This is probably an old meme. I use Linux as a dedicated gaming OS, macOS for everything else except when Linux is already booted or nothing is and I want to do something quickly.
I kind of really dislike the notion that you only use Linux because you are too poor for Apple.
I don't use Apple because I don't like to be stuck in a walled garden where a company decides what's best for me.
I know it's just a meme, but I think too many people actually think Linux is somehow inferior to Apple (MacOS) while I think it's the other way around.
Also. MacOS is absolute garbage. I've used it for 4 months now, and it pisses me off how inconsistent it is, and poorly designed and written. Two days wasted because of an almost bricked laptop because the monitor was set to 60Hz while installing an update. Just think about that.
I also had the misfortune of booting into windows after changing a motherboard. It was an absolute shit show there too, with broken drivers. Two hours of debugging. Had to use a long ethenet cable to even start fixing it, a flashback to a Linux experience I had in 2007.
Same system in Linux? Not a single second spent. WiFi drivers, microcode. Everything worked fine. Only thing necessary was fixing the grub/mbr partition that Windows decided to write over, on a separate drive. But that's also Microsoft being shit.
People just don't know how much more usable Linux is these days. Especially for power users. You can do so many things, so easily, that either works out of the box, or you can do with simple scripting. The only issue is software availability, but that too is mostly a thing of the past, and not really a fault of the OS.
Yes, I agree. Just holy cactus, MacOS is just so bad these days. The inconsistency us driving me nuts.
Why do the windows you open with the "help" menus inside of apps have small buttons?
Why do some apps (e.g. Music) have a Search entry on the left side, and why do so have it on the left?
Why do we still have tons of icons for system apps (Photo Booth, I'm looking at you) who have been programmed in a time where there have been dinosaurs around and seem to have never changed?
... And so on. Like honestly, MacOS is so much better that Windows (which admittedly isn't hard), but when I open up my good ol' Fedora I dont have the feeling that I see a new shiny operating system, and when I click on a wrong button I am in the 1990-s again. Or 2050-s. Or God knows where.
Linux has its unique set of challenges, but I fully agree that the notion that "MacOS is better than the rest" just isn't true anymore. Maybe it was, when Linux distributions were worse and there was more money put into bugfixing OS releases. But not anymore.
While it's not a feature out of the box, there is software to add this functionality to macOS. But... same on Linux. You need to install that software if you want the feature. (Gnome/i3/other choice with this functionality.) So ๐คทโโ๏ธ
The most popular software to do that is proprietary and you have to buy it. For Apple you are only a demi-sentient wallet and they are constantly trying to dry you up. I hate that with a passion.
Youโre confusing iOS, where you are in a walled garden, with macOS, where you can just do whatever the hell you want (Thereโs a recovery partition you can boot to where you can disable just about every bit of security thatโs not hardware much like booting to grub in Linux)
Private servers not official Microsoft ones you login on the game. A server that isnโt connected by Microsoft organization in the Minecraft community. Thatโs the private server im talking about.
Oh yes, I had actually forgotten that this things exists. You could be right.
But quick search says there is a way to use Bedrock on linux and connect to all kind of servers / realms as well. even together with java users. but tbh, i have not looked deeper into it.
Yeah nah I host my own Minecraft server and you're just wrong. I've used multiple server softwares as well that have nothing to do with Microsoft. Are you talking about bedrock edition maybe?
Java version is the easiest to run on Linux. I have seen that people have gotten Bedrock to work but it looks a lot harder to get running and has more limitations.
Java is famously cross-platform. It even means you can run a Minecraft server on Arm64 without issue. I currently have a heavily modded Minecraft server hosted on an Ampere Alta VPS without a single hitch
ARM compatibility is still shit. All actually useful desktop apps are still primarily x86-64, the compatibility layer Rosetta is hit or miss, everything is proprietary and expensive, and Apple decided the Pro model should only have 8GB for a shit ton of money. Apple is overpriced trash in the '20s.
Worth every penny IMO, MacOS is super nice and so is the hardware.
Putting all my legitimate Apple/MacOS concerns/arguments aside, how can you declare a product as "Worth every penny" when you yourself have not used it for an extensive period of time? Attempted to integrate it into your workflow?
If I follow this reasoning, I should be running windows. I am not running windows, Ergo, either it is incorrect or I am incorrect. And I refuse to believe I'm incorrect.
You can tell because it suggests Linux isn't for gamers but Valve has its own game console that runs on Linux. It'd be pretty stupid if a game console couldn't run games.
