The Names of Thousands of Neo-Nazi Music Fans Just Got Leaked
Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkawyv/neo-nazi-music-site-names-leaked-midgardOpen linkView original on kbin.social1047
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In the Spirit of Musk‘s and other fascist‘s idea of free speech, here is the searchable database: https://midgard.antifa.se/register/
Oh wow it has room for social insurance numbers now that's what I call doxxing
Seems like it's being hugged to death at the moment.
They should offer a JSON download of the thing so it can spread far and wide and we all won't have to go on the website....
*JSON torrent, it ensures nobody is spreading modified/redacted copies, is hard to take down, and prevents a hug of death.
Someone share it on that shitty site. I would, but I don’t have an account. Let Lonnie’s town square do its job.
Dang. Already needs a mirror. Won't load after only a few hours.
Thank you.
I love that some of these idiots used their work email addresses. I wonder if Full Care landscaping out of Louisville, Kentucky cares that their VP of Operations is a neo-nazi?
Their customers might! Though it is Kentucky…
It might get them more customers.
“Show a swastika and enjoy 15% off your purchase.”
Go find out
Of course they do, why do you think they made him VP?
At least one danish politician used his parliament email address to purchase stuff from them.
Ha, good!
Too bad you can't see who downvoted you, too... Need that leaked, as well.
You can. Sort of.
Lemmy does not provide it via the UI. But it does provide the info via federation. If you set up your own instance, other instances will happily share this info with you. The information is inconvenient to access, but not hidden or private.
Well that's a terrifying prospect if you have any sort of opinion outside of the groupthink.
Wait till you figure out how much easier it is for the NSA Vaccum cleaner to spy on every single federated connection.
Hey fascist lurkers: fuck everything about your fascist ideology. Stop being slaves to your overlords and fucking learn a thing.
You can think for yourselves, I promise. It may be hard and uncomfortable at first, but you’ll like yourself a lot more if you just put in a small bit of effort. You’re better than this.
If you look at the modlog I thought it was visible there.
Hey, I just downvoted you.
Edit: Nevermind, getting a network error.
Edit: It will let me upvote you. Interesting.
Feature for me, bug for you... :)
Just shows what cowards Nazis are. Hide behind downvotes, never explain yourself.
Someday
In kbin.social you can see that
First thing I've ever heard about kbin.social that sounded like a positive to me.
Kbin also lets you follow specific users. The lemmy devs actively don't want lemmy to be able to do that and I don't understand why
Does it also let you disable anyone from following you as a user pref?
No.
Personally I like the UI better on mobile.
I'm pretty happy wit Voyager on iPhone. :)
I thought Voyager stopped updating?
Except the (1 reply) it cannot show for whatever reason.
Hello from kbin. It's nice over here.
What's the scoop on cookies over there? Not web cookies, but the yummy cookies full of sugar.
kbin.social is far and away less toxic than lemmy.world, probably because of the smaller community.
Only from kbin.social users for now.
Man, far right websites all seem to have shit infosec as a common thread along with racism and other assorted bigotry.
This is because all the infosec professionals are left-wing furries. We run the Internet. You cannot escape us, you cannot out-hack us.
meow meow
UwU
Thank you for your service. Do you take skritches for payment?
As soon as I finish my degree lol.
Good fluff🥰
Hmmm. I blocked the yiffit instance and yet this comment is not hidden...
Also not kink shaming but it was every other goddamn post on All
shows up as pawb instance for me
This is pawb.social, not all furries are pervs...
Did someone say SiegedSec?
Anti-intellectual people being incompetent? Say it ain't so!
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A smart racist is an oxymoron.
This includes their knowledge about security.
A smart racist would have to be stupid in such a specific kind of way that it would be like a zyzygy of all the stars in the sky aligning at the same time.
Syzygy - a roughly straight-line configuration of three or more celestial bodies in a gravitational system.
Thanks for the new word!
Syzygy... Are you sure that's not a polish soccer goalkeeper?
Pleasure! It's a really cool word
Exploit that and out then as the shit-stains they are.
I've blocked all the nazis trying to engage with me saying nazis aren't bad so I'll just say this in a TLC and block more nazis when they reply -
It's funny that all the people calling ME evil for not considering the nuances of various people's nazi ideology..... Are the same people who think women should die for wearing jeans, and that people should die for having a different religion, or die for not sharing a skin tone...
Nazis are nazis are nazis. If your world view was so different, spoilers, you wouldn't identify with nazis. 🤷
FUCK NAZIS.
Your right to not tolerate intolerance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
There are people siding with Nazis and reporting this post for doxxing, lol
So wild that this is a hot take these days
I like you!
I like you, buddy.
Make Nazis Windchimes Again.
Also, just to see if they have even the tiniest bit of plausible deniability, I checked out Midgard's shop. There's overtly white supremacist shit ALL OVER the place.
It's not like these people accidentally supported a band with reprehensible beliefs behind the scenes. It's not like a totally normal music shop turned out to be a front for white supremacists. There's note even any serious argument about "separating art from the artist." The leak includes what people bought, and you can tell when someone bought overtly white supremacist music. And even if they didn't, and the band or album name doesn't give anything away, what's it doing at the Nazi store? Why isn't it streaming, or on Bandcamp, or self-distributed? These customers still had to know there's an obscure Nazis music store, what it's called and where to find it, confirm that it's a Nazi store the moment they went there, and still give them money and their address to place a mail order. Oh, some of them aren't native English speakers? Then that just makes it even more damning that they did all this with a language barrier in place!
