I am pretty sure the artist is referring to the owner literally going out and buying either wet food with meat chunks or some other meal with meat directly in it, as opposed to dry food with no meat bits.
I'm aware healthy dry food contains meat. It's fundamentally necessary for cats. I could understand vegans not wanting raw or preserved meat in their house, and I think having dry food would be an easy compromise for most vegans, but the ones who are very loving of their pet companions would keep wet food and meat treats for their cats despite it.
Quite frankly if a vegan is so bad at research that they don't know cats need meat, I doubt they'd realize that dry food contains meat, and vice versa.
I think you are assuming something worse to be needlessly angry. I think you have an implicit bias that most vegans are idiots and that's lead you to your assumption.
I don't really care what people choose to eat. If you're vegan good for you, same with vegetarian or whatever diet you prefer.
I've just seen stories about vegans starving animals of proper nutrients trying to prove animals can survive on plant based diets and it's been a joke for a long time.
Carnivore means that nutrients typical found in meat are required for a nutrient-complete diet. Carnivore doesn't mean that meat itself is needed. Vegan cat food exists and has artificial taurin added for example. The kneejerk reaction of CaTs NeEd MeAT ThO is so frustrating. Educate yourself and stop be hypocrits.
Edit: Should have guessed you just want to parrot your existing believes lol but sure keep downvoting
There's a lot more to a balanced cat diet than just the nutrients. Even feeding a cat cooked rather than raw meat will lead to malformities and deficiencies in the long run. Forcing a cat on a vegan diet is an experiment with their health and well-being, which will most likely cause it to suffer unnecessarily.
If you really are that militant about not serving meat, just don't have a pet that is an obligate carnivore. There are plenty of herbivore animals to have as pets.
Yes, because cooking destroys certain nutrients. Has nothing to do with the source of the nutrients.
A diet is balanced as long as it contains all the nutrients an organism needs in a bio-available form and vegan cat food that checks these marks exist.
Not wanting animals to be needlessly killed isn't militant btw. but nice buzzword.
Couldn't find anything backing up your claim that meat without synthetic taurine makes cats sick (which sounds like BS) and actually find some info that said that long-term affects of synthetic taurine is unknown in cats, and may not be as bioavailable for them as animal-based taurine.
Not seeing the word "synthetic" there chief. Wanna try again?
Also from your article: "Cat foods that contain high-quality animal-based protein will supply adequate levels of taurine for a normal, healthy cat.
Supplemental taurine may be added to certain cat foods, especially diets that are formulated for specific needs such as heart disease or growth and development"
Food is just chemicals and it turns out it doesn't actually matter if the chemicals have a soul attached to them or not. Personally don't think vegans should own pets at all but the whole "they carnivores tho" is rly dumb
There is not vegan cat food that works just fine, and you're a fucking asshole if you force an obligate carnivore to become a vegan because of your personal human beliefs.
Cats eat no plant matter naturally. Absolutely none. If you have studies somehow proving that they can live by eating only things that they naturally never eat, feel free to educate me. But as far as I'm aware, attempting to put cats on a vegan diet is animal abuse.
I don't think they propose feeding your cats literally vegetables, but cat food made specifically for them, containing all the proteins and micronutrients they need, sourced from plant based materials.
Yes, but I am questioning whether such a thing is being produced and actually equivalent. The thread further down cites for example synthetic taurine to be of inferior nutritional value to natural taurine.
This isn't something I know a lot about, and it's probably possible to produce vegan cat food with sufficient nutrition somehow, but there's still a burden of proof that such a thing is actually on the market and shown to not be worse for cats.
Oh yeah? By taking care of my cat and supplying him with food that his body needs I'm an abuser? Because I buy meat based food from a company that buys their meat from a processor that buys their meat from a slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals? I don't think that's ironic, I think that's a stretch.
judging by your snarky reply, i'm guessing you understand how slaughterhouses work.
in your original comment i replied to, you go to great lengths to illustrate how removed you are from the whole process and how uncertain you are that the slaughterhouses are even abusing their animals. if you know what happens in slaughter houses, how could you even entertain the possibility of one existing that doesn't abuse their animals? they are purpose-built to do exactly that.
