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Built-in modellers vs proper sims

I've got to set some time aside to crank up my DAW or even just open up the amp sims and effects on my desktop. But I have two modeller guitars, one for electric and the one above that emulates any acoustic body from parlour to dobro (I downloaded the IR and you can hear the tin plate rattle), and I have multifx pedals that I can download sims and cabs on. I keep getting torn between the urge to experiment and "hey, it's sitting right here waiting to be played".

Given the opportunity, which way would you lean -- chasing the perfect amp sim tone, or playing a portable DSP that isn't perfect? Modelling guitar, multifx modeller or fully stocked DAW?

To be fair, the HUSH I Pro above is perfect as an acoustic sound, but some of the effects like chorus are a little cheap-sounding. The HUSH X Pro may sound really close to a strat or LP, but it definitely isn't perfect, you can hear the difference. So there are pros and cons to all the choices.

I'll admit, I'm trying to spark up some discussion in this community, but I am interested in hearing other opinions.

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Donner Arena 2000 Amp, Cab and Effect List with Equivalents

I lost my original list, so I researched and put together another one with the original notes I later found and the help of an LLM, which did a pretty decent collation job.

The more accurate these are, the easier it is to dial in specific tones with emulations of the correct gear.

Since I'm usually out there searching for things, it's only fair to post what info I have, so here's the other list for today:

Donner Arena 2000 — Model Equivalents Reference

General reference mapping Arena 2000 model names to real-world gear. Compiled from an AI-generated source document (via Scribd), cross-checked against the community list by Steve Baric (woodsnstrings.stevebaric.ca) and manufacturer specs. Entries marked ⚠️ are unverified or contested.

COMP (Compressors)

ModelEquivalentStatus
LA-2ATeletronix LA-2A✅
LA-3ATeletronix LA-3A✅
Comp 670Fairchild 670✅
Comp 1176UREI 1176✅
SSL CompSSL G-Series Bus Compressor✅
Tube CompGeneric tube compressor✅
C2 CompLikely Cytomic The Glue (SSL-style)⚠️ Plausible, unverified
C4 CompWaves C4 multiband⚠️ Plausible, unverified
Dyna CompMXR Dyna Comp✅
Diamond CompDiamond CPR-1✅

DRIVE (Overdrives, Distortions, Fuzzes)

ModelEquivalentStatus
Tube808Ibanez TS-808 Tube Screamer✅
Tube9Ibanez TS-9 Tube Screamer✅
KlonezKlon Centaur✅
RatProCo RAT✅
OCDFulltone OCD✅
Surface FuzzAnalog Man Sun Face✅
Big MuffElectro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi✅
P-2Unidentified⚠️ Source claims "Boss HM-2, called P-2 in Japan" — fabricated (HM-2 listed separately). Hypothesis: Pigtronix Philosopher's Tone 2 — weak fit: the PT2 released 2024, after the Arena 2000 shipped (2023), and P-2 sits in the DRIVE menu. Needs empirical verification
Ecstasy BBogner Ecstasy, Blue channel✅
Tube DriveBK Butler / Chandler Tube Driver✅
OD3Boss OD-3✅
HM2Boss HM-2 Heavy Metal✅
SL DriveXotic SL Drive (Dumble-style)✅
Timmy ODPaul Cochrane Timmy✅
Fuzz FactoryZVex Fuzz Factory✅
2-ToneUnidentified⚠️ Source says "Zendrive" but Zen OD already covers Hermida Audio Zendrive — duplicate is suspect. Possibly a dual-mode drive; unverified
Tight MetalAmptweaker TightMetal✅
Zen ODHermida Audio Zendrive✅
Triple WreckWampler Triple Wreck✅
Gem FuzzUnidentified, maybe Diamond⚠️ Source offers no identification ("possibly various boutique fuzzes")

AMP (Amplifiers)

Fender

ModelEquivalent
FD 5E3Fender Tweed Deluxe 5E3
FD TwinFender Twin Reverb
FD ChampFender Champ
FD PrinceFender Princeton Reverb
FD BmanFender Bassman
FD ChampionFender Champion

Marshall

ModelEquivalent
MAR JTM45Marshall JTM45
Mar PlexiMarshall Plexi
Mar 800Marshall JCM800
Mar 900 CH1 / CH2Marshall JCM900 Channels 1/2
Mar JVM CH1–CH4Marshall JVM 410 Channels 1–4

Vox

ModelEquivalent
VX AC15Vox AC15
VX AC30 CleanVox AC30 Clean Channel
VX AC30ODVox AC30 Overdrive Channel

Mesa Boogie

ModelEquivalent
Mexa LS CH1 / CH2Mesa Boogie Lone Star Channels 1/2
Mexa RC CH1 / CH2Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Channels 1/2
Mexa Mark V CH1–CH3Mesa Boogie Mark V Channels 1–3

