okay ive been thinking one definite thing to add to that system would be,

a system for when people are of advanced age-

have this be one of the things that everyone else puts in a monthly day working at-

we up the ante over how we're doing it now, and make a goal of:

this time is made into like the best time of people's lives,

like disneyland, like going on a cruise

make it super fun

maybe even this is made into the nicest stuff

mansions/luxuries reserved only for these people

i threw out a few ideas in other posts and comments; heres another one though i just had:

for the people who want to do hard drugs, of which there arent many, its similar to gun use actually:

there arent many people who want to own guns (in the grand scheme of things), and guns can be considered dangerous to the user and others if handled improperly or improprietously

so, we make people get a license

where, they have to go to a school/class briefly and get instructed on gun safety and pass a test, and then theyre registered, and subject to laws

ok we could do hard drug use the same way-

its illegal unless you apply for a special license.

to get it, you have to go to a class on drug use, drug safety, accidental overdose procedure, understanding of cartel violence, anything like that, pass a written test, get a license/registration

then, its only available from your pharmacy with your special license, in regulated/controlled amounts, enough for recreational use, maybe factoring in things like your body weight, tolerance,

maybe also you have to get checked by a psychologist once up front, or once a year or something

maybe have to submit to laws similar to gun laws about travelling (if taking a gun in a car, you have to have it: in the trunk, with a trigger lock, unloaded, ammo in a separate container, also in the trunk); for drugs: cant drive while high; must travel to the pharmacy on foot, by public transportation or cab, must consume on premises then exit premises (maybe, to make sure no one's selling it, or, part of the license could be that youre trusted to take it with you and consume it on your own and not sell it, or not drive while high, but, will lose the license if caught reselling or driving high)

?

improve things and be happy

without one, the other is false

definition change

and if you wanted non-vegan food, or non-green-power, you have to pay for it?

free vegetables, grains, fruits, water, even if by opt-in of putting in a few days a month on a communal farm. or, if the future is sophisticated enough, simply by cheaply run robot-farms and distributors.

free electricity from: solar, wind, or any similarly green system, and excluding nuclear (for the waste it produces, unless the waste is recycled as lesser-heaters)

whatever people want so fucking badly, lets find a way to safely and appropriately give it to them, (at least somehow; sometimes substituting

Goldwind Science & Technology (002202.SZ / 2208.HK) reported a strong Q1 2026, with revenue increasing 63.48% year-over-year to RMB 15.48 billion and net profit growing 59.65% to RMB 907 million. The company saw a massive 133% increase in external sales capacity and holds a robust 53.93GW order backlog, reflecting strong demand for its large wind turbines. [1, 2, 3]
Q1 2026 Earnings Highlights

• Operating Income: RMB 15.48 billion (approx. +63.48% Y/Y). • Net Profit: RMB 907 million (approx. +59.65% Y/Y). • External Sales Volume: More than doubled, driven by high demand. • Order Backlog: 53.93 GW. • Cash Flow: Despite high profits, the company continues to manage significant cash outflows from operating activities. [1, 2, 3, 4]

2025 Full-Year Performance

• Revenue: Reached RMB 73 billion, up 28.7% year-over-year. • Net Profit: Grew 49.12% to RMB 2,774 million. • Profitability: The consolidated profit margin improved to 14.18%. [6]

Stock and Market Position

• Goldwind (2208.HK) has a trailing twelve-month (TTM) P/E ratio around 21.59. • Analysts have given a recent Buy rating with a target price of HK$18.20. • While 2025 showed strong growth, Q4 2025 earnings experienced a miss against expectations. [1, 7, 8]

The company's strong start in 2026 indicates continued momentum, largely driven by the global and domestic expansion of the wind power sector, though investors are keeping an eye on working capital pressures. [1, 3]

AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses

[1] https://www.tipranks.com/news/company-announcements/goldwind-delivers-strong-profit-surge-in-q1-2026-despite-cash-outflows [2] https://www.tradingview.com/news/urn:summary_document_report:quartr.com:3258424:0-goldwind-science-technology-q1-2026-saw-revenue-up-63-48-and-net-profit-up-59-65-year-over-year-with-record-orders/ [3] https://www.tradingview.com/news/urn:summary_document_slides:quartr.com:3258420:0-goldwind-science-technology-revenue-and-profit-rose-in-1q26-with-external-sale-capacity-up-133-year-over-year/ [4] https://www.marketscreener.com/news/goldwind-science-technology-q1-net-profit-up-59-7-y-y-ce7f59dfdd80f420 [5] https://www.perplexity.ai/finance/XJNGF [6] https://ng.investing.com/news/transcripts/earnings-call-transcript-goldwind-misses-q4-2025-earnings-expectations-93CH-2420476 [7] https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/2208.HK/ [8] https://www.investing.com/news/transcripts/earnings-call-transcript-goldwind-misses-q4-2025-earnings-expectations-93CH-4591908