I had a friend about 25 years ago who was very much into Quake Arena. His gaming setup ran on BSD. Now that I've been gaming on Linux for several years, I've really come to appreciate how much work it must have been to get that setup running smoothly in the late 90s. He died a couple of years ago. I sometimes wish I could call him up and get some advice.
This one didn't age quite as poorly as some of the others. I have gotten to the point of generally preferring Linux gaming now though. Bsd is still a bit lacking for my general computing but opnsense on my router is one of those 'where has this been all my life?' things.
OpnSense wasn't quite there yet a few years ago. Now, it's golden ๐! Don't know why people still prefer pfSense over OpnSense, it's so much easier to set up and maintain.
I didn't try pfsense but it sounded like opnsense suited me better and I have had no reason to change so far. It has also made managing my self host stuff so much easier but a lot of it is pending being redone with more future proofing.
Eh? I don't get BSODs because my compositor simply crashes (requiring a system restart, as the compositor will crash again if restarted) or my graphics driver hangs. Can't remember the last time I bluescreened on Windows except for when I was testing an unstable RAM overclock.
I won't say Linux gaming is better than Windows, but I will say it's good enough that I don't miss Windows at all even after a few years.
It's highly specific to your setup and the game/software. Most games aren't a problem. Just the occasional random issue, like in WoW certain locations insta-crash my graphics driver.
My setup is pretty clean hardware wise (Zen 3, matched RAM, stable/no overclocking, 6800xt), mainline mesa drivers, only thing that's really unstable is wlroots-git / sway-git. Which is sometimes the problem, and other times it's mesa. I also have 3x 1440p monitors, 240/120/120Hz, so if there's any throughput-related bug I'll probably run into it. Being on Arch I'll probably also run into bugs related to updates in dynamically linked libraries fairly early, sometimes before they're fixed.
I do. Last Monday between 8-11am. But on a school PC. 64-bit Windows 10 Pro doesn't seem to play well with slow ancient 80GB HDD, ancient entry-level single-core CPU and 1GiB of RAM leaving just 45MiB free when nothing else than task manager was open.
Can't blame Windows here though. It couldn't even run Linux Mint XFCE (crashed after opening Firefox).
This week I "upgraded" it to Windows 7 SP1. Yes, it's connected to internet. But don't worry, we also have Windows XP machines connected to internet.
Just a funny note: One of the requirements from these computers is that they run the newest version of Cisco Packet Tracer... which requires 4GB of free RAM. Yeah, sure.
ancient 80GB HDD, ancient entry-level single-core CPU and 1GiB of RAM
It couldnโt even run Linux Mint XFCE (crashed after opening Firefox)
So the biggest limitation for literally anything will be memory. 1GiB is less than anything other than an Ubuntu server VM will handle
Pro editions of Windows 10 have memory compression which combined with paging will allow it to barely function, but Windows 7 and later will absolutely chug on a single core processor, with 10 basically being unusable due to heavy background processes.
On Linux it appears you have to really do some heavy customization to get memory compression to work, but you can use zram-config to setup a compressed swap file, so it will be slightly less bad. I suspect this is probably the easiest path to having this computer be capable of loading Firefox and a GUI.
With all of that said, an 80GB HDD is going to be incredibly slow even by hard drive standards, and a single core processor is going to be missing so many modern instruction sets that everything will be slow as molasses but even worse, it'll be unreliably slow because certain things that rely on those instructions will chug as it churns through it the hard way, but then other things will zip by normally.
This PC sounds like an excercise in refusing to let the dead die, which while an entertaining challenge, eventually the only solution will be to make it place for running period-correct software
People who wear cat ear headphones and thigh high socks are actually respectable. When OP says "hoodie" they mean "script kiddie who feels like a badass for changing the color of his terminal".
Note the lack of use of gender neutral pronouns. I do not believe that any woman or enby, trans or otherwise, would stoop so low.
You forgot the fedoras and capes. And of course OG h4X0rs wore XXL t-shirts and ancient jeans, and lived on honey coffee, locusts cigarettes and stuff that got stuck between their toes.
I knew nothing about linux 2 years ago and started with installing Debian on my surface go 2. This explains why I couldnโt get the web cam to work to this day.
Iโm not sure what do you mean by firmware blob but Ive done the following:
Added non-free to the sources file.
Installed Surface-linux lib.
There is a guide in surface-linux library which requires compiling something with CMAKE. Iโm not comfortable at the moment to do it since I donโt have the time to fix it if something went wrong.
I couldnโt find a good touch gui for debian so ill give ubuntu a shot.
