I feel sorry for men who have to wear pants
I can wear a dress to work and nobody criticizes me. I’d be really sad if I had to wear pants all the time, they’re just not as comfortable. Let’s normalize pretty dresses for dudes!
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Yea, but let's design some to work on male bodies. Dresses are generally built for female body shapes, and rely on curves most guys just don't have in order to complete the shape - so we end up looking like Graveyard Barbie in them.
Guys tend to be a lot more oblong, and the overall design would need a rethink in order to actively work with that shape, instead of unsuccessfully trying to compensate for it.
No, I don't know how to do this.
I was a slutty nun for Halloween and looking cute in a skirt is definitely possible, but man does it take a lot of work to find anything that fits decently. Dresses are simply impossible to find of course because, as you said, the shape is not at all made for men.
Also that outfit made me want to go full f1nn5ter and dress up in feminine clothes all the time lol. It's so much fun! I'm so down for people to figure out how to make the shape work for masculine body shapes.
Just don't make it a habit.
I don't know if I could keep that vow.
TBH, I would rather be a slutty nun than a slutty priest.
You better, unless you want to hurt your temples
We needn't worry, my cloister is hardened.
My first thought when I read op was that trousers are a relative new development.
The Romans made fun of the Gauls for wearing them.
So if you decide to wear traditional Roman dress, trousers shouldn't be included.
But it's still designed for men.
Pretty cool how the Romans just took a good idea from a more primitive culture. Guess there wasn't anyone around to scream about cultural appropriation.
The Romans calling the Gauls primitive is a bit like the British calling the Americans primitive.
True, but for Gods sake don't look in the mirror.
Took me a while to figure you were referring to native americans, not the current 'muricans
Wait, what? No!
Yeah, well, I'm sorry, but yes viewing the current Merkins as stupidly violent savages is a thing on this side of the Atlantic.
We Europeans on the other hand would never attack someone without reason.
We've always had reasons, usually some variation of wanting their possesion for ourselves.
And warning: This post contains sarcasm.
Are you British? This sick sarcastic humor is so British, and I love it!
Dudes in parts of Africa and the Middle East have already got it figured out. Djellabas look fantastic on most men. I'd love to see more people wearing them.
More like Robes than Dresses, maybe? Could start with some Indian or Middle Eastern fashions as a starting point...
Yeah, a men's salwar kameez would make a damn good start, but I don't want to limit it...
Love my khurta
That does involve pants though. I think something like a sarong is what they were referring to.
Consider also: The bahag
It wouldn't be that hard, I think. Just make it more square on top and drop the accentuating part from the waist to either halfway between the belly button and hips or all the way to the hips. Or you could raise it to chest height and have a long, straight bottom part, more robe-ish.
Agreed! There are a few enterprising designers out there with cool menswear dresses, but it’s still super niche.
Got a link?
I’ve seen Billy Porter in a gown or two. I’d add a link but not sure how to do that in Voyager / wefwef yet.
Link me too please
You're coming dangerously close to re-inventing the kilt
Robes like from solar opposites
A lot of Muslim men wear what appear to me to be long white skirts, especially in the middle east and north Africa where wearing a flowing, loose garment that reflects lots of light is a practical measure for staying cool. I think it's called a Kandora?
My point is that such garments DO exist, they just aren't common in the west because of western views of male gender norms and Islam.
Honestly, one thing I hate about being biologically male is that men's clothes all look so goddamn generic.
Oh, you're wearing a suit. It's. A suit. I guess. They all look the same.
You're wearing jeans. And a t-shirt. And they all look basically the same.
Khakis and a polo? You madlad. Well, you and everybody else at the country club. Who all look exactly the fucking same.
The thing that really gets me is, it didn't used to be this way. You look at pictures of people in paintings and whatnot and men had some wild shit going on. There was variety, if somewhat less, even into the early 20th. But... seriously tell me if I'm wrong here... it feels like we got to WWII and men's fashion just stopped. Like an entire generation of men put on uniforms and eighty years later we still haven't completely taken them off.
They don't ALL look the same. It's just that the stuff that actually looks non-generic are either super expensive or super uncomfortable.
Or, just bad. There's nothing generic about Ed Hardy. Most people elect to look generic rather than be caught dead in that mess.
True that! I have some awesome looking denim pants, that are literally painted with colorful paint. I always get compliments from both men and women when I wear them. I also got them basically for free at the store, since no one were buying them.