Killing does not equal abuse, ie torture. I have no doubt many slaughterhouses do, but that's not my fault--its my shitty government's fault for not protecting the animals and funding efforts to do so.
I still have to feed my cat what it needs. I'm a vegetarian, but biologically I'm not and neither is my cat. Unlike my cat, I have the option to become one voluntarily. Thus, meat is murder and yada yada but Mr. Whiskers needs his goddamn catfood.
I'm. Not. Slaughtering. Anything. You want to change the system, be my guest. But it's a matter of biology, not ethics.
Cats are fucking predators and that's final. People like you feed newborn babies oat milk and then are shocked when it dies. Indeed, clueless. Give vegans a bad name.
I mean you are arguing the exact opposite of what the original post is.
I've never researched it before but having read the links on this post, it seems like it is safe to feed your cat a diet that doesn't consist of meat. Great stuff I say, the world is slowly getting better. Ordering some for my cat now.
Well. My cat gets regular cat food, but I do kinda deny him "the choice of food". (He's prone to get diarrhea and gets a specialty food for sensitive stomachs.)
I fail to see how choosing for your cat somehow would he wrong, since literally every cat owner does it. We don't sent them shopping and accept whatever they bring home.
Vegan cat food is not just vegetables for the uninformed. It is made to have all the necessary components that a car needs in its diet, mostly it is just missing the death of an animal part.
People seem to be freaking out about vegan thing.
I am pretty sure the artist is referring to the owner literally going out and buying either wet food with meat chunks or some other meal with meat directly in it, as opposed to dry food with no meat bits.
Kibble is still made with meat in it it's just been pressed and dehydrated.
It's a reference to some stupid ass vegans that think obligate carnivores can survive on a plant based diet.
I'm aware healthy dry food contains meat. It's fundamentally necessary for cats. I could understand vegans not wanting raw or preserved meat in their house, and I think having dry food would be an easy compromise for most vegans, but the ones who are very loving of their pet companions would keep wet food and meat treats for their cats despite it.
Quite frankly if a vegan is so bad at research that they don't know cats need meat, I doubt they'd realize that dry food contains meat, and vice versa.
I think you are assuming something worse to be needlessly angry. I think you have an implicit bias that most vegans are idiots and that's lead you to your assumption.
There's a reason I said some vegans and not all.
I don't really care what people choose to eat. If you're vegan good for you, same with vegetarian or whatever diet you prefer.
I've just seen stories about vegans starving animals of proper nutrients trying to prove animals can survive on plant based diets and it's been a joke for a long time.
I am doubtful the author is going to drop something macabre like that, as a passing statement, in a comic about a robot wondering if he's loved.
I mean they're already referencing that loving something means giving it what it needs to flourish despite personal beliefs.
That's kinda the same reference just with a positive spin attempting to informative
No, robot, you’re loved. We scoop all the poops you make. We feed you all the food you need…
And you haven't chosen a name yet, but I'm happy to start calling you a nickname based off "tin" since you are made of metal.
I can also call you Siri
No such thing as a vegan cat. No such thing as a vegan cat. No such thing as a vegan cat.
The comic said the cat was fed meat though
Hey, I found this.
https://vegan.com/info/cats/
That article actually gives some strong arguments to not make your cat go vegan...
Yeah that's a good thing. Being vegan is a luxury for a lot of people, due to meat subsidies and societal pressures at present.
I just enjoy hearing other people's perspectives on this kind of stuff.
That's a very balanced and well written article, thank you.
Ok. People who even attempt to put their cat on a vegan diet should Fuck off forever.
Please read the next line
BOOM BLOCKED another animal abuser.
Hey, vegan.com is as reliable a source as Trump.com. You're a fucking moron.
