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To be clear, you're not going to get definitive answers from anyone on canonical meanings for the tenets because they're open to interpretation. They were written fairly broadly by design to accommodate various worldviews (and likely to be interesting to discuss).

For me, Tenet IV which talks about the freedom of others to offend is not a paradox. You have every right to remove yourself from the company of those who are offending you, but they in turn have the right to be offensive. Now, that is not to say that people who choose to offend are absolved of the consequences of their actions. In our Satanic social circles for example, if people are offensive, they are removed and are free to go be offensive elsewhere. Therefore, the personal choice to offend as a Satanist is one that must be taken deliberately. I see this tenet as a caution against pushing for restrictive free speech in the public square lest we lose our own free speech which may, through no direct intent of our own, offend people like fundamentalist Christians, for example.

Tenet II which is about the struggle for justice has been kicked around a lot in discussions. The other part of the wording that people ponder is the meaning of "prevail". There are obviously various meanings for both of those words. Justice could be moral justice, social justice, legal justice... I've seen some people question if it even means retributive/vigilante justice and I think that's obviously a bridge too far and incompatible with the rest of the tenets, which are meant to be understood holistically. As far as "prevail" goes, I interpret it to be more of a synonym for "guide" or "inspire" than "supercede".

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Email would be the obvious way to contact most people and it should be used, but (at least on lemmy.ml) email isn't required to create an account.

For people who were rejected and don't have an email associated, I do think it would be wise to implement some sort of login flow that could lead back to a set of follow up questions and/or a notice of outright rejection.

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Even if I hosted my own BitWarden vault, I wouldn't put my passwords and 2 factor tokens in the same place because it's eliminating the benefits that 2 factor provides if someone somehow manages to get into my vault.

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The Lemmy dev team could use some help with their database issues - Lemmy.world

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Yeah, just thinking about things logically here, the more they can automate expensive queries on the back end on a more periodic basis and then cache the results regardless of what's happening with page views on the front end, the better things should be. It's a lot cheaper for a database to serve cached results in lookups. I'm not a database guy and not really qualified to help fix any of these issues, but I'm just drawing from what I remember from my databases course in college.

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Reminder to all: Be respectful when disagreeing.

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Tone policing is classist

Apologies if this is something that you think should be obvious to anyone, but I'm genuinely curious what you mean by "classist" here.

I occasionally encounter assholes from all walks of life and prefer to avoid them all the same. I'm actively in favor of reasonable moderation on social media sites to filter assholes out because it's better for my mental health.

Nobody's saying we can't have differences of opinion and disagreements. But I don't think it's unreasonable that we should be expected to engage respectfully or not at all. This is a standard that should be applied equally to all. It's difficult to do, but we should also strive to hold people we otherwise generally agree with on principle accountable if they're being aggressive/hostile/antagonistic because, at best, they're being a bad advocate of our own positions and, at worst, they're being an asshole.

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Yeah, I'm certainly not going to delete my Reddit account immediately. When Digg was fucking up, it took several rounds and I really made sure I was going to be comfortable on Reddit before I deleted my account there. But once critical mass was achieved, there were major threads on Digg that became literal ghost towns of deleted account comments pretty quickly. It was obvious what was happening. I don't expect we're going to see quite the same massive collapse at Reddit unless they follow up this API decision with killing old.reddit in a month and then dropping all NSFW communities in another month. If they do those things, Reddit is going to essentially die.

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We're getting into an area where religious beliefs are less defined for me than my political beliefs lol. I'll gladly share my political beliefs on this topic, but I can offer even less assurance of consensus with fellow Satanists on this.

I personally believe in clearly defined free speech zones and I do not believe school should qualify as one. There have to be rules against harassment, hate speech, and proselytizing in places that people have no choice but to be (and the possibility of home schooling or private schooling does not preclude this right because those are not available to all).

Free speech zones should be limited to the public square (public property, parks, sidewalks, etc). There've been many debates about whether social media sites should become mandated free speech zones and I personally think that is a really bad idea. We need to be able to choose not to be harassed in our personal areas both in real life and online.

Unfortunately, we have to let bigots be able to speak freely both in their personal spaces and in the public square (within reasonable constraints, no credible threats of violence obviously). They have the right to free speech and all we can do is walk away or drown them out in public.

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Revisiting the whole idea of offense, I think there are really 2 broad categories. There are willfull acts of offense and unintended offense. The first category could be shouting slurs at people, attacking someone's character, engaging in general emotional bullying, etc. The second could include, for example, offending someone by simply existing and living out one's life in public (LGBTQIA+ individuals, BIPOC individuals, atheists, and Satanists are a few examples). The first kind of offensiveness is rarely warranted. The second kind is unavoidable for people who want to live normal lives amongst pearl clutching haters. To the haters, I say suck it up.

Previously, I mentioned the tenets should be understood holistically and Tenet VI is a great example to look at:

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

I think this ties into the topic of offense at least as far as a Satanist is concerned because it encourages us to try to make amends if we offend someone without justification.

So TL/DR on the topic of offense, I believe the tenets encourage us not to do it without a good reason, but also not to encroach on others' right to offend within reasonable limits.