER have a platform to discuss what they want. They had to build one that was impervious to pushing them into a corner on their own server/instance.
(I'm not referring to you here.) Oh the irony going out of your way to find tankie content (none of it shows up on Lemmy.world) and antagonizing them on the software they created in a way where their view isn't rammed down your throat in the first place.
I am not sure I even knew there was a mod log. Tried to find it in my app--didn't see it, but maybe I just missed it. I wanted to see which comment I made that was making fun of someone's body, because that -doesn't- sound like something I'd do unless they'd made an equally annoying remarks first. But it's good to hear the mod log exists at all.
The usual work flow is that I'll comment on something people don't agree with, and multiple (2-5) people will jump on my comment with pointless insults and dumb counter-arguments, and there's no way I am going to handle more than one person at a time with kids gloves. I'm not even projecting controversial opinions imo (unless they hate cars lawl). I'm usually already on the same side as everyone else, and they just disagree with my interpretation when the whole point of the conversation was to suggest that there might be alternative strategies, instead of doing the same thing they have been doing that hasn't been successful since the dawn of time (or whatever)
Ridiculous.
I'm mostly annoyed by the vegan thing I mentioned originally--I'm not vegan, but I do like animals and it's annoying to see them use the dumbest strategies in the world. They almost make me want to eat more animals just to spite them for being so out of touch.
Yeah, sometimes I feel there are people who are kind of coming together here when they find something they disagree with. There's nothing we can do about that. edit: Likewise, people who agree with what I said are also free to reply to the person I disagreed with as well. It works both ways.
You can always find a link to the modlog at the bottom of every page in the desktop web version of any Lemmy instance. You can search for any user on a federated instance. No need typing "@" symbol.
Federated communities have been a challenge to me, because I've usually been a passive consumer, never really contributing.
I am trying to comment much more and hopefully post, because I want to help contribute the type of content that I want to see!
Same here. On reddit I have mostly only been a commenter, I made perhaps five posts over all my years there, virtually all of my 40k karma or so was from commenting.
And while I do that here too of course I am trying to contribute content as well, like asking Linux questions which may eventually help promoting Lemmy through search engine relevance. Of course it doesn't hurt that Linux is probably the biggest common denominator amongst Lemmy users, so the chance for useful replies is much higher than trying to get a niche community going.
I came over during the API bullshit. I was very active on Reddit but then learned about the fediverse and how great this is here. I post daily to try to help out.
This was me on reddit...
https://www.reddit.com/user/return2ozma/
That's a lot of karma lol
glad you are putting those memeposting skills to use here now
Yeah on Reddit I made 12 posts in 12 years. I’ve made over 10x that number on Lemmy in less than 1 year. Caring about the platform makes a big difference in my desire to engage and contribute.
Same. I think it's the smaller size of the community that mainly contributes to me posting more.
On reddit, if my post interests the same percentage of people I will have a lot more answer which makes it impossible to engage with all of them. And since people are less likely to respond I stopped posting on Reddit altogether.
And knowing that the community (that I've curated anyway) is generally not toxic and overly hostile, especially to civil discourse. That fosters trust that if I engage, I'm not going to be downvoted and socially shunned because of some minor community fixation.
Likewise. It’s unlike me, but I’m here to be the life of the party to the extent that I’m able and willing. I care too much about users in control of their own communities not to participate. I hope my drop in the bucket helps bring and maintain critical mass.
I suspect when you look at the internet as a whole, this is how most people are.
Scroll, scroll, scroll, thumbs up, scroll, scroll, scroll, heart, scroll, scroll, scroll, eggplant eggplant flag.
I feel like the money side of the internet has pushed people that way, and pushing for forced positivity as well, like Youtube taking away the downvote button, Facebook has never even had one.
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https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/rat-selfies-1.7093886
I've never been a fan of up or down votes. I think they only make sense for communities of a scale that is (increasingly) less interesting to me.
Yeah, I'm actually surfing reddit and lemmy together and I noticed the votes are misleading me on reddit.
every top post is some propaganda and the real stuff is either hidden or downvoted to hell.