High-Gain American

ModelEquivalent
Bognar Shiva CH1 / CH2Bogner Shiva Channels 1/2
EV 5153 CH1–CH3EVH 5150 III Channels 1–3
PV 5153 CH1–CH3Peavey 5150 III Channels 1–3
Fireman Dirty Shire LoFriedman Dirty Shirley, low gain
Fireman Dirty Shire HiFriedman Dirty Shirley, high gain
Fireman BE100 CH1–CH3Friedman BE-100 Channels 1–3
Sono SLO100 CH1 / CH2Soldano SLO-100 Channels 1/2
Ngo Savage CH1–CH4ENGL Savage Channels 1–4

British

ModelEquivalent
Hiwah 103 Clean / ODHiwatt DR103 Clean / Overdrive
HK Triamp CH1–CH3Hughes & Kettner Triamp MKIII Channels 1–3
Apple OR15Orange Rocker 15
Apple Rock 100 CH1 / CH2Orange Rockerverb 100 MkIII Channels 1/2

Other / Boutique

ModelEquivalentStatus
PS Arch CH1 / CH2PRS Archon 50 Channels 1/2✅
Fams Red Clean / LeadContested: Baric lists Fame T-64 RS red channels; OCR source claims Friedman Smallbox⚠️
CV Legac CH1 / CH2Carvin Legacy 3 VL300 Channels 1/2✅
Dumbell ODS-100Dumble Overdrive Special ODS-100✅
Conford MK50Cornford MK50✅
Fush ODS 30 Clean / ODFuchs ODS 30 Clean / Overdrive✅
Suer Badgar 35Suhr Badger 35✅
Crown FalconTone King Falcon Grande✅
Crown Imper CH1 / CH2Tone King Imperial Channels 1/2✅
Matless ChiefMatchless Superchief (Baric); OCR source claims DC-30 — DC-30 is Matchless's flagship, so family is consistent⚠️ Model variant disputed
Toroll ClassicTwo-Rock Classic Reverb✅
Toroll Studio 35Two-Rock Studio 35✅
Morgan AC20Morgan AC20✅
By 13 JRTDivided by 13 JRT 9/15✅
By 13 LDWDivided by 13 LDW✅
MR.Z MazDr. Z Maz 18✅
MR.Z WreckDr. Z Z Wreck✅
Cat CougarBad Cat Cougar✅
Cat Cub 40Bad Cat Cub 40✅
JP 120Roland JC-120 Jazz Chorus✅
Fman Aure AcousticFishman Aura (acoustic imaging)✅
Fman LB AcousticFishman Loudbox (acoustic amp)✅
ARE 60 AcousticAER Compact 60 (acoustic amp)✅

CAB (Cabinets)

ModelEquivalent
FD DLX 112Fender Deluxe Reverb 1x12
FD DLXRB 112Fender Deluxe Reverb 1x12 (RB variant)
FD Tweed 108Fender Tweed Champ 1x8
FD Tweed 112Fender Tweed Deluxe 1x12
FD Prince 212Fender Princeton 2x12
FD Bman 410Fender Bassman 4x10
Mar 1936 212Marshall 1936 2x12
Mar 1960A 412Marshall 1960A 4x12
Mar 1960B 412Marshall 1960B 4x12
VX 112Vox AC15 1x12
VX 212Vox AC30 2x12
Mexa RC 212Mesa Boogie Rectifier 2x12
Mexa RCA 212Mesa Boogie Rectifier 2x12 Angled
Mexa OS 412Mesa Boogie Oversized 4x12
Mexa ST 412Mesa Boogie Stiletto 4x12
Mexa TR 412Mesa Boogie Traditional 4x12
Bognar OS 212Bogner Oversized 2x12
Bognar SH 212Bogner Shiva 2x12
EV 412EVH 5150 III 4x12
PV 412Peavey 5150 4x12
Fireman 212Friedman 2x12
Fireman 412Friedman 4x12
Sono 412Soldano 4x12
Ngo 112ENGL 1x12
Ngo 412ENGL 4x12
ODS 212Dumble/Fuchs ODS 2x12
Suer 112Suhr 1x12
Crown 112Tone King 1x12
Crown 212Tone King 2x12
Matless 212Matchless 2x12
Toroll 112Two-Rock Classic Reverb 1x12
Toroll 412Two-Rock Studio 35 4x12
Morgen 112Morgan AC20 1x12
By 13 212Divided by 13 2x12
Mr.Z 112Dr. Z 1x12
Mr.Z 212Dr. Z Z Best 2x12
Cat 112Bad Cat 1x12
Cat 212Bad Cat 2x12
JP 212Roland JC-120 2x12
Hiwah 412Hiwatt 4x12
HK 412Hughes & Kettner 4x12
Apple 212Orange 2x12
Apple 412Orange 4x12
PS 212PRS 2x12
PS 412PRS 4x12
CV 412Carvin 4x12
Gpson 110Gibson 1x10
Acoustic 1–3Generic acoustic speaker simulations
IR Slots 1–50User-loadable impulse responses (slots 51–100)