But, they're about as comfortable as you would expect denim pants painted with thick paint to be: stiff and scratchy.
or make you look like a stand user
Mainstream clothes for sure, but I feel the same way about mainstream women's clothes. Waist high jeans, an inoffensively colored top and a vest or blazer. Switch out the jeans for beige linen pants in the summer. Yawn. If you want inspiration for some more interesting clothes in general but men in particular, you gotta look to non-mainstream subcultures. Especially ones that don't give shit about gender. I hung out with hippies for years and men and women alike are dressed in cool, colorful and interesting clothes. Both genders wear pants, dresses, and skirts. It heavily inspired my style and believe me, I stand out a lot among other women. If you want more variety you have got to look further than what's mainstream. Because that'll always trend towards boring and basic.
Even mainstream clothes are better in the woman's section. I was in Peacocks (fairly small cheap clothes shop - you can see most of what they've got by standing near the centre) and you can just tell where the men's clothes are by the sea of dull, boring shades with not a single thing showing any sign of colour at all, like the brightness is turned down to 1 on the telly. The style differences are minimal. Even the material is just awful scratchy fabric for the most part. Look over to the woman's section and it's a sea of colour, many more different styles (not that many, as I said, this is a small cheap shop), and if you touch anything it's instantly noticeable that the material is much better quality, softer. I don't get woman who wear men's clothes - why would you put yourself through that?
There is more variety for sure, but my point kinda was that most people, men and women, don't really make full use of the variety there is. Almost everyone dresses kinda dull. Women have easier access to special and colorful clothes than men (although the latter can definitely find some if they look for it) and they do use it a slightly more but actually interesting clothing takes a little willingness to stand out that most people simply do not have. Maybe it's different in other countries though - where I live conformity and not standing out is woven into every aspect of our culture.
What does this have to do with being biologically male?
Aren’t males born wearing cargo shorts and a blue polo?
I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. I think what we should do is learn how to sew. I already bought a sewing machine but I haven't had time to learn how to use it. Hopefully I will be able to learn the basics in the few work-free days I will have in the summer. My point being, we (men) need to take fashion into our own hands and start designing what we want to wear.
I (woman) have been learning to sew for a while mostly due to the indignity of never having pockets unless I put them in myself. But I also took the plunge and made my husband a novelty Christmas shirt last year and honestly even though it seemed like it would be terrifying it was surprisingly straightforward! Now he can have all the ridiculous colorful shirts he wants.
Basically I'm saying yes, learn to sew, it's bloody brilliant.
Thanks for sharing your story. Now I'm more excited to learn how to sew
And they are only available in about three colours - black, dark blue and grey. yawn
That's good IMO
Tbh, I just want to blend in.. but of course be as pompous as you want!
Not sure about other places but most women around here wear clothes that are mostly the same as well it's not exclusive to "masculine" clothes
Some workmates and I petitioned our boss for the return of 70's office shorts over the course of one hot summer, to no avail.
70s? Those are just summer work clothes in Australia.
Oh man I wish, I was stuck in shoe length cotton blend for three years of my life and I dreaded February coming around
But they’re so classy and adorable! Your boss is a monster.
I can barely contain myself
That what happens when the shorts are too short
Those are some ridiculously short shorts, especially on the left. How is he not hanging out the bottom?
Don't get me started on shorts. Modern shorts which go down to the knee - what's the point?!
Oh look, I know what hell will be like now.
Those only work if you also have the 1970s sexual-predator combover and/or pornstache as well as a The Mask necktie.
There were so many adventurous men's fashions in the 70s - I like watching old shows like Columbo partly because of that. It feels like we lost a lot going into the 80s and beyond in that respect - I'm glad to see men trying more diverse clothing now.
As a man I never considered pants to be uncomfortable. They are the perfect mix of range of motion, hiding the private parts. and support. Dresses, skirts, and robes seem like a nightmare to wear. You either restrict your range of motion or have to constantly worry about showing your underwear. And I would wear boxer briefs underneath by choice anyhow, so I still end up wearing pants.
I think the bigger issue is that most of us men are too lazy to look for different kinds of pants and end up wearing the same stuff year-round. Which can indeed become uncomfortable due to changes in temperature. But that issue wouldn't be fixed by having access to dresses or robes. As again, some would either be too cold or too hot.
