Skip episode 1, "Encounter at Farpoint". It sucks all around. Watch it later if you're really curious but don't say I didn't warn you.
If you want to check out a "representative" episode, see Season 5 Episode 2.
(edit: the episode is named Darmok) You don't have to know everything going in, it's self-contained. If you like the episode you'll like Star Trek.
I remember really liking Encounter at Farpoint when i was a kid
Rewatching it more recently, I realized Diana's "PAIN! I FELL PAIN!" was her sensing the audience's reaction to the horrible episode
Like... It had a single episode worth of good episode in there but they left the other half in that should have hit the editing room floor
ETA: I had to look up what season 5 episode 2 is, and yes, that's an excellent representation
I'd argue that the second pilot of the original series, "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is also a excellent overall introduction to Star Trek: cerebral rather than action oriented, the focus on the people and their relationships both with each other and their own humanity, asking questions of the audience to make us think, solid message ("absolute power corrupts absolutely")...
But definitely skip the original pilot, The Cage, in its standalone form. Watching that, we were damned lucky it didn't get shitcanned fully right then and there
Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is? That is giving importance/energy to the wrong thing. I didn't even really notice nor care who he was (and still don't). That said, I don't generate memes with him in it so I guess I'm doing my part. 🤷🏻♂️
Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is?
Because he doesn’t deserve to be the guy in the meme. Think about all the other actually cool people who have been immortalized in silly memes, a lot of times they get interviewed and it is really funny. Everybody enjoys on some level that the person in the funny meme they are looking at is actually a real human being who has the goofy honor of being famous for the really specific, niche context of that meme.
Why give that joy to a complete asshole and loser? Why give it to a media personality who spreads hate? Who cares if nobody recognizes who Crowder is, Crowder doesn’t even deserve to be interfaced with as an anonymous white dude in a meme, it takes away the necessary shame Crowder should experience at every interface with the broader public.
Most memes have nothing to do with the person in the meme. I doubt crowder himself made the meme, even if he did it doesn't really matter as the meme has transcended the person st this point.
Are you genuinely struggling to understand why people who think he's actively saying hateful shit about trans people wouldn't necessarily want to increase his presence in the general Zeitgeist?
Or did you just want to slip in the "stereotypical white guy" dog whistle?
If you are actually struggling, i can probably help.
imagine a person saying horrible shit about you, specifically.
Now imagine they have a platform where they say this hateful shit to lots of people, enough that you sometimes run across these people and they also say hateful shit to you, perhaps worse.
Now imagine an unrelated meme is made with this persons face on it and you see it 5,10,15 times a week.
Now imagine that the comments on most of these memes feature a whole bunch of people defending this person and agreeing with the hateful shit they said about you.
I'd imagine that's why some people care.
Genuine question though, what would be the right thing to give the energy/importance to in this scenario?
Only because he's white. If he was black, I would have said stereotypical black. I wasn't addressing this at you. I'll edit to say stereotypical douche bagfrat boy turd thing.
This is why giving importance to "not the focus" of the message gets in the way. Now we aren't talking about -insert meme here- anymore. We are talking about someone's personal issue with how I phrased something. Honestly, just proves the point of getting distracted by irrelevant things.
Here is a wiki source (insert error bars here) discussion of his stance on his work being officially licensed. He thought that use of his work outside of a comic strip would cheapen the value of the strip itself. This was frusterating as a child (who wouldn't want a fucking Hobbes plushy) but now later I can see that it was at the very least a very defensible choice. Compare how people feel about C&H vs something that was commercialized to death like Garfield. Anyway, hope it's useful.
I mean, not really though. He fought to keep companies from merchandizing C&H, mainly because he “wanted to keep the characters pure to every reader’s internal voice.” Basically to keep companies from turning it into a shitty profit center or bastardizing it with a cartoon, etc. I don’t think he really said anything or would have a problem with fans using the images to share stuff, y’know?