I only posted on reddit a few times, but nearly everyone was met with some weird hate, one was just a cool ohot9 of a bar I took, here tho, I've posted shit and I might get a somewhat negative comment maybe if I'm really unlucky, but mostly its been fun and made me want tonpost stuff, even if it is something stupid.
This place is better just because we know how bad it can be and we actively try to not be like that, to the best of our abilities.
Plus when you do come across a jerk, blocking them actually matters because there are so few people here. On reddit it's an infinite sea of douchebags.
Me rn. Yeah I'm definitely here to contribute to a better future, not just wanting to look at shitposts on something other than the official Reddit app.
I like shitposts, though.
As well as the other stuff!
Yeah me too, it was supposed to be sarcastic if that didn't come through.
Sarcasm doesn't come naturally to everyone. You're doing great, though. Really. Super job.
This is my favorite gif.
She looks adorkable.
That's so wholesome :)
Chef’s kiss on this perfect react
she cute
Lily Mo Sheen, Kate Beckinsale's daughter.
At this point I know that data on my thoughts, opinions and interests is going to be out there one way or another. So I might as well share it with everyone on the Fediverse, via open, accessible platforms rather than wait for big tech to take it from me.
Considering how big companies try selling our info out to other companies having everyone's data be open source is really going to ruin their profits as everyone has free access to the info that Facebook and such are trying to charge for
That's what I'm going for. The way to win against big tech is to not play their game.
Reddit is literally the only non-user ran social media platform I ever used. Before that, I was using random PHPBB forums hosted by people like those who are hosting Lemmy instances or using IRC chat rooms.
It's kind of an eternal September feeling seeing the Internet only take off in the main stream because of big tech and corporate bullshit when all they did is provide the same kind of spaces that already existed and then make them suck.
I miss the "non commercial" Internet of yesteryears...
I was too late to see that and still miss it... So glad projects like the fediverse are trying to bring it back
It kinda sucks that cryptobros have ruined the term decentralized for most people, because decentralization is exactly what we need right now. Not the fake single-server multi-app decentralization of the blockchain, but the real multi-server multi-app decentralization of the fediverse.
bit torrent is the goat decentralized platform
Oh thats why I'm here. Can't do much, but I can shitpost. I believe in what you guys are doing 🤘
They not only stole and sold it, they weaponised it. I find that the most unforgivable part. Burn it down, we will shine brighter. :)
PS, luv you guys. Ty for keeping me company.
Thanks for keeping me entertained,
Faithfully, A lurker
💗
You’re welcome and thank you. And you’re welcome. But also, thank you!
No, no...Thank YOU!
You are breathtaking!
I'm doing my part too!
yay, I love starship troopers references
Would you like to know more?
Total ripoff of Helldivers!
I have absolutely nothing to take credit for regarding this.
You're welcome.
Who are you again, one of the most prolific prominent highest quality posters on the fediverse or something?
Maybe I’m confusing you with SwimmingEagle
I admit nothing.
Directing further inquiries to counsel
Yeah Flying Squid is good people
You help keep Lemmy very alive, just like me!
Hooray us!
Try to take this as a compliment: do you even sleep? Damn
Yes, in about 10 minutes.
Me with my monthly 7 word comment
Thank you for your service
Preach it!
It's way now than just Google. Ever try sending someone a file but you don't want a middle man and aren't carrying a thumb drive?
There isn’t really a shortage of p2p file sharing services
Did you even read what I said?
Yes, and I am telling you that you are incorrect to assert that sending someone a file requires a middle man or a thumb drive.
Perhaps a more thorough explanation of your answer would help?
There's lots of options if you self host. Would you like a link?
I guess I don't log in enough. Sorry for a late reply. Yes, a link would be nice.
Haha, no problem.
https://awesome-selfhosted.net/tags/file-transfer---peer-to-peer-filesharing.html
I think this is what you were looking for? :)
They have a number of options for different file shares, check the sidebar.
[email protected] got a mention in this list. Shameless plug. Theres more private ones on the sidebar.
He said p2p file sharing. It seems like it could solve the problem for Mango.
But honestly I would like to know what Mango was doing back in the day before all the “middle men” inserted themselves. What is the ideal solution if you could snap your fingers and make it happen?
