Neat, but, I have to admit, completely incomprehensible to the uninitiated 😅

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Lemmy is the public kitchen.

Sanger was laid off from Wikipedia early on, started a competitor site that failed, and then returned to Wikipedia not so much to contribute but to rail against the project, his only credentials being setting up some of the crucial rules for the site two decades ago. It was really pathetic, like an ex pestering the other one years after the breakup, unable to move on. I hope he finds a better hobby now.

dėfŭnct', a. Dead (the ~, way of mentioning a particular dead person), no longer existing. [f. L ᴅᴇ(functus p.p. of fungi perform) dead]

The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English. Edited by H. W. Fowler and F. G. Fowler, based on The Oxford Dictionary. Fifth edition (1964). Revised by E. McIntosh. Reprint 1972.

If there’s actual, provable lies about a notable person in the encyclopedia, then there should be actual, provable truths to combat it

No, not necessarily. Lots of false info spreads around, including serious academic publications. People who publish books and articles don't always do additional verification of the stuff they read elsewhere. And if nobody publishes something containing the correct version of the story, you as a WP editor don't really have a reliable source that you can use against the existing ones. I've seen this happen multiple times. Wikipedia is nominally meant just to convey what the sources say, not do active research or provide you with the capital T Truth.

Last year I had to fight tooth and nail to delete some bullshit article based on Cold War era propaganda that nobody bothered to directly scrutinise and criticise (there was thankfully enough related information out there that undermined the article indirectly). These days I checked a dozen books to confirm a term regularly used on WP is made up by whoever created the page two decades ago, so I'll have to try and dispute it. A friend of mine has spent years looking for historical documents confirming some statement that's been repeated by historians in passing since mid-20th century with no proper corrobating info, obviously repeated on WP as well. Sometime last year there was a reddit thread by a relative of some minor desceased celebrity from 90s who said the celebrity's WP article is entirely based on one journalist's sensationalist book that even got their year of birth wrong; the relative was advised to contact WP's legal team to see if they can solve that somehow.

No, these are not major bits of misinformation, but in specific areas and for specific people they are important. Not claiming GWB is still the president of the US is a very low bar that Wikipedia has already passed like 15 years ago, rather I'm talking about the limits of their sourcing policy. Many sources will say who's the current president of a country, but what do you do when there's one source that got something wrong, two other ones that just repeated what the first said (a very common thing, obviously), and nothing else?

No, I agree. One indicative moment was when Google stopped showing the "X million results found" and the results ended after 10-15 pages even when the keywords should have millions of results. This was noticed back in 2021.

Nice to see Russia is starting to take care of and protect its population. Keep it up.

Lol.

Now Google is so good you never have to look that far anyway :^)

.ml isn't blocked on .world

The blog in question is literally pro-Trump, lol: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/40k-subs-milestone-and-another-one

Why would you question something so clear and simple, unless you mean to dissuade people from the notion that Russian has no organised propaganda online

I literally asked "Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda?", which presupposes that Russian propaganda exists (because it exists, the article linked by the user there being an example) and that Americans are falling for it. Learn to read instead of inventing stuff that I didn't say.

But you’re just a shitstirrer, that’s obvious from your profile.

Huh?

So you just can’t recognise Russian propaganda spread purposefully when you see it, no matter what?

I can both recognise Russian propaganda and know that not everyone who spreads it is personally Russian.

If you can find those screenshots of Davel's Russian comments, I'd seriously like to see them. I came across people on Lemmy claiming even Dessalines could be Russian, yet there's no proof of that, even though he uses the same phrases as "the imperialist West" etc., his reddit comments from many years ago show he's from the US, his recordings on Youtube are in native US English, etc. He just ate up some of the weirder strains of Russian propaganda along with lots of other ideas (the sort of tankie ideology seen on Lemmy is primarily a US phenomenon, I believe a weird off-shoot of Cold War pro-USSR narratives). So I'm suspicious of this blanket conclusion that everyone who spreads pro-Russia, anti-west narratives is necessarily foreign to the US.

I studied Russian for a while, I've seen lots of Russian memes online, etc, but I have no idea what "вахтера" could mean?

Unconditional surrender, for the US, I suppose?

What makes you believe he isn’t Russian?

1. I believe that the majority of Lemmy users are Americans (the majority of discourse is US-centred, non-English communities except German ones are effectively nonexistent).

2. Davel's rhetoric partly aligns with Russian propaganda, but its pseudo-leftist bent is not really found in Russian propaganda or in Russian popular discourse.

But Davel is, I know that for a fact.

I again would ask you, if possible, to find the screenshots. I don't think it's impossible, I just think it's less likely than him being American. Solid evidence can decisively end this dispute.

you’re a shitstirrer who got angry that Davel got talked about

Literally my first comment ITT was pointing out the article he linked is written by a pro-Trump blogger. If you think that was meant to be in any way a defense of Davel, that's just crazy.

The rest is random accusations with no heads or tails that I don't think can be meaningfully responded to. I have one alternative profile (now unused) which is linked in my profile description.

Why do you think he couldn't be American? Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda? There's been several stories of US right-wingers simping for Russia so hard they moved there, frequently with comical outcomes, sent to the frontlines, etc., this is the same thing with a (not very convincing) left-wing coat of paint.

(Except for multiocular O. Oh, wtf, they changed it recently!)

How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?

None personally, since I don't talk with Americans except on forums online, though obviously I've read texts by a number of them (scholarly writing on Russian language and literature) and have seen and interacted with them on Russian-learning communities online. If you find that to be relevant. Do you know Russian well enough to judge his fluency anyway?

implying defense of Russia

I really don't believe you could look through my comment history, as you claimed, see my recent post with Semyon Skrepetsky's painting, and say I'm in any way a defender of Russia. It looks like you're just looking for enemies.

Lemmy isn't indexed on Google very well, and finding people's accounts that way is nigh impossible. I found his older inactive account on Lemmygrad and that's it, and there's no Russian there as far as I could see. Of course, maybe he deleted the comments in question, etc.

If you do run across the pics, even long after this discussion is over, don't hesitate to post them, I'll be thankful.

AI hallucinations are a waste of time.

Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda?

You're still ascribing me ideas that I didn't say or even outright denied (particularly this nonsense: accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda), and you're not even trying to corrobate your previous claims. It's actually crazy how hard you're ignoring the things I wrote even on points where we agree. You do have to understand that US is a very different country from yours and you can't project all of your local issues onto it. US's relationship to and perspective on Russia is different from yours in Finland, and just as their right-wingers could have latched onto one strain of Russian propaganda, so could their Marxists; you likely won't find clear parallels to their logic in your home country due to different history, political climate, proximity to Russia, etc. But you have to understand that in different countries different political positions can arise due to different circumstances.

Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn’t breathe

That sounds very worrying, I hope you're just joking here.

How likely do you think that is?

Um, what? Did I say anything regarding your own nationality? Why in the world would I suspect you're Russian, why would you have to prove to anyone you're not?

You have some issues bigger than some pro-Russian useful idiots on a small forum. I won't reply anymore because I don't want to make you puke, I wish you all the best.

Neat, lel. What are those things on the right, though? A car, a penis-shaped Satan?