well as usual im downvoted by fucktarts, but the idea was to do a communal hedge fund (meaning simply that we all go in on the same things ourselves, as individuals, from home, but communicate about it in a forum) and the only stocks we would do would be: foreign solar panel and wind energy stocks- because- this combo, out of everything available in the entire world of stock trading, most-discredits, and most-directly-opposes, the life and career of donald trump- you want money coming out of the american stock market to discredit him, and so you should only be playing foreign stocks. if you really want to discredit him though, you should on top of that only put your money into solar panel and wind stocks, because these are the things he most directly opposes in the world. if these do fine or well after all, thats the best you can do in capitalism to make him look like an idiot and fall on his face eventually. now might be the right time for all this, because- solar and wind stocks are at all time lows cause trump crushed them (you know how youre supposed to buy low), and with the iran war about to be a multiple-years war probably, youre about to get the greatest advertisment-era for green energy ever; oil prices are going to crush the world economy probably. maybe maybe not, but it would be the right time to try it. anyway, im a stock trader, so guess what i know all the foreign solar and wind stocks, and can even teach you how to start a brokerage account (theyre free) and start trading (this takes some advice from people who know how, although you can also teach yourself just by going for it).

so, if youre bristling at the fact thats its a hedge fund, the thing is this is something ive tried to clear up before- this is one of the failings of marx’s theory- the public is already allowed to “own the fruits of the labors of the factories communally” or whatever- ya thats what buying a stock is. you want to collectively own the factories?? so buy a share of stock in each of them, problem solved.

anyway, this one is a socialist hedge fund because while i would be offering free management of the stocks, usually theres a fee charged. normally the way it works is, someone picks a bunch of stocks for a theme, then you give them your money, and they give you back your profits, but minus a fee they charge for making the picks and managing.

this would be the “socialist” version, because, i would not be charging the fee. so, the “communal ownership” aspect of the fund would be that the fund would be free for new-socialists, and would be communally owned (since everyone could control their own shares of it).

further, it would be open for communal management, by yourselves. while i would start it and came up with the initial idea, not only does no one have to follow what i say, but they can suggest/discuss their own versions of this.

for example, if i picked all israeli defense stocks im sure you antizionuts would rather pick a different theme than that.

does anyone here hate green energy and anti-trump schemes? can we agree on that

i think its a really cool idea, though im used to really cool downvoted ideas bitchez

New Socialist United Anti Trump Weapon

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ok- many have pondered how to install socialism, or something like marxist socialism /

i mean, the real marxist socialists are like: how can we get enough people to do a violent revolt to install ms?

the democratic socialists are like, how can we get enough votes to install ds?

meanwhile, the me's are like:

how can, without any majority, "we", just start socialistic businesses in the middle of capitalism, and make that look so cool that people want to join?

but how to really do this?

anyway, here's my first offering, after much thought:

a world-wide, scheme/communal-business-plan

you're going to laugh at the basic element of it---

it's a communal hedge fund, where i pick a design, and if you like it, you copy it

and if you want to contribute to it, you help do research/thinking for it

if you are at all curious about this idea, comment something about it, and i will continue

For Christians, the Universe starts with God creating it. For Muslims, the Universe starts with hating Jews.

The first chapter of the Bible is Genesis- the story of God creating the Universe.

The first chapter of the Quran is "The Cow"- an attack on Jews.

I'm going to explain the context of the chapter and then recite some important parts. Please read, especially if you prefer not to read such posts.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned in love" -Shakespeare

Why did Muhammad hate the Jews so much? Because he at first tried to suck up to them, but then was rejected by them for this effort, leading Muhammad to decide to embark instead on a decade of armed conflict against them, resulting in him and his followers eradicating them from the Arabian Peninsula.

Muhammad's first attempt at receiving religious worship involved him trying to convince Judaism that he was the next Jewish prophet, or rather, that he was the original Jewish prophet, such as his ego went.

He attempted to convince them of this by having his first, small band of local ruffian followers all pray toward Jerusalem five times a day, on their hands and knees. This is the original Muslim prayer routine (later it was changed to praying toward the Kaaba of Quyreish (Mecca)).

In the town of Yathrib (Medina), Muhammad commanded the rabbis to follow him, for this. The rabbis rejected his offer. They didn't care that he prayed toward Jersusalem, because he didn't know anything about Judaism, and hadn't done anything to help or save anyone in the world, but was calling himself their own Messiah.

