Dude, jews have been living in israel all throughout history. They've been forcefully expelled from the country by the various empires which have conquered it but there has always been a jewish presence in the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

1. Hang on, don't stop. Which countries? And by new palastine do you mean the one controlled by Hamas who have kill all jews and christians in their charter? So basically just kill everyone who is currently living in Israel?
2. So all the christian and muslim arabs who are Israeli citizens too. Right? You wouldn't want to come off as a racist impliying only jews should be displaced would you?

When you say steal land and genocide people, are you referring to the survivors from the Holocaust granted part of the british controlled land called (by the british BTW and not the indigenous people) Palestine? Those folks who we're then immediately set upon by the arabic folk living in said land?

I assume this comment relates to the people displaced during the war of 1948. A war which was started by the arabs living in Israel as a way to oppose the u.n. decision of a two state solution (first but not last time this happens). Those displaced settlers?

Excellent debate. Thanks.

Wait. To counter my argument that there is no Palestine you provide a snapshot of the mandate recognizing the historical connection of the Jewish people to the land? Doesn't that counter your arguments? Yes, the british called this peice of land Palestine. Do you know where the name originates from? The Jewish Bible where the Philistines are mentioned as large red headed folk probably originating from somewhere near Greece. So do the current Palestinians claim to be their decendants? Jewish people have always lived in the region of Israel which was under the occupation of numerous other empries. The arab folk living in Israel prior to 1948 can trace their heritages to a myriad of neighboring countries such as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq and so forth (Some of their surnames are a clear indication of that).

When the UN resolved to instate the country of Israel and the arab countries attacked it in response? Yes. I agree.

So you're calling for decolonization of all countries in the world? Every person should immigrate back to their country of origin? And how long back is "country of origin" defined? Do you acknowledge that all Jewish people originate from Israel or is that something we need to debate as well?

Sure thing. Here you go: https://www.thewrap.com/hamas-israel-terrorist-attack-footage-los-angeles-screening-reaction-column/ https://stubykofsky.com/i-review-the-hamas-snuff-film/

The Israel government on the other hand is adamant to kill every last Palestinian or ethnically cleanse them with forced displacement. - please show your proof. And please don't give me quotes from several outliers which unfortunately have been brought recently into the Israeli government. They don't represent the majority of Israel as apperantly the multitudes cheering in the streets while the October 7th hostiges were paraded through Gaza streets represent the people of Gaza.

Yes. This is a bad government. Is that a reason for the atrocities of oct 7?

That's proof that there is a war on. No proof of any systematic killings. Based on Palestinian reports there are about 20000 dead, no information of course on how many of them combatants. So over the course of 3 months you have a less than 1 percent fatalities. I point you back to my meme and ask tou where's the genocide. In the ww2 bombing of dresden 25000 people were killed in just 4 attacks. Israel is doing everything possible to kill only combatants. As I mentioned earlier it is impossible to avoid civilian deaths as they are being used as human shields. Military equipment is constantly being found in hospitals, mosques, schools and under childrens beds.

• I still haven't seen proof of this Go search the "Hamas horror film". Then answer again what you think a reasonable response is.

• this didn't start October 7 When did it start then?

Feel free to educate me back and show me which artifacts have been found to indicate that these were people who didn't want anyone to invade "their country". Now if you want to go back to the discussion about bombing refugee camps, then lets circle back to the fact that these refugees murdered, burned and raped 1400 Israelis and then continued non-stop shelling of Israeli cities and towns. I'd be happy to hear how you propose to handle such a situation. Any answer other than "just die because you are jews" would be something I'd be willing to discuss.

Unfortunately, I know this for a fact (I'm from Israel, talked to people who were there). It's not even the worst thing that was done. As Israel is torn between protecting the victims of the attacks and explaining them to the world, the proof you require will probably never be shown. I assume you are familiar with the "Hamas horror film"? Is what it shows not enough to go to an all out war against an enemy that has very clearly shown its only goal is your total destruction?

Really? Has Bibi publicly stated he plans on genocide? Because Hamas has publicly stated, many many times, that the only thing they care about is the total inhalation of all non-muslims.

Why the personal attacks? I'm happy to debate any counter points you may have.

Sure, I find it amusing that Israel is being accused of commiting genocide against the Palestinians when they have an above world average population gain (+2.3% yearly change vs. 0.83%)