I used to have a pretty intense not-like-the-other-girls fase in my teens, and I never wore skirts or dresses, and felt the same way you do. Then I got over that internalized misogyny and started experimenting with clothes a little, and the first time I put on a dress it was like a hallelujah moment. The most comfortable thing in the goddamn world. They do not restrict your movement at all, that's only a problem if you wear knee-high pencil skirts of stiff fabric. In colder seasons you wear leggings under them which are equally comfortable. It was so incredibly comfy I did a complete 180 and it took me 10 years to wear a pair of pants again, and that's only because the waist high mom jeans in style now are so loose and non-restricting. Any other style of pants I won't touch with a 10 feet pole.
But how do you sit in an office chair with your feet on the seat, like I do, in a dress?
No, I refuse to sit properly.
Light? That you?
He's got a case to solve, don't bother him!
You mean L? Light was Kira, L was the guy who sat crouched like a goblin.
Wear a long enough dress and you'll be fine. You could also wear a skort (which is a skirt/dress with shorts built in underneath, but from the outside it just looks like a regular skirt/dress) or just wear shorts or leggings underneath. You've got lots of options!
From experience: as long as the dress is nice and roomy you can sit as prawn-like as you want.
Anytime you want to try it with a bath towel you might realise she's right. The only thing creating a problem is when it falls off.
The towel falling off just makes it more comfortable.
Comfortable but not socially acceptable atomicorange. Damn society >_>
What are these magic cooling pants you speak of that are acceptable in a professional setting? Or are you British and think we are talking about undergarments? We are talking about trousers.
Nah no pity here, we got pockets best thing in the world you should probably feel more envious really
I’m gonna design a dress made of nothing but pockets out of pure spite.
Hell yeah, finally someone fixing the real problems of the world
While your at it, can you also design some business cargo shorts?
Business in the front, cargo in the back?
Lol sounds like you're describing a well dressed person with a phat ass
slaps pockets you can fit so much junk in this trunk!
LMFAO that is actually incredible!
Look up the Patti Pocket Skirt. You're welcome.
Jokes on you, my dresses all have pockets
All my dresses have far better pockets than most pants, too.
I wouldn't mind dressing in tunic+toga.
A friend has a degree in fashion design and her senior project was a clothing line that you ordered by measurement instead of men's/women's sizing so it was supposed to fit a person not a gender.
So cool!
I think those are called kilts, and some of the cooler ones come with pockets (just like the cool lady dresses.
Completely agree. While both pants and dresses have their pros and cons, it should be everybody's own choice which one they want to wear. I hope that this is something that will change over time.
A few summers ago I brought up the idea that men should be allowed to wear shorts to the office if women can wear dresses and my boss literally laughed in my face. We work in a small-ish office and are not client facing so who tf cares what we wear? A while later they made a whole big deal about us being allowed to wear jeans to the office ever day (vs only on Fridays) you could hear a pin drop at the staff meeting. It was painful but satisfying to watch. Fuck those assholes…
At least if men wore more skirts and dresses then manufacturers would add pockets.
Always thought this guy was a boss!
Wear whatever the hell you want, right? Screw genders and made up rules around them.
Boxers-while-working gang rise up.
This is why I am nude 100% of the time.
You have discovered Ultimate Comfort!
I tried to remain nude for 24 hours for shits and giggles. Was not particularly comfortable.
Bring back the kilt!
I am okay with pants
Im pro men wearing whatever the f they want. Im not pro shaming men wearing pans to promote men wearing dresses
I have 4 kilts and wear them to work when I want to, almost as a dare to management so I can retire off a lawsuit. Utilikilts and Verillas have great kilts with pockets for workin' men that like a pretty skirt.
Pants are optional when entering my house however underwear is mandatory lol.
A lot of comments here are not wrong. Men’s clothing in general doesn’t have a lot of variety. 4 different colors of the same style shirt or more doesn’t count as variety. Look in a big box clothing store and you’ll see that the women’s section is almost always 2 to nearly 3x larger.
I mean, I don’t have to wear pants…
renormalize tunics
Kilts.
I may be in the minority on this, but I wear pants to work every day, even in the summer, and it doesn't feel uncomfortable. I just like wearing my jeans, and if anything, I've gotten more flak from friends about not wearing shorts enough
I agree with your overall sentiment, but I'm good keeping my ugly knees and hairy legs covered.
I'm cool with pants. It's one less thing to worry about, not having my crotch exposed or readily available.
Plus, if I fall, my legs are more protected
I feel the opposite. I wouldn't wear a dress even if it was socially acceptable, they don't look comfy.
But I like my pants...
My boss made it very clear that while the pictures in our dress code handbook are of the general gender stereotypes, doesn't mean we are holding people to that. As long as you are business casual it doesn't matter how you represent.