Plus, just look at the apologists in this thread. They're fucking cowards. They can't just come out with their beliefs, so they're just asking questions, deflecting from the topic. One is concern trolling for the fundamental humanity of literal Nazis, despite the fact that the main fucking problem with Nazis is that they considered marginalized groups subhuman. Where's the concern there? Why the focus on the people who oppose Nazis rather than the Nazis themselves? Another one could barely resist giving the game away by saying they've been called a Nazi before because of their anti-immigrant positions.
The people defending this shop and its customers aren't serious people. They're dishonest, cowardly, and stupid.
Check Talia Levin's book, Culture Warlords. She spent a year undercover online as a far-right personality and wrote about the encounters she experienced. It was a rough time, clearly. She's in the punch-a-nazi camp and reading her book landed me there at the end.
I would advise to call them Neo-Nazis instead of Nazis. Most Nazis are dead and Neo-Nazis are given too much distraction by giving them this easy excuse.
That's such a stupid fucking argument to nit pick it's almost absurd.
Nazis is as Nazis does. Adding a prefix changes nothing.
You're relativising Nazis this way and are also making it way too easy to not take you serious.
oh no, the fucking Nazis don't take us seriously, we're so screwed
-nobody
Says the dude downplaying titles.
Nazis are obviously bad, but this comment makes me think that anyone you don't like/like their comments/replies, you consider a Nazi?
I think people who defend nazis, their right to believe in nazi ideology, and argue that nazis are overall fine people are nazis or nazi apologists which are equally unwelcome in my circles and consciousness. Sorry, I'm not going to feel bad for hurting nazi feelings.
You can reply to this and "um actually" all you want about nazis, but if you're pro-nazi, I'm gonna block you. Easy peasy.
Gotta do my part and never block anybody so I can advocate for e.g. defederating nazinstances.
It ain’t much, but…
What a strange and leading question.
I'm confused by the whole comment line. Do I seem like I'm outraging, or have any strong opinions any way that needs to be clarified?
It's an irrelevant question leading into a off topic point that you'd like to make. If you'd like to deliver a point, go ahead and comment it. Not my job to try and land your point for you though.
Per Capita, in total, Per capita per year, or total per year? Each of these 4 types has a different answer, and the Nazis were higher in nearly every metric of slaughter.
The US is bad. The US has never been fully fascist, despite flirting with it. Nazi Germany was perhaps the most evil and oppressive country to ever exist in history, and certainly was for the 20th century.
What exactly is your point? Nazis are bad, but so is the US? I don't think too many people on Lemmy are fans of the US, but to insinuate that the Nazis are somehow more palatable by being compared to the US is absurd.
Even without defining those parameters, I also thought it was sort of strange to compare a political party vs country.
It's all strange. What's the point? "Hmmm, you think Nazis are bad? Have you considered that other countries are bad but significantly less bad? Checkmate!" It's just terminally online.
Oh yeah, at it's root, it was already bad.
I'm always interested in a decent discussion or thought experiment though, even if I completely disagree with the other person. 99% are so lazy nowadays it's not even interesting reading their copy/paste comments that have been recycled for the last decade
Odd to call it "winning," but the answer is "historical total." The US has murdered tens of millions more over its several hundred year history than Nazi Germany killed in the less than half a century it existed.
It isn't sanity to pretend that hundreds of years of brutal history are equally comparable to an extremely condensed period of the single most brutal country to exist in modern history. Nazism is far more evil than liberalism, even if liberalism is still inevitably evil.
I'll make it simple for you: Nazis are bad.
If you knew anything about what you were talking about you would already know.
Nazis love dehumanizing people
Go on and tell us how much better you are than a Nazi.
Nazi is a subclassification of humans, it actually does the opposite of dehumanizing by more thoroughly defining the human/humanity relationship.
But if me saying "fuck Nazis" gets you riled up so be it 🫡
If the bar for being a Nazi is merely killing people many of us would be Nazis. Personally I think nazihood has more to do with a wish to genocide (the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.).
You don't need money or power to be a deadbeat fucking Nazi.
You remind me of one of my friends who uses the word nazi so much it's basically lost all its weight
Imagine getting mad at someone saying Nazis are bad. I wouldn't be caught dead getting upset that someone was saying Nazis are bad, lmao
What annoys me is throwing the word around like it's nothing, dude calls pretty much anyone a nazi lol
For example, I was called a nazi for saying maybe Canada is taking too many immigrants at once
Depends entirely on the context. Framed like that? Probably not a Nazi, but I wouldn't dare make judgement without knowing what actually transpired.
Might be a hot take, but the idea that the word "Nazi" is thrown around like it's nothing is actually overblown, and usually it's correctly thrown.
Maybe my friends are dumb but the far left ones love using the word whenever possible
Usually the far left calls everyone a liberal, it's liberals that call conservatives Nazis. The far left usually calls actual fascists Nazis.