In the non-free repo, there should be something like firmware-broadcom, firmware-amd, firmware-intel, etc. Those are binary blobs, closed source firmware (supplied by the manufacturer) that is loaded in the device in order to make it work with the linux kernel. See the make and model od the device via lspci or lsusb (depends on how the device is connected to the PC) and see the make and model. If it's, let's say, Broadcom, install the Broadcom firmware package and restart the rig.
Regarding cmake, you could use BTRFS to revert everything back to the way it was, just make a restore point before doing make install.
I'm actually curious what BSD provides in comparison to Linux. What does it add, do better, or worse?
The only thing I know is that they introduced some stuff way before linux did, but that's simply due to the age. BSD jails for example have been around for a long time. Buy beyond that, it was never apparent to me why linux took off and BSD didn't.
Bsd is a complete package and tested as such. All the software and everything. It's like windows, when it's released you install it and you get wordpad, edge, calculator etc. Bsd is the same that way. Linux is just a kernel, with the distributions bolting on the gnu software. I know it sounds kinda the same but it's not.
Also the license. With Linux I think you need to cite it's use and you can't charge for something build with it (of course there's exceptions, like packages you create do not need to be for example), but bsd license is the most permissive. You can charge a customer for it and dress it up however you want.
You don't need to cite, you need to provide source code. The point of GPL is to allow the user to inspect and modify the software. You can even sell it as long as you provide the modified source code under the same license.
I would say the biggest advantage is that OpenBSD is a very security-focused distribution, in a way that I don't think any Linux-based distro has adopted.
The other advantage is ZFS. 10-20 years ago, there was no equivalent, and btrfs was in its infancy. These days, btrfs has proven that it is pretty stable and resilient. There might still be some advantages of ZFS over btrfs, but I haven't used either one at all, so I can't really be sure.
Outside of that, the BSDs are basically just different distros. Back in the 90s, when there was a lot more diversity in Unix, a lot of people just started out with *BSD because there was no clear choice at the time. People just like to use what they are more comfortable with - but most new users pick Linux over BSD these days, and a lot of people who started out on BSD have assimilated onto Linux.
Still, diversity is a good, nice thing, especially with the advent of systemd. So I'm glad we still have the BSDs around, even if I disagree with their stance toward the GPL.
There might still be some advantages of ZFS over btrfs, but I haven't used either one at all, so I can't really be sure.
Curently, there are none. In fact, BTRFS has outperformed ZFS in every aspect in the past few years, including filesystem growth (when changing drives, put in bigger ones, something you could never do with ZFS).
Outside of that, the BSDs are basically just different distros. Back in the 90s, when there was a lot more diversity in Unix, a lot of people just started out with *BSD because there was no clear choice at the time. People just like to use what they are more comfortable with - but most new users pick Linux over BSD these days, and a lot of people who started out on BSD have assimilated onto Linux.
The main reason is more drivers and software. Sure, it might be fun compiling from source when you're young, but at the end of the day, when you wanna get work done, you really can't tell your customer (or boss) "look, I really can't deal with this right now, I'm building FF from source". Also, one of the main reasons why Gentoo and LFS have a fairly small user base.
Still, diversity is a good, nice thing, especially with the advent of systemd. So I'm glad we still have the BSDs around, even if I disagree with their stance toward the GPL.
There are distros that don't use systemd, Void being the most prominent of them all (mainly because of the number of packages it has in it's repo).
You get to write your own drivers from scratch, so you know for sure no one is spying on you ๐.
Linux took off because, one, it wasn't backed up by an institution or a company, just one guy doing weird stuff with his computer, and two, because of the license. People don't like investing time in something that others might use for free in their commercial products. And not only that, but they're not bound by law to release the source for that. And this is the reasson why every printer out there runs a BSD variant, not Linux.
Yea I don't use Linux much but both my router and nas are running BSD. Also I found out the PS5 runs BSD. Guessing the benefits are a stable OS as my router/nas often have uptime in the months with my NAS once running over a year without being restarted.
No, it's because BSD has a permissive license, unlike Linux. You have to release source if you change the source, which is not what BSD is about. BSD says "here's the source, do whatever you want with it".
I use Void Linux because I don't have too much free time (for figuring out all the little moments with configuring something more automated like Debian for my laptop, or for compiling stuff in Gentoo, or for micromanaging Slackware).
Isn't freebsd the more general purpose, more bleeding edge (comparatively) option with openbsd having a focus on security and netbsd with a focus on portability and stability.