Any links to dress fashion for men?
I’m all for it. I hate wearing pants in the summer, but we’re not allowed to wear shorts. However, no one can refuse me wearing a long skirt or dress!
Why arent you allowed to wear shorts?
Sexist rules in most companies, men are not allowed to show their legs nor feet, but women are, guess why.
Dress code standards most places. It's frustrating watching the women at work with skirts and tank tops while I'm dying because we're not allowed to wear shorts or sleeveless shirts.
Plan a day where some of the guys come in skirts. Bonus points if they are a bit too short. You'll see how quick they change that dresscode. Employers are not allowed (at least where I live in EU) to have such dresscodes based on gender, that's discrimination.. we were planning to do it at the place where I work a couple years ago but when management heard about it they changed the policy.
Outcome: Everyone must wear pants
Fair enough, that's too bad. At my work there is no such policy and there are a few men who wear tailored shorts in the summer but it's not overly common here either I suppose.
Capitalism, old dress standards, tradition....
We have kilts... And we look great in them.
And skirts. They are soooo comfy, but it's not socially acceptable to go outside in one.
Unless you are a Scot
I wear my kilt all the time, most comfortable thing ever
I agree. There should be a turn back to the robe-like garments that are used by everyone in certain cultures. It's comfy and it looks regal as fuck. And with the heat waves we've been getting we are gonna have to adapt to our environment where we can
Men, let me introduce you to sarongs. My cousin was roommates with a Ukrainian guy and after he tried wearing it he basically got converted. He bought a dozen to be brought back to Ukraine. With the conflict going on I hope he's safe now.
Getting my kilt ready as we speak…
I don't know if I would wear a dress, but I'm all for making skirts gender neutral.
Technology in pants has gotten so good that jeans which used to be uncomfortable have now gotten thin, stretchy, and soft while still looking the same
Nobody's making me wear pants. I've worn garments similar to dresses and skirts and I'm not a fan at all.
I tried to use this argument with a boss during the summer, when she told me shorts weren't "professional"... She didn't bite when I pointed out the variety of "professional" female vs male attire, and that no summer male alternative to pants exists. I pointed out the skirt she was wearing during that scorching day as an example.
But I worked primarily in the field and none of my Clients nor their care facilities cared, so joke's on her and I wore what I wanted anyway. Dressed in pants on days I went into the office or brought Clients to one of my (former) organization's facilities.
But I am totally okay with this trade-off given that men's clothes actually have pockets! I'll sweat my balls off in exchange for functional pockets any day..
I don't think skirts are gender for me personally (cis man), but if it wouldn't draw any extra attention to me, I'd consider trying them.
Maya Kern's skirts have pockets that can fit a Nintendo Switch in them. Consider the pocket possibilities if they made "men's skirts" (or just reasonable pockets for everyone). Imagine... Being able to adjust how you're sitting without your remote car keys setting off your car alarm.
Reminder that guys can wear Kilts if they want to
As someone who wears kilts to the office regularly. I second this.
The kilt maker that I buy from sews in pockets. But, a sporran is pretty great for carrying the small necessary things.
Agreed, 100%. I grew up in a hot area and worked in offices where long pants were the standard. I was always jealous that ladies could get all that ventilation and I was stuck with boiler pipes on my legs.
Even shorts would be a great first step!
Why don't we call pants longs instead, given shorts?
This is a shower thought on its own.
Change approved!
As a man I appreciate your concerns. However, in my country the problem is much larger on the women's side as female professionals are struggling for their rights to wear trousers in professional settings. The recent progress? The lawyers just got allowed to wear pants instead of skirts only.
Why the fuck is this something that must be permitted in the first place? My rights to wear a kilt can wait until women can wear pants.
I'm a chemist, we're basically glued to our jeans regardless of gender. Yes, summer is hell for us.
All clothes should be accepted based on functionality and practicality regardless of gender.
It already exists and is called a sarong. That is a traditional Sri Lankan dress for males that slowly went away after western colonization. Bonus fun fact: Arthur C. Clarke used to rock this style.
We know it by a different name, but it's still going strong in India.
That's a vetti, yes? There's a tiny difference in that a vetti is an open cloth whereas a sarong's ends are sewed together. So a sarong is a closed loop.
And nothing's sarong with that.
I'm pretty sure the idea of just making a tube and wearing that must be pretty universal.
It's really versatile, after all.
Unfortunately for people who want to (or must) present European male our version is the peplos, which is thought of as strictly female.
