Spyke
lemm.ee

A third of those predate gen z. The complete nonsense words are definitely on them, though.

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Atomdudereply
lemmy.world

I think every word ever started out as something that was nonsense to everyone, except the first two people who used that word.

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lemmy.world

No cap fr fr

But isn't OPP other people's.... property or has that changed since Naughty by Nature taught us all what it meant?

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Vespairreply
lemm.ee

No, it just shouldn't be capitalized. It's short for "operative" and usually refers to somebody you think is (or jokingly think is) working for/with the cops or feds.

It's "Opp," not OPP

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Narc is more specific, opp is more general, so the youngin's have opted for opp.

Every narc is an opp, not every opp is a narc.

But yeah, I think narc is closer than "enemy", probably

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eezeebeereply
lemmy.ca

I think it's short for "opposition", as in a rival gang

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This makes vastly more sense in both gamer and hip-hop context than "opponent" does, so I'm willing to concede that this might actually be the right reading, as retroactively this fits in place of "operative" in the hip-hop settings I've experienced it in whereas opponent doesn't.

Kudos.

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lemm.ee

It's "opp" with two p's but it's short for "operative", a word with one p? I'm starting to think that you don't really know either.

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Vespairreply
lemm.ee

Yeah and "rizz" comes from charisma but isn't spelled "ris."

And "OP" has multiple existing potential meanings still in common use today, so it makes sense to me to spell it with flair for the sake of clarity.

Slang is complex and morphs as it travels though; so do some folks use opp as "opponent"? Sure, that's believable. But I feel fairly confident (never fully confident; I am fallible after all) that it's original use comes from AAVE and more specifically hip-hop, where I again feel pretty damn confident it refers to an operative and not an opponent.

If I am wrong though, I would love to be corrected (with some verification of some kind) so I can be sure to reconcile the new info and not spread misinformation again. I'll happily await your evidence to that end.

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lemmy.world

so do some folks use opp as "opponent"? Sure, that's believable. But I feel fairly confident...

Bro, it doesn't even have the right number of P's for your reasoning to make any sense.

It comes from "opponent," that's why there are two P's. It comes from video games/chess/card games/etc where you refer to the person or persons you're playing against as the "opponent". It's been happening for many years but has made it's way into gen z slang.

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Perhaps there's a case of parallel development here, but I really don't think that's what happened.

Gamer slang has long borrowed, sometimes sincerely sometimes ironically, from AAVE and hip-hop slang, where I truly believe this originates, and clearly has the cop/fed connotation. Yeah, I know people shorthand "opp" as opponent in games in the same way they shorthand everything, but jesus christ that's more approaching 1337 5p35k customs than gen z/alpha slang, so even if we do assume parallel development and concede opp=opponent in modern gamer slang it almost certainly is pretty unrelated to said archaic use and was likely homespun in zoomer/alpha games like Roblox or Amung Us or whatever they're playing now instead.

But hey, while I remain unconvinced I am proud to accept my fallibility and ask everyone to remember that I am just some stranger online when weighing the weight of my opinion and to draw your own conclusion on the matter. I do not claim to speak gospel.

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lemmy.world

That's because it is. People who don't understand just make shit up. That's why the number of P's doesn't even line up.

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Oh a narc. That’s funny cuz up here the cops are actually called the OPP

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donreply
lemm.ee

The last p, well… that’s not that simple. It’s sorta like another way to call a cat kitten. As for the ladies, OPP means something gifted: the first two letters are the same but the last is something different; it's another five letter word rhymin' with cleanest and meanest.

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My high school Algebra teacher was once telling the class about ZPP, the zero product property. He told us when he was teaching in the 90s, there was a new song out called OPP and he would say "you down with ZPP?" and the class would say "yeah you know me!" lol

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4amreply

Is it just “OP”? Like how online forums starting Reddit say “original poster” and this just snuck its way into all conversation?

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lemmy.world

As a younger millenial I gotta say some of these are ours. We were calling things "extra" since like '06. Vibe is as old as the hippies, and mid is weed slang from like the early 2000s.

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oatscoopreply
midwest.social

Every generation uses old slang they mistakenly believe they invented.