I seriously doubt any community out there gets as much comments as Linux Memes ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ. You just drop a pic and everyone is like "uuu, I gotta comment on that, can't resist ๐ฌ" ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ.
Technically false
Gamer here, use Linux cause proton is good and I'm fed up with windows lol
This is probably an old meme. I use Linux as a dedicated gaming OS, macOS for everything else except when Linux is already booted or nothing is and I want to do something quickly.
Why not Linux for everything else? Art apps?
In my case, Inventor and AutoCAD. I hate AutoDesk with the fury of a thousand suns, but FreeCAD just isn't stable enough.
Oh, and currently needing .NET automatic source generation (long story), which is very difficult to develop on anything other than Windows.
Because I just prefer macOS more. And Safari is good.
I use Windows only when a certain game has a quirk in Linux. Everything else is Linux. Video editing, photo editing, gaming, browsing, etc
I kind of really dislike the notion that you only use Linux because you are too poor for Apple.
I don't use Apple because I don't like to be stuck in a walled garden where a company decides what's best for me.
I know it's just a meme, but I think too many people actually think Linux is somehow inferior to Apple (MacOS) while I think it's the other way around.
Also. MacOS is absolute garbage. I've used it for 4 months now, and it pisses me off how inconsistent it is, and poorly designed and written. Two days wasted because of an almost bricked laptop because the monitor was set to 60Hz while installing an update. Just think about that.
I also had the misfortune of booting into windows after changing a motherboard. It was an absolute shit show there too, with broken drivers. Two hours of debugging. Had to use a long ethenet cable to even start fixing it, a flashback to a Linux experience I had in 2007.
Same system in Linux? Not a single second spent. WiFi drivers, microcode. Everything worked fine. Only thing necessary was fixing the grub/mbr partition that Windows decided to write over, on a separate drive. But that's also Microsoft being shit.
People just don't know how much more usable Linux is these days. Especially for power users. You can do so many things, so easily, that either works out of the box, or you can do with simple scripting. The only issue is software availability, but that too is mostly a thing of the past, and not really a fault of the OS.
Yes, I agree. Just holy cactus, MacOS is just so bad these days. The inconsistency us driving me nuts. Why do the windows you open with the "help" menus inside of apps have small buttons? Why do some apps (e.g. Music) have a Search entry on the left side, and why do so have it on the left? Why do we still have tons of icons for system apps (Photo Booth, I'm looking at you) who have been programmed in a time where there have been dinosaurs around and seem to have never changed? ... And so on. Like honestly, MacOS is so much better that Windows (which admittedly isn't hard), but when I open up my good ol' Fedora I dont have the feeling that I see a new shiny operating system, and when I click on a wrong button I am in the 1990-s again. Or 2050-s. Or God knows where. Linux has its unique set of challenges, but I fully agree that the notion that "MacOS is better than the rest" just isn't true anymore. Maybe it was, when Linux distributions were worse and there was more money put into bugfixing OS releases. But not anymore.
It's supposed to be funny ๐คท ๐, like a very simplified version of how things actually are.
While it's not a feature out of the box, there is software to add this functionality to macOS. But... same on Linux. You need to install that software if you want the feature. (Gnome/i3/other choice with this functionality.) So ๐คทโโ๏ธ
The most popular software to do that is proprietary and you have to buy it. For Apple you are only a demi-sentient wallet and they are constantly trying to dry you up. I hate that with a passion.
Okay. Is that software owned by Apple, you mean? Or only available through their store?
What about the next, or second next popular software to do that? All proprietary and cost money?
Just curious.
Youโre confusing iOS, where you are in a walled garden, with macOS, where you can just do whatever the hell you want (Thereโs a recovery partition you can boot to where you can disable just about every bit of security thatโs not hardware much like booting to grub in Linux)
You're right, although I wouldn't be surprised that at some point MacOS will have a mandatory app store to protect you.
Proton is so fucking good these days
I'm close to switching to Linux with proton
Go for it ๐.
Bottles is great, and it puts links in for you into Steam, so you can launch the games directly from inside the Steam client.
Not good enough for DRM games, most mmo games or playing on private servers in minecraft or something.
What's are you talking about with Minecraft? I've always been able to joins any server cause it's the same game.
Yeah plenty of actual examples for games that don't work / work well on Linux. Minecraft is not on that list
I've never had an issue with minecraft directly related to linux, even modded
Private servers not official Microsoft ones you login on the game. A server that isnโt connected by Microsoft organization in the Minecraft community. Thatโs the private server im talking about.
I play Minecraft without any problem on:
No idea what problems you seem to have but Minecraft works 100% perfect on Linux.