This was all because of a hallucination he had had in a cave one day, causing him to become convinced that the Judeo-Christian angel had selected him to be the Judeo-Christian prophet, and he even took that to mean that he was "the real prophet" compared to the ones who had come before him such as Jesus, Moses, and Abraham.

This is all without actually doing anything like that on his part. He was just a lowly merchant. So, he decided to start off his religious career by making people pray a lot. Surely this would do the most to convince people he was a prophet, he must have thought.

He then became outraged when this didn't work on any religious scholars, who he wanted authority from. He wanted them to agree with him that he was The Prophet.

The first chapter of Islam's holy literature (the Quran book plus the several Hadith books) is Muhammad's angry reply to these rabbis of the town of Yathrib (Medina), forming the origin-story of all of Islam: Muhammad's counter-rejection of the first religious scholars who rejected him.

This a scathing rant against all Jews, here addressed as "the disbelievers" for a first time: the chapter is entitled "The Cow", and it's numbered as the second entry after a seven-line introduction, making it the first chapter of substance in the Islamic narrative. Its title "The Cow" is also an attack on Jews. Here is the very first address toward Jews in the Islamic literature, beginning right away within its first substantial chapter "The Cow" (which is a slander referring to the sacred calf worshipped by rebellious Jews in their own Exodus narrative): Muhammad's tone has become threatening as he sentences them to immediate doom:

"Verily, those who disbelieve, whether you warn them or you do not warn them, it is all the same for them; they will not believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great doom.

And of mankind, there are some hypocrites who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day", when they are not believers. They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none except themselves; but they perceive not.

In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increases their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they used to lie. And when it is said to them, "Make not corruption in the earth", they say, "We are but reformers."

Are they not indeed the corruptors?! But they perceive not. And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Shall we believe as the foolish have believed?" Are they not indeed the foolish?! But they know not.

And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe," but when they go apart to their devils they declare, "Lo! we are with you; verily, we were only mockers."

Allah Himself mocks them, and leaves them increasing in their transgression to wander blindly on in their contumacy...

Deaf, dumb and blind; and they will not return to the Right Path...

... guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is o men and stones...

O Children of Israel! Remember My favor with which I favored you, and fulfill your part of the covenant, I shall fulfill My part of the covenant. And fear Me.

And believe in what I have sent down, confirming that which you already possess of the Scripture, and do not be the first to disbelieve in it, and do not exchange My revelations for a trifling price, and fear only Me...

O Children of Israel! Remember My favor with which I favored you and how I preferred you to all the worlds...

And when We appointed for Moses forty nights of solitude, and then you took for worship the calf after him and were wrongdoers...

And when Moses said to his people, "O my people! You have wronged yourselves by your taking the calf for worship, so turn in repentance to your Creator, and kill yourselves. That will be better for you in your Creator's sight...

And when you said, "O Moses! We will not believe in you till we see Allah plainly"; and even while you gazed, the thunderbolt seized you...

And humiliation and poverty were stamped upon them, and they were visited with wrath from Allah. That was because they disbelieved in Allah's signs and killed the prophets wrongfully. That was for their disobedience and transgression...

And when Moses said to his people, "Lo! Allah commands you that you sacrifice a cow." They said, "Do you ridicule us?" ... "Pray for us to your Lord that He makes clear to us what cow it is." Moses answered, "Lo! He says, 'Verily, it is a yellow cow, with a bright color, gladdening the beholders'"...

And when they the Jews meet those who believe, they say, "We believe." But when they go apart, one with another...

And they say, "The fire of punishment will not touch us..."

... Do you say concerning Allah that which you do not know?

No, but whoever has done evil and his sin surrounds him, such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein eternally.

And remember when We made a covenant with the Children of Israel, saying, "Worship none except Allah only, and be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and the needy, and speak kindly to mankind, and establish prayer and pay the poor-due." Then, after that, you turned away, except a few of you, being averse...

Do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? ... those who do so... on the Day of Ressurection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what you do...

We gave to Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs of Allah's sovereignty... Is it always the case that, when there comes to you a Messenger from Allah... some you disbelieve and some you kill?

And they say, "Our hearts are hardened." No, but Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. Little is that which they believe.

And when there comes to them the Jews a Book this Quran from Allah... they disbelieve in it. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers...

Evil is that for which they sell their souls: ... For the disbelievers there is a shameful doom..."...

Why then did you previously kill the prophets of Allah, if you are indeed believers?

... And Moses came to you with clear proofs of Allah's sovereignty, yet, while he was away, you took the calf in worship and you were wrongdoers...

... Worship of the calf was made to sink into their hearts because of their disbelief. Say to them, "Evil is that which your belief enjoins on you..."

And you will find them greediest of mankind for life and greedier than the polytheists. Each one of them would like to be allowed to live a thousand years. And to live a thousand years would by no means remove him from the doom. Allah is the Seer of what they do...