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lemmy.world

Or in the case of 'out of pocket' every generaation just ignorantly bastardizes random shit.

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Rustyreply
lemmy.ca

Yeah, our generation was streets ahead of those zoomers.

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don
lemm.ee

That’s a dope-ass list, shit’s ill af. Just don’t be bitin someone else’s stilo, cuz that shit’s wack, yo. If ya do, just tell ‘em “my bad, b!”, or expect peeps gonna be poppin caps in your ass, ya heard?

Word to ya motha.

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sup. /the 'p' is silent and the vowel becomes elongated with a drop; off. "SUh h"

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Only in that context, it loses the meaning they're trying for if you're not using it exactly like that.

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midwest.social

Ick is just short for icky and vibe has been around for decades.

Gnarly list.

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Icariareply
lemmy.world

The whole trend is nothing new. Millennials and some GenXers were stealing all their slang from American rappers when they were young, too.

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Icariareply
lemmy.world

Rap got popular in the 80's, like NWA and Run DMC, right as GenXers were entering their formative years. Really not hard to figure out before posting pointless replies.

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I am GenX so I can speak from my personal experience, which I realize is not universal.

I actually bought "Rappers Delight" on a 45 rpm single the year it was released. But it's also true that Blondie's "Rapture" was the first rapping song I heard on the radio. I would have been 13 at the time and rap was far from a mainstream musical style.

Looking back now there certainly were specific individuals of GenX and Jones who had access to rap, but it was certainly not available to me as a suburban kid in Canada. Even that Sugarhill Gang single was hard to find because "rap" as a concept didn't really exist at that point. I am trying to find a recording of the Extras song "Hip Hop Hip Hip" as an example but it's so obscure neither YouTube nor my streaming service seem to have it available. It would be unrecognizable to you as hip hop because nobody knew what hip hop was then. People were experimenting broadly and some of those experiments are now considered part of the movement. But we didn't know that then. Another example that stands out for me was "White Lines" by Grandmaster Flash. It was largely spoken word and I would have identified it as funk then. Now I guess I don't know.

"Straight Outta Compton" came out when I was in university. I really liked it because of the anger. The raw emotion felt like the best of the punk movement from 15 years before.

So yeah I could have been clearer. The early seeds of what we now consider "rap" were around when I was young. But I would not have called it a popular genre in my circles, or even mainstream. I don't remember rap shows in the clubs (and I spent a lot of time there in my teens and twenties).

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BluesFreply
lemmy.world

"Giving" is ballroom slang from like, the 80s. Extra is also LGBT slang that has been around at least since I was a teenager > a decade ago.

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4amreply

Yeah but giving is seeing a surge, particularly as attitudes about LGBTQA shift

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So you’re playing a little Playstation, huh? That’s whack! Playstation is whack! ‘Sup with the whack Playstation, ‘sup?!

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It depends, it's generally used by gen z to mock gen alpha, though some of the youngest genz do use it regularly

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It's not a real slang term as far as I'm aware, it's just a mock slang term that showed up because skibidi toilet happened to also be a meme around the time zoomer slang became a meme.

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lemmy.world

I seem to recall when they were translating "grunge" slang and it was also mostly bullshit not actually used.

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

Does double for drug slang. It's either decades out of date or just plain made up

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anarchristreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I swear to god half of the slang from memes like this is just aspirational. Pretty fetch imo.

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Vespairreply
lemm.ee

Usually yeah, but for once those are actually real slang genuinely used the Z/alpha crowd and through them tiktok in general

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anarchristreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Well I'm sure they'll grow out of it like millennials did with "fleek" that everyone swore was real slang with mad drip and rizz, no cap or ick, son.

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I thought the youngsters these days were using thicc to refer to big butts, as in GYAT DAYUM DAS THICC

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I'm a very late millennial, borderline Gen Z, and even I feel like all my slang knowledge is outdated.

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cum
lemmy.cafe

Gen Z has even ruined our programming!

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Opp? How can I explain it? Take it frame by frame it, to have y'all all jumping, shouting, saying it? O is for other, P is for people, scratch your temple, because the last P? Well that's not so simple..