India wears it all; be it dhoti, lungi, or the mundu. And we wear both the lungi (aka sarong) and the mundu (the unstitched sarong) at half-mast with full pride, never mind our thunder thighs and skinny legs.
Now if only someone could take away the rice belly and the mosquitoes, both women and men would be happier.
Proud of him!
Shorts are also comfy though.
I can't wear that at work either.
Time for a change of scenery. For me at least, that would be a deal breaker.
It's honestly the best perk of working in tech.
It was funny when I came to work at clients offices with suit except a tshirt instead but still jacket.
My client came in with shorts and tshirt. We sitting next to each other was hilarious. Next time i came in with a mote casual long trousers and tshirt no jacket. My colleagues still came with suits but I stopped
And easy to wear!
No need for dresses. Just make baggy cargo pants (and cargo shorts fo those of us who , unlike me, like shorts) fashionable and business code compliant.
Got it. Utilikilts for all!
This. Not Scottish, but I wear a kilt whole summer everywhere. Fortunately our company does not have a dress code at the office.
I just got talked to about wearing shorts by my manager. I told her I'd just wear a dress then. I haven't found one I like yet.
I wear a kilt. It really is more comfortable than pants.
I actually remember seeing a blog post, too, showing a fashion line of skirts for men. Not for cross dressers either (but no judgement if that's you). It was marketed as a style that still made the men appear masculine. I forget the brand name, but I was intrigued.
I'm a woman and I'm confused as to how you find dresses and skirts comfortable. They're a pain in the ass, uncomfortable, look terrible on most people i see in them and pants are way more comfy if you buy the right ones. And most offices are freezing cold year round anyway.
You had me at no pants.
Tbf, regarding dresses, skirts and other gowns: Your legs never get pinched, you can just fold your legs up under you when sitting down, as a guy you can just lift it up to pee and don't risk getting your member stuck in the zipper, as a girl, if you have the proper underwear, you don't need to take of your pants, many long skirts actually come with pockets or you can mod pocket slits into them and wear historical pockets under them, you can have them in any length, some pants lengths are silly, skirts allow more air ciruclation, just wear them made of the weather appropriate material...
But honestly, as a guy who grew up doing late High Medieval Living History (about the time of Friedrich II of the HRE), dresses are frigging lit. Just pull it over, secure with your belt and pouch, put on your shoes, if it's cold get your cape. DONE. Go out there and look like the Anti-Christ, King of Jerusalem and "principum mundi maximus"
I like pants ?
Legit one of the nicest parts about WFH, I just wear loose basketball shorts. Feels so nice.
I love to wear dresses! Unfortunately the social stigma is still strong, even in progressive environments. I’d love to see a world where dressing is not a gendered matter.
I tried on my wife's skirt and walked around the house one day.
Easy, breezy, like A/C on my balls. Shit was kinda nice.
I quite like pants and am very uncomfortable in a dress, so I wouldn't want to give up pants for dresses.
Sarongs are the answer. In warmer months I wear them often.
I'm a guy and really like wearing long skirts. They're just so comfy for me and i can't wear them outside =(
ong you get used to it after a while. it would be cool tho if it was socially acceptable for dudes to wear dresses. sun dresses look really comfy during the summer time.
I've almost stopped wearing shorts completely. Except for swimming. I now wear UPF sun protected pants and sun hoodies most of the time outside. Hate sunscreen but hate being burned more. I've watched my dad get a lot of potentially cancerous moles removed. I'm trying to prevent that
Ties are even worse.
I would never wear a dress. Pants are fine with me. I'd be perfectly content just wearing jeans and a t shirt for the rest of my life.
Thank you. I get to work from home for 2 days a week and I dont wear anything for the 8 hours lol
I've often complained about how females have so many more options for clothing than men. Men get shirts and pants. You can choose to have long or short sleeves (same with pants). You can accessorize with a belt too! maybe a watch if you like. Beyond that uhh, that's all you get lol
I would gladly wear a Roman senatorial toga all the time.
An underrated aspect of dresses (IMO) is that it's all one garment - no deciding which shirt goes with which pants - it's all one thing. Of course you still need to choose other things like shoes, but it feels refreshingly simple to just have one garment. I guess you get the same benefit with jumpsuits but people wear those less.
Only if we can get rid of bras. Thats the trade!
Can we keep sportsbras at least? I don’t want to end up with a back injury…
Middle easterners wear a juba. Which is a long flowy robe that is not unlike a dress.
nah it's alright
If I actually wanted to wear a dress, I totally would. Somehow I can’t get over the idea of everyone looking up my crotch as soon as I sit down.
