It could have been another one. I expanded on my stance that discouraging activism or voting is an act of support for the status quo, specifically MAGA. Maybe that crossed the mod's line. /shrug.

...at this rate I'm pretty sure he could spray bullets from a literal machine gun into a random crowd, and about 2/3 of those who were hit and survived would still give him their approval.

I wouldn't mind seeing a whole community dedicated to this.

...um.... whoops. I definitely feel responsible for adding fuel to that fire. What a shit time to be a mod.

Kinda feel like I owe you a beer.

Like it’s not only campists who use the terminology “blue MAGA”. Anarchists and other non-campist revolutionaries rightly use the terminology (although I would personally not label someone reluctantly going to the polls as “Blue MAGA”; I would use that term for someone more emphatic and supportive of the policies that liberal politicians are responsible for).

I may be misusing the term? My understanding (gained entirely through context in posts like this discussion - so if it was misused in those cases, then I'm parroting an error) is that it's kind of false flag effort to lure anyone left of the fascists currently running the country to dispersing their support to a wider array of easier-to-defeat opponents. Divide and conquer kinda situation. Idk if there's any kind of 'coined' meaning, I thought it was just internet slang.

Like can you see where I’m coming from here? If you really didn’t mean to call all anti-electoralists neo-nazis then… okay I guess, but that’s not how I read it.

I do see where your coming from. And frankly I agree with a lot of it, which is why the idea of 'blue MAGA' (or whatever we're calling the shit I described above) is getting me so worked up: it's deceptive, with the goal of tricking actually decent people into supporting something awful.

In any case -- All anti-electoralists? certainly not. Anti-electoralism isn't what I have an issue with. You're sick of being forced to choose any evil, lesser or otherwise. I get the fuck out of that. The state of our elections is abysmal, in which "vote for me because I'm not the other guy" is often the literal only selling point. It's exhausting, it doesn't work, it needs to go away. The shitty reality is that we're in that system whether we like it or not; and the options presented within are NOT equal - one of those options of going full Nazi right now, and when I call MAGA Nazis, I'm not saying that as an insult, I'm saying they're actually acting like Nazis. If we're a given any power at all that be used against Nazis, we should use it whether or not we approve of the system it exists in.

In short, I agree with your disapproval of the process; it's shit. I disagree with the notion that participating in voting is equal to supporting that system. We (collectively) need to be more strategic with our resources. Vote for the least shit option within a shit system; riot to break the system and reform it into something that's actually humane.

recognized that some hierarchies are unacceptable while not (yet?) realizing that the State is inherently one such hierarchy

I kinda got ahead of myself with the previous paragraphs, but basically the same spiel here. There's no shame in participating in a system that you're stuck in anyway, especially if that participation can nudge it away from Nazism.

The campists you’re running into here are probably not Trump supporters.

...I mean, hopefully not. I try to give anyone the benefit of the doubt by default (although that's feeling increasingly naive). Yourself included. What I have to question though, is what's the goal? Especially here - Lemmy seems to be a mostly left-leaning space, so spreading notions of a false equivalence between Trump/his mini-Nazis, with is going to detract from the effort to oppose him. And even if you intend to engage in other more impactful, high-risk-high-reward activism, why skip the vote? Voting is way less effort and way less risk, and I can't stress this enough, doesn't stop you from any other action.

It’s just that…“America bad” is a correct answer 99% of the time, and 99% is good enough for some people to round it up to 100%. (And even in the 0.1% where it’s not the correct answer…it is true because America is bad, it’s just not a helpful answer.) IMO campism is a cognitive distortion, but it’s understandable where it comes from.

America bad. I get it. Let's maybe try to make it not bad. Or at least less bad to start with. Discouraging voter turnout isn't going to accomplish that.

Edit - I just saw the mod post here warning against soap-boxing about voting, which is 100% what you and I are doing. We should probably move this conversation to PMs if you want to keep it rolling. We're getting way outside the scope of what I posted in LSC.

A: "Don't touch that - fire has a long history of hot."

B: "Ow, fire hot!"

A: "You fuckin moron, I just told you it's hot!"

...

A: "Hey, remember fire? Its back, still hot. Don't touch it this time."

B: "HELP! IT BURNS!!!"

A: develops drinking problem

Nurse here. The software we chart with (that I've used at least - plenty out there I haven't touched) ranges from meh to absolute shit. Some of the features on my wishlist would be elimination of redundant charting (like, if put the date down in one section, don't fuckin ask in 3 others!), a way to save templates without patient-specific data, so when I do the same procedure on 5 different people, I can just click the template and fill in any holes instead of starting from scratch each time. Some actual standardization so different programs can actually talk to eachother. Like, ER, scheduling, preop, surgery, anesthesia, recovery, med surg, and sterile processing are all departments that might be involved in a single patient visit (checked into ER, sent for emergency surgery, then kept overnight for observation before discharge)... there'll be some overlap, but scheduling, anesthesia, and sterile processing are usually each rocking their own unique software. The others are usually decently linked up nowadays, but still with the odd exception... like trying to get surgical updates from ICU so you know when to have a bed ready; but the chart is just dead and now a PACU nurse is calling report cuz the surgery finished 40 fuckin minutes ago, all because some some jackass in the ER left the patient's chart open which locked everyone else out of signing their notes. Surprise!