Yeah I'm economically far left but socially I lean a little further right, which has gotten me called a nazi before, which is ridiculous if you actually know me haha
You remind me of apologists who argue somebody can't be a nazi even though they spout the ideology and use the language, because they aren't on record saying "I heart Hitler" three times in a mirror.
I dunno someone called me a nazi recently at my university for wearing a burzum shirt for example lol
Word is definitely getting thrown around a lot these days
It's not coincidence, there's alot more nazis running around on some nazi shit. By the way in case you didn't know, while I don't recall it coming up in the music (I have a Burzum CD around here somewhere) but - Burzum/Varg was increasingly on some nazi/white nationalist shit, so it's not some "fuckin LiBrUlZ" conspiracy to call everybody a nazi, you were just wearing a shirt associated with nazi shit. 🤷
I know who varg is. It's impossible to listen to black metal and entirely avoid this kind of thing. I was wearing a hvis lyset tar oss shirt, there are no such themes on the album, and I bought the shirt way before varg went full nazi on YouTube (it's counterfeit anyway so he got nothing from me)
The only black metal I avoid are ones where nazi themes are explicitly in the lyrics
Do digging on the people behind any black metal band and you'll probably find something similar, it's extreme music made by extreme people
You're missing the point - you weren't called a nazi cause you were wearing a sccarryy black metal tee. You were called a nazi for wearing a nazi's tee.
Whatevs, you've made it abundantly clear that you're being intentionally obtuse in defense of nazis so I'm over it. Bye Felicia.
This is the kind of doxxing I can get behind.
I found another one by posting this to Facebook
"Just because you listen to them doesn't make you a neo nazi! Free speech is dead!"
- HitlerFan1488 with a roman statue avatar
There are legitimately people here arguing that just because you don't understand the language, you probably aren't a fascist for liking clearly fascist music that you have to work hard to find, especially if you don't natively speak the language.
Maybe they just vibe with hate and the fascist imagery is a comforting reminder of their favorite message boards? Just because the only music you listen too is made for Nazis doesn't make you a Nazi. You being a Nazi means you enjoy Nazi music. Not exactly causation but nearly a one to one correlation. I don't know what I meant by this. I started with a joke and now I'm just arguing logic semantics. This is a mess. I'm sorry, hitting post anyway though.
Hahaha, I gotchu. On an individual basis, it's totally possible that a Japanese person may genuinely stumble upon it and like it purely for the tunes. At an aggregate, it becomes increasingly obvious that there are tendencies that lead people out of traditionally popular Japanese music and into obscure northern European Nazi music.
Come back after you type "Finnish metal" into youtube search bar, find a pretty good melodic powermetal song. It's stuck in your head for days, so you download an entire album. You start to hum along as you listen, but it's not enough. You find the lyrics in a language you never have spoken before, so you learn it phonetically. You share your discovery with friends and family. It's fun AND educational! But that's not enough, you often wonder what it all means, so one day as you listen, you open a new tab, type in "Terasbetoni - Orjatar, translated lyrics" to find...
::: spoiler This
Slave woman
Hard was the work in the midst of woods, Wearing the axe and play on the shoulders, heart burning with desire, Yearning will make you go through the snow, Knowledge of what shall become keeps you strong!
Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!
There shall be battles in the fields of death. On stake is the life in disastrous times! Man with an ardor shall get what he deserves, So please and serve, or he shall punish you!
Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!
Slave woman! Come to me, And work your magic! Slave woman! Heed my words, For that is your law!
Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded! :::
Individually? Possible, totally. In aggregate? It's not a secret that Japan has an uncomfortably large fascist subculture. Putting 2 and 2 together as an aggregate makes sense.
Of course, I wouldn't go up and assume a random Japanese person listening to fascist northern European metal is necessarily a fascist, but if they also had the rising sun flag of Imperial Japan on their car, or hanging in their room? Absolutely.
Totally. The subtlety is, thankfully, not a virtue most fascists are known for.
Manowar had that one song titled 'Pleasure slave', if memory serves. No idea if it was a serious song or not. Those were some weird times for music.
And had the the best bands :)
Fuck nazis, but I have a friend who got into a lot of Russian techno artists because he watched livestreams of Russian women on OnlyFans playing that music during shows. He didn't find nazi music (to my knowledge), but he did have to invent a cover story for his Ukrainian wife for how he discovered the artists.
However, if you can recognize the iconography in the bands' merch and still listen, I don't care how lit the music sounds, fuck you for listening.
On an individual level, this is possible. At an aggregate? No.
First you just Luke the music, soon you're hanging out with other fans, and suddenly you discover one day that you have become a #nazi.
I was listening to a podcast that suggested the main reason the Nazis wanted to kill Jews is because they felt that the rise of Christianity, originating among the Jews, was what weakened the Roman Empire and caused it to crumble.
For their own empire, modeled along Roman lines, they didn't want the same thing to happen.
ehh.... I see a lot of 'the nazis were pagan not christian' apologism; their belt buckles say otherwise. the vast majorities were church going christians who had wildly varying records on which sects participated in persecution but overall none stepped up to stop the state's genocide, so like catholics, they can protest but I'm not convinced.