And when there comes to them a Messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Book of Allah behind their backs, as if they do not know.

And they follow that which the devils falsely related and used against the kingdom of Solomon. Solomon did not disbelieve, but the devils disbelieved, teaching mankind magic...

Neither those who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture nor the polytheists love that there should be sent down to you any good thing from your Lord...

Or would you question your Messenger as Moses was questioned previously?

... Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth has become manifest to them...

And they say, "None enters Paradise unless he is a Jew or a Christian." These are their own desires. Say, "Bring your proof of what you state, if you are truthful."

And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing true, and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing true, yet both recite the Scripture. Similar words are spoken by those who do not know. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning about which they used to differ...

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor will the Christians, till you follow their religion. Say, "Lo! the guidance of Allah Himself is the only Guidance."

Those to whom We have given the Book, who recite it with its true recital, those believe in it. And whoever disbelieves in it, those are they who are the losers.

O Children of Israel! Remember...

[And it keeps going on like that. I'll stop here. These were excerpts from lines 1-122]

islam says to kill all jews; this is the real cause of all the muslim wars against jews, from the 1948 war to october 7; islam also says to lie to enemies (hence the false genocide accusation). here, let me prove it to you; this is just one of the references but it’s the most poignant. hadith book al-bukhari, jihad chapter, “fighting jews” subchapter, instructing muslims that they must murder all the jews someday to bring on the final islamic holy age. dont take any shit from “antizionists”- all of them are terribly wrong: https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2926

have you ever been on a cruise ship? have you ever been to disneyland? ever stayed in a hotel?

this is what the role of government should be like

THE TRUTH!!! THE TRUTH!!! THE TRUTH:

BEHOLD THE TRUE LOSS OF PALESTINE: TO BRITAIN, NOT JEWS, IN 1917, NOT 1948:

The British paid 17,000 British lives and in total 62,000 British casualties for the land of Ottoman Palestine, after the Ottoman Caliphate forced Britain to fight them by joining the German war against Britain, despite not being threatened at all by the European theatre:

[During the Sinai and Palestine campaign (1915–1918), British Empire forces suffered roughly 16,880 killed or missing, with a total of over 60,000 casualties (including around 43,712 wounded). This campaign, often known as the Battle for Palestine, involved brutal fighting across Gaza and Beersheba to control the region from the Ottoman Empire. Key Casualty Figures:

• Killed/Missing: 16,880 • Wounded: 43,712 • Captured: 1,385 • Total Casualties: ~61,977 • Key Battles: The two failed Battles of Gaza in 1917 resulted in heavy losses, with over 6,000 casualties in the second battle alone. • The Final Advance: Despite early setbacks, the British, under General Allenby, successfully took Jerusalem in December 1917.

These losses were part of a wider effort to defeat Ottoman forces in the Levant.]

Palestine and their Ottoman troops paid for their lives with the land of Ottoman Palestine, once they had lost, by surrendering this land, to keep the British army from pressing further.

It is unfair to undo this transaction, postmortem, because of what was paid for.

To the Arabian Muslims and the British Christians, the only precedents for this war between them were the Crusades, where The Holy Land, as the Christians called it, was the prize, the trophy, and the goal, each time: for the European Christians it was to seize this for Christianity (as the birthplace of Jesus), and for the Muslims the goal was to defend this spot from the Christians. For the British of the time, there can be no doubt of their personal, unbiased intention, to seize and keep The Holy Land for the final time, for themselves, regardless of other consequences or outcomes of this war or considerations of other peoples, in what to them would've been the final, quiet, victorious, 5th Crusade, without putting this notion out into the world in any offensive wording, but which we can conclude proof of by their own internal national communication, of historic note, upon completion of the campaign:

[David Lloyd George famously declared the capture of Jerusalem by British forces in December 1917 as a “Christmas present for the British people”. Actual Quotes Regarding the "Gift":

• "I want Jerusalem [captured] for Christmas... as a present to the British nation." — David Lloyd George to General Edmund Allenby in June 1917, according to historical accounts of the campaign. • "Jerusalem was a Christmas present for the British nation." — David Lloyd George's sentiment expressed around the time of the Battle of Beersheba, November 1917. • "The last Crusade." — Though Lloyd George was instructed not to use religious language, this term became associated with the victory and was used in the press to frame the 1917 Christmas announcement.

Newspaper & Historical Context (December 1917/1918)

• Newspaper Announcement Context: The British press celebrated the fall of Jerusalem (which officially happened on December 9, 1917, and was announced to the public just before Christmas) as a major victory, with many papers framing it as the "Last Crusade" to boost morale. • General Allenby’s Entrance: On December 11, 1917, General Allenby entered Jerusalem on foot through the Jaffa Gate, acting on the goal set by the Prime Minister.