I have no horse in this fight, but just off the top of my head agreed on standards for p2p file transfers. A baked in utility that makes sending and receiving files would go a long way towards bringing the feature to every day users and the standards mean the power user can send and receive files from their favorite CLI or choose from one of many paid and open source options. Both users can send and receive back and forth to each other without having to agree upon a third party client, or without a client at all.
"Google sucks"
"keep making YouTube videos"
"...they said in a YouTube video. Heh. Gotcha!"
Quite literally.
Solidarity!
Posting is praxis
It's just sad that some of the biggest instances hate content and push out creators. I'm glad there are many that keep up the good fight though!
What do you mean, hate content? That can't be what it sounds like. Do you mean a certain type of content?
Do tell more?
Counterpoint: no single one of us is as stupid as all of us put together. :-)
nor as smart ;)
Btw, YouTube is owned by Google.
PeerTube might be a better idea. It's part of the Fediverse.
Just saying.
It is a kind of war, and video hosting is territory still owned by the megacorps. It's just something where their resources are very needed.
It is. Video storage and streaming are very expensive. I don't think YouTube is even making a profit.
If they are, then only because of their pretty aggressive monetization. Regardless, a monopoly like YouTube is still worth a lot, even if just for how it influences the thoughts and opinions of people.
I don't see how resources of that scale could be financed with only donations, and without subscription models and heavy advertising. Maybe the creators could be asked to pay for the platform too, but let's not give them ideas.
Regarding video platforms, the status quo is preferable for me. YouTube offers a large amount of content and convenience, and the anti features like advertisement and enshittification are not yet too bad and can be blocked with technology.
I agree. I think YouTube is a necessary evil for now, even if It's a huge monopoly.
Over time, I assume resources should become cheaper and easier to manage/use. Making it easier for competitors or decentralization.
I bring you sovcits so Google can't capitalize on their crazy, you're welcome.
Google will try their hardest to capitalize the data on lemmy. They will crawl our data and will try to associate it with a real person by cross-referencing as many digital fingerprints they can get their grubby hands on, just so that they can send an advertisement when we browse the internet.
I implore to the people of Lemmy to not use their real name on the website, unless it's for publicity.
Wait we aren’t supposed to use our real names? Shit.
Getting a lot of Time magazine person of the year feelings from that text image.
I just hate that when switching instances I can't take my content with me. Instances go down the drain constantly and then so much stuff gets lost.
If
Hey, so why does the fediverse think it is immune to corportization?
Id imagine its quite a bit easier to influence a system like lemmy than a closed loop.
Not yet.
What corporation owns Lemmy? What profit does it stand to make?
Information is profit.
External influence? Maybe. We'd been having more conflicts with the people who owned the closed loop.
I just hope the corpos don't find our most representative instance with the richest subscribers: hexbear.
How corpo can affect a Lemmy instance
But this needs to done with the help of the instance owner. It's possible but they can only do it for one instance at a time. That's the beauty of a distributed system. It's not possible to affect the entire fediverse.
But, I'm pretty sure they are harvesting our data pretty hard because all this is prime data, free from bots. But chances of influence is slim.
I kinda think the whole point of currency is a central method of exchanging value. If everyone used different currencies, it wouldn't be any better than bartering.
How is the situation today different than it was back then? I know we don't base our money on gold any more, but it's not like there were much fewer currencies back in the day right? More like there was more since the Euro has eaten up many currencies. I'm not a currency expert, genuinely asking
Hmm interesting. I'm not sure a gold-backed currency and a currency as it is today is so different, but I'm not really qualified to talk about this so I'll just leave it at that.
I mean I'm down for local money
Not really convertible, but good for radishes and such
It'll have to be everything simultaneously. The world's a mess.
Lemmy might not be the future. The mods are just as oversensitive and overzealous as the Reddit mods. I was banned from the Vegan forum for telling them that they are never going to convince meat eaters to stop eating meat based on animal rights issues, because nobody cared about animal rights like they do. Sorry, but its true. I have also had an entire comment chain deleted from an Unpopular Opinion thread--I don't even care to go back and check what it was all about, but I can guarantee it was because I wasn't conforming to popular opinion.
And this is happening to a person that is generally in tune with everything people are saying here--I can't imagine the valuable insights that we may be losing to moderator action that I never even get to see.