Hitler hated Christianity for its worship of meekness, weakness, a dead man, etc, but used it very well politically. Nazi leadership ranged from full on Christians to pagan weirdos. Jews were associated with Bolshevism, and their hard antibolshevim especially appealed to people who had emigrated to the Weimar Republic during the Russian revolution. Communism and unions were the first targets and how they wedged themselves in to power in the first place. Hitlers first major political victory was the concordat with the Roman Catholic church, promising freedom of religion. In the late 30s Catholic pulpits were ordered to recite a condemnation of Hitler for betraying the concordat. The Nazis implemented a Christian denomination and sent pastors and priests who didn't comply (many did of course) to the camps. One of these was the famous poet who wrote the "first they came" poem, at first a Hitler supporter who recanted when it was too late, like many of them.
They had all kinds of weird views about Aryans, a very fluid and subjective category in practice, and the history of Aryans. There were archeologists tasked with digging up the magnificent history of the Aryan race etc. Some people like Japanese were honorary Aryans etc. Down to weird specific traits of people based on the false premise of race being a real thing.
Replace Jewish people with like Templars or something and I'd read this trashy historical fiction
This was sort of my reaction after seeing this again while looking for something new on Lemmy:
Just because you listen to rap about drugs and murder doesn't mean you actually do drugs and murder. Nor does it necessarily mean the artist does, it could be their persona.
But I also know nothing of the band or their music, so idk whether anyone that listened to them would automatically be a hardcore Neo-Nazi or just an eccentric metalhead. Just like I don't know rap, so I myself can't pass judgement and it just feels weird to see others do so, I guess I can assume they are more informed than myself.
Maybe all of these people were just buying gifts for their neonazi friends and family
Midgard.antifa.se/register/
Have fun doxing your local Nazi
Scary. The one I found from my city is a medical doctor with a good reputation. Fucking Nazis hiding good.
Fucking yikes, imagine if that were your doctor
Just found six people in my city. Now how I’m spending my day now.
The one from my home town wound up in prison for 4th degree arson. Burned down his own house by accident.
Second guy I'm looking up has already been doxed by some racist-metal site bitching that he was selling pirated copies of their CDs on eBay.
Good to remember the enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend. Sometimes it’s best to sit back and enjoy their self destructive little happenings
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. Nothing more and nothing less.
What are the legal implications of doxxing a person here? I can think of a few people I'd like to slap on that list, but it doesn't seem risk free for me.
Fucking with nazis is never risk free, but not fucking with them is much riskier
I found two from my city. Kind of sickening to know that these creatures are in my vicinity
I found one a couple houses down the street. Thank fuck I'm moving already.
I searched, and surprisingly none within 50 miles of me.
Congratulations! This is only a directory of nazi punks and edgelord book clubs, really. Don’t get complacent, vote.
The Nazis poofing into inexistence as you vote:
Nazis and white supremacists get a footing in government because they organize and vote. If the general population gets complacent and doesn’t vote then nazis poof into seats of power and influence. So what are you trying to say here?
A few in my small city but can't find anything about them
Nazis deserve no rights.
So, you advocate against human rights? Denying rights and dehumanizing according to people's ideas is pretty nazi.
The paradox of tolerance is about absolute/unlimited tolerance. One can set limits on tolerance and respect the human rights of the intolerant, it's not mutually exclusive.
Btw, the combination of "X people don't deserve human rights" and "those who don't support taking rights away from X are equal to X" is especially atrocious.
I don't believe that extends to denying them their basic human rights, though.
That depends on how much of the social contract a group is willing to break.
We benefit from knowing just how far nazis are willing to go to further their beliefs. And their efforts should be resisted in kind.
If people break the law, we restrict their freedom. Many seem to oppose that idea nowadays, or at least claim to. There's a certain irony in that. But yes, if an individual breaks the social contract in a manner deemed "against the law", then certain rights are removed from them.
There's no paradox if you look at it as a social contract. If you don't uphold your part of the contract (tolerating others) then you aren't entitled to benefits from the contract (being tolerated by others).
The tolerance paradox is bullshit. Source: Daryl Davis, the black dude who converted a ton (like over 80) KKK members by just being a tolerant human to them.
You have to tolerate the person, not the message. You can say "you're a valid human being" and "the stuff that comes out of your mouth is actually terrible" at the same time. Doing anything else pushes all of those valid humans with bad ideas together and makes a big echo chamber.
He didn't say we should just say gas them to death (like they'd do to some of us in a heartbeat), he just pointed out they deserve no right to be aggressive against minorities.
I see no issue there. If they want to be decent citizens there's an easy solution to that; stop being a nazi.
Edit: I otherwise agree with your comment, as they probably need some deprogramming to actually achieve said solution.
"they'd do that to us in a heartbeat" is both wrong (not every person who entertains these ideas actually wants to kill anyone) and also not even a good point. If you want to improve the world noticeably, you have to be BETTER THAN not the same as. Go talk to a nazi, actually understand what they think and feel, and figure out where that disconnect is.
So you're saying for example a woman gets brought up in an environment where she's raised as a nazi you think that it'd be acceptable for someone to rape and beat her?
I don't really think you do, I'm not going to bother listing other examples but you get the point - what you're saying is not only absurd but it's clearly not what you actually believe.
All people are people, it's that simple and there's no more to it.
No, I was saying Nazis have a history of death and destruction, while people leaning towards democracy tend to be a little more gentle with their fellow man.
