@Lost_My_Mind You are welcome to your opinion but given that it contains no statement it is factually absent. Why not engage in the discourse and make an objective statement?

@Lost_My_Mind OK, I accept that yours was simply another poor attempt at abuse but lets try debate. Forget that I want peace and imagine that I accept that war is the only way. If we do have an all out war with Russia that involves Ukraine as the main battlefield, how would that help Ukraine? China, Iran etc. would take Russia's side which would mean arms exchanges in either direction. How do you believe we would survive? Even if you manage to murder enough people to claim a victory what state would Europe be left in? Do you honestly see it as worth the mass murder and destruction on both economic and infrastructure? Why is peace such a bad option? Remember, Russia only wanted a referendum. Russia wanted democracy yet Boris Johnson wanted war. The people of Ukraine voted for Zelenskyy because he stood on a platform of avoiding the war that everyone could see coming. It was not Russia or Ukraine that wanted this war. What do we gain? I walked through the streets of east London 15 years after WWII and the rubble had been cleared and there was just miles of roads with no buildings. Winning is not as great as it sounds. It took decades to rebuild Europe. To make me see differently you need to convince me that war is worth it. You need to tell me how war is better than democracy. We had the debate over Northern Ireland where there were two entrenched sides at war and it was US President Clinton that said that the UK should allow the IRA to run in the election. The UK said that they would never surrender to terrorists etc. (after having handed part of Palestine to Irgun) but eventually the IRA formed Sein Fein and were allowed to take part in the elections. They got 2% of the vote and the IRA crept away into the shadows. Peace works. The Ukrainian people want it.

@lokalhorst When did the UK admit to having troops in Ukraine and stop making out it only offered defence? Even if you were correct how would that change what I said? There are lots of differences between the two sides but when someone says that Russia invaded they clearly did not follow what happened. We took a side in the civil war as did Russia. We sent in troops secretly and after 8 years of trying to stop the ethnic cleansing and genocide Russia took a side. Russia took the side of the ethnic Russian people who were being cleansed which, given they are ethnic Russian I can see there reason. We took the side of the people waving the Bandera flag. The Nazis. At least Russia spent 8 years trying to agree a peaceful way through before Boris Johnson stepped in and got Zelenskyy to agree to war.

@Seppo Ohh, come on. If you are going to descend into childish abuse I am sure you can do better than that. How about "Kremlin bot"? I see it as you that is uneducated given you lack the ability to look at the situation objectively and would rather thousands of people die and a whole country is destroyed. If people only follow the propaganda they only go to war. I am opposed to war.

@Sepia Who created the armies within Ukraine that were focused on war? It was not the Ukrainian people as they wanted peace. It would have taken a lot of money to create Azov, Sich and Right Sector. Then again if you wish to continue being simplistic you could say Azov, Sich and Right Sector. Or you could forget about the start and move on 8 years and blame Russia.

@Sepia Western propaganda says that Russia is the aggressor and eastern propaganda says the west is. When the country descended into civil war due to a violent coup each side blames the other. That is normal and the opposite of working toward peace. Wave your flag all you like but to me you look disgusting as you stand on the bodies of others. You should learn the actual history of what happened before you attack.

@Sepia And the UK trained Ukrainian troops, so what? The real news is that neither side are working toward peace and an end to war. Neither side is different in any way.