Think they mean Bedrock, not Java
Bedrock is the windows-forced version and has Realms, which is probably what they mean by private server
Really good example of the difference between old and new school PC gaming right there
Oh yes, I had actually forgotten that this things exists. You could be right. But quick search says there is a way to use Bedrock on linux and connect to all kind of servers / realms as well. even together with java users. but tbh, i have not looked deeper into it.
Yeah nah I host my own Minecraft server and you're just wrong. I've used multiple server softwares as well that have nothing to do with Microsoft. Are you talking about bedrock edition maybe?
I have been able to join community hosted minecraft servers no problem
Minecraft works perfectly fine, pretty sure it runs natively on Linux actually.
Java version is the easiest to run on Linux. I have seen that people have gotten Bedrock to work but it looks a lot harder to get running and has more limitations.
Java is famously cross-platform. It even means you can run a Minecraft server on Arm64 without issue. I currently have a heavily modded Minecraft server hosted on an Ampere Alta VPS without a single hitch
If the DRM or anticheat needs low enough level access that it won't run in wine I don't think I really want it running on my computer either way.
I think it's almost at the point where the only games that don't work are games with anti cheat that refuse to play nicely.
I play WoW, SWTOR, and New World just fine.
Which MMOs were you thinking about?
minecraft (java, not sure about bedrock) on linux is flawless, private servers work exactly as they do on windows.
Cool Edge Lord points, bruh.
Do you fear God?
Yes -> TempleOS
In puberty? Hannah Montana Linux.
Kim Jong Un is god? Red Star OS. There's a Linux distro for everyone.
Are you sus?
Yes --> AmogOS
I thought you were kidding. Can't believe it is a real thing.
God, I love the internet.
catgirl? UWUNTU
No -> https://ubuntusatanic.org/about
Do you make a furry comic from the 90's?
Yes -> Amiga
Context?
https://www.sabrina-online.com/
Are you rich?Are you bad with money?
Just because you're bad with money does not mean you can afford an Apple product.
Just because you cant afford an apple product doesn't mean you won't buy one (on credit)
... Damn, good point...
Pay only 29.95/month! (for 100 months)
Worth every penny IMO, MacOS is super nice and so is the hardware.
(I don't have a mac, wish I did though).
Cue the apple hater replies, this will be fun.
Mac was fantastic in the '80s
Mac was great in the "90s
Mac was good in the '00s
Linux Mint was fantastic in the '10s
Ok but itโs the 20s and I want to run apps that are only on new chip MacOS computers and i donโt have one what do I do, saaave me linukz
ARM compatibility is still shit. All actually useful desktop apps are still primarily x86-64, the compatibility layer Rosetta is hit or miss, everything is proprietary and expensive, and Apple decided the Pro model should only have 8GB for a shit ton of money. Apple is overpriced trash in the '20s.
I think this is the first time I've seen someone refer to the 2020s as the 20s. I've kind of been waiting for it.
Putting all my legitimate Apple/MacOS concerns/arguments aside, how can you declare a product as "Worth every penny" when you yourself have not used it for an extensive period of time? Attempted to integrate it into your workflow?
Linux gamer here
Works no probs
Wrong. I've ran into a ton of issues recently with proton. Don't act like it's flawless. It needs a lot of work.
most of us that gave up windows did so because it had tons of issues. Don't act like windows is flawless, MS stopped putting in work.
Lemmy trying to act like Linux is less work than Windows for gaming, the delusion is palpable
It needs work, but it's a lot better than what Windows has to offer regarding legacy games.
What games do you play?
This flowchart is wrong.
If I follow this reasoning, I should be running windows. I am not running windows, Ergo, either it is incorrect or I am incorrect. And I refuse to believe I'm incorrect.
Thatโs because this image is dated af.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jmaUIyvy8E8
It's pronounced gpeg
No, I'm sure it's pronounced as jpej.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/jpeg
Love the "A KNOW"
This is quite dated somehow
That doesn't mean it is not a great meme!
Just look at all the butt hurt comments complaining about the content :)
This is Fedora erasure
You can blame IBM for that...
Fedora's still a good distro. I would always recommend it over Ubuntu and Debian for a home user with a bit of technical affinity.
We will rise.
All roads lead to Hannah Montana Linux.
I'm waiting for a Mariah Carey Christmass Edition Linux.
I may have spent too many years in the service industry
This is a old meme
You can tell because it suggests Linux isn't for gamers but Valve has its own game console that runs on Linux. It'd be pretty stupid if a game console couldn't run games.
