Not entirely accurate. Shit hits the fan before this changes too much and we are in much debt. Also infrastructure is somewhat of a fixed cost. I.e. being fewer people does not reduce infrastructure emissions.
Antinatalism isn't ab answer to the problem, but might be a reasonable reaction.
That being said I do not want to advocate for having more children or put the blame for the systemic issues on the individuals suffering from them.
some infrastructure, but by no means all. But I think my stance has always been closer to “if they wanted me to bring in additional players, they should’ve made the game more fun to play”
Population decline will be the socio-economic epoch which finally puts an end to obligate growth capitalism, and the initial demographic crisis will force us to reprioritize how we use resources and technology to support aging populations. Historical materialism goes brrrrrr.
Refusing to make children for the capitalist machine is just good praxis.
For the time being, most countries can get a younger population by letting in immigrants (who are statistically younger). Would probably result in a softer landing than otherwise.
Debt and money are make-believe anyway. Just tokens in a game we play called capitalism.
I'm not sure about the infrastructure claim. Generally, if infrastructure is used less, it requires less maintenance.
50% of all habital land is already being used by humans and being degraded, which doesn't seem sustainable, especially since so much of the world still lives in poverty. World population doubles every 61 years, so it seems like it would be nearly impossible to stay on the current trajectory for much longer.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc.
The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level).
Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone.
But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc.
The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level).
Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone.
But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc.
The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level).
Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone.
But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc.
The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level).
Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone.
But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc.
The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level).
Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone.
But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Please consider kids in foster care before adopting. Adoption is a huge problem in the USA and doesn't always consider the child's needs over the potential buyers. ); <3
I'm not sure where in my comment I said "but not kids in the foster system, screw them". I imagine theres probably some hyper-literal reading of the word "adopt" that somehow excludes foster kids, but was it really necessary to read my comment that way? Is this a legitimate misunderstanding, or are you just really eager to have something to be mad at?
Figured by the use of a heart and kind language it wouldn't feel like an attack, but I suppose this is still text and some folks are more sensitive to things. My attempt was to add and not to take away from your post. I'm sorry it felt any other way.
the thing is, while not having babies is good for the planet, it is really bad or even a huge crisis for the economy depending on how it is set up as most economies are set up so that you people take care of the old
The following is a statement of intentional hyperbole and is in no way meant to be construed as a statement of fact:
I swear to God that any slack jawed meth head can be a foster parent, but if you want to adopt, you better be in your mid-thirties, Christian, married to your original opposite sex spouse for a period of no less than forty years, possess no fewer than five Ivy League degrees, own a house with a structural footprint of at least two hundred thousand square feet free of mortgage, have monthly income of seven figures, preferably eight, never have even heard of alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine, never have a speeding ticket, possess perfect teeth, even your still intact and pearly white wisdom teeth, be a leader of your community, state, nation, and have a permanent seat at the UN security council, and oh yeah, please give us fifty thousand dollars in fees up front before we find reason to reject you.
Back to reality: I did raise a child by myself. I would NEVER have been allowed to adopt her. We endured my failed marriage, several years of poverty making potatoes stretch past their prime to survive type stuff. She lived, grew up, attended and graduated from an ivy, got a six figure job out of school, and is generally a happy person who still voluntarily speaks to me. She's artistic and caring and giving. The kind of person others like to be around. But were it not my sperm that contributed to her existence, I would never have been allowed anywhere near her.
I haven't seen it since it was new, thanks for the reminder! Added to my "watch soon" list.
Edit - I seem to remember it has the most satisfying fist fight scene I've ever watched, and I'm not generally one to particularly enjoy fist fights in media.
::: spoiler synopsis
the film follows an unnamed drifter who discovers through special sunglasses that the ruling class are aliens concealing their appearance and manipulating people to consume, breed, and conform to the status quo via subliminal messages in mass media.
:::
You'd need to know if she is having unproctected sex. Exclusively unprotected. And no birth control. Babies can't happen if she's taking birth control.
Saw this before somewhere and annoys the hell out of me that it's "I'm trying" instead of "we're trying".
It implies that the person is trying it alone, which seems unlikely to succeed.
And no I don't consider any "nonstandard" ways of inserting steamy hot manjuice in dat pussy, since the first option already mentions the method being cream pies.
All you need to know is that Everylife, the company behind this campaign, is a diaper trading company that officially pushes Christianity and fights "companies that have promoted the weakening of men in American society" and that "are pushing anti-family, anti-American agendas".
This is such a fucked up combo of right-wing politics and diapers I can't even
I was confused by the celibate thing. As far as I know, you don't have to be celibate to not have children. I thought that you were joking, like "I am celibate because I don't want childs and totally not because I can't get a girl to heck me"
I won't say the people who took the picture (especially not Musk in the tweet) have good intentions but whatever economic system we live in, we need people to work to meet each other's needs e.g take care of older people though? Kids will be demanded by any system.