Becoming a meme format is a great way to strip all of the original context for most, just look at the point of this thread. Just because it's C+H isn't going to stop that.
Like we saw with the bumper stickers, it wasn't just the stupid Ford v Chevy thing, it was that anyone wanting to make a stupid point on their bumper sticker was lending Calvin's voice to their own stupid crusade.
Cancel Culture, Woke, Communism... When you don't understand a lot about the modern world, you just start using words and phrases you also don't understand to mean "I dislike this"
This isn't cancel culture though. You are proving my point.
And my last post wasn't a straw man either... It was describing people who use terms they don't understand to express their dislike of things. It's literally you. In this thread.
I mean... I guess it could be that you're knowingly misusing it just to create anger and division. But you wouldn't do that, would you? That would make -you- the problem.
Again, what do you mean by cancel culture? The original comment was asking for people to honour Watterson's view that Calvin should not be used outside the comic. Who was being cancelled and how?
So you don't actually have an explanation. Chowder is a bigot, and people shouldn't give him a platform. You defending him is consigning his bigotry.
Also he hasn't been cancelled, nor is he likely to be.
Are you upset that people don't like him and are speaking out against him? Or is it a larger disdain about the practice of speaking out against people and calling for them to be excluded?
If it is the second one, Chowder makes his money that way, and participates in a practice you claim to disdain.
Though I think it's the first beacuse you like what he says.
If you don't know how shitty of a person Steven Crowder is, take a look at this video (tw: verbal abuse) of him berating his pregnant wife.
His whole thing with "Change My Mind" is him going around to college campuses and debate-lording unprepared college students, and at the first sign of losing he weasels out.
Without something like this, I could have gone my whole life not knowing who he was or his opinions. I bet most people are in that boat. Also, it's not like he makes money from the meme format.
Maybe the change my mind meme should just be avoided entirely rather than creating a replacement as it's just giving the bigot more publicity and letting more people know thier name when you complain about it being used rather than the replacement.
On the flip side, I say we continue to use them. Let his legacy be something completely out of his control, and let him learn that while he's still alive.
And some people have a far worse starting point for knowledge depending on the preexisting information they were given
Hell I look at the things I said over 15 years ago and I hate that I had said such hurtful things about groups of people that not only now do I call my friends but some of them I have called my significant others as well
BTW I'm not sure what they said as their comment was gone before I got here
And some people have a far worse starting point for knowledge depending on the preexisting information they were given
Exactly. As the person responded with the link on Wikipedia about existence of third genders, I find that those who are anti-lgbt were just conditioned as such because of either religion, or plain homophobia, or both. I've lived in both religious and non-religious countries, and the former have anti-lgbt sentiment for obvious reasons. Meanwhile, homophobia in the latter-- especially in Europe--are more motivated by sheer disgust on non-heteronormative genders and less about religion. But I still think that the anti-lgbt sentiment by many Europeans is a residue and offshoot from patriarchal and homophobic teachings of Christianity.
Hey look, another bigot who can't tell the difference between gender, sex, and the congressional industrial military complex. It must be confusing thinking that non-binary people might be tanks or cruise missiles or whatever. But it gets easier to figure out once you get that high school diploma.
The sign commands it
Counterpoint: The rest of the Fediverse can see it too so it's not just for Lemmy.
Can I get a blank version my man
Can you recommend me where to get started with Star Trek?
Star Trek The Next Generation
Skip episode 1, "Encounter at Farpoint". It sucks all around. Watch it later if you're really curious but don't say I didn't warn you.
If you want to check out a "representative" episode, see Season 5 Episode 2. (edit: the episode is named Darmok) You don't have to know everything going in, it's self-contained. If you like the episode you'll like Star Trek.