The Jerusalem gift was specifically designed to boost British spirits during the grim winter of 1917–1918.]

Here is a great video documentary, only twenty-four minutes long, of the campaign. Look into the background of all the photographs: all photos show miles and miles and miles of empty scrub land, stretching to the horizon in all directions. This is how both sides were able to maneuver large armies across this area and do fighting without running into civilians. This land was mostly uninhabited at this time*:

*[As a note to this video, which I have picked for its overhead graphics of the battles and for its many photographs and videos that are original to the campaign: the narrator makes many mistakes that are common to collective knowledge of this affair. I'll point out the most serious here: there is absolutely no "ambiguity" in the phrase "national home". It means "home nation". A nation is a state is a country; they're the same word. They are perfect synonyms. A country has a government. It is absolutely clear that Palestine was given to Jews, as their state, and that they were to form a government on it and declare independence, and this is implicit from the phrase "national home" or "home nation".

The second serious mistake made is misunderstanding that: when the British tried to foment revolt, they were trying to sabotage a country that was uniformly a British enemy- they were not there as friends to these people- they were trying to get them to sabotage themselves because Britain was at war with them. Though payments were promised, the only group that accepted the offer didn't follow through with it- they apparently wanted the payment but not to do the fighting- they failed at revolting. Britain paid them anyway. However, this episode has been lied about to imply Britain had a genuine friendship with these people and meant to significantly reward them afterward. No- these people failed Britain, and so after the war Britain did only a minimal job of repaying them. It is not conceivable that Britain would owe them their own country or Palestine afterward, despite anything that was said in the midst of the war effort to sabotage them against themselves.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXqnw1OWecw

youve heard me bash marxism, youve heard me defend capitalism; both needed it (at the time).

i don't really hate capitalism, or parts of it (though i'd rather try my system of either reformed socialism/communism or reformed capitalism)

however, i sure hate some things about the way the world ends up doing its particular form of capitalism, none of which are the fault of capitalism itself, nor evils directly springing from it, but rather are simply bad, stupid, habits that we've either gotten into or allowed, and i say again these don't really have to do with capitalism. but- you'll agree with me half-way that these go somewhere under the category of our particular world capitalisms. i'll bet if i didn't make this intro blurb, you'd not blink one eye looking at this as "capitalism". we can debate separately why im saying its not; we can agree on these, whatever they are i think, and want them changed.

so just pretend i said "heres what i said about capitalism", which i didnt say. title says shmapitalism

things i hate about communism:

/whoops capitalism:

-the waste -the lies -the low quality

i could go on but would like to separate these somehow, as more like worldly components of the problem

-enormous income spreads -interference with government -gangsterism enabling -only way of getting food -jobs not provided

(some of these are like: currency problems i guess? i dont think its fair to equate capitalism and currency necessarily either but this is the same way of thinking that im pointing out again, anyway we can debate that separately: are these capitalism-specific problems, currency-specific problems, or arbitrary problems? im arguing that actually all of these are arbitrary problems- capitalism & currency need not feature these. we can discuss but now the most important: examples of each thing i said i didnt like

-the waste like, plastic sandwich bag mass over-production, because its a tiny bit more convenient than whatever else, and people were trained that this is the only thing for the job, meanwhile a mountain of these pile up somewhere, and you couldve used a reusable bag, but then no one wouldve made a bunch of money on it (and a bunch of people wouldntve lost money buying it) but the purpose of capitalism need not be arbitrary money-making.

{how would i define capitalism then? maybe i should do that now: the system that uses currency

the sociopolitical infrastructure of currency that uses currency as a valuable exchange medium to act as a general inter-exchange for all goods and services (which humans do much of- their production of goods and performance of services essentially differentiates them from the rest of the animals and the humans do these tasks with great relish; it represents a majority of their time and output), greatly simplifying bartering and deal-making, and establishing a sort of over-system for bartering and deal-making, which is a stable enough system that it can behave as its own sort of infrastructure and as institutions.

