Voyager (fka wefwef) now available at m.lemmy.world
We've installed Voyager and it's reachable at https://m.lemmy.world, you can browse Lemmy, and login there (also if your account isn't on lemmy.world)
PS Thanks go out to @stux@[email protected] , he came up with the idea (see https://m.geddit.social).
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This is a great idea, Voyager’s mobile experience is super polished.
Long shot, but would it be possible to get Mlmym installed at old.lemmy.world? Would be a fun throwback!
Ohhh... maybe...
old.lemmy.world would be hilarious given that lemmy.world is only one month old
you might aswell go crazy and do LemmyBB too https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
Wow what a throwback just looking at the pics!
This would be incredible. I've already been directing other redditors here with a screenshot of the mlmym front end.
Let's be careful with having too many frontends though. Are we sure it underwent proper security audit? Even lemmy-ui hasn't yet and it was a victim of an embarrassing XSS attack.
Wow that’s cool! 🤞for old.Lemmy.world
I wonder when the same happens with a project for new.lemmy.world xD
PLEASE
Are there any instances with that front end deployed rn?
https://old.lemmings.world
Nice idea! Just stole that xd 🤦 Here's old.lemy.lol!
That’s nice!
This would be amazing.
Gotta say, it's weird seeing a iOS interface on an Android device XD, but it feels very smooth and polished, especially for a web app.
Oh, that's why the interface felt so weird.
Did it feel weird? I had Apollo when I was on iOS and I felt it pretty great.
Yeah we know that (almost) everyone who used iOS had Apollo, it's been kind of obvious with the barrage of comments. However, there's no Apollo for android and tbh I kinda hate the iOS feel it has, so if someone says that it feels/felt weird, chances are that they are an android user.
That's what I'm seeing, honestly to me it looks and behaves great, the only downside is that it is a PWA and it doesn't feel as fast and polished as stock apps.
And that's because you used Apollo. The context of this particular chain is that it felt weird for android users, because it has an iOS feel, and they answered that that's why it felt weird, so it's impossible that they used to use Apollo, since they were an android user.
I am not used to Apple interface so it was just clunky and weird, yes
As a iOS user, same could be said about Android. It looks bad and is unintuitive to use for me. It's about ecosystems and people getting used to one thing over the other!
Definitely. Personally Liftoff is the client I am currently using and liking.
I'd say weird, clunky I don't think so.
It's a great app but the iOS interface is keeping me from really using it. It just doesn't feel natural on Android.
Oh, thank god they changed the name.
Voyager is, by far, the best lemmy experience I've tried. Hiding posts is a godsend. And they did all this as a web app?? Impressive!
A lot of things that used to require native apps Android/ iOS / Windows / Mac can now be done as a web app which is easy because it means you don't need to compile the code four times.
Does anyone know how the hiding is implemented?
Will they still be hidden if I look at lemmy through my instance directly?
It is not connected to the Lemmy account... I used their URL "vger.app" at first, but then lemmy.world implemented it themselves. When I logged in over that URL, I had to "rehide" the topics.
Sorry, I don't know the specifics.
What a great idea! My favorite app paired with my favorite instance is a match made in heaven! lol. Thanks Ruud!
To clarify, the login details only go through your server, right?
I'm fairly sure Voyager is a fully client-side app that can use the API from any instance directly no matter where it's hosted. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
The devs themselves said they need to proxy information including password through their servers due to how cors works. But people are saying that this may be resolved somehow, so idk.
As a dev of a web Lemmy client, this was fixed in Lemmy 0.18.1, a proxy is no longer necessary.
Okay. I've seen someone mention that it's not needed, but nobody seemed to care about the whole problem to elaborate. Thx.
Not yet. Mod tools will be coming
There’s ongoing Lemmy.world authentication issues. Should be resolved once Ruud gets online.
I'm having lots of problems too. Even native client apps are giving me trouble. Must be lemmy.world having issues.
Its lemmy.world They updated the version to 0.4.2 today and were getting issues. Join a different instance
I am using connect for Lemmy and I cannot login either, so I think is an overall problem
Same here. I swear lemmy.world is the most problematic instance I am encountering so far.
Join another instance. I was on lemmy.world but now jumped to aussie.zone and everything is the same after subscribing to the communities.