I remember really liking Encounter at Farpoint when i was a kid
Rewatching it more recently, I realized Diana's "PAIN! I FELL PAIN!" was her sensing the audience's reaction to the horrible episode
Like... It had a single episode worth of good episode in there but they left the other half in that should have hit the editing room floor
ETA: I had to look up what season 5 episode 2 is, and yes, that's an excellent representation
I'd argue that the second pilot of the original series, "Where No Man Has Gone Before" is also a excellent overall introduction to Star Trek: cerebral rather than action oriented, the focus on the people and their relationships both with each other and their own humanity, asking questions of the audience to make us think, solid message ("absolute power corrupts absolutely")...
But definitely skip the original pilot, The Cage, in its standalone form. Watching that, we were damned lucky it didn't get shitcanned fully right then and there
But why.. Not chowder not changing any minds. simple.
That's not really fair to Crowder. He's also a misogynist and racist piece of shit.
don't forget workplace sexual assaulter and abusive husband
Truly well rounded.
He's a polymath
hexagon
polygon
mywifeisgon
What's a polymeth?
He does multiple kinds of meth, duh
facepalm of course!
And a climate change denier. Basically a piece of shit grifter.
The Bluey version is better change my mind.
It’s a matter of time before the allegations start coming out about him.
"Bandit Heeler has recently come under scrutiny to the allegations that he is 'the bestest boy.' More tonight at 7"
"Dad enters the room."
slow clap intensifies
Am I using this right
"...when you put something beautiful out into the world, it's no longer yours really. "
I suppose you can do whatever you like with it, mate.
The problem is just the meme is misused. It should only be for intentionally bad takes
Memes change. That's literally how they work.
Only use the original macro for dunking on Crowder.
I say we lose the entire Crowder meme format. The "change my mind" bit was from one of his stunts, and this is just keeping it alive longer
There's still many other meme formats that send the same message, we don't need to sully Calvin's image by associating it with a Crowder stunt
It only keeps it alive for those who know it. I had no idea who that dude was or where it was from.
I didn't even know who the mf was until people started posting this
I still don't know who he is, and I don't feel like looking it up
I made this one awhile back
Rusty Shackleford!
Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is? That is giving importance/energy to the wrong thing. I didn't even really notice nor care who he was (and still don't). That said, I don't generate memes with him in it so I guess I'm doing my part. 🤷🏻♂️
Because he doesn’t deserve to be the guy in the meme. Think about all the other actually cool people who have been immortalized in silly memes, a lot of times they get interviewed and it is really funny. Everybody enjoys on some level that the person in the funny meme they are looking at is actually a real human being who has the goofy honor of being famous for the really specific, niche context of that meme.
Why give that joy to a complete asshole and loser? Why give it to a media personality who spreads hate? Who cares if nobody recognizes who Crowder is, Crowder doesn’t even deserve to be interfaced with as an anonymous white dude in a meme, it takes away the necessary shame Crowder should experience at every interface with the broader public.
Within the context of the meme it's a guy with a mug and an exploitable sign on his table. Nothing more.
This shit sounds pretty tiring, IMO :/
Are you trying to suggest that the literal image of the man who created the meme has nothing to do with the man himself?
Yes I understand the question "who is that?" may not occur to you. It does to others, and results in this pile of dirt getting free traffic.
Most memes have nothing to do with the person in the meme. I doubt crowder himself made the meme, even if he did it doesn't really matter as the meme has transcended the person st this point.
His change my mind videos quite literally spawned the meme. His platform became more popular because of the meme.
Do you even know anything about crowder or are you just talking out of your ass?
I really don't give a shit about internet famous people and now, I also don't care why anyone else cares. I'm sorry I ever asked the question.
Are you genuinely struggling to understand why people who think he's actively saying hateful shit about trans people wouldn't necessarily want to increase his presence in the general Zeitgeist?
Or did you just want to slip in the "stereotypical white guy" dog whistle?
If you are actually struggling, i can probably help.
imagine a person saying horrible shit about you, specifically.
Now imagine they have a platform where they say this hateful shit to lots of people, enough that you sometimes run across these people and they also say hateful shit to you, perhaps worse.
Now imagine an unrelated meme is made with this persons face on it and you see it 5,10,15 times a week.
Now imagine that the comments on most of these memes feature a whole bunch of people defending this person and agreeing with the hateful shit they said about you.
I'd imagine that's why some people care.
Genuine question though, what would be the right thing to give the energy/importance to in this scenario?
Do you have to specify whiteness? By definition, You are not far from him
Only because he's white. If he was black, I would have said stereotypical black. I wasn't addressing this at you. I'll edit to say stereotypical
douche bagfrat boy turdthing.This is why giving importance to "not the focus" of the message gets in the way. Now we aren't talking about -insert meme here- anymore. We are talking about someone's personal issue with how I phrased something. Honestly, just proves the point of getting distracted by irrelevant things.
And sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, the whole right wing dipshit starter pack.
I might be mistaking him with one of the other major grifters; the Venn diagram between racists, homophobes, transphobes, and antisemites is a circle.
I don't think anyone should change your mind on this one
Shouldn’t use Watterson’s work. He fought long and hard against stuff like this…
Could you link to more information about this?
He's famously against all commercialization of the strip and I think he'd feel this similarly devalues it.
One source.
That seems to be mostly about monetization and commodification, which should already be absent from shitposting.
I get that but I respect Watterson too much to assume his stance.
Well… which is it? Do you respect him too much to assume his stance or are you assuming he’d feel this similarly devalues it?
I mean I don't want to assume he'd be alright with it therefore I won't use it. Nothing I said was definitive, just what I think.
Well somebody should pop over to Chagrin Falls and ask him
Did you mean "this" stance, maybe?
I suppose that would also have worked, but no.
Here is a wiki source (insert error bars here) discussion of his stance on his work being officially licensed. He thought that use of his work outside of a comic strip would cheapen the value of the strip itself. This was frusterating as a child (who wouldn't want a fucking Hobbes plushy) but now later I can see that it was at the very least a very defensible choice. Compare how people feel about C&H vs something that was commercialized to death like Garfield. Anyway, hope it's useful.
Like this specifically?
I mean, not really though. He fought to keep companies from merchandizing C&H, mainly because he “wanted to keep the characters pure to every reader’s internal voice.” Basically to keep companies from turning it into a shitty profit center or bastardizing it with a cartoon, etc. I don’t think he really said anything or would have a problem with fans using the images to share stuff, y’know?
Becoming a meme format is a great way to strip all of the original context for most, just look at the point of this thread. Just because it's C+H isn't going to stop that.
Like we saw with the bumper stickers, it wasn't just the stupid Ford v Chevy thing, it was that anyone wanting to make a stupid point on their bumper sticker was lending Calvin's voice to their own stupid crusade.
What about that comment is cancel culture?
Cancel Culture, Woke, Communism... When you don't understand a lot about the modern world, you just start using words and phrases you also don't understand to mean "I dislike this"
This isn't cancel culture though. You are proving my point.
And my last post wasn't a straw man either... It was describing people who use terms they don't understand to express their dislike of things. It's literally you. In this thread.
I mean... I guess it could be that you're knowingly misusing it just to create anger and division. But you wouldn't do that, would you? That would make -you- the problem.
Again, what do you mean by cancel culture? The original comment was asking for people to honour Watterson's view that Calvin should not be used outside the comic. Who was being cancelled and how?
So you don't actually have an explanation. Chowder is a bigot, and people shouldn't give him a platform. You defending him is consigning his bigotry.
Also he hasn't been cancelled, nor is he likely to be.
Are you upset that people don't like him and are speaking out against him? Or is it a larger disdain about the practice of speaking out against people and calling for them to be excluded?
If it is the second one, Chowder makes his money that way, and participates in a practice you claim to disdain.
Though I think it's the first beacuse you like what he says.
Spoilers - he didn’t want anyone to change his mind.
While I appreciate that he is a transphobe, and that may be the nexus between him and yourself, he's a whole lot more than that.
It's one of his many assaults against decent humanity.
We should stop using Calvin in our stupid memes.
do you want them to be stupid or not?
relevant CGPGrey video
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The only meme I see in this version is one complaining about needing to use this version over the original one.
It isn't helping.
In fact, because the name is spelled-out, more people now know about the guy.
Yeah, the original meme is clowning the guy, showing that he's an idiot with frivolous opinions
If you don't know how shitty of a person Steven Crowder is, take a look at this video (tw: verbal abuse) of him berating his pregnant wife.
His whole thing with "Change My Mind" is him going around to college campuses and debate-lording unprepared college students, and at the first sign of losing he weasels out.
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Without something like this, I could have gone my whole life not knowing who he was or his opinions. I bet most people are in that boat. Also, it's not like he makes money from the meme format.
Not really sure what's gained from changing it.
A feeling of moral supperiority that lemmitors crave
I bet the guy doesn't even use Linux.
For years I assumed he was just a student in college arguing for something and not an actual POS 😢
Maybe the change my mind meme should just be avoided entirely rather than creating a replacement as it's just giving the bigot more publicity and letting more people know thier name when you complain about it being used rather than the replacement.
This is hilarious. Crowder is a POS.
Didn't his wife cheat on him or some shit and he's in the middle of divorce right now?
Calvin! Watch your mouth!
Wait why are we mad at Calvi and Hobbs?
We aren't. Op is saying we should use this instead of the template with Steven crowder cause Steven crowder is a piece of shit.
But why do we want to make memes making fun of Calvin if they didn't do anything wrong?
We are not. OP writes about the regular "change my mind" meme guy
Who even is that
it's Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes
The name on the poster.
Who? Doesn't matter, yes
Agreed
On the flip side, I say we continue to use them. Let his legacy be something completely out of his control, and let him learn that while he's still alive.
This is the best solution.
I love posts like this for a very special reason.
Educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#Non-binary_and_third_genders
People can change as they learn new things
And some people have a far worse starting point for knowledge depending on the preexisting information they were given
Hell I look at the things I said over 15 years ago and I hate that I had said such hurtful things about groups of people that not only now do I call my friends but some of them I have called my significant others as well
BTW I'm not sure what they said as their comment was gone before I got here
Exactly. As the person responded with the link on Wikipedia about existence of third genders, I find that those who are anti-lgbt were just conditioned as such because of either religion, or plain homophobia, or both. I've lived in both religious and non-religious countries, and the former have anti-lgbt sentiment for obvious reasons. Meanwhile, homophobia in the latter-- especially in Europe--are more motivated by sheer disgust on non-heteronormative genders and less about religion. But I still think that the anti-lgbt sentiment by many Europeans is a residue and offshoot from patriarchal and homophobic teachings of Christianity.
As opposed to the dumbass comment that the mods removed?
Let's see your evidence then, should be good for a laugh if nothing else.
Hey look, another bigot who can't tell the difference between gender, sex, and the congressional industrial military complex. It must be confusing thinking that non-binary people might be tanks or cruise missiles or whatever. But it gets easier to figure out once you get that high school diploma.
Evidence. Do you know what that is?
Here's some in case you're stuck:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
Wikipedia doesn't assert anything, it simply compiles information found in other sources. Which it cites.
I really hope that's sarcasm.
lmao what the fuck where did this come from?
Dude stfu no one is here for your insecurities lol
Imagine being such a failure that you can't even masquerade as a troll without looking pathetic holy shit lmao
Got'em lmaoooooo
Edit: no jk dude im sure you're actually really cool irl fr fr I like that you downvoted me tho.
An effective troll doesn't get emotion pal 😭 go be a tryhard somewhere else. I heard 4chan is cool.
You're either a child who needs the last word or
And yet I pulled more bitches than you without a gender, curious