Spyke
aussie.zone

For those of us living after the 19th century 55 degrees is the amount of time to start killing pathogens, 60 ℃ needed to take 35 minutes, down to 14 minutes at 63 ℃, 66 ℃ is 5 min, 69 ℃ is 1 min, 72 ℃ is just half a minute, and 74 ℃ is instantaneous.

Probably worth adding that just putting a piece of chicken in the oven at 100 ℃ is obviously not going to kill all bacteria. It takes time for the heat to be transferred from the oven to the room-temperature (or colder) internals of the chicken.

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bdonvrreply
thelemmy.club

I read this to mean the temperature using a meat thermometer, poking it in the thickest part.

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Yeah exactly, that would be correct. The need to do something like that was what I was trying to point to.

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So what you're saying is if I put the thermometer into the oven I can eat the chicken raw and it will still be safe?

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Keep in mind that this graph shows core temperature. It is obvious to most but it should be written down.

Don't want someone with little to no cooking experience look at this chart and put his huge turkey for a couple of seconds in the oven at 165°F / 74°C 😅

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74.00C for 0.0 metric minutes

71.11C for 0.5 metric minute

68.33C for 1.0 metric minute

65.55C for 5.0 metric minutes

62.77C for 14.0 metric minutes

60.00C for 35.0 metric minutes

~58.33C for 82.0 metric minutes

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lemmy.world

I'm a poultrologist, and you should all be aware that this kills the chicken.

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lemm.ee

I'm a poultronomist and it's fine. The chicken is comfortable throughout the procedure.

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I'm a poultroglodyte, and you should know that my carved stone pen is very pretty

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soooo what you're saying, is that if I fly my turkey into the sun it will be pausterized in 3^n-36 milliseconds?

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I'm finding the way the points and the y-axis are lining up to be, dare I say, mildly infuriating. Why is 82 at 70? Why is 0 not at 0?

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lemmy.today

Real talk, “pasteurize” is the stupidest most misaligned word that could have possibly been used for the process of sterilizing via heat.

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mkwtreply
lemmy.world

It should be "Pasteurize", as it's named after Louis Pasteur. And the specific process he invented dramatically increases the shelf life of milk using very high temperatures for a very short time.... Without changing the milk texture or cooking it very much.

So pasteurization is a process that sterilises did with heat. But I don't think it works on meat.

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renrenPDXreply
lemmy.world

It works just fine meat. The graph is often presented in the context of sous vide cooking of meats.

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Yes. But that is cooking the meat, as in changing the taste and texture by denaturing proteins.

Pasteurized milk does not get cooked in the same manner.

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junereply
lemmy.world

Yep, then all you have to worry about is non-meatborne illnesses.

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feddit.de

Not very helpful for real world cooking.

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lemmy.ml

Well, one could probably deduce that a lower internal temperature than the instant point is sufficient to cook chicken, and use that in combination with a thermometer when cooking chicken.

In fact, that's what I've done after learning this, bringing my chicken breasts only up to ~68 C (~155 F), resulting in a vastly more enjoyable chicken breast.

So I'd argue the opposite - this is very helpful for real world cooking.

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Patchesreply
sh.itjust.works

Yes it's a lot more helpful to know that if my bird sits on the grill at 155 for a minute - I can eat it. Is way more useful than knowing I need to crank it, and dry it out to get to a mythical 165.

I've had the jump from 160 to 165 take 3 minutes for whatever reason. It was already done in 30 seconds! That's nice to know

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You can pull it off the grill as soon as it hits 155. Residual heat from the outside of the chicken will distribute through the middle, the final temp in the middle will be closer to 160 and itll be amazing.

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megopiereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Actually super useful if you don’t like dry chicken but don’t want people getting sick. Even roasting in the oven. Better for beef honestly but, point still stands.

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lemmy.world

It’s not helpful because this is the internal temperature requirement. You can’t just stick a chicken in the oven at 135 for an hour and a half and have it be safe to eat. The clock doesn’t start until the internal temperature hits 135.

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sh.itjust.works

You can do it simply with a Sous Vide. However chicken cooked at low temp, while safe to eat, is texturally unappealing.

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I can confirm this. I tried to do a low and slow with chicken breast once and it was not good.

I still prefer mine at about 150 F, but anything much below that feels like eating warm raw chicken.

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Actually really helpful. Just today I served the dopest grilled chix breast because I pulled it when the temp was at 155 and rested it a minute let the carryover heat finish cooking it. Could have probably gotten away w 150. It was fall apart tender and super juicy because I didn't hammer it to death.

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It's very helpful. You can cook chicken with sous vide (hot water with temperature held very precise) and cook the chicken at 140 35min. Because it's a bath of precisely controlled water the temperature will never go above 140 and you will have insanely juicy chicken that is still safe

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Try chicken cooked only to 150 sometime. It really does make a positive difference. Extra juicy and extra tender

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