ok, examples more-

of stuff i dont like-

the lies- (again, these are just "in OUR capitalism" (the world's), not IN CAPITALISM but in our particular capitalism.... i cant use italics or bold in here so im trying to use caps as italics

the lies- (1. the waste 2. the lies):

try new product x! its the greatest product ever and itll solve all your problems! even our real doctors say that its good for you. also it was officially awarded the "greatest award ever" in the year 1896, and our company has been family-owned ever since. our proprietary blend of herbs and sacred geometry will make you lose weight, feel better, and grow hair in all the right places you want hair, and lose hair where you don't want it. it contains an exotic blend of special, hard-to-find, miracle cures, all wrapped up into this one bundle. but wait! we can only sell it to you right now if you buy it right now. dont worry though, we'll discount it. it used to be a billion dollars? now its 99.99, but only if you call right now. also- you know multivitamins? noooooo no those are very bad for you; you have to switch to our product or you'll get cancer. in fact, newborn babies must be fed our product, or you'll go to hell. 9/10 doctors agree with that statement, and so do two more for every nine who we interviewed, at official hospitals actually. each ounce of our product improves your IQ by ten points, and gives you sexual energy. hear what others are saying about it: "im the president of the united states, and i approve this product" we're so sure of our results, that we'll even pre-bill you for four more cases of it, to go with your first, for a total of 599.67$ but only if you act right now. pick up that phone when we coldcall you!

or uh

"best hamburger ever" ok that ones not so bad

but like, imagine before they made you put food ingredients on products

the real food ingredients i mean

and regulated it

"this pre-cooked, discount sausage meat is made of 101% RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL sausage meat!!!!!!!! (contains no wood shavings or rotten sausge meat or other animal parts or other things/stuff at all or grey-colored paint)

ok that covers "lies"

-the low quality so as the ceo of crunchies brand cereal, ive discovered that the secret to growth is the removal of product. this year's batch of crunchy cereal will feature 10% less actual grains, 5% worser grains, 12% more sawdust, and 33% more advertising, and if we follow the same formula year after year, i think theres a chance our stock could go up. make sure your kids dont eat it, and if anyone asks stand by the product.

-enormous income spreads (12 years later) so im the ceo of crunchies cereal, and i make 200 trillion times the income of the entire lower class! hahaha they might want crunchies brand but they cant afford it, and i wouldnt eat it if you paid me 300 trillion!

-interference with government im the ceo of crunchies, and ive decided to spend 500 trillion forcing the next election by overwhelming advertising. im creating, and forcing, a candidate of my design. i found someone willing- the first person i approached- the price was right- im having them: install crunchies brand as the sole lunchfood of all u.s. public schools, eliminate my competition by doj'ing all non-crunchies brands for antitrust, and im also having them install the religion of my choice- "underwearism" dont ask

-gangsterism enabling im joe, and i sell death! im a hit man! just pay me in currency; i can go and launder the money

-only way of getting food im bob, and even though im an animal on planet earth, i cannot walk around and get food. the entire earth is owned by my species, meaning im not allowed on any of it, unless i fight them with money for some of it. to "have my own space of land" (i can also only have the land i pay for, then have to stay there) i have to "make a bunch of money" (exchange medium, by making or selling goods or doing work), then exchange this for a plot. if i dont do this, i cant have land- in a sense theres not a single spot on earth i can step on. whats worse is its the same for eating, to go with that. if i cant step on others land i cant go roaming for trees with apples on them or whatever. how do i get apples? same formula. gotta make a bunch of money first- its the only way to get apples- i cannot go and pick apples- apples are not free; theyre money- only money equals apples

this is a strange arrangement. most animals can walk around and eat food. its something that goes with being an animal, and i consider us an animal. it didnt use to be like this. in fact, it was the natural way for longer than it was this way.

-jobs not provided our societies dont manufacture a certain number of jobs, in accordance with exactly how many people there are, and keep them on hand such that any day i can say "job!" and be whisked away to a job by my government, such that there wouldnt be a day or moment id go without apples.

behold: the my little pony episode about marxism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLBfhmp66D0&t=3s