EQ (Equalizers)

ModelEquivalent
3 / 5 / 6 / 10 Band EQGeneric graphic EQs
Custom EQUser-defined parametric EQ

NG (Noise Gates)

ModelEquivalent
Intelligent GateFrequency-aware/advanced gate
Noise GateStandard hard gate
Noise ReductionDecay-based reduction filter

DELAY

ModelEquivalent
Digital DelayGeneric digital
Analog DelayBucket-brigade style (darkened repeats)
Tape DelayTape echo emulation (wow/flutter)
Echo DelayGeneric echo
Mod DelayChorus-modulated delay
Ping Pong DelayStereo alternating
TwoTap DelayDual tap tempo
Reverse DelayReverse playback
Tremolo DelayDelay with amplitude modulation
LOFI DelayBandwidth-limited, degraded repeats

REVERB

ModelEquivalent
Room / Hall / ChurchProgressive-size spaces
PlatePlate reverb
SpringSpring tank emulation
Dyna ReverbDynamic/gated reverb
Mod ReverbModulated reverb
Lofi ReverbDegraded bandwidth
Tremolo ReverbReverb with amplitude modulation
Dist ReverbDistorted reverb tail

DRUM

40 patterns: POP, ROCK, BLUES, FUNK, JAZZ, METAL, PUNK, HIP-HOP, LATIN, DISCO — four variations each.

FX A / FX B

ModelEquivalentFXAFXB
Wah 535Dunlop Cry Baby 535Q✔—
Wah 847Vox V847✔—
Tempo WahRhythm-synced auto-wah✔—
EnvolopEnvelope follower filter✔—
Intelligent GateAdvanced noise gate✔—
LA-2ATeletronix LA-2A compressor—✔
Pure BoostTransparent clean boost✔✔
Lead BoostTone-shaped lead boost✔✔
FilterGeneric filter effect✔✔
ChorusStandard chorus✔✔
Analog ChorusAnalog-style chorus✔✔
Stereo ChorusStereo chorus—✔
FlangerStandard flanger✔✔
Stereo FlangerStereo flanger—✔
VibratoVibrato✔✔
PhaserStandard phaser✔✔
Stereo PhaserStereo phaser—✔
TremoloStandard tremolo✔✔
Stereo TremoloStereo tremolo—✔
Ring ModRing modulator✔✔
LOFILow-fidelity effect✔✔
Auto SwellAutomatic volume swell✔✔
Step PhaseStepped/sequenced phase✔✔
PitchPitch shifter✔—
OctaveOctave divider✔—

Sources

  • Original list: "Donner Arena 2000 Effects & Models List" (Scribd, AI-generated document) — extracted from PDF via local OCR
  • Cross-reference: Donner Arena 2000 Amp List — Steve Baric, woodsnstrings.stevebaric.ca
  • Verification: Pigtronix (pigtronix.com), manufacturer model pages
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Donner Pocket Go Amps, Cabs, Effects List

I lost my original draft of the Donner Arena 2000 effects, and while I found it later, I had started a new one. I used a decent LLM model to pull some online research together and collate it with what I had, and it did a reasonably good job, so I asked it to do the same for the Donner Pocket Go, and since that was close to hand, I'm posting that first. I like to pay knowledge forward when I've got it, because it's often me out there searching for obscure lists. So here's the first one:

Donner Pocket Go — Original Model Equivalents Reference

Comprehensive reference of original factory models only (downloadable community presets excluded — any slot could be something different tomorrow). All identifications based on naming conventions and industry knowledge; unverified entries marked ⚠️.

FX BLOCK

ModelEquivalentNotes
NoiseGate++Standard noise gateEnhanced version
BoostClean boostTransparent level increase
CompressCompressorBasic compression unit

MOD BLOCK

ModelEquivalentNotes
ChorusStandard chorus
PhaserStandard phaser
TremoloStandard tremolo
FlangerStandard flanger
VibratoVibrato (pitch modulation)
UnivibeUni-Vibe style (rotary/chorus hybrid)✅ Named-effect reference
AutofilterAuto-wah / envelope filter

AMP BLOCK

Bass-designated slots (16–20) held alongside guitar models deliberately — on this unit they double as homes for downloaded guitar amps. Single unified list.

