Dude, jews have been living in israel all throughout history. They've been forcefully expelled from the country by the various empires which have conquered it but there has always been a jewish presence in the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

1. Hang on, don't stop. Which countries? And by new palastine do you mean the one controlled by Hamas who have kill all jews and christians in their charter? So basically just kill everyone who is currently living in Israel?
2. So all the christian and muslim arabs who are Israeli citizens too. Right? You wouldn't want to come off as a racist impliying only jews should be displaced would you?

When you say steal land and genocide people, are you referring to the survivors from the Holocaust granted part of the british controlled land called (by the british BTW and not the indigenous people) Palestine? Those folks who we're then immediately set upon by the arabic folk living in said land?

I assume this comment relates to the people displaced during the war of 1948. A war which was started by the arabs living in Israel as a way to oppose the u.n. decision of a two state solution (first but not last time this happens). Those displaced settlers?

Excellent debate. Thanks.

Wait. To counter my argument that there is no Palestine you provide a snapshot of the mandate recognizing the historical connection of the Jewish people to the land? Doesn't that counter your arguments? Yes, the british called this peice of land Palestine. Do you know where the name originates from? The Jewish Bible where the Philistines are mentioned as large red headed folk probably originating from somewhere near Greece. So do the current Palestinians claim to be their decendants? Jewish people have always lived in the region of Israel which was under the occupation of numerous other empries. The arab folk living in Israel prior to 1948 can trace their heritages to a myriad of neighboring countries such as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and so forth (Some of their surnames are a clear indication of that).

• I still haven't seen proof of this Go search the "Hamas horror film". Then answer again what you think a reasonable response is.

• this didn't start October 7 When did it start then?

That's proof that there is a war on. No proof of any systematic killings. Based on Palestinian reports there are about 20000 dead, no information of course on how many of them combatants. So over the course of 3 months you have a less than 1 percent fatalities. I point you back to my meme and ask tou where's the genocide. In the ww2 bombing of dresden 25000 people were killed in just 4 attacks. Israel is doing everything possible to kill only combatants. As I mentioned earlier it is impossible to avoid civilian deaths as they are being used as human shields. Military equipment is constantly being found in hospitals, mosques, schools and under childrens beds.

The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement. - please show your proof. And please don't give me quotes from several outliers which unfortunately have been brought recently into the Israeli government. They don't represent the majority of Israel as apperantly the multitudes cheering in the streets while the October 7th hostiges were paraded through Gaza streets represent the people of Gaza.

So you're calling for decolonization of all countries in the world? Every person should immigrate back to their country of origin? And how long back is "country of origin" defined? Do you acknowledge that all Jewish people originate from Israel or is that something we need to debate as well?

When the UN resolved to instate the country of Israel and the arab countries attacked it in response? Yes. I agree.

Yes. This is a bad government. Is that a reason for the atrocities of oct 7?

Sure thing. Here you go: https://www.thewrap.com/hamas-israel-terrorist-attack-footage-los-angeles-screening-reaction-column/ https://stubykofsky.com/i-review-the-hamas-snuff-film/

Why the personal attacks? I'm happy to debate any counter points you may have.

Really? Has Bibi publicly stated he plans on genocide? Because Hamas has publicly stated, many many times, that the only thing they care about is the total inhalation of all non-muslims.

Yes. The numbers of deaths is horrifying. I agree. Israel and Palestine are at war. A war the Palestinians instigated by murdering civilians. Israel on the other hand is targeting military targets which the Palestinians have put among the civilian population. So yes, there are many many civilians being killed. As the only other option Israel has seems to be "just let the Palestinians kill you", I don't really see a way to avoid it. On October 7th the Palestinians clearly stated that the only thing they want is the inhalation of all Jews. Israel is not trying to wipe out the Palestinians, it is trying to make sure they never succeed at any such act ever again.

Wait, if you agree that their "ruling class" is living in splendor. Where is your apartheid argument? Shouldn't you be critisizing the Palestinian ruling class for not taking care of the general state of their country?

"there still exists Palestine and its people". No. Before the state of Israel there was the british occupation. Before that the turkish ottoman empire. Before that there was an Egyptian rule and so on and so on. There were wars and the rule of this specific piece of land changed. At no point in history was there ever a Palstinian country. There is no Palestinian that can trace his lineage to some Palestinian hundreds of years ago. During all of history there were both jewish and arabs living in Israel. Calling the jewish people of Israel "colonists" is trying to change history and paint it as if jews came on ships to this country like conquistadors. After WW2, the UN decided that, maybe, after trying to exterminate the jewish people, it would make sense to give them some small pice of land to officially call their own. The arabs, instead of accepting the split launched a war in whclich they lost. And yes, many people were evicted from theor homes. Such is war. Then, they had multiple chances to accept peace offerings and build a country, instead they kept rejecting the offers and kept launching attacks at Israel. Culminating with the oct/7 attack which is where we find ourselves today. As i mentioned earlier, you and many around the world would like the Jews to just die. That won't happen. What you should be doing is making memes about Hamas and how they keep enriching their leaders pockets and building terror infrastructure instead of helping the Palestinian people.