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

No actually the last P is sort of...well another way to call a cat a kitten, it's five little letters that I'm missing here. You get it on occasion if the other party isn't gaming. Seems I gotta start explaining. You ever had a girl and met her on a nice hello? Get her name and number then left feeling real mellow? You get home, wait a day, she's what you want to know about, but when you call up it's her girlfriend's or her cousin's house? It's not a front, it's just her boyfriend is at her house. It's OPP, some Other People's when you get it, there's no room for relationships there's just room to hit it. How many lemmings out here know just what I'm getting at? Who thinks it's wrong because I was splitting and co-hitting that? Well if you do that's OPP and you're not down with it, but if you don't here's your membership.

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db2reply
lemmy.world

It's a work of art you've done here.

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I have only heard that word in a single thing in my life, it's some British song with the following lyrics:

"Tea and biscuit hunting, opps are good at nothing..."

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:: grooves to sick bassline and funky beat ::

:: slide whistle ::

:: grooves to sick bassline and vocal samples ::

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lemm.ee

The fuck is "cheugy"? How the hell do you pronounce that?

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I literally had never encountered the term “cheugy” until I first played Pokemon Scarlet/Violet, in which the old principal asks you what kids these days meant by “cheugy”. I had to look it up. Sadge

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lemmy.world

I think the Gen z column is more like ebonics. B rad from the boo would approve

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Not uncommon for a term to start in AAVE and then later cross over into wider use. Drip is definitely an example of this.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I think 'mid' means middle or mid-grade weed, which means a similar thing as 'mediocre' like the chart says.

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lemmy.sdf.org

You down with O.P.P.? Yeah you know me!

There. Now you can feel even older.

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4amreply
lemm.ee

Too bad the translation’s not really accurate here. It should say “god damn!”

GYATT DAYYUM

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Too bad the translation’s not really accurate here. It should say “god damn!” GYATT DAYYUM

tl;dr: gyatt is almost exclusively used to mean, "god damn, phat ass."

Except it is accurate, in shorthand and meaning. Gyatt started off to mean "god" and people would even say "gyatt damn." Then it moved to be fully "gyatt dayyum" to mean "god damn" as you noted....and then abbreviated to just "gyatt."

Then it evolved to the present day where gyatt is mostly used to say, "god damn, that's a phat ass" or some variation. When something is terrible or your disappointed, you don't really say "gyatt it" or even "gyatt dayyum it" to mean "god damn it" or if you're pissed off at someone, you don't say "gyat you / gyatt dayyum you" to mean "god damn you." But if someone with a phat ass walks by, you'll say "GYATT," to mean "god damn, that's phat ass.

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lemmy.world

Lol for some reason "delulu" hits just as bad as calling someone retarded. The only difference is one isn't a medical term. It's a well chosen word.

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Delulu seems like a cute way of telling someone they're insanely stupid. I like it.

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As for the ladies, OPP means something gifted The first two letters are the same but the last is something different It's the longest, loveliest, lean- I call it the leanest It's another five letter word rhymin' with cleanest and meanest

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yiffit.net

"on god" is at least millennial, I heard that one 20 years ago

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A bunch of these terms were definitely used before gen z used them. Vibe, as a slang term, is a boomer creation. Ick is even older, and was first used in the 1940s.

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looks like a intern project at a graphic design shop. get that Gen Z kid to write us up a slang Rosetta stone!

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lemmy.ca

Do all Gen Z speak like this? Or just the really over the top ones?

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Conyakreply
lemmy.tf

My son, 16, talks like this with his friends. I have to ask for clarification in our texts a lot. I’m not one to down as we had our own slang growing up but I refuse to be okay with Bussin’ it just sounds so dumb to me.

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lemmy.ca

I thought cheugy was more a synonym for tryhard, someone working really hard to 'get with th youths'.

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lemmy.ca

Which would be lame to do in the view of said youths, no?

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Sure. I just think lame doesn't quite hit the same meaning.

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Most of these either aren't right or I don't understand the older language.

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lemmy.world

Gen Z/Alpha is fine... except for this shit. Talk like a fucking human, for fuck's sake.

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I don't have a lawn. Both, because I'm thankfully not American, but also because millenials don't get to buy houses.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

something something damn kids these days and the way they wear their hair, something something and the fashion they engage in.