Nobody deserves to be beaten or raped and I certainly didn't imply that.
You literally said they should have no rights, I get that you hadn't thought about what you were saying but I really think it's important to think about the implications of things we say.
I'd link that clip everyone always uses about the law Vs satan but it's overused, surfice to sau dehumanising humans isn't a thing good people do - and yes I know it's popular to at the moment but when I was a kid everyone thought calling things gay as an insult was a great thing and we as a society grew from that so we can grow from this.
The first sentence you posted is exactly the thread that line of thought leads down. Disenfranchised people need to be talked to, met with empathy from the people they've been told are The Other. That's the only way to destigmatize the two from each other.
You did see the part where I agreed with you, right? I've worked with disenfranchised people myself. Some you can talk to, some not so much.
Either case their value as a human being doesn't change, it's just that their way of thinking doesn't exactly mesh well with an orderly society.
You are intelligent enough to know what the actual Nazis did to a lot of people, so why would their contemporary version behave any differently in the long run?
Ohhh yeah. I see where you’re confused.
Nazis aren’t people.
Music is an extremely important part of my life but there isn't a single band that would make me give money to neo-nazis.
I don't know why everyone is so eager to absolve them. If they have something to say in their defense, they can say it themselves.
Based and NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF-pilled
We just watched that movie the other day. I support his message, but man, dude's gotta pick his battles lol.
Movie? It's a classic hardcore punk song title.
Fucking nazi's taking Dead Kennedys satires as straight-faced and messing up the concert scene so they wrote this little song which left very little space for misunderstanding (even for nazi idiots).
I’m gonna guess he’s talking about Green Room, which is a very good movie.
But I was definitely quoting the Dead Kennedys lawl
Likely. Awesome movie. I remember calling it before they started playing.
I like folk music and industrial music. The overlap of the two seems to also have a disproportionate overlap of … what’s the best way to put it?… fascist-adjacent music. Imagery, themes, etc.
Am I a fascist? No.
Are the artists fascist? I don’t know,
Boyd RiceDouglas P/Death In June sure has had some controversies about him, but he’s not been banned from streaming services. But In some ways I don’t care, I don’t have the time to unpick every lyric, image and interview from the artists I listen to, to make a decision on their political views. I just like the music. Open a public playlist and listen.None of the music I listen to appears to be sold on Midgard. But does that mean they’re not fascist?
Probably no need to worry. I like folk and especially nordic folk music (as in Wardruna, not Bob Dylan), which is very obviously something a neo-nazi would also probably like, if only for the superficial themes at play. I used to feel a bit afraid I might accidentally like and support someone I wouldn’t want to, but I’ve come to learn that these shops like midgard, they don’t have those kinds of “normal” releases usually, since they as a shop are often also banned on distributors’ side, so they couldn’t even get them if they wanted. At least eventually that’d kick in, as people report the shop to the bands or labels.
The music and merch these shops sell are… very obviously neo-nazi. I recommend you take a look at the shop just to get an idea, though obviously a content warning is necessary here.
This is all to say that unless the music you listen to is very obviously racist or neo-nazi or otherwise explicitly problematic, I wouldn’t worry.
Of course I might myself be wrong here, but I’ve tried to keep up and stay up to date as to which bands I like could be or turn out problematic.
None have so far, at least as far as I’m aware.
They’d have to be very explicit. I think you’d know for sure, if that was the case.
I listen to a lot of music like wardruna, I simply love the mysticism and the atmosphere of history, magic and rawness, but all of the ones I listen to are actively and publicly denouncing their music being used or approbiated by neo-nazis or other far-right movements or groups.
I think a lot of people would make a lot of noise, if one of the more popular ones would refuse to publicly denounce that. Or otherwise dodged these questions. Some, like Wardruna, are very actively and explicitly fighting those forces and are in a sense “reclaiming” some of the themes and fascinations that nazis and neo-nazis used to have, especially in norse mythology and history and their themes.
I am no longer anxious about being associated with wrong music. I think it’ll be very obvious if a band or a brand otherwise, takes a dodgy stance or especially very explicitly supports those dangerous ideals.
Which is to say, I wouldn’t worry, unless the lyrics, branding and themes are very explicit in their meaning.
It’s not entirely clear cut.
Douglas P of Death in June (who I meant to reference in my original post) sells (sold?) Algiz Rune pins, and stickers of Totenkophs on rainbow backgrounds (but, he’s openly homosexual) as band merch.
Sol Invictus was formed by Tony Wakefield, who got kicked out of Death in June for being too right wing; and then he subsequently went on to create Above the Ruins for the National Front (interestingly, used to be banned but is back on Spotify), (but now regrets it).
Von Thronsthal use a logo very close to the Schwarze Sonne, and self-published under “Fasci-Nation Recordings”.
Both are on Spotify with no problems.
You don't need to be a fascist to make excuses for fascists, but it's bizarre that you read my comment about all the apologists the decided "he just hasn't heard my brilliant apologise yet".
You can drop the "it could happen to you" act because it almost certainly won't. For this site and those albums, "I just didn't have time to unpick what the lyric 'until every kike is dead' meant" isn't even a remotely plausible excuse.
Stop defending them.