Then start your own instance, or join one that aligns with your values instead of a generalist instance.
The issue with Reddit is systemic and foundational, but Lemmy gives users the tools they need to fix their problems.
I'm uninterested in dividing the group and speaking to an echo chamber. The only place it matters are the places people don't automatically agree with you, and me with them.
You are in an echo-chamber. Lemmy.world intentionally defederates from instances with significant ideological differences, you may wish to pick something like Lemm.ee instead.
Lemmy.world in particular attracts people interested in a generalist instance, itself an attraction of a specific type.
The point of federation is curation of experience. You can pick a niche instance with a broad federation list so that you can have like-minded discussions in local and a broad exposure when sorting by all.
I switched from world to ee and enjoy interacting with ml grad and hexbear users ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Lemm.ee fulfills the "show me everything except CSAM" role much better than Lemmy.world, which is just Reddit 2, IMO.
Maybe I'll do this. If even just to argue with people who are more extremist who will handle my opinions even poorer. Lol.
Go for it. Lemm.ee's local feed is... interesting... but the All feed contains far more than Lemmy.world does.
Lemmy.ml is federated with more instances than Lemmy.world as well, but is also focused on FOSS and Privacy, so the local feed is more curated.
For any community (or even post) you are in, there is a "Modlog" green button on the side bar. If I see a removed comment I click on it to see what was removed and typically 99% of it is legitimate. The only downside (which I've been meaning to make a post mentioning it), is if someone is banned it auto-deletes all of their comments but doesn't show each individual one. If you're looking for a perfect system of which people can't abuse mod powers ... well good luck and definitely let me know if you ever find it lol.
You went to a niche forum and told them what they believe in is stupid?
Our deleted comments are stored on modlog. You honestly don't have many deleted comments. We all get angry, it happens. Some discussions are just better to leave alone than deal with.
Many of your deleted comments are over the top arguments. Yes I get that "over the top is subjective" but we have discussions about genocide that are calmer than your discussions about terrible mechanics who are so terrible... that you imagine them going to vote for abortion bans and transgender mistreatment. Another comment you made fun of the person's body (you also assumed their gender I guess) for not agreeing with you on how loud cars on.
We all get laughed at here. Happens to all of us. I got called the "embodiment" of a particular meme. Someone is going always going to disagree with me about something, they can just block me if it becomes an issue.
Lemmy is not perfect but it's so much better than the alternatives. The reason why Lemmy is awesome is because its developers (self identifying tankies) would NEVER have a platform to discuss what they want. They had to build one that was impervious to pushing them into a corner on their own server/instance.
(I'm not referring to you here.) Oh the irony going out of your way to find tankie content (none of it shows up on Lemmy.world) and antagonizing them on the software they created in a way where their view isn't rammed down your throat in the first place.
I am not sure I even knew there was a mod log. Tried to find it in my app--didn't see it, but maybe I just missed it. I wanted to see which comment I made that was making fun of someone's body, because that -doesn't- sound like something I'd do unless they'd made an equally annoying remarks first. But it's good to hear the mod log exists at all.
The usual work flow is that I'll comment on something people don't agree with, and multiple (2-5) people will jump on my comment with pointless insults and dumb counter-arguments, and there's no way I am going to handle more than one person at a time with kids gloves. I'm not even projecting controversial opinions imo (unless they hate cars lawl). I'm usually already on the same side as everyone else, and they just disagree with my interpretation when the whole point of the conversation was to suggest that there might be alternative strategies, instead of doing the same thing they have been doing that hasn't been successful since the dawn of time (or whatever)
Ridiculous.
I'm mostly annoyed by the vegan thing I mentioned originally--I'm not vegan, but I do like animals and it's annoying to see them use the dumbest strategies in the world. They almost make me want to eat more animals just to spite them for being so out of touch.
Yeah, sometimes I feel there are people who are kind of coming together here when they find something they disagree with. There's nothing we can do about that. edit: Likewise, people who agree with what I said are also free to reply to the person I disagreed with as well. It works both ways.
https://lemmy.world/modlog
You can always find a link to the modlog at the bottom of every page in the desktop web version of any Lemmy instance. You can search for any user on a federated instance. No need typing "@" symbol.