Agreed and those challenges are outdated and anti-fun, they're relics from the bad pixel dungeon. If the next update can tweak these with a badge for winning 10 challenges I'd be so happy to play again

Wow I'm surprised that vial of blood actually outperforms chaotic censer as the most hated trinket. I know vial sucks but damn. Also good to see that people dislike Yog not because he's hard, but actually because he's too weak and underwhelming as a final boss. Sometimes I feel like the real final boss of shattered is demon hall floors... and demon halls seem to be voted because it feels incomplete without quest. The rest of these are unsurprising and it's always nice to see math breakdowns when discussing why certain rings are worse than the other

Agreed and I remembered that I only got one seed and small gold, the gold chest room is never worth doing

Well, you exaggerate warrior stats, then accuse people of bias? Like how is +50% damage equal to 5 upgrades? It's actually less than 3 upgrades. 5-30 with three +1/+6 is more than 50% already. You're overestimating warrior, he's not good.

Congrats for the win!

No one's forced to do anything man... people are free to express their opinions, just please let them have their fun with this event and say their opinions. You've been arguing against them to death for months because you know everyone's going to vote warrior and ring of tenacity, things that you're incredibly biased against. You can join in the discussion and disagree with your own opinions, but the problem is you never try to understand the other side and you just keep bothering everyone who criticized these, constantly trying to dismiss and "win" arguments :/ You mentioned to me that you had to leave r/pixeldungeon because people don't like you there, but a few people have noted that you're insufferable on r/shatteredpd too

Yea I dislike sundial too and I feel the effect is too small and probably only helpful for farming. Sundial got the third place vote it seems. Maybe it needs a third helpful effect that doesn't care about time of day :/

I will put warding in B but otherwise seems okay. I never used darts much because most of them are bad.

Aw yess, it's a good update. But does mossy trinket giving 2/3 water floors just reduce seed and dew output, because it replaces normal floors? It seems to be nerfed too much and maybe 40% / 60% is better... or maybe mossy clump cost can be reduced now that it's nerfed, I don't see how it's worth that crazy upgrade cost anymore. It'd be cool to see more trinket buffs, I think sundial, vial of blood, and trap mechanism still needs it... they're very unappealing to use. Enemy magic casters are especially lethal with trap mechanism :/

Whoa you're being such a dick, you accuse bias but it looks like you're just projecting

Whoa I don't even know you can categorize steam games like this, thanks for showing

I know about the 1-win thing, it's awesome to hear that shattered has decent daily players and it's going strong, it's harder to manipulate with those numbers. The meaning of data is subjective, and a bad actor could try losing or winning a lot with a specific build to manipulate it. But it should be harder to do if those daily numbers are true.

Yeah from my experience, cleric is a bit too strong right now after the holy tome recharge buff. Purity potion identification is excellent for challenges, and most spells are very good, except certain things like mnemonic prayer which I also think should be instant cast.

Yea this is important to emphasize, data will definitely lie. Newbies often use rogue and huntress which tanks their winrate, but that doesn't mean they're worse than warrior. And players who know a lot about the game will try weird things like upgrading bad rings and throwables (and win), but this doesn't mean that they're good upgrade options.

This isn't a game with massive daily players, and if data is from players who won once then it's a very small sample that can be easily manipulated. Sometimes I'm scared to win with a bad class + item because I know it'll muddy the data :/

Woww see, this insane thread is exactly why I've been calling you out for being a dick. You're harassing people on other sites too, this disrespectful typing style of doubling down and constantly saying bro is too similar, you just keep butting in to conversations you don't like and say tank warrior is better than cleric among other crazy takes. Just pipe down and let people say their opinions bro... disagree if you want but don't be stubborn and have a respectful open mind, and stop twisting words to make people look bad

Well yeah... that's why the OP recommends to see the posts for the full discussion. But for the most part these items won votes by a wide margin, the only exception I see is vial of blood who barely won against censer 2nd place. Yeah there's some disagreements here and there, but people generally vote the top comments because they agree with their points on why something sucks, and the disagreeing comments have low vote ratio against it. Tbh a lot of the "disagreements" come from you, like on the ring of tenacity post it's honestly impressive how you try to argue against so many people :/ I'm not going to argue on what opinion is "right" or "wrong", but I will say that this image is indeed just a rough idea on what the community thinks

I've also now seen the worst wand post and it looks like you've made even more enemies harassing darkblizzard and even rivlin got annoyed. You really need to calm down and please just let people have fun sharing their opinions

Oh I'm respecting people who disagree alright, just today I've been seeing all the posts from this community event, whether it's a popular opinion with 100 votes or the unpopular ones with <5 votes. But what more context do you need? On the tenacity post, people generally says it's the worst because if you break down the maths it's weak compared to other rings. On yog post the top comment says it's the worst boss because it's underwhelming, weak, and boring. If you want the full discussion of course you need to see the posts :/ But yanno what, the more I see these SHPD discussions from these events, the more I realize why so many people dislike you. Vordexxx got angry at you, Dekklin got angry at you, StickOnReddit got angry, the list goes on. You somehow have so much free time to argue every day, it's insane... I'm santaclaws on reddit and I too get pissed at you for trying to attack everyone for having opinions you don't like

We still need to make a difference to the environment no matter how small it is, while at the same time we should also condemn the top 1% for burning the earth

you gotta try cleric before they get nerfed, the spells are crazy and warrior is pitifully weak compared to them

Yeah you're just gonna keep doubling down and never self-reflect. Think man, why did people block you on reddit? Why did people tell you to leave them alone? You discuss in such a harassing, dismissive way. And by twisting words you keep changing their meaning to counterargue easier... here on lemmy you did that too with the warrior discussion back then, and smear people to look bad. It seems like ever since rivlin announced the event, you've been trying to shut down the event on reddit by saying "this is just asking for trouble", "this is rigged", and you keep telling people that they have controversial opinions for saying corruption wand, tenacity is the worst... but then you went ahead and say exp potion is somehow the worst potion. It's like you're addicted to being a contrarian and wants to prevent the unpopular items from getting improved at all costs