While I do love the quick innovation and updates of Lemmy, I have to admit that it's a bit confusing and hard to keep up with.
It will start to stabilize eventually, but we're probably not going to see that anytime soon!
Problem is deeplinks such as https://m.lemmy.world/post/1291838 don’t work
They do work but they're structured differently: https://m.lemmy.world/posts/feddit.de/c/[email protected]/comments/1477069
Edit: Nevermind. Voyager seems to handle their route state in a weird way. Refreshing this while logged in works while the link does not work for third parties.
So... They don't work?
It works if you're logged out. If logged in, all requests must be proxied through your own instance, and post IDs vary per instance.
In the future, it might not force a redirect and show you content for a logged out/"roaming" state, but not now
btw, wefwef is called Voyager now.
Just because it had to be more confusing 😅
Sorry!
Interesting. Seems the name was the worst thing about it. It put me off.
I guess I'm the only one who didn't mind it.
Thank god, such an awful name.
wefwef is an app, a webapp. Usually reachable under wefwef.app
You can install it as a progressive webapp through your browser.
This now is rehosting the files of wefwef on the m.lemmy.world domain, basically a fork that promises to keep in sync with the official codebase and the official domain.
The m.lemmy.world domain shouldn't need any connection to lemmy.world, it is basically not much different to a filehoster that hosts an apps apk. That is why I don't think m.lemmy.world even sees your credentials if you log in anywhere.As to why, I'm not sure what the use of this is. Maybe in case the official domain goes offline?
That's because when you use wefwef through wefwef.app, your data goes through wefwef.app before going to the instance, the app AFAIK does not communicate directly with the instances yet. You basically have to decide whether you trust wefwef.app enough to proxy your data through them.
Using m.lemmy.world would mean your data goes through lemmy.world directly, which you already chose to trust.
Most things passing through are public anyway, as lemmy is allmost entirely public. The only privat info is your password and wefwefs session. Those are visible in clear to the server, so could in theory be logged. If you change your password (and invalidate your sessions) after wefwef switches to direct you should be good.
This.
I can understand why people say all of this is bemusing and discombobulated, haha.
Stopping the stream of data is always possible. You can use google daily until you suddenly don't, the steam of data is (or probably just the proccessing of your queries in this case) stops.
Oh, you are almost right, I was wrong. Checking the network traffic it seems images (and some parts of posts?) are fetched directly, but other elements are fetched through wefwef.app, namely everything that needs the users session. maybe this is done to process some lemmy outputs serverside into for example the notification icon? This surprised me, I was confident the only requests to wefwef.app would be static elements and the code itself.
This is to get around CORS. @[email protected] just fixed CORS on lemmy.world 15 minutes ago (things move fast on Lemmy, lol) so I'll push an update to direct connect for lemmy.world tonight!
Edit: done ✅
This is about cors headers on the api calls? That only don't affect other apps because they are offline and ignore cors?
Native apps don’t have CORS restrictions. They can make http requests anywhere.
Only web apps in a browser have this limitation.
Makes sense, never thought about that. An annoying situation, I wonder how many security issues would crop up if browsers allowed ignoring cors for pwas...
Currently apicalls are proxied through the server but end up with the lient all the same, with the session being stored in local storage "credentials"?
Will you currate a manual whitelist for direct calls or have the app test if direct fails and fall back to proxied?
Hey is it dynamic or you have to add a list of instances to direct connect?
Update: sorry, just saw your answer below 🤷♂️
It would surprise me if that was the explanation since this can be easily fixed by Lemmy.world itself by not sending two
Accept-Control-Allow-Originheaders, thus breaking web clients.Right now, I'm forced to route my own calls to my server on the app I'm making because Lemmy.world is misconfigured.
I guess that for instance below 0.18.1, it makes sense, since Lemmy had a bug at that point that didn't allow web clients to connect.
Oh I thought I had fixed this. Can you re-check and DM me if it's still not right?
It works, thanks!
Aaannnnddd I'm back. Was on wefwef but went to Jerboa and then connect. But I think I'll stay at voyager as it's definitely the most polished so far.
Sweet! I've been doing the same for a week or two at https://app.thelemmy.club
I just disabled the "other" login feature so it only works on thelemmy.club
I have already been using Voyager, do I need to do anything different since my account is on lemmy.world?