Can you try to be less toxic to others?
I won't be forced to politely tolerate dumbasses.
Your username suggests otherwise.
Zing?
You chilled out yet?
Hey, thanks for getting all the cat abusers to out themselves so I could block them all... 👍
I occasionally pop into politics threads for the same reason lol, very quick way to filter assholes out of my lemmy experience!
Carnivore means that nutrients typical found in meat are required for a nutrient-complete diet. Carnivore doesn't mean that meat itself is needed. Vegan cat food exists and has artificial taurin added for example. The kneejerk reaction of CaTs NeEd MeAT ThO is so frustrating. Educate yourself and stop be hypocrits.
Edit: Should have guessed you just want to parrot your existing believes lol but sure keep downvoting
There's a lot more to a balanced cat diet than just the nutrients. Even feeding a cat cooked rather than raw meat will lead to malformities and deficiencies in the long run. Forcing a cat on a vegan diet is an experiment with their health and well-being, which will most likely cause it to suffer unnecessarily.
If you really are that militant about not serving meat, just don't have a pet that is an obligate carnivore. There are plenty of herbivore animals to have as pets.
Yes, because cooking destroys certain nutrients. Has nothing to do with the source of the nutrients.
A diet is balanced as long as it contains all the nutrients an organism needs in a bio-available form and vegan cat food that checks these marks exist.
Not wanting animals to be needlessly killed isn't militant btw. but nice buzzword.
Should go stop lions from eating gazelles ass first. You should always intervene in nature.
aaaand you’re now blocked.
Thanks for telling all of us. Vital information 🤡🤡🤡
Vegans that are Vegan for the animals probably wouldn't feed a cat other animals, it makes no sense. There is Vegan cat food that works just fine.
cats are carnivores. no diet will ever change that. feed your cats meat.
If you knew the history of cat food you would know that even meat made cats sick without added synthetic taurine.
They have since added taurine to all cat foods.
Vegan cat food is perfectly healthy for cats.
Was curious so I looked it up.
Couldn't find anything backing up your claim that meat without synthetic taurine makes cats sick (which sounds like BS) and actually find some info that said that long-term affects of synthetic taurine is unknown in cats, and may not be as bioavailable for them as animal-based taurine.
"Looked it up"
Not seeing the word "synthetic" there chief. Wanna try again?
Also from your article: "Cat foods that contain high-quality animal-based protein will supply adequate levels of taurine for a normal, healthy cat.
Supplemental taurine may be added to certain cat foods, especially diets that are formulated for specific needs such as heart disease or growth and development"
There is literally no difference in chemical structure between synthetic and natural taurine.
🤔
No but if you're a vegan you can't have the stuff out of animals; you have to make your own.
You’re willing to toy with making a cat blind AND spread information. Fuck off forever.
Food is just chemicals and it turns out it doesn't actually matter if the chemicals have a soul attached to them or not. Personally don't think vegans should own pets at all but the whole "they carnivores tho" is rly dumb
Vegans wouldn't "Own" someone else. Plenty of vegans rescue other animals and take care of them as wards.
I personally don't use the word pet when referring to non-human animals in someone's care.
Why not? That's the exact scenario the word applies to.
Because I use the same word for human animals and non-human animals. I would call a foster kid my pet. I call them my ward or a ward of the state.
There is not vegan cat food that works just fine, and you're a fucking asshole if you force an obligate carnivore to become a vegan because of your personal human beliefs.
I'm the asshole for not paying for animals to die?
Makes sense when you actually think about it for more than one second.
/S just incase.
Don't adopt a carnivore if you're not willing to meet their biological needs. It's not a complex solution.
Except I would be meeting their biological needs. Y'all really don't like understanding science do you?
Cats eat no plant matter naturally. Absolutely none. If you have studies somehow proving that they can live by eating only things that they naturally never eat, feel free to educate me. But as far as I'm aware, attempting to put cats on a vegan diet is animal abuse.
