Yeah GRRM thinks too much of his characters, he wrote a match between Jaime Lannister and Rand Al'thor, and Jaime won. Absolutely ridiculous a guy who can wield magic that can burn people out of time vs a guy with a sword.
Being Magic Jesus does that. I think Martin's comments probably refer to pure swordplay, with The Grand Sister Banger being a contender for the most skilled swordsman on the continent he might be able to take Rand if you stripped his subconscious reality bending and channeling.
So one Question I'm always asked. Who would win in a fight? Who would win in a fight if Galactus fought The Hulk, or if Thor fought Iron Man? And there's one answer to all of that. It's so simple, anyone should know this. The person who'd win in a fight is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!
I haven't read the books, but it seems like a theme is that everyone is extremely "human". Like no one in the series could miraculously survive a fall of a cliff. That's why I like the show, but I think it would pretty immediately discount anyone from being able to win a fight against a pseudo-superhuman who was able to, almost literally, walk off the damage from falling off a cliff
everyone is extremely "human". Like no one in the series could miraculously survive...
Some Targaryens are fireproof (e.g., Dany), some people can't seem to be able to get the hang of staying dead no matter how much they're literally killed (e.g. Beric Dondarrion, Lady Stoneheart, wights, if you consider them people, Ser Robert Strong)... plenty of the supernatural going on in those books.
Dany isn't categorically fire-proof in the books. She survived a one time special event, with the help of the ululating chant and some kind of magic. But after that, she could be hurt by fire.
For me, everything that happens on HBO after Jon is stabbed by his brothers is just high-end fanfic. I will always believe that the showrunners fucked up the ending. And, let's be real, GRRM isn't going to prove me wrong.
They might have rushed it but I'm pretty certain the big plot points are the same. They'd always claimed they had the broad strokes ending from Season 1.
The one thing I could have seen him do was not bring Jon back but it honestly doesn't change that much
What I always found weird about this, is that even in universe Martin makes a point that Jamie wasn't as good as he thought he was. He ends up being humbled.
Seriously, give me Ser Arthur Dayne wielding Dawn and then we'll talk. (Aragorn would probably still win, but at least he'd have a bit of a challenge...)
Why else is his "last" book (the world could be so lucky) taking so long? Once a large chunk of the world population connects the dots, it wouldn't take them until the end of the first chapter of that latest brick to see he's only capable of coloring inside others' dusty lines. 🤷🏼♂️
Inspiration from? Bahahahaha. Oh, sweet summer child. You didn't even click the link? In your boundless experience, have you heard of "The War of the Roses"? York against Lancaster? Curiously similar, and it doesn't end there by a long shot — but you continue being glib and smirking at yourself. You're doing great. Bellend. 😘
Haha! What a dummy. Rand Al'thor, the champion of the Battle of Dumai's Wells, The Dragon Reborn, the man who broke the world, was bested by a sister fucker with one hand? Okay then!
Yeah take away Saidin and Rand is still a master swordsman. He was shielded and killed was able to kill 2 warders, one of them unarmed and the other with the first one's weapon.
I think GRRM did admit he was taking the piss a bit with that one to be fair to him
It is a stupid question to begin with, and it was classy from George to give a straightforward answer, and maybe it would have been more classy to say that Aragorn would have won.
But I don’t understand this antipathy towards George, he wrote some great groundbreaking fantasy novels just as Tolkien, and I’m happy I was able to enjoy both.
No, not at all. Neither of them shared a parent. They're technically cousins, but the amount of generations between Arwen's uncle and Aragorn make the familial link not matter at all
Raised by and adopted by are two different things. You can raise someone and not have them considered as your child. Not to mention the whole definition of a step sibling is sharing one parent, adoption doesn't make you a step sibling
Doesn't change the fact they had the same (step)father, and Aragorn respected Elrond immensely. Also, pardon the Freudianism, but it's kinda weird how the idealized finale to Béren and Luthien's tale of love featured quasi-incest in Tolkien's mind.
Yeah GRRM thinks too much of his characters, he wrote a match between Jaime Lannister and Rand Al'thor, and Jaime won. Absolutely ridiculous a guy who can wield magic that can burn people out of time vs a guy with a sword.
Also a guy who reality shapes itself around and therefore doesn't really lose.
Also he has the memories of hundreds of years of training in the sword.
Also when he lost a hand he didn't become a little bitch.
Sometimes things just work out that way
He turned an entire army into aerosol at the Battle of Dumai's Wells. I'm pretty sure he can handle little Jamie Lanister.
The Wheel weaves as the Wheel willls
For real, even without channeling Rand was a basically peerless swordsman.
Don't bother of them lose their dominant hands?
Yeah. Rand was still inhumanly badass afterwards tho
Being Magic Jesus does that. I think Martin's comments probably refer to pure swordplay, with The Grand Sister Banger being a contender for the most skilled swordsman on the continent he might be able to take Rand if you stripped his subconscious reality bending and channeling.
Rand broke and reformed existence itself. I don't think he'd be threatened by a little sister fucker.
-Stan Lee
I think GRRM would declare Ser Pounce the winner in a match against Kratos.
I freaking love ASOIAF, but this guy talks way too much crap sometimes.
I haven't read the books, but it seems like a theme is that everyone is extremely "human". Like no one in the series could miraculously survive a fall of a cliff. That's why I like the show, but I think it would pretty immediately discount anyone from being able to win a fight against a pseudo-superhuman who was able to, almost literally, walk off the damage from falling off a cliff
Some Targaryens are fireproof (e.g., Dany), some people can't seem to be able to get the hang of staying dead no matter how much they're literally killed (e.g. Beric Dondarrion, Lady Stoneheart, wights, if you consider them people, Ser Robert Strong)... plenty of the supernatural going on in those books.