You need people to do things, absolutely. You need to take care of old people.
Do you need to have insurance agents? Do you need marketing, or the tax industry, or Wall Street, or managers? Do you need a sales department or an accountant? Do you need lawyers for 95% of the thing lawyers do? Do we need 4 different fast food restaurants in every shopping center?
I'd go so far as to say most jobs today aren't necessary. They're invented by humans to do abstract things that affect how humans interact and organize. Or, they're only necessary because of this arbitrary organization
They're also based on centuries of tradition and/or negotiation rather than intentional design, which means we spend a lot of unnecessary time navigating it.
I don't think we're ready to go without this kind of bureaucracy, because the pressures of late stage capitalism has done a real number on us all. Maybe in a couple generations. But a properly designed system would most certainly free up a hell of a lot of time to care for our elders
capitalism requires constant population growth in order to sustain itself. The idea of unending exponential monetary growth cannot be sustained without unending population growth. for this reason every business, and every form of capitalism is doomed to eventual collapse. The only reason why it keeps going is because our fucking governments keep propping it up. this is why Elon musk's greatest fear is under population
I'm so glad that someone leaked that Roe v. Wade was getting overturned. I scheduled my sterilization and I'm so so happy. There is still a LONG waitlist to get sterilized.
No babies, no periods, no cramps, no mood swings, life is good. (Bilateral Salpingectomy and Endometrial Ablation are an awesome combo)
edit: despite what lemmy wants it to be, it's probably got nothing to do with capitalism or communism or any other systems of government (beyond 'haha billboard tell us to have sex')
These are apparently ads for a diaper company with an explicitly anti-abortion political agenda, because we live in a dystopian hell scape where such things apparently exist.
Literally the opposite of this is true. Not having kids is one of the single best things you can do for the planet.
(Still want to raise a child? Adopt! There are so many kids out there looking for good homes and people who will love and care for them)
Not entirely accurate. Shit hits the fan before this changes too much and we are in much debt. Also infrastructure is somewhat of a fixed cost. I.e. being fewer people does not reduce infrastructure emissions.
Antinatalism isn't ab answer to the problem, but might be a reasonable reaction.
That being said I do not want to advocate for having more children or put the blame for the systemic issues on the individuals suffering from them.
some infrastructure, but by no means all. But I think my stance has always been closer to “if they wanted me to bring in additional players, they should’ve made the game more fun to play”
Population decline will be the socio-economic epoch which finally puts an end to obligate growth capitalism, and the initial demographic crisis will force us to reprioritize how we use resources and technology to support aging populations. Historical materialism goes brrrrrr.
Refusing to make children for the capitalist machine is just good praxis.
For the time being, most countries can get a younger population by letting in immigrants (who are statistically younger). Would probably result in a softer landing than otherwise.
Debt and money are make-believe anyway. Just tokens in a game we play called capitalism.
I'm not sure about the infrastructure claim. Generally, if infrastructure is used less, it requires less maintenance.
50% of all habital land is already being used by humans and being degraded, which doesn't seem sustainable, especially since so much of the world still lives in poverty. World population doubles every 61 years, so it seems like it would be nearly impossible to stay on the current trajectory for much longer.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Reads and rails tend to have a lifetime due to freeze/that cycles and weather/Vegetation unless heavily frequented. A dam does not get easier to maintain because fewer people use it's water etc. The external burden of mining does not get easier to maintain (groundwater, general loss of height above sea level). Same goes for electricity grids that try to reach everyone. But a 4 lane super highway is easily downgraded to a 1 lane highway.
Please consider kids in foster care before adopting. Adoption is a huge problem in the USA and doesn't always consider the child's needs over the potential buyers. ); <3
I'm not sure where in my comment I said "but not kids in the foster system, screw them". I imagine theres probably some hyper-literal reading of the word "adopt" that somehow excludes foster kids, but was it really necessary to read my comment that way? Is this a legitimate misunderstanding, or are you just really eager to have something to be mad at?
Figured by the use of a heart and kind language it wouldn't feel like an attack, but I suppose this is still text and some folks are more sensitive to things. My attempt was to add and not to take away from your post. I'm sorry it felt any other way.
the thing is, while not having babies is good for the planet, it is really bad or even a huge crisis for the economy depending on how it is set up as most economies are set up so that you people take care of the old
The following is a statement of intentional hyperbole and is in no way meant to be construed as a statement of fact:
I swear to God that any slack jawed meth head can be a foster parent, but if you want to adopt, you better be in your mid-thirties, Christian, married to your original opposite sex spouse for a period of no less than forty years, possess no fewer than five Ivy League degrees, own a house with a structural footprint of at least two hundred thousand square feet free of mortgage, have monthly income of seven figures, preferably eight, never have even heard of alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine, never have a speeding ticket, possess perfect teeth, even your still intact and pearly white wisdom teeth, be a leader of your community, state, nation, and have a permanent seat at the UN security council, and oh yeah, please give us fifty thousand dollars in fees up front before we find reason to reject you.