if marxism starts with an armed revolt and ends with centralized control in the hands of one person (the party secretary or whatever), is marxism fascism? maybe theyre an enlightened despot- what about the revolt? maybe the revolt was done with votes. ok what about the central control- what about calling everyone who wasnt marxist the enemy? isnt fascism: when a strongman-type leader comes to power then makes all decisions, while and by calling other people the enemies and turning everyone against them? or, is this pattern similar to all changes of politics- theres always people leading the charge, yelling that the other ways are worse? is there a subtle difference though between calling other platforms wrong and asking for a democrat vote and shared power, versus calling other people enemies, asking for or taking total control, and then using the system to beat up political enemies? what exactly are you going to do with all the capitalists if your marxist minority successfully seizes power and then realizes that none of the capitalist citizens want to cooperate? seeing as the basis of your system is a belief that all currency is inherently evil (currency is an inanimate object by the way), can you enlighten me then? what is evil about currency? if you were a farmer trying to sell vegetables from your farm to a city, how would you distribute them yourself to enough different street corners and buyers to successfully sell them all before they wilt, soften, or rot, while carrying around the non-currency goods that you bartered your vegetables for all day? the only point of currency was to solve this problem: so that the farmer could just sell all the vegetables to different vegetable sellers, many at a time, so that those sellers can take their amount to their different vegetable stands on different corners and then sell those to different crowds in the city- anyone would be unlikely to find a place where they could sit on one corner and sell all the vegetables- people dont buy that many; they just buy a few at a time. theres a mark up in price each time, because, each person is doing additional work that adds to the system. if you wanted to achieve the same effect, but without currency, i believe you could work that out, and you dont need anyone enslaved or forced, you just need everyone excited about socialism or communism and you need a competent system worked out for it. it can be done. thats not what im debating with you. what im debating with you is only that: there was nothing wrong with, or evil about, the first system described, which uses currency. did i miss something? or did the marxists? do you know how appealing its been in every age to tell poor people that rich people are evil? its one of the most popular sentiments. can you understand how thats an appealing, popular sentiment at all times, without it being necessarily true? what if someone wrote a series of books though to capitalize on this fact, only to enrich themselves and amuse lower and middle class readers? first of all, arent they a capitalist for just trying to make money selling populist themed books of sentiment? did marx make no money? he certainly lived in a capitalism- did he barter with people for vegetables? how did they keep the vegetables from rotting? to clarify my position: i see capitalism and marxism as equally practicable; i just dont think theres an increase of morals with marxism.

Recently got banned from lemmy.worlds latestagecapitalism because one of their mods doesn't know the difference between being anti capitalist and anti democratic.

I'm getting real tired of leftists calling everyone right of them liberals just like maga calls everyone left of them libtards.

Like I want to get rid of capitalism but I'm not going to support accelerationists that consider their fellow working class members as expendable. I reject the notion that everyone who isn't chomping at the bit to start a civil war (that will put the most vulnerable people of our society in serious danger) is a "liberal in lockstep with fascism". That's a sociopathic mentality.

People born in democracies need to turn over their dirty diaper politicians regularly. That's how we move society towards socialism while avoiding throwing out the baby with the bath water.

short answer: only the incas!!!!! the incas are the only known real communists in history, unless other ancient cultures actually all worked that way too and we just have less evidence- very probable- as for the twentieth century- no, not really! there were three, brief, 20th century attempts that all failed disastrously:

soviet russia was actually a fully-functioning communist society at one point, in that they didnt use currency for a time, right? when was this time period? is this time period called anything? how did they get into and out of it? what happened? is this the only time this has been tried in the world?

The period you are referring to is known as War Communism ($Военный,коммунизм$), which lasted roughly from 1918 to 1921 during the Russian Civil War.

While it is often debated whether this was a "fully-functioning" society or a desperate wartime survival strategy, it remains the closest a major state has come to the rapid, forceful abolition of a money-based economy.

1. The Era of "War Communism" (1918–1921)

Upon taking power, the Bolsheviks faced a collapsing economy and a brutal civil war. They implemented a series of radical policies aimed at centralizing the entire economy:

• Abolition of Private Trade: All private commerce was declared illegal. The state became the sole distributor of goods.
• Hyperinflation & Moneyless Exchange: The government printed massive amounts of currency to pay for the war, effectively making the Ruble worthless. In response, they moved toward a "natural economy" where workers were paid in rations, fuel, and clothing rather than cash.
• Prodrazvyorstka (Grain Requisitioning): Since money was worthless, peasants had no incentive to sell grain. The state responded by sending armed detachments into the countryside to seize "surplus" crops by force to feed the cities and the Red Army.

2. Transition: How They Got In and Out

• The Entry: It was driven by a mix of ideology (the desire to leapfrog directly into communism) and necessity (the total breakdown of the market during the war). Leaders like Bukharin initially hailed the disappearance of money as a triumph of Marxist theory.
• The Exit: By 1921, the system had caused a total economic collapse. Industrial output fell to 20% of pre-war levels, and a massive famine in the Volga region killed millions. After the Kronstadt Rebellion—where even sailors who had supported the revolution revolted—Lenin realized the state was on the brink of collapse.

In March 1921, the USSR pivoted to the New Economic Policy (NEP). This was a "strategic retreat" that reintroduced a stable currency, allowed small private businesses to reopen, and replaced grain seizures with a fixed tax.

3. Has This Been Tried Elsewhere?

The attempt to fully abolish money and markets is rare because of the immense logistical difficulty, but there are a few notable examples:

• Cambodia (1975–1979): Under the Khmer Rouge, the National Bank was blown up, and currency was completely abolished. It was the most extreme attempt in history, resulting in a total agrarian shift and the death of approximately 25% of the population.
• Maoist China (Great Leap Forward): While money wasn't officially abolished nationwide, the "People’s Communes" attempted to replace wages with a system of "work points" and communal dining halls, effectively removing cash from daily life for millions of peasants.
• Inca Empire: Historically, the Inca are often cited as a large-scale civilization that functioned without a traditional currency or markets, instead utilizing a complex system of labor tribute ($mita$) and state redistribution.