No. There's no plausible deniability here. These bands' whole gimmick is that they're Nazis. It's not some catchy tune you randomly heard on the radio. There is nothing subtle about it. It's racist songs with racist lyrics. You would have to seek it out to listen to this garbage.
Well I don’t live in Japan so I’m not worried about that. Also, tons of Japanese people speak English.
Also, can we appreciate how desperate and nonsensical that entire argument was?
Okay, lots of them are Japanese. So... what about the ones that aren't? Why isn't that person concerned about the one who absolutely understand what it means?
And secondly... it's still a huge red flag that Japanese customers were going so far out of their way to buy extremely obscure music from racist bands from an overtly Nazi music seller. If an American specifically imported music from a Japanese shop only racists know or care about, covered in Axis power imagery, that'd still point towards being a huge racist.
That user is seriously turning themselves in knots to defend people who buy Nazi music from the Nazi store.
This might surprise you, but Japan has very close ties with fascism. Ever seen the Japanese flag with the rays coming from the center red sun? That's the flag of Imperial Japan, a fascist terror that scarred much of Asia. Japan refuses to denounce their war crimes, and there are an unfortunate number of reactionary fascists who use the flag of Imperial Japan as a symbol they support.
I'm absolutely not saying that every Japanese person is a fascist, not even close. I am, however, saying that I'm fairly confident that these particular Japanese fans are aware of the Nazi ideology of the bands they listen to, and listen precisely because of that.
You are defending the indefensible, would you give the benefit of the doubt to a p*do ring too? They are fucking Nazis, have been open about this for three decades they sell Nazi paraphernalia, they host Nazism bands. You accidentally listening to Celine Dion once doesn't compare.
People are indeed becoming unhinged with all this misplaced tolerance: fascists need to be dealt with straight away, we have so many examples in history about what happens when you hive them the benefit of the doubt. I can't believe this site's been up since the 90s.
A song with "suicidal lyrics" is not even remotely comparable to the albums this site sells, which is why they don't need a dedicated pro-suicide website to sell them on.
Would you rush to defend an album put out by ISIS, that pushed the agenda of ISIS, with all profits going to ISIS?
Then maybe you should explain your exhaustion to the group responsible for their overwhelming majority of mass shootings, who openly celebrate the killing of black and LGBT+ people, rather than someone you've decided isn't appropriately sad that neo-nazis got exposed for doing a thing they did.
I certainly wouldn't listen to Neo-Nazi music no matter how nice the tunes are, because I personally couldn't stand supporting literal fucking Nazis and listening to Nazi bullshit.
It's not like the Nazis are the only ones making music, there are countless good, leftist bands out there. There aren't slim pickings, there are oceans of good music out there.
Benefit of the doubt is a huge deal. It's entirely possible to enjoy music and have NO idea of the message, themes, content, etc. source: Pumped Up Kicks.
Edit to add: Iced Earth. Really fun power metal band. Loved a ton of their stuff, and then found out the bands lead was arrested at the jan. 6 riot. That stuff doesn't really bleed into their music, and I was avoiding them for a while because of it, but at the end of the day, the music is good, and that's why we listen to music.
Pumped Up Kicks is explicit satire, not an actual call for school shootings.
Let me ask this: what makes more sense, a random, specifically Japanese group of people, enjoys northern European Neo-Nazi music for the tunes? Or, perhaps, the fact that Japan has legitimate fascist movements, and historical ties to fascism without heavily denouncing them like Germany, means fascists are likely to search out more fascist music?
I understand your point, but it's incredibly hard to just randomly stumble upon fascist music and enjoy it for the vibes. This is a specific level of dedication in a country with higher than normal levels of support for fascism.
AFA Sweden stands för Antifascistiskt Aktion, or Antifascist Action. Not Stockholm based as they claim, there are many groups.
Great job in leaning Midgard, they also regularly doxx Swedish Nazis on their main website.
They noticed :)
Woot! Naming and shaming is great!
The only good nazi is a dead nazi. Gotta love how tech illiterate fascists are.
Shhh, Don't let them in on the secret.
And then when they came for you.. joking no one intolerant enough to come for someone else was left.
When they didn't come for neo-nazis, neo-nazis came for you.
I don't know shit about this band/this type of music... is it actually the kind of music that only Nazis would listen to?
Like, if someone leaked a Pantera fan list, I guess I wouldn't be on the wagon to ruin all their lives, even though Pantera is pretty well known for racism, shouting White Power and Nazi sautes n shit.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/jan/26/pantera-shows-cancelled-after-frontmans-nazi-salute-prompts-fan-backlash
if you didn't know about Pantera
Such a fucking shame learning about great music being made by terrible folks. Sooooo many rockers with controversy, be it racism, underage groupie fucking, or otherwise.
Thankfully there's no shortage of really talented people making awesome music these days. May need to dig around a bit, but my Spotify is an absolute labyrinth of more tunes than I can possibly get through. I've had to make annual playlists for every sub genre I'm into just to attempt to keep my archive manageable.
Yep. Lot of bands you'd like to support, to buy their music, later find out they are damn bigots, nazis, whatever asswipes you can find. Especially in the metal scene. Makes me sad
Extreme music is made by extreme people
This makes me incredibly sad.