I don't think they propose feeding your cats literally vegetables, but cat food made specifically for them, containing all the proteins and micronutrients they need, sourced from plant based materials.
Yes, but I am questioning whether such a thing is being produced and actually equivalent. The thread further down cites for example synthetic taurine to be of inferior nutritional value to natural taurine.
This isn't something I know a lot about, and it's probably possible to produce vegan cat food with sufficient nutrition somehow, but there's still a burden of proof that such a thing is actually on the market and shown to not be worse for cats.
I agree with you but cats will eat some grasses occasionally.
You agree with someone spouting incorrect statements?
No! Cats are obligate carnivores. A vegan diet would literally kill them painfully.
https://www.veganforum.org/threads/vegan-cats-age-20-years-old-examples.3455/
I call bullshit on your anecdotal video from deranged people with an obvious agenda.
Cats are carnivores. Forcing a vegan diet on them is animal abuse and anyone who does so should never be allowed to care for animals again.
In the link I sent there are references to plenty of articles. Just scroll down.
Abuser.
The irony.
Oh yeah? By taking care of my cat and supplying him with food that his body needs I'm an abuser? Because I buy meat based food from a company that buys their meat from a processor that buys their meat from a slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals? I don't think that's ironic, I think that's a stretch.
Some vegans are such clueless pricks.
what do you think happens in a slaughterhouse lmao?
I'm not sure. Please explain it to me, dad.
judging by your snarky reply, i'm guessing you understand how slaughterhouses work.
in your original comment i replied to, you go to great lengths to illustrate how removed you are from the whole process and how uncertain you are that the slaughterhouses are even abusing their animals. if you know what happens in slaughter houses, how could you even entertain the possibility of one existing that doesn't abuse their animals? they are purpose-built to do exactly that.
Killing does not equal abuse, ie torture. I have no doubt many slaughterhouses do, but that's not my fault--its my shitty government's fault for not protecting the animals and funding efforts to do so.
I still have to feed my cat what it needs. I'm a vegetarian, but biologically I'm not and neither is my cat. Unlike my cat, I have the option to become one voluntarily. Thus, meat is murder and yada yada but Mr. Whiskers needs his goddamn catfood.
"Slaughterhouse that may abuse their animals" Slaughterhouse... Slaughter.... House...
And I'm the clueless one...
I'm. Not. Slaughtering. Anything. You want to change the system, be my guest. But it's a matter of biology, not ethics.
Cats are fucking predators and that's final. People like you feed newborn babies oat milk and then are shocked when it dies. Indeed, clueless. Give vegans a bad name.
"I pay someone to slaughter someone" = "hurr durr I'm not slaughtering anyone the person I paid to slaughter someone is!"
Yeah pretty much hurr durr
All meat eaters are purposefully keeping themselves clueless.
But vegans who adopt pets they then refuse to feed what they NEED to live aren't?
I mean you are arguing the exact opposite of what the original post is.
I've never researched it before but having read the links on this post, it seems like it is safe to feed your cat a diet that doesn't consist of meat. Great stuff I say, the world is slowly getting better. Ordering some for my cat now.
So a cat isn't the right pet for them. Abusing a cat is literally the opposite of caring for an animal.
The fact that this has so many upvotes is upsetting.
Vegans for the animals that own an animal and deny it the choice of food are hypocritical.
Well. My cat gets regular cat food, but I do kinda deny him "the choice of food". (He's prone to get diarrhea and gets a specialty food for sensitive stomachs.)
I fail to see how choosing for your cat somehow would he wrong, since literally every cat owner does it. We don't sent them shopping and accept whatever they bring home.
Sentient beings aren't food!
Vegan cat food is not just vegetables for the uninformed. It is made to have all the necessary components that a car needs in its diet, mostly it is just missing the death of an animal part.
like motor oil?
And gasoline you fucking idiot can't you READ
maybe try learn to write first?
Imagine coming into a thread about a comic and being this far off topic. Big L dude.