Would you like to look into the specific economic theories the Bolsheviks used to justify the move away from currency, or perhaps see how the NEP era compared in terms of economic growth?

no i would like you to explain how the inca did it

The Inca Empire (Tawantinsuyu) is one of the most remarkable examples of a massive, complex civilization—spanning nearly 2,500 miles—that functioned entirely without money, markets, or a writing system as we know it.

Their "economy" was based on a system of centralized redistribution and labor tribute. Here is how they managed it:

1. The Ayllu: The Basic Unit

The foundation of the Inca system was the ayllu, a group of families who lived and worked together on a defined piece of land. People didn't "own" land; the state owned it. The ayllu members worked the land to feed themselves, but they also worked separate plots of land specifically designated for the State and the Sun (the religious establishment).

2. The Mit'a System (Labor Tax)

Instead of paying taxes in gold or currency, every able-bodied male citizen was required to provide a certain amount of labor to the state each year. This was called the Mit'a.

• Infrastructure: This labor was used to build the incredible 25,000-mile road network, massive stone fortresses like Machu Picchu, and the sophisticated terrace farming systems.
• Specialization: If a person was a skilled weaver, their "tax" might be producing a certain number of textiles. If they were a soldier, their tax was military service.

3. State Redistribution

This was the "functioning" part of their communist-like structure. The state maintained massive storehouses called Qullqas.

• Surplus Management: When the ayllus produced more grain, potatoes, or cloth than they needed, the surplus was collected by the state and stored in these Qullqas.
• Social Safety Net: If a region suffered a crop failure or a natural disaster, the Sapa Inca (the Emperor) would open the storehouses and redistribute the food and supplies to that region. In exchange for their labor (the Mit'a), the state guaranteed that every citizen was fed, clothed, and protected.

4. Quipu: The Data Management Tool

Because they had no money, the Inca needed an incredibly precise way to track resources, labor obligations, and population counts. They used the Quipu—a system of knotted strings.

• Different colors, types of knots, and the distance between knots represented different categories and quantities (e.g., "500 bushels of corn in the Cusco storehouse").
• Professional "accountants" called Quipucamayocs traveled the empire to ensure the books balanced, making sure no region was over-taxed or under-supplied.

5. Why it Worked (and why it’s hard to replicate)

• Total State Control: The Inca state controlled almost every aspect of life. You couldn't move to another village or change your profession without state permission.
• Vertical Archipelago: The Inca lived in the Andes, where different altitudes produced different goods (fish from the coast, corn from the valleys, potatoes from the heights). The state-controlled trade between these altitudes ensured everyone had a diverse diet, which was more efficient than a market would have been in such rugged terrain.

In essence, the Inca replaced the "Invisible Hand" of the market with the "Visible Hand" of a highly organized, bureaucratic state that viewed its citizens as a labor force to be maintained and cared for.

This model assumes, first of all, that "there are three kinds of people possible, relative to any political system":

Relative to any single, political system, you may have people who have the following significant variety of attitudes:

1. "I don't want anything to do with this political system, even though everyone else chose it. I want to be left alone, and left out of this system, as much as possible." (Doesn't want to participate, isn't ambitious)

2. "I want to nominally participate in this political system, but, I want to do the least amount of work possible within it, while otherwise having as much fun as possible. I'm willing to work with the others, but I would like to do that as little as possible, in exchange for having as much freetime as possible, to have as much fun as possible." (Wants to minimally participate, isn't ambitious)

3. "I want to maximize the efficiency and proficiency of human society, along with others who want to do that" (Wants to participate a lot, is ambitious)

A "Freedom Communism" model is devised to attempt to meet the wants of these three different groups, all at once. There are ambition-seekers, fun-seekers, and those who want to be left alone. How can we provide ideal conditions for all of them at once, in a system that overall emphasizes both freedom and societal proficiency?

[Conversation starter] [I'm gonna edit/add to this... hold on... just wanted to get the post started---> this is the starting proposition/problem.... feel free to add your own thoughts! i have a half-worked-out idea for how to achieve this, will take a lot of typing though, check back later today or tomorrow or the next day if you're interested in this post! * work in progress; beginning section ^

YOU HAVE TO PUT THE COMMENTS SECTION INTO "NEW" OR "OLD" ORDER (I GUESS OLD ACTUALLY TO READ THE NEXT PARTS TOP-DOWN IN ORDER) TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE NEXT PARTS: ITS ALL WRITTEN IN ORDER: SET TO OLD, READ STRAIGHT THROUGH