Edit: seriously tho. I never wanted to believe the band members were racist or anything. The song Rise was always my go to to show people how inclusive they wanted to be. "Taught when we're young to hate one another, it's time to have a new reign of power. Make pride universal so no one gives in, turn out backs on those who oppose"
I always thought that song especially was saying "we must not hate one another. We must all be proud of who we are and turn our backs on those who continue to hate." I may need to do some deeper thinking about it all. I have not listened to them in many years. Dimebag dying legit hurt.
You think you have problems?!
I used to be a big Lostprophets fan... 😭
If you don't know about this one already, do yourself a favor and don't Google it.
Sounds like a call for googling
huge mistake
Phil Anselmo did a nazi salute. This made me sad. But the band didn't market themselves as nazis or write songs that praised nazism or overt racism. I wouldn't mind if someone knew that I own all their albums (except the one where they were apparently a hair band; I never saw that in stores when I was buying CDs). They didn't make nazi music, so I can defend it.
I won't send money their way because of the nazi salute. That I can also defend.
Oh yeah, I'm not trying to blame a fan base over the actions of a group/artist. I also don't know what type of music the original post is about. Maybe they do make music thats like "we are Nazis and so are you if you sre listening" and then I'd probably be understanding of consequences of being fans.
But that Nazi salute is definitely not the only documented racism by Pantera members, and I'm sure you know that.
That doesn't make their fans racist imo
The new No-Hire list just dropped.
Ha ha.
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So are they "Neo-Nazi music" fans or Neo-Nazis who are music fans?
I mean, lots of fascists seem to like RATM because they never thought about the lyrics. I don't know if that phenomenon goes both ways, but I'd imagine there's probably at least one Neo-Nazi song out there with a slappin bass line. It probably mostly sounds like bad metal or generic 90s grunge if I had to guess, though.
I think the crux of the issue is that these people bought and supported the nazi bands by buying products on the website which is clearly a nazi website with clear nazi symbolism being displayed.
I wouldn't blame a rando not knowing they're a nazi band but if that rando actively buys from a site that has nazi symbolism and isn't hiding what it is then I'm a lil sus you know. At least I wouldn't support that sort of stuff once I became aware of it.
They are Neo (from the Matrix) who are Nazi Music fans
Is one Nazi better than the other?
Oscar Schindler existed, so yes.
Yo if you're a nazi you've already accepted being a complete piece of shit so you can simply fuck off and die
Surely the rest of us can assist them
https://midgard.antifa.se/
I live in the larger city right next to the town/urban area where the Midgård company is located. I had only vaguely heard about them before and didn't know where they operated from. I found a disturbing amount of people living very close to me (geographically) that are in the register. I'll be sure to spread this and hope to get them to be known nazis by most people around here. Absolute filth... I haven't been able to go through the whole list yet, but I both really hope and really hope not to find someone I know on it. It would be nice to blow up the life of someone like this, but at the same time, it would suck to find out that it's someone you know. I'm very left leaning, and so are most people in my life, and in this country, my city and especially my part of the city in general, but it's of course impossible to really know stuff like this about everyone you come in contact with.
Going to follow this closely and really wish to see some nazi fucks get found out by others around them and have consequences rain down on their pathetic lives.
If you downvoted this comment, you're a fucking piece of shit. I hope your name is in this list or another and that you get found out and shamed.
Weird. Lots of purchasers in Japan. All have Japanese-looking names, but who knows if some of those are real.
Isn't Japan extremely socially conservative?
Some Asian countries also have a weird thing for Hitler.
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/southeast-asia-s-weird-fascination-hitler
Thanks for sharing. Also wtf.
In many ways yes. Japan has its own brand of racial superiority which is why I just found it a bit weird they're going for nazi shit. It could also just be that they heard and liked a song, but I kinda doubt that this is the case.
Japan is conservative in the sense that anyone that isn't Japanese can go get fucked. How many Japanese neo-nazis are also multilingual to understand the lyrics? This seems less like nazis in Japan and just people who found music they didn't hate.
I mean if someone in Japan wanted to look towards their right-leaning history, the Japanese Empire isn't too far away, and it aligned with Hitler.
Japan literally has rising fascist movements that want to bring back Imperial Japan, I think it's fair to say that they know what they're listening to.
I understand that Japan's youth displays a lot of Hitler and Nazi stuff. Not that they're Nazis or haters, they just think it's funny or something? Kinda like clueless American kids sporting Che Guevera shirts and posters?
Not really, it's also seen as a weird thing done by loners to them. One of the most famous animes in recent times, Overlord, features a WW2-based german character with manerisms and speech reminiscent of a SS officer. Every time they're on screen, the main character nearly dies of embarassment.
Ah! Maybe not Japan then. I was thinking of this link posted below:
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/southeast-asia-s-weird-fascination-hitler
Are there more lists like that?
See Unicorn Riot's torrent of internal data stolen from Patriot Front, fascists in the US. Hey, I'm sharing that download on a perpetual basis. I have a gig link uploading, so grab that fucking data.
Wait, I happen to have the link. Check this out!
https://unicornriot.ninja/2022/patriot-front-fascist-leak-exposes-nationwide-racist-campaigns/#bittorrent
Reminder, Lemmy Kilmister collected nazi memorabilia. It might not be as deep as you think. Half the time metal with neo nazi themes just sounds like a bunch of dinosaures yelling.