If it's not comfy, I'm not wearing it.
I still have to wear a full suit :'(
I've never wanted to wear a dress, I do however enjoy the fact that I can work naked from home.
Why wear a dress when you can just get naked instead? lennyface.jpg
With this heat I am seriously considering looking in to kilts or just straight up getting a skirt. I don't know that it will be any nicer tbh.
I work remotely, and we're hardly ever on camera. I can be naked if I want.
I usually wear a tshirt and drawstring lounge shorts, no underwear.
I’ll be honest, I wear stretchy scrubs for my job and cannot imagine more comfortable clothing. That being said; never tried a dress lol
I wear shorts to the office when it's hot out
I always say this! I don't understand how some women DON'T wear dresses. There's nothing better on a hot day.
A few years ago I was in a music video from a local band were I was dressed in drag. A skirt and a light shirt. It was one of those very hot summers and we'd be basically dancing in a basement in the video. I was happy like a little princess, jumping around between takes while everybody was sweating their balls off.
We want male manly dresses NOW!
I am fine but thank you for your concern.
Don't feel sorry, I have shorts. And my pants are tech ones, so they're better than a dress anyways.
Skirts, dresses, capris, shoulder length sleeves shirts... I'm over here suffering in long pants and long sleeves all summer.
this is why i am naked at home all the time. Clothes are so restrictive. bball shorts are a good second. Skirt/Kilt could be even more comfortable.
Pants are cool and all, but having to shave almost daily just to keep up appearances is worse. Women can go ages without shaving their legs (some don't even grow hair on their legs, so they don't even have that), and nobody will notice. For a guy, you're basically a bum off the street if your facial hair growth is like 2 or 3 days old. You might have that sweet spot where a day or two of growth looks "rugged", but it only lasts for a few minutes and only in the right lighting, then you somehow cross over into looking like a pathetic alcoholic.
A few years ago, back in the Netherlands, the male bus drivers of a certain public transportation company were forced to wear long pants by their 'managers'. Their female colleagues had a more comfortable uniform with a skirt. As a protest, a number of male bus drivers started borrowing the uniforms of their femaile colleagues. HR gave in. Good.
Was hot enough the other day I pulled out the ranger panties at work, no shame. Those are good enough tbh!
Shorts >>>>>>>>
I can wear a kilt and it's like a dress (well, skirt) but nobody calls me a faggot.
Lol very on point.
I already see more men wearing skirts in summer and it brings me so much joy. I've said it before and will say it again; clothes don't need to be gendered. If something looks good on a woman it will look good on a man too, and vice versa.
Southeast Asian batik clothes are a nice alternative to western clothing (for both men and women)
Here they can be considered both formal and casual so you can wear it for anything. I'm a big fan of batik pants myself.
I feel blessed that I only have to wear pants.
Don't feel bad for us. I like my pants. Even on a blistering hot day at work they keep me safer from burns and cuts and when I'm out hiking in jeans I don't have tick problems
Chino pants are comfy enough for me.
Yeah, but it's worth the trade off. Men's clothes typically have pockets FOR DAYS.
The Scottish are way ahead of ya. those kilts look pretty comfortable.
Wanna know what I wear under me kilt?
Me shoes!
at any previous job I would agree, but I work in a datacenter now that is not only quite cold, but also has lots of strong sources of blowing air that could be problematic with the wrong dress. Whenever I go to renfest I wear my kilt and fucking love it though.
I have a skirt to wear around the house :)
Been wearing a kilt for years. I will never go back. Pants are tight, restrictive, and lack much needed ventilation. And let's be honest, they weren't designed to accommodate the male anatomy. Much better to have a kilt and enjoy the breeze between your knees.
Bring back togas.
The boys always need more ventilation. Always.
I've got some nicer looking golf type pants that work really well in the heat. IT's been over 90 for months already, and i'm in Canada where we're not used to this being here for so long. I'm pretty much dri fit from head to toe when it's over 23c now and it's at least as light and flowy as a dress haha.
@atomicorange I've been kilt-only for two years now and the very idea of ever having to wear trousers again is outright horrible.
I've also tried skirts, dresses. and women's things in general but holy crap most of it is just wildly uncomfortable and not remotely functional. The entire Western clothing industry is caught in a serious rut
Hey, I'm retarded but is this a trans thing...?
You can feel sorry but i love my pants
Dresses for some, miniature american flags for others!