...most of the issues with our charting software boils down to dumb shit like that - proprietary systems that are incapable of communicating, or just good ol' fashioned garbage design. And it'll stay that way, cuz oligopoly.

Vote for whoever has the best shot of keeping the greater evil out of office

I fail to see how that’s not lesser-evil rhetoric.

That's because you're assuming the lesser evil is always the one in second place. If you don't think any 3rds have the potential to break into that coveted political standing between the red and blue teams, that's on you.

My posts only expressed hostility to MAGA, which summoned defensive tankies like a swarm of flies closing in on a freshly dropped turd. The longer I'm on this website, the more I'm noticing that behavior. It's gotten to the point that I'm questioning if "tankies" are even a thing, or if that's just a shitty attempt to conceal their red caps and klan robes under a poorly executed online persona for 'lols'.

I digress - my suspicion of tankies is off topic, outside of their overt and consistent support for MAGA and ilk, which I did call out in the previous thread.

Damn, I can't believe Halo CE hasn't been mentioned yet. That game was a musical awakening for the entire industry.

Listen, existential threats are important and all, but there's a trans kid who wants to play soccer, and I vaguely remember something about a tan suit, so... I think I'll just sit this one out - surely my countrymen can be trusted to make the right decision!

Gotta have standards, ya know?

There's none that I'm aware of that basically anonymizes patient data for use outside of healthcare.

Billing and insurance all falls under HIPAA - those facets and every other aren't disallowed (legally) from things like printing sensitive info - basically if it's being used as part of your care, it's fine.

And students are no exception - when they're on a clinical rotation, they're on that patient's healthcare team and can legally access and print etc that info. The problem is that students still need that data for use outside of that care, and HIPAA doesn't give a fuck about their homework, so any papers that have PHI on it become a violation when they start being accessed for those things. And schools don't trust students not to fuck that up, so they'll come up with overkill-by-design policies like disallowing students from printing PHI, even if it's for use on that clinical and meant to be shredded before leaving. So, the school wants to play things extra safe.

...this isn't to say that insurance companies aren't abusing your data, but can legally handle it within the scope of your billing.

If it makes you feel any better, your post here and now is the first time I heard of it. No clue what the 6 7 thing is, lol.

I have a random suggestion that might be a little more useful/unique than my bitching above, (which you've probably heard a few thousand times already...)

One area that's lacking in EVERY program I've used for charting is education. We get nursing students pretty regularly, as have the previous hospitals I've worked at (guessing this is pretty universal - where there are nursing positions, there are nursing schools fighting over clinical slots). When I was in school, we were given access to real patient's charts during clinicals, and we spent a lot of time doing things like sitting at the nursing station and staring at a computer monitor at lists of lab values/meds/vitals trends/etc and whipping a pen out and transposing that shit onto paper so we could take it home and write a care plan from it. Patient data could be printed, but doing so was forbidden by the school program, because HIPAA - and understandably so, given the legal ramifications for fucking that up. Even copying the data into a word doc and manually omitting names and such was still hard no for the same reason - we might miss something and accidentally violate HIPAA.

So, the idea this is all leading up to: in the 'View' tab or something, make an option for "student view" that pulls up a plain text summary of the patient -- but without any PHI. Anything entered into a patient's name field will output as "PATIENT"; staff entered will just be "DOCTOR, DOCTOR2, NURSE, TECH" etc. Patient's age? Round to the nearest 5. Dates? Fudge all of them by a random number of days (RNG on generating a report) , but by a consistent amount for all dates in that report, ie real admission date of Dec 3 2025 and discharge date of Dec 5 2025 --> RNG applies -42 days --> Student View summary reports Admission at Oct 22 2025, and discharge at Oct 24 2025. Labs? Fudge it by RNG with +/- 1% of real value.

You get the gist.

Give me a report that's useless as fuck for the real patient - no PHI at all. BUT, you've essentially just generated a completely fake patient with useful data for a case study. In the student's mind, there's no difference - "PATIENT, 75, MALE, hospitalized for 2 days" is effectively the same case study as "Leeroy Jenkins, 73, Male, hospitalized on these specific dates, 2 days apart". Slightly tweaked labs? who gives a shit, all they care about is if they're out of range by a clinically significant margin.

And here's a golden bit: PRINT THAT SUMBICH!! Or fuck it, email the .txt to your student email so you can copy and paste it. There's no HIPAA, so it doesn't matter. What matters is the student isn't wasting their clinical hours fucking around on a computer - get their ass into a patient room where they can do some nursing, cuz they'll learn more there than the entire rest of the degree program. They can crunch the data for a care plan at home.

...that ended up being really wordy. Sorry about the wall of text. On the off chance anything comes of it, let me know!

That's not what strawman is... regardless, I came here to mock the MAGA dipshits - I didn't check the comments first to see if any were trying to actively engage. Nor will I, as I'm in full agreement with you on being unwilling to associate with those traitors.

Hard not to contrast it against today's shit show. Even Bush seems reasonable when you hold him against Trump. People are literally getting nostalgic for less bad. Still bad, just less bad.