You can also tell just by how jpegged the image has become.
I think modern playstations run something BSD based, the switch might too. The Xbox runs some weird NT based thing.
logic-gate-keeping
I wonder if we can make a 8 bit adder out of gate keeping
no its NOT
I am once again asking:
Do you fear God? โ(yes)โ> TempleOS
Do you fear God? โ(no)โ> HannahMontanaOS
I had a friend about 25 years ago who was very much into Quake Arena. His gaming setup ran on BSD. Now that I've been gaming on Linux for several years, I've really come to appreciate how much work it must have been to get that setup running smoothly in the late 90s. He died a couple of years ago. I sometimes wish I could call him up and get some advice.
Wow... just wow... QIII on BSD 25 years ago... yeah, that must have been hell to set up...
This one didn't age quite as poorly as some of the others. I have gotten to the point of generally preferring Linux gaming now though. Bsd is still a bit lacking for my general computing but opnsense on my router is one of those 'where has this been all my life?' things.
OpnSense wasn't quite there yet a few years ago. Now, it's golden ๐! Don't know why people still prefer pfSense over OpnSense, it's so much easier to set up and maintain.
I didn't try pfsense but it sounded like opnsense suited me better and I have had no reason to change so far. It has also made managing my self host stuff so much easier but a lot of it is pending being redone with more future proofing.
My comment is still compiling from source
lol ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
How to tell someone is a Linux gamer?
don't worry, they'll tell you all about it
hey, linux gamer here!
Linux gaming is better than Windows imo. No tracking, random bsod, shit just either works or it doesn't. If it doesn't, you make it work.
Eh? I don't get BSODs because my compositor simply crashes (requiring a system restart, as the compositor will crash again if restarted) or my graphics driver hangs. Can't remember the last time I bluescreened on Windows except for when I was testing an unstable RAM overclock.
I won't say Linux gaming is better than Windows, but I will say it's good enough that I don't miss Windows at all even after a few years.
Hm, weird! I never experiences crashes, except if I leave my pc on for days on end
It's highly specific to your setup and the game/software. Most games aren't a problem. Just the occasional random issue, like in WoW certain locations insta-crash my graphics driver.
That's so odd. Yea, I do agree it's the setup. Lots of people mix ram sticks, weird drivers, etc.
My setup is pretty clean hardware wise (Zen 3, matched RAM, stable/no overclocking, 6800xt), mainline mesa drivers, only thing that's really unstable is wlroots-git / sway-git. Which is sometimes the problem, and other times it's mesa. I also have 3x 1440p monitors, 240/120/120Hz, so if there's any throughput-related bug I'll probably run into it. Being on Arch I'll probably also run into bugs related to updates in dynamically linked libraries fairly early, sometimes before they're fixed.
I also run arch and xfce4, having more than 1 monitor fucks with my refresh rates. Also, your setup sounds pretty nice
I do. Last Monday between 8-11am. But on a school PC. 64-bit Windows 10 Pro doesn't seem to play well with slow ancient 80GB HDD, ancient entry-level single-core CPU and 1GiB of RAM leaving just 45MiB free when nothing else than task manager was open.
Can't blame Windows here though. It couldn't even run Linux Mint XFCE (crashed after opening Firefox). This week I "upgraded" it to Windows 7 SP1. Yes, it's connected to internet. But don't worry, we also have Windows XP machines connected to internet.
Just a funny note: One of the requirements from these computers is that they run the newest version of Cisco Packet Tracer... which requires 4GB of free RAM. Yeah, sure.
So the biggest limitation for literally anything will be memory. 1GiB is less than anything other than an Ubuntu server VM will handle
Pro editions of Windows 10 have memory compression which combined with paging will allow it to barely function, but Windows 7 and later will absolutely chug on a single core processor, with 10 basically being unusable due to heavy background processes.
On Linux it appears you have to really do some heavy customization to get memory compression to work, but you can use
zram-configto setup a compressed swap file, so it will be slightly less bad. I suspect this is probably the easiest path to having this computer be capable of loading Firefox and a GUI.With all of that said, an 80GB HDD is going to be incredibly slow even by hard drive standards, and a single core processor is going to be missing so many modern instruction sets that everything will be slow as molasses but even worse, it'll be unreliably slow because certain things that rely on those instructions will chug as it churns through it the hard way, but then other things will zip by normally.
This PC sounds like an excercise in refusing to let the dead die, which while an entertaining challenge, eventually the only solution will be to make it place for running period-correct software
The only time I've seen a bsod in the last 10 years was because of faulty RAM that would've crashed any OS just as hard.