Back to reality: I did raise a child by myself. I would NEVER have been allowed to adopt her. We endured my failed marriage, several years of poverty making potatoes stretch past their prime to survive type stuff. She lived, grew up, attended and graduated from an ivy, got a six figure job out of school, and is generally a happy person who still voluntarily speaks to me. She's artistic and caring and giving. The kind of person others like to be around. But were it not my sperm that contributed to her existence, I would never have been allowed anywhere near her.
What are these from?
John Carpenter's They Live.
Thanks! Added to my list.
I haven't seen it since it was new, thanks for the reminder! Added to my "watch soon" list.
Edit - I seem to remember it has the most satisfying fist fight scene I've ever watched, and I'm not generally one to particularly enjoy fist fights in media.
::: spoiler synopsis the film follows an unnamed drifter who discovers through special sunglasses that the ruling class are aliens concealing their appearance and manipulating people to consume, breed, and conform to the status quo via subliminal messages in mass media. :::
i'm hooked on the synopsis alone
They Live. It's a great movie. You should see it if you have a chance.
If for nothing else than the fight scene that made high as fuck me question reality
Yeah, I could see going into that fight scene super high and losing your fucking mind.
Like, this is my life now. This fight scene will not end, ever. Just Roddy Piper and Keith David punching each other, forever.
That's exactly what I felt like lol. It just kept going, I couldn't believe it, I thought I was in a loop or something
Thanks I'm going to check it out!
We could just let people with babies immigrate into the country easily instead of forcing people already here to have extra.
Oh wait that's not the right kind of baby? Weird.
How will you pay for them? Figure it out, loser!
Where will they live when the planet is actively killing us?
THATS THEIR PROBLEM!
It's your fault for not being heir to an apartheid-era emerald mine fortune, really. Should have chosen better parents.
Yeah, a real "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" situation there (for all the If Books Could Kill listeners)
Elon musk is just firing more and more people. What he want these kids to be? Steve Jobless?
He wants people to give him money, not the other way around.
He and his dad have a pregnancy thing. They both have some weird breeding fetish
Pls refill workforce
No, we aren't paying you a living wage to make it feasible
Juck get fucked
I would like to ask that woman if she is pregnant right now. If not, call her a hypocrite
You'd need to know if she is having unproctected sex. Exclusively unprotected. And no birth control. Babies can't happen if she's taking birth control.
"Are you currently being pumped full of hot man juice deep into your vagina?"
Socially UNacceptable:
“I’m getting hot sticky, messy cream pies deep in me every night, just literally filling my cunt with as much cum as I possibly can.”
Socially acceptable: “ I’m trying for a baby”.
Saw this before somewhere and annoys the hell out of me that it's "I'm trying" instead of "we're trying".
It implies that the person is trying it alone, which seems unlikely to succeed.
And no I don't consider any "nonstandard" ways of inserting steamy hot manjuice in dat pussy, since the first option already mentions the method being cream pies.
With her cap saying "ProLife", you know she is a religious zealot that's against scientific progress like birth control.
I feel like at this point you could just do the opposite of whatever old musky says and you'd be doing pretty alright for yourself.
Is this some stupid religious marketing campaign
It literally is. Everylife, the guys behind this, are a Chrisrian diaper company.
It does sound like they're full of shit.
At this point Capitalism is a religion. They pay as much attention to the real world facts as religions do.
This important PSA brought to you by Christo-Fascists everywhere!
decades of don't have kids if you can't afford them and now it's "have kids! They yearn for the mines!"
Can't wait for my vasectomy next week
All you need to know is that Everylife, the company behind this campaign, is a diaper trading company that officially pushes Christianity and fights "companies that have promoted the weakening of men in American society" and that "are pushing anti-family, anti-American agendas".
This is such a fucked up combo of right-wing politics and diapers I can't even
https://everylife.com/pages/our-mission
Let's play a game called "how many red flags can you cram into a single paragraph of text"
oh i'm having sex, non procreative, that is
I literally can't take care of my own life well enough, how do you expect me to be a good parent? This is why I'm celibate.
Also, I feel like there's enough people in the world already. Why do you guys need more than 8 billion people?
It's a house of cards that requires new souls to suffer for the wealthy. There will never be enough people to sate the desire for infinite growth.
Of course there's corporate greed involved.
You don't get it, they need more wage slaves STAT!
Slavery is the last thing I wanna see be brought back.
But slavery is pretty awesome.
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But slavery is pretty awesome.