Gotta learn respect personel choices and the fact that everyone is different
I prefer shorts or capri pants over pants and dresses. So much more comfy, and I don't have to worry about showing someone my junk by accident, while still getting that nice air flow of comforting relief.
To all the men saying they're comfortable enough in jeans / chinos / whatever... you should TRY wearing a dress in a hot summer. There is a little bit of adjusting to get used to it, but after that damn they feel amazing. Women are so lucky to wear these whenever they want to.
You can of course decide you're comfortable enough in whatever, but an informed decision is always the better thing.
Keep paving the way!
I work from home so I wear my pajamas or boxer shorts all day and there is no one to criticize me.
I read this and immediately thought of anprims for some reason.
I guess the closest we got are priestly robes and kilts then.
Sorry you’re being forced to wear something you’re not comfortable in!
Men’s clothing is so limited in style options, especially in the US. It feels like there’s enormous pressure not to look “girly”. Even stuff that used to be normal for guys, like heels and hose, are unacceptably genderbending now. One of my favorite things about being a woman is feeling (relatively) free to dress how I want.
To some of us, that's a feature, not a bug.
If I had it my way we would all wear coveralls whose color and stripes would say everything people need to know about us.
Oh hello Roger (name tag), father of 3 (orange bands on left arm), architect (symbol on right front pocket),...
I mean, I’m kind of hoping for a Star Trek DS9 jumpsuit uniform future, personally.
I don't hate looking like a background character/NPC, but having the options for those that do mind would be great imo.
I join my wife for mani pedis and always ask for color. I get so many weird looks. It's really sad that some color worn in the wrong place is unacceptable genderbending. Good thing I simply don't give a shit.
It does suck, and hopefully it's one of those things that continues to relax. Nail polish of any color automatically makes guys cuter, imo. Anyway, who doesn't want a little novelty
Eyeliner too. Anyone who’s seen Jason Momoa in game of thrones knows that shit is masculine as hell.
Oh, how could I possibly forget eyeliner. Practically every lead singer of every band rocks it to fantastic effect. Likely a good number of male actors on set. Tim Minchin has some great eye makeup in general, electrocuted squirrel that he is. Why does this only have to be a famous person thing?
That’s kind of why I like women’s clothes. Men’s clothes are so boring and drab most of the time, but women’s are so vibrant and have cute/fun patterns.
Forced is a strong word.
You don’t feel obliged to comply with particular female stereotypes? Dressing in a particular way?
Not really! I could wear blue jeans and a mens t-shirt and not have to worry about negative reactions. Women’s suits are really common, especially in professional settings. There’s not much I’d be afraid to wear in public. Worst case scenario people would think I’m depressed or sick, I guess.
Yeh. But if you wore budgie smugglers at the beach, you may catch some glimpses. Or be arrested.
Stand by - running to look up budgie smugglers...
Here’s our ex prime minister, smuggling a budgie.
Ok. Thank you. Not a look that works for everyone. Apparently there's an Australian swimwear company with that name. Funny how their womens suits are pretty modest and the men's suits just kind of put it all out there.
Too many budgies, not enough smugglers. Bound to get caught.
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I'm curious what you do that requires you to wear a dress as a man.
I’m the understudy in a show that’s on at the moment.
Ah haha. I thought that might be it (acting I mean), but didn't want to presume.
And I though me saying I’m in musical theatre, may be open to similar presumptions haha.
Sexual appropriation?
Stupidest fucking line I’ve read in a while.
I’m all in favor of this. Now we just have to get everyone else on board. And like others have said, find dresses that actually look good on men. I (m) have been trying out dresses for a while and finding something that looks good on me is a challenge.
but nobody “has to” wear pants. im not wearing any, and if I can do it anyone can
I have a long tee to wear at home and god it's awesome Can imagine dresses give a similar feeling
My wife would disagree
One of my airbnb guests wears a kilt all summer. He says he is surprised more people don't because it is a lot cooler.
I know a couple people who wear kilts (I think one introduced it to the other).
I know from wearing towels and robes that I would enjoy a kilt. Pants are great but they are less comfortable in the heat of the summer.
I don't really care for shorts since then I have to worry about matching socks.
Why would matching socks be an issue with shorts but not kilts? Also, have you considered wearing sandals or just buy a dozen of identical pairs of socks?
Lol because my dumbass didn't add up that a kilt also exposes my mismatched socks.
Problem is I have a wool sock interest, so they're so expensive. My next batch of socks will be fruit of the loom 12pack though. I actually dumped all my socks out yesterday to take inventory.