#ModelLikely EquivalentConfidence
1UWE-TwinsFender Twin Reverb✅ High
2UK-C30 NormalVox AC30 (Normal channel)✅ High
3Mars VM410Marshall JVM 410✅ High
4Victor_MarsMarshall variant (possibly Victory Amps collaboration)⚠️ Medium
5BritPLEX_100Marshall Plexi 100W✅ High
6MarsFD100Marshall 100W Super Lead / JMP⚠️ Medium
7Eagle_SAVAGEENGL Savage✅ High
8TH_DieselHGNDiezel Herbert / VH4✅ High — "TH" ambiguous, could be THD
9PvEV5150EVH 5150 III / Peavey 5150✅ High
10FORTIN_CALIFortin Nameless / Cali high-gain✅ High
11MESS-MktCln2Mesa Boogie Mark Series (Clean Channel 2)✅ High
12CA_tweedFender Tweed Deluxe / Champ✅ High
13BogSV20Bogner Shiva 20W✅ High
14JUICE_JIMOrange, not sure what model✅ High
15Sur_SL68Suhr SL68 (Marshall '68 Super Lead-style)✅ High
16BassADAtubeAmpeg B-15 (tube version)✅ High
17BassAlmbicAlembic F-2B preamp style✅ High
18BassG800K_7Gallien-Kruger 800RB / 800K✅ High
19BassTR-TradTraynor Traditional / YGM series⚠️ Medium
20BassMarkT501Markbass TTE 501⚠️ Medium

CAB BLOCK

Same unified convention as AMP — cab slots may also be overwritten by community downloads.

#ModelLikely EquivalentConfidence
1EAGLProV30sENGL 4x12 (Vintage 30s)✅ High
2SperimentalAcoustic simulation cabinet✅ Confirmed by user
3JUICE4x12V30Orange 4x12 (V30s)✅ High
4Mess BogMesa oversized 4x12 (Mesa/Bogner hybrid)✅ Medium-high
5FdChampFender Champ cab✅ High
6FdPrJunirFender Princeton Junior✅ High
7Mar960BV30Marshall 1960B (Vintage 30s)✅ High
8DizzlV30Diezel 4x12 (V30s)✅ Medium
9ElectrovoiceEV-loaded cab (EVM12L classic)✅ High
10MessDRectV30Mesa Dual Rectifier 4x12 (V30s)✅ High
11TwinJensenCFender Twin (Jensen ceramic)✅ High
12TwedDlx1X12Tweed Deluxe 1x12✅ High
13FendShowmanFender Showman✅ High
14J120RolndRoland JC-120 cab✅ High
15UK-C30SilversVox AC30 (Celestion Alnico Blue/Silver)✅ High
16BassAgula25Aguilar DB series cab✅ Medium
17BassJensen10Jensen-loaded bass cab✅ Medium-high
18BassFdBassmanFender Bassman 4x10✅ High
19BassAmpg410Ampeg 4x10 (SVT-style)✅ High
20BassEDN300Eden bass cab✅ Medium-high

Special note: The Sperimental cab imparts an acoustic-body resonance character. No dedicated acoustic amp preset ships with the unit — use with the amp block bypassed for acoustic simulation.

DELAY BLOCK

ModelEquivalentNotes
AnalogBucket-brigade style (darkened repeats)
DuckDucking delay (repeats dip under playing)
dTapeTape echo emulation
DualDual tap delay
LofiDegraded bandwidth repeats

REVERB BLOCK

ModelEquivalentNotes
RoomSmall space
HallLarge hall
SwellSwell/gated decay
SpingSpring tank (as-labelled in firmware)
ShimmerPitch-shifted reverb tail
CloudEthereal, dense ambient wash

Key Observations

FindingImplication
Modular blocksFX, MOD, AMP, CAB, Delay, REV are all separate blocks in the chain
No dedicated acoustic ampOnly the Sperimental cab; acoustic simulation achieved via amp bypass
High-gain coverageENGL, Mesa, Fortin, EVH, Diezel represented
Clean headroomTwin, AC30, JVM clean channel present
Full mix-and-matchNo enforced amp/cab pairings
Community expansionAny slot may be overwritten by downloaded presets

Comparison: Pocket Go vs. Arena 2000

FeaturePocket GoArena 2000
Total amp models2070+
Total cab models2050+
FX selectionFX, MOD, Delay, REV blocksIntegrated FXA/FXB slots + more
IR slotsNone reported50 user slots
PortabilityPocket-sizedPedalboard unit

Notes for Future Updates

  • All amp and cab slots are fluid — community downloads can replace any factory model
  • Bass-designated slots routinely host downloaded guitar amps on this unit
  • Amp/cab pairing is fully flexible
  • Official model documentation from Donner not published; all equivalents inferred

Sources: User enumeration of Pocket Go blocks, cross-referenced with industry naming conventions and manufacturer specifications.

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