Nothing is new under the sun gramps.

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Gabureply
lemmy.world

Slang was words repurposed in meaning. Had been for thousands of years. The fuck is a "delulu"? The fuck is a "gyatt"? This is a symptom of terminal online-ness, like kids addressing groups as "chat".

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i don't think you're defining that correctly. Isn't slang literally just defined at it's most simplistic as "terms used in non formal communication, that are understood between a group of people, due to collective contextual understanding."

I.E. workplace lingo would also be a form of slang.

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programming.dev

At least cheugy is a new word. All these fucking morons literally redefining “giving” and it’s absolutely terrible. It doesn’t sound good. It just makes you sound idiotic and like you don’t know English.

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I believe giving actually comes from 90s gay/drag culture, and like most of these isn't really as obtuse as it seems. It's just word omission. It's just shorthand for "it's giving me thoughts of" or "it's giving me memories of", basically (okay, admittedly I'm extracting a little bit here).

Here's an example that I hope helps: imagine your friend or romantic partner comes to you wearing a new tweed jacket they've excited about, but all you can see when you look at it is memories of your tweed-clad college professor. You might respond with "i dunno, it's giving college prof," which is just shorthand for "I dunno, it's giving me flashbacks to memories of my college professor."

Personally that seems a fairly functional evolution of language in the way it always evolves, not the degradation you seem to be finding, but of course I can only offer my own singular opinion on the topic, so do with that what you want

edit: typos

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Laticaudareply
lemmy.ca

They didn't redefine giving, it's literally being used for its original definition. Just add "energy" or "vibes" at the end of the sentence and it clarifies exactly how it's used. If someone sees your outfit and says "It's giving Beyoncé" -> "it's giving Beyoncé energy", your outfit is reminding them of Beyoncé. As in it is providing/offering said Beyoncé-like energy, aka one of the original definitions of giving something.

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tylerreply
programming.dev

they literally redefined it. It no longer means to ' : presented as a gift : bestowed without compensation ' or 'particular, specified' or ' : immediately present in experience ' they're using it as "it gives me the energy of" which already HAD A DEFINITION. THAT'S WHAT VIBE MEANS.

That's not the original definition of 'giving' something, i have no clue where you got that from.

Bunch of morons downvoting too, bet y'all saying giving a hundred times a day. fucking idiots.

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Laticaudareply
lemmy.ca

Those were not the only original definitions of giving by a long shot. Another original definition was to provide, offer, impart, communicate, or pass on something, (hence the phrase "giving off" which has been around for a long time, example: it's giving off radiation), etc. It's not gen Z's fault you don't know all the definitions of giving.

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Yeah if used in that manner you have to put a word after it. Not doing so is redefining it

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lemmy.world

This is what happens when friends don't give friends shit for acting like a wigger and you end up with a bunch of Pretty Fly for a White Guys making everyone cringe.

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mander.xyz

Bruh I don’t think that’s ok,hopefully just ignorance and not malice. even if you change out the first letter you’re still kinda implying other people can be n-words.

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Asafumreply
feddit.nl

That one has me a bit torn because the n-word is used for any black person and obviously meant to hurt them. On the other hand, "the w-word" just means a white guy who dresses and acts like a gangsta rapper from the 90s-00s

Is that offensive? The root of it is, I just don't know if the actual meaning lessens how offensive it is

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Laticaudareply
lemmy.ca

I mean, they're technically calling black people the N word by proxy (it's meant to essentially be white + N word to refer to a white guy pretending to be/acting black). So it seems like a case of "if you're not black you probably shouldn't say it".

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No I don't think people who use the word "digger" are specifically and purposefully altering the N word and directly referencing it.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigger

About 130 years ago it was a racial slurs but died out and resurged in the 70s as a dergatory term for white people that try to (poorly and offensiviely) emulate black culture. Aka white trash wannabe.

It could still be used offensively, but it rarely is. I learned the term from a bunch of black American Navy visiting and ended up hanging out with them all weekend. They were shocked to know we have them too and pulled up "beatboxing" videos, realising just how offensive a wigger can be, especially when they start using the n-word in their raps like it applies to them.

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