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Was that a joke? Otherwise I don't get it?
I don't really feel like getting married and having children of my own. This is what I mean.
And no, it wasn't a joke.
I was confused by the celibate thing. As far as I know, you don't have to be celibate to not have children. I thought that you were joking, like "I am celibate because I don't want childs and totally not because I can't get a girl to heck me"
Well, remove "totally not" and replace "can't" with "don't wanna" and you'll get closer to the truth.
Simply being married is just not my thing, it's never been my thing.
Ah yes, Elon Musk, a very trustable source of wisdom
He's hoping only the white people are listening to him on this one.
Make more workers!
Ok, can you guarantee they will someday have a college education, housing, and Healthcare?
"NO! HAVE KIDS AND A SELECT FEW WILL WIN THE GENETIC LOTTERY AND BE ACCEPTED, THE REST CAN SUFFER."
Edit:
This is hilarious.
Musk first came into my view talking about how earth is overpopulated and we need to go to mars to survive.
Make more babies to be sacrificed to feed the Capital God
I won't say the people who took the picture (especially not Musk in the tweet) have good intentions but whatever economic system we live in, we need people to work to meet each other's needs e.g take care of older people though? Kids will be demanded by any system.
You need people to do things, absolutely. You need to take care of old people.
Do you need to have insurance agents? Do you need marketing, or the tax industry, or Wall Street, or managers? Do you need a sales department or an accountant? Do you need lawyers for 95% of the thing lawyers do? Do we need 4 different fast food restaurants in every shopping center?
I'd go so far as to say most jobs today aren't necessary. They're invented by humans to do abstract things that affect how humans interact and organize. Or, they're only necessary because of this arbitrary organization
They're also based on centuries of tradition and/or negotiation rather than intentional design, which means we spend a lot of unnecessary time navigating it.
I don't think we're ready to go without this kind of bureaucracy, because the pressures of late stage capitalism has done a real number on us all. Maybe in a couple generations. But a properly designed system would most certainly free up a hell of a lot of time to care for our elders
Sure, cool. Make health insurance cover my IVF then.
MKAE MORE WORKERS FOR US TO GRIND TO DUST
they say have more babies then cheer as families drown in the rio grande
capitalism requires constant population growth in order to sustain itself. The idea of unending exponential monetary growth cannot be sustained without unending population growth. for this reason every business, and every form of capitalism is doomed to eventual collapse. The only reason why it keeps going is because our fucking governments keep propping it up. this is why Elon musk's greatest fear is under population
More of a white Christian nutcase thing than a capitalist thing specifically.
Two sides of the same coin.
https://www.planetcritical.com/p/how-pronatalism-feeds-the-economy
Hell no. I struggle with being responsible for my own life and you want me to be responsible for more lives?
Skill issue
I feel like Elon and has this one covered
Nope, I removed that option last January.
ah yes, bring new sapient life unwillingly into this dying world. give them no future to look forwards to
I'm so glad that someone leaked that Roe v. Wade was getting overturned. I scheduled my sterilization and I'm so so happy. There is still a LONG waitlist to get sterilized.
No babies, no periods, no cramps, no mood swings, life is good. (Bilateral Salpingectomy and Endometrial Ablation are an awesome combo)
looks at sign.
Looks at woman holding it
"Alright, let's go."
Maybe the decision to have children is highly personal and should be left up to individual people to decide, either way?
How about, give us more money?
Abso-fucking-LUTELY not happening
Best I can do is vehement antinatalism
Nah. Have fun on Mars with your space yachts by yourselves or whatever.
Ok someone give me this lady's id I just wanna talk, just talk.. ಥ_ಥ
Oh yeah of course! I forgot I have an extra million dollars lying around waiting for me to spend it on a child
Nah fam. Not for me.
Making them is easy. Caring for them is a very different thing. If corpos want me to make them, they better pay up
We need more slaves and forgotten youth. /S
Isn't more babies the reason for the bad side of capitalism, homelessness, and other issues that many complain about on Lemmy?
Don't mind if I do.
Avoiding fertility tests is a crime
Antinatalist here.
No.
Not having kids is literally the best thing I can do for my kids.
Remember guys. Make more babies. EVERY LIFE.
this is really funny but I can't think of why
edit: despite what lemmy wants it to be, it's probably got nothing to do with capitalism or communism or any other systems of government (beyond 'haha billboard tell us to have sex')
These are apparently ads for a diaper company with an explicitly anti-abortion political agenda, because we live in a dystopian hell scape where such things apparently exist.
OP’s take is dumb. That said, if we take it at face value:
Capitalism is when the system wants you to fuck.
State Communism is when you get a forced abortion if you’ve already got a kid.
I don’t think this is the strong argument you think it is, OP.
Unequivocally based
Id put a baby in her and head out for a pack of smokes