I wear sandles but I find that I need to clean them all the time so they don't smell like feet.
Haha cargo shorts go brrrrrr
I personally strongly prefer pants but I support those who don't want to wear them (as long as they're wearing a dress or something in public). At home though, you do you, whatever.
I stopped wearing pants almost a decade ago. Joggers & sweats have taken over lol
I'd need some kind of a tool belt under that dress to haul all my stuff
Oh my...
I have dresses and skirts but rarely wear them because they don't feel comfy for me at all. I have to pay extra attention to how I sit and walk and that adds extra stress to my day for me. I do like to wear something loose when I'm home, though, and wish I could wear that outside more often because it's much more comfy than tight, neat clothes.
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There was a summer long ago I regularly wore a Sari going to the bar. Do it for work would be a bit of a stretch.
Sometimes I feel like going full on kilt, but those things are quite thick, all things considered. Might help to aerate the crown jewels, but I'm not too sure if the overall experience wouldn't still be on the warm side.
Kilts are generally made of wool, and wool has a bad reputation. Or maybe a warm one. Wool is actually really breathable and a great year-round fabric, better than cotton. I suppose how it’s made (how tight the weave, etc) could be a factor, but look into it sometime. Wool has a lot going for it as a very versatile material. I knit and the coolest things for me to wear on hot summer days are things I’ve knit from 100% wool. Mainly tank tops with loose stitches, so yes there’s more airflow, but the structure of wool fiber itself is just really breathable and nice. Naturally wicks sweat so it dries quickly, doesn’t tend to retain sweat smells and can have anti microbial properties, so rarely needs washing. I’m a big fan of wool lol
I like wool, no problem with that. Was just of the opinion that kilts are made from actual felt, and so dense that there's hardly any air movement coming through.
You could just as easily have a plaid skirt and the people that would give you shit for wearing a skirt wouldn't know the difference.
I would miss my pockets though. Can I just wear basketball shorts everywhere?
I'm good with joggers.
Guys generally wear skirts or kilts in protest. We had a guy at work (US) wear his kilt a lot in the summer, as intended btw, as a protest for allowing shorts in a workplace that doesn't face customers. He got reprimanded exactly once. He is Scottish in ancestry and the kilt was real, although he also had one that looked like cargo pants too with pockets all over it.
Swedish transit strikers and everyone else.
I'd love to try, but my legs are hairy and I'd hate to walk around with my underwear exposed, it's like walking with your fly open but like worse. Idk how girls do it but i respect that.
Pants are the worst.
It's pretty fucking rocking having "man" privileges overall. I'd say this one evens it out a bit. I'm work from home and usually am in just shorts and it's fucking awesome.
This guy is living the life
I for one am sick of hearing about "women's winter" with this. You are wearing a tank top, a short skirt, and sandals Janet. I have to wear long pants, a long-sleeve collared shirt, socks, and closed-toe dress shoes. Stop complaining. At least you get to be comfortable outside.
Don't feel too bad. Whatever the occasion it is acceptable to wear trousers. We can wear the same thing 50 times to 50 events and society won't care
Proper fitting ones are also very comfortable. While the range of men's clothing at supermarkets and bigger clothes stores is generally a lot less than women's clothes, specialised men's clothes shops and tailoring is much more common for men than women.
It just takes men a much longer time tomdoscover clothes that fit. Late 20's when I discovered it, and early 30's I have found what fits, and dye it to suit what colour I want!
My shitty lifehack is tan colored gym shorts that look like khaki shorts. I can wear them with a polo and they're comfy as hell
I just started a new job last month and I can wear shorts for the first time in over fifteen years at work. It's a game changer.
I am honestly not a happy man if I can't walk around in board shorts with no shirt all day long.
Would be nice to wear ball gowns all the time. Sadly it's not possible as a guy.
The only pants I really object to are jeans. They're hot and sticky in the summer and cold and stiff in the winter. Slacks are the way to go.
Just wish they made cargo slacks.
Stop normalizing everything just do what you want it doesn't have to be normal. I like wearing track shorts, they're comfy.
First off, OP seems to be a woman. Also why do you give a shit if a man if wearing a kilt? Do you also scoul from across the coffee shop if someone is wearing shorts that stop above the knee? Nobody's forcing you to do anything
Dress is a not a kilt, no problem with kilts at all and I've worn one before.
But please wear underwear, this ain't Europe
I’ll wear a kilt in a heartbeat!