It's never been a better time to switch to Firefox
• Firefox offers better privacy and security than Chrome, with upcoming support for 200 new add-ons.
• While Chrome dominates, Firefox gains ground with user-friendly browsing experience and open-source model.
• Mozilla's focus on user privacy and transparency challenges Google's ad-centric approach, making Firefox a viable alternative.
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I'd like to formally apologize. I should have never left.
It's cool just come back and bring a friend with you.
Same here. I left for about 10 years but started coming back gradually a few years ago. After everything that happened this year, I made the full switch to Mozilla on