I work in IT and I see them weekly. Most of the time caused by Microsoft updates or people not shutting down their pc for over a week
You're delusional
Why you even on linuxmemes ?
As always my boy openSUSE left to the wayside :(
There's probably a chameleon there, but well camouflaged...
What is hoodie?
You would choose no.
But what is it?
Stereotypical h4X0r wear.
Hoodie with ears and thigh high socks; the only thing h4X0rs wear.
People who wear cat ear headphones and thigh high socks are actually respectable. When OP says "hoodie" they mean "script kiddie who feels like a badass for changing the color of his terminal".
Note the lack of use of gender neutral pronouns. I do not believe that any woman or enby, trans or otherwise, would stoop so low.
You forgot the fedoras and capes. And of course OG h4X0rs wore XXL t-shirts and ancient jeans, and lived on
honeycoffee,locustscigarettes and stuff that got stuck between their toes.But what is it?
Hoodie OS. Used by people who type one line into a terminal to bring down the government and say "I'm in" when they extract data from databases.
I am one of the few who once had BSD installed on a laptop, and GOD DAMN do I miss being that weirdo.
You can still do it ๐คท ๐.
I knew nothing about linux 2 years ago and started with installing Debian on my surface go 2. This explains why I couldnโt get the web cam to work to this day.
Try frimware binary blob packages, those usually have whatever to make the thingie work with the Linux kernel.
Iโm not sure what do you mean by firmware blob but Ive done the following:
There is a guide in surface-linux library which requires compiling something with CMAKE. Iโm not comfortable at the moment to do it since I donโt have the time to fix it if something went wrong.
I couldnโt find a good touch gui for debian so ill give ubuntu a shot.
In the non-free repo, there should be something like firmware-broadcom, firmware-amd, firmware-intel, etc. Those are binary blobs, closed source firmware (supplied by the manufacturer) that is loaded in the device in order to make it work with the linux kernel. See the make and model od the device via
lspciorlsusb(depends on how the device is connected to the PC) and see the make and model. If it's, let's say, Broadcom, install the Broadcom firmware package and restart the rig.Regarding cmake, you could use BTRFS to revert everything back to the way it was, just make a restore point before doing
make install.How is Fedora not there?
"Does IBM pay your salary?" isn't in the flowchart. :)
https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=alma
That is the fork of RHEL. Probably better to put Fedora indeed.
I'm on NixOS where do I fit
That's a new concept... should be somewhere between Linux admin and Hoodie IMO... or maybe before Linux admin.
On the hidden "Do you believe that everything should be defined as code?"
Do you "see the matrix"?
I'm actually curious what BSD provides in comparison to Linux. What does it add, do better, or worse?
The only thing I know is that they introduced some stuff way before linux did, but that's simply due to the age. BSD jails for example have been around for a long time. Buy beyond that, it was never apparent to me why linux took off and BSD didn't.
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Bsd is a complete package and tested as such. All the software and everything. It's like windows, when it's released you install it and you get wordpad, edge, calculator etc. Bsd is the same that way. Linux is just a kernel, with the distributions bolting on the gnu software. I know it sounds kinda the same but it's not.
Also the license. With Linux I think you need to cite it's use and you can't charge for something build with it (of course there's exceptions, like packages you create do not need to be for example), but bsd license is the most permissive. You can charge a customer for it and dress it up however you want.
No systemd.
There's some other stuff too
You don't need to cite, you need to provide source code. The point of GPL is to allow the user to inspect and modify the software. You can even sell it as long as you provide the modified source code under the same license.
Thanks, that's the best explanation I've gotten so far ๐
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I would say the biggest advantage is that OpenBSD is a very security-focused distribution, in a way that I don't think any Linux-based distro has adopted.
The other advantage is ZFS. 10-20 years ago, there was no equivalent, and btrfs was in its infancy. These days, btrfs has proven that it is pretty stable and resilient. There might still be some advantages of ZFS over btrfs, but I haven't used either one at all, so I can't really be sure.
Outside of that, the BSDs are basically just different distros. Back in the 90s, when there was a lot more diversity in Unix, a lot of people just started out with *BSD because there was no clear choice at the time. People just like to use what they are more comfortable with - but most new users pick Linux over BSD these days, and a lot of people who started out on BSD have assimilated onto Linux.
Still, diversity is a good, nice thing, especially with the advent of systemd. So I'm glad we still have the BSDs around, even if I disagree with their stance toward the GPL.
Also zfs on Linux has been a thing for a while now
Still, now I'd use BTRFS over ZFS any time.
Curently, there are none. In fact, BTRFS has outperformed ZFS in every aspect in the past few years, including filesystem growth (when changing drives, put in bigger ones, something you could never do with ZFS).
The main reason is more drivers and software. Sure, it might be fun compiling from source when you're young, but at the end of the day, when you wanna get work done, you really can't tell your customer (or boss) "look, I really can't deal with this right now, I'm building FF from source". Also, one of the main reasons why Gentoo and LFS have a fairly small user base.
There are distros that don't use systemd, Void being the most prominent of them all (mainly because of the number of packages it has in it's repo).
You get to write your own drivers from scratch, so you know for sure no one is spying on you ๐.
Linux took off because, one, it wasn't backed up by an institution or a company, just one guy doing weird stuff with his computer, and two, because of the license. People don't like investing time in something that others might use for free in their commercial products. And not only that, but they're not bound by law to release the source for that. And this is the reasson why every printer out there runs a BSD variant, not Linux.
Yea I don't use Linux much but both my router and nas are running BSD. Also I found out the PS5 runs BSD. Guessing the benefits are a stable OS as my router/nas often have uptime in the months with my NAS once running over a year without being restarted.
No, it's because BSD has a permissive license, unlike Linux. You have to release source if you change the source, which is not what BSD is about. BSD says "here's the source, do whatever you want with it".
ZFS is stable as fuck there. Perfect for running a file server.
BTRFS is there as well in the past few years or so.
Wherefore art thou Fedora? Et tu Rocky?
What's
P!andLM?Pop! OS and Linux Mint
Thanks!
Pop_OS! and Linux Mint.
FreeBSD is too mainstream, I use 9front
I use Void Linux because I don't have too much free time (for figuring out all the little moments with configuring something more automated like Debian for my laptop, or for compiling stuff in Gentoo, or for micromanaging Slackware).
Void saves you compiling time as well ๐.
That's a funny way to spell Rocky
whats that at the end?
That's FreeBSD, if I recall TrueNAS is based on it
Wikipedia if interested
Truenas Core is Freebsd-based, Truenas Scale is debian-based i believe.
Not sure where Iโd put net- or open- in this, but I guess itโs meant to cover them all
Isn't freebsd the more general purpose, more bleeding edge (comparatively) option with openbsd having a focus on security and netbsd with a focus on portability and stability.
FreeBSD. It's the new logo, the old one was with a little devil with a trident.
Looks like TempleOS tier OS
The menace of those who run kali as a daily driver for the lulz
Reject modernity, return to typewriters
Trouble is, they can't do lots of other things that computers can ๐คท.
Honestly now pristine m1 macs can be bought on eBay or Gumtree they are not for just the rich anymore
Yes but Linux support is still bad and the stock OS is terrible.
i play games sometimes and gimme mint
Sad bsd noises.
Lmao that was a fun ride
Alma Linux being on here gave me a chuckle. Pour one out for a real one.
I'm a Linux gamer, can you adjust it too do you play certain games that don't run on Linux? ![email protected] Edit: fixed the link
![email protected] is what you probably meant to type
yes but it seemed to work for me anyways.
Because you are tagging a community on your own instance. It doesnt work for people on other instances
ah ok, I'll fix it then.
The meme is not mine, I stole it ๐คท ๐.
Fair enough
Someone have the list of all those brands?
From top to bottom and left to right
Anyone want to help out fill in the blanks?
I know that after arch is Gentoo, the last one is FreeBSD
The one beside Debian is almalinux I think.
The one beside Kali is parrot
Talked about linux in discord the other day and all the linux people were fucking annoying as shit about it
They're probably kids and feel like 1337 for using Linux. It's just an OS, like any other.
Is your desktop equipped with a spark blanket and a fume hood? -> JavaOS
I have to admit I used FreeBSD as my daily driver years ago. But I've also used everything else in the list at one point or another.
You work in IT, no doubt... the only reason to try/troubleshoot everything there is out there ๐.
Lol, yep. Twenty years give or take testing just about everything along the way. ๐
where void linux
Yeah, that was a bummer for me as well ๐. Should be there with Arch and next ones should be Gentoo and LFS.
You don't choose the Void, the Void chooses you.
I seriously doubt any community out there gets as much comments as Linux Memes ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ. You just drop a pic and everyone is like "uuu, I gotta comment on that, can't resist ๐ฌ" ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ.
WTF man, I was just trying to make a funny comment ๐คฆ.
๐ here we all chipped in and got you this participation trophy.
Well, at least you're honest.