There's a difference between Motorhead, the Sex Pistols, and someone like Slayer who all used Nazi imagery to provoke in a problematic way and bands that claim to be part of the National Socialist Black Metal scene. I mean... I can't understand the lyrics on an Absurd record without the lyric sheet, but the giant blank sun in their artwork is a dead giveaway
Just searched "band absurd" and found artwork with a sonnenrad. Fuck Absurd.
Sorry, are you saying that Lemmy probably was into Nazis beyond collecting their stuff or that that's as far as his interests went?
No he wasn't, Gene Simmons even got into a big fight with him about it.
Is there any way to verify the claim or does it rest on AFA's credibility?
People have posted links to the database in this discussion.
I think they mean verify that it came from that site and isn't just a list of random people
Right
Fantastic news!
Fascistish news you mean!
lol
I love your username
How did the neonazi music shop get their customers SSNs?
Like ultra conservatives, most neonazis probably aren't real smart
Most likely its a payment plan for purchases. Klarna is a company where you can delay payment and such. They are a third party connection, so I believe a webshop will not know that is input on Klarnas end. But who knows how Midtgård does in their checkout process...
I didn't know neo-Nazi music was a thing. I've heard "Springtime for Hitler" but that was supposed to be parody.
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Why is do they never explain what makes it neo nazi.
Neo = new
Nazi = Nazi
So, they’re not the old nazis, but they’re still flying swastikas and preaching the destruction of “inferior races”
This whole thing is disgusting. Nazis suck. So do people calling for violence or removal of rights from literally any human. Buncha Nazis in here, just against a kind of person it's ok to be horrible to.
This is actually a philosophical problem. I think it's the parable of pacifism, if I remember right? Basically, the advocacy for total pacifism and acceptance of all groups doesn't work if one group is specifically advocating for the death of the others because then there's a net loss.
So yes. No nazis. Period.
It's called the "Paradox of Tolerance" if we are tolerant of all including the intolerant than intolerance will eventually win out and eliminate tolerance, therefore society should not tolerate the intolerant.
It's the paradox of tolerance and it's bullshit. Daryl Davis has converted more KKK members talking to them than anyone has with a fist.
Edit to add: killing Nazis doesn't defeat fascism. You can kill people with weapons, but words are the armaments of ideas. You want to kill an idea, it's through words.
World War 2 would like to disagree with you. Fist and guns are very effective at dealing with Nazis.
Oh snap, Nazis all died in ww2? Fuck why didn't these guys get the memo?
People died in the war. Some of them were Nazis. But NAZIS themselves did not die. You can't kill an IDEA by killing people. You kill an idea with better ideas, with kinder words, and with more compassion.
Kill all nazis. 🤷
The amount of nazi sympathizers in this thread is too damn high.
"we should have a polite chat with them as they work to genocide everyone they don't like" no thanks.
This thread IS full of a bunch of psychopaths, but it's not the ones advocating for not-violence.
By all means, if someone's already getting, or in imminent danger of becoming, violent, do what you have to to stop that. Anything else and you're a murderous psycho.
It's not about converting nazis. First off, I've heard that he supposedly has a 95% success rate and I'd call that bullshit for basically anyone claiming a 95% success rate. Secondly, fuck nazis. Once you throw in on murder of innocents you're no longer innocent.
"oh that's not very tolerant of you!" neither is your burning of crosses and donating your money to defend people who strung people up in trees 🤷
My? Careful, don't make such bold assumptions. Nazis suck, I'm with you on that. But do you actually not see the issues with what you said? Why are we assuming the individual has done something to hurt anyone, rather than just have some less-than-savory beliefs? It's all very convenient, using the sins of a few in a group you hate to blame the whole group, right? I'd hate it if anyone else decided they hated a group enough to wish every member dead because of some small populations shitty actions. It's a bit thought policey, and a lot fucking insane.
First off, I was very specific in my condemnations. Re-read my comment instead of using your reflexive pro-nazi mentality.
Second off, the nazis aren't a loose blanket grouping of ideologies. They had a specific mindset, with a specific goal. I'm willing to play with the idea that "boots on the ground" soldiers were just taking a paycheck, but anybody ideologically onboard was so specifically for one reason and one alone.
It's only "thought policey" in the way that you can be charged for having a murder vision board of your ex laid out with their movements and company all laid out for the perfect murder. No, you HAVEN'T committed a crime but all signs point to "You're gonna commit a crime."
TLDR: Fuck you if you don't want to get yoked up for being a nazi, don't put in with nazis. 🤷
It's a shit argument and it's ABSOLUTELY thought policing. You can't say someone will do something until there's been something done. It's just not how things work. Yes, that includes if they strongly believe that any specific group of people should be killed, for any reason, unless they've ACTUALLY KILLED A PERSON OR MADE AN ATTEMPT. Anything short of that? That's called thought policing bud.
Unless you're not talking modern-day Nazis. If you're just talking about the WW2 Nazis that actively rounded up Jews and didn't see any problems with it, well... Yeah, we went to war over that. It was one of the few good reasons for a conflict. That's dead and done.
Your entire argument is we're not allowed to so much as CRITICIZE a nazi until they commit a genocide, regardless of the fact that they already did that once.
Eat my whole ass, you murderous nazi piece of shit.