You can login using your lemmy.world details on Voyager
I can already login to lemmy.world using Voyager though
looks like you're sorted then?
It's nice to see this officially hosted for
lemmy.worldusers. I've been curious about wefwef but there was no way I was going to enter my creds into a third-party proxy. It feels much better to do so via an instance hosted by the world admins where my Lemmy account is though.FYIW, when you save this as a PWA via Firefox mobile, the name is just "voyager", which I assume makes it hard to distinguish from the voyager instance hosted by its devs. I don't think this can be changed as a user (unless I'm too dumb to figure it out). If the PWA app name can be changed server side, might be good to call it Voyager World or something.
@[email protected] is this something you’d consider for lemm.ee?
you can log into lemm.ee through this website!
True but my login info would be stored in lemmy.world and not my home instance.
@[email protected] could we get this, please? It would be so nice!
You can use vger.app, which is exactly same app.
Yes, it would just be cool for it to be a subdomain of lemm.ee
If it can be installed PWA with custom icon and name for instance, then it could really makes sense.
Updated to .22
@ruud experiencing connection issues
I think this was the ddos attack lemmy.world was experiencing
@ruud seems I’ve lost access to lemmy.world after this update, but through website and Voyager
Does it update at the same cadence as the original?
Currently I need to manually update the container but I might install watchtower
Yeah I just installed watchtower and that sorted out the updates
Are you planning on disabling “Other” logins from this? I wouldn’t blame you if you did but at the same time, I’d keep using the vger URL for the purposes of how I’m using it.
No ill keep the other logins
Minor nitpick, but isn't a moderator icon redundant for an admin?
I wouldn't say so. Admins run the site, moderators run communities. This happens to be a community with an admin as a mod.
Anyone else unable to update to 0.19/0.20? I’m on 0.18.2 and the updates aren’t showing.
For this installation, I think the Admin needs to run the update manually, until he gets around to automating it.
0.18.2 is the most recent version...
That would be 0.20
I just now realized I got Voyager and Lemmy versions confused. You are right about 0.20 being the most recent voyager version.
I was unable to update from like 0.14.* to 0.18.* or some similar difference of versions, deleting the cookies helped me actually. Might want to try that.
Unfortunately this didn’t work. I can’t use this website until updates are implemented the same way.
@[email protected], @[email protected], @[email protected] - Are there any instructions on how to set this up for my own instance? 😁
Should all be here! https://github.com/aeharding/voyager#self-host-docker-deployment
Thank you very much! Keep up the awesome work!
Awesome! Question, I made an account at the beginning of the month on Lemmy.World but I never got the verification email... Is there a way to get it re-sent?
It works for any instance though, not only lemmy.world.
Huh, ok, I tried logging into other instances with that email and they worked but when I came back to lemmy.world it told me I needed a verification email. So there isn't a way to re-send it is there?
This is really nice!
Is there a way to change the comment sorting in Voyager? On the desktop and in the old mobile app, I preferred the "Top" sorting for comments (it's annoying that I can't set this as a default, but I'm assuming that'll get fixed in time). But when I go to Voyager, I can't figure out how to change comments away from the default sort. Is it possible to change the comment sort order in Voyager? Is it in a menu I haven't checked yet? Some button I thought did something else?
Best idea ever !
wow nice!!
@ruud, any chance we can get voyager updated. Post editing has been added in .20 and it can’t be done in .18.2
@ruud what’s the advantage of this than accessing it via Google?
Nice work! Really fun to see everything getting better and better!
Just saw this, that's very cool! will be trying it out
First step to log in is to paste some URL - and https://lemmy.world/ doesn't work for that... another hurdle to exclude anyone not advanced enough?
Very cool! Given the separation between lemmy's backend and frontend, I'm guessing this is relatively easy to do (?) which means theoretically many instances could have a whole range of frontends built in from which the user could chose as they like?
This is awesome :) Thank you!
This is awesome!!!
That iOS UI though... No, thanks.
As an Android user who got used to MaterialYou the "cold" iOS UI really looks jarring. But it's impressive nonetheless what they accomplished with a web app.
Yes, but it's too out of place.