Dany isn't categorically fire-proof in the books. She survived a one time special event, with the help of the ululating chant and some kind of magic. But after that, she could be hurt by fire.
Or if you do, say, survive a fall from a tower window you don't survive, get magic powers, and become king in the end.
Oh, wait.
For me, everything that happens on HBO after Jon is stabbed by his brothers is just high-end fanfic. I will always believe that the showrunners fucked up the ending. And, let's be real, GRRM isn't going to prove me wrong.
They might have rushed it but I'm pretty certain the big plot points are the same. They'd always claimed they had the broad strokes ending from Season 1.
The one thing I could have seen him do was not bring Jon back but it honestly doesn't change that much
That's not in the book though.
What I always found weird about this, is that even in universe Martin makes a point that Jamie wasn't as good as he thought he was. He ends up being humbled.
Right? Jamie is not nearly the best fighter in his own story. How can he possibly beat magical creatures?
Seriously, give me Ser Arthur Dayne wielding Dawn and then we'll talk. (Aragorn would probably still win, but at least he'd have a bit of a challenge...)
Head canon.
Some guy with one hand who fucks his own sister.
Now, Aragorn vs Dassem Ultor could be an interesting fight.
JRR-logic: "Well the reader probably likes Aragorn more, so yeah, he gonna die."
https://youtu.be/1-so7GT02ko?si=71VxlrEYYVr9aiQ1
In Deep Geek covered this, and I'll take Roberts opinion on it over GRR Martins.
Martin's a fucking hack, anyhow.
Please elaborate
Oh, I dunno... Maybe, because he all but copy/pasted real world historical events whole cloth rather than write his own?
Why else is his "last" book (the world could be so lucky) taking so long? Once a large chunk of the world population connects the dots, it wouldn't take them until the end of the first chapter of that latest brick to see he's only capable of coloring inside others' dusty lines. 🤷🏼♂️
Wow. I can't believe a writer would take inspiration from real world events! What a total scumbag. 🙄
Inspiration from? Bahahahaha. Oh, sweet summer child. You didn't even click the link? In your boundless experience, have you heard of "The War of the Roses"? York against Lancaster? Curiously similar, and it doesn't end there by a long shot — but you continue being glib and smirking at yourself. You're doing great. Bellend. 😘
I read the whole article. It's literally titled "The real historical events that inspired Game of Thrones".
No accounting for smarts, then. Ah, well. You do you, friendo. 🥲
Gg, Im the perfect amount of drunk to actually very literally lol at this. Am I embraced by this. Perhaps.
But do I imagine Aragorn wondering where that -0hp damage is coming from? Perhaps.
He also wrote a short story in which 1 armed Jaimie bested Rand al Thor. You can't take him seriously
Haha! What a dummy. Rand Al'thor, the champion of the Battle of Dumai's Wells, The Dragon Reborn, the man who broke the world, was bested by a sister fucker with one hand? Okay then!
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Rand would no diff him even if he was still locked in the depression box
"You're talking mad shit for someone standing in baelfire range"
Hadn't read this before, link for anyone else interested: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2010/04/10/trial-of-seven/
Jaimie besting Rand doesn't really make sense there tbh, even with the conceit of taking away Saidin
Yeah take away Saidin and Rand is still a master swordsman. He was shielded and killed was able to kill 2 warders, one of them unarmed and the other with the first one's weapon.
I think GRRM did admit he was taking the piss a bit with that one to be fair to him
It is a stupid question to begin with, and it was classy from George to give a straightforward answer, and maybe it would have been more classy to say that Aragorn would have won.
But I don’t understand this antipathy towards George, he wrote some great groundbreaking fantasy novels just as Tolkien, and I’m happy I was able to enjoy both.
He wrote an unfinished soap opera in book form.
Soap operas are designed to not finish. It was doomed from the start.
Martin is a troll, so he gets treated like a troll. It's as simple as that.
Who's Jaime?
The blonde dude lanaster who gets the metal hand.
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Jaime Lannister from Game of thrones
Okay but Arwen was kind of stepsister to Aragorn too
No, not at all. Neither of them shared a parent. They're technically cousins, but the amount of generations between Arwen's uncle and Aragorn make the familial link not matter at all
It kind of does, though... From Aragorn's perspective, at least
Stepsister, Aragorn was raised in Rivendel and Elrond was closest to a father figure
Raised by and adopted by are two different things. You can raise someone and not have them considered as your child. Not to mention the whole definition of a step sibling is sharing one parent, adoption doesn't make you a step sibling
You’re thinking of half sibling. Step sibling is when someone’s mom marries someone else’s dad. No relation.
Ok, yeah I got that wrong.
they met when Aragorn was 20 years old and Arwen was over 2700...
Doesn't change the fact they had the same (step)father, and Aragorn respected Elrond immensely. Also, pardon the Freudianism, but it's kinda weird how the idealized finale to Béren and Luthien's tale of love featured quasi-incest in Tolkien's mind.
They have been adults the whole time they've known each other. Theres no reason for them to view each other as siblings in any way shape or form.
There's a whole philosophical debate I could get into here, but that'd be a waste of time.
You're related to everyone if you go far enough.
They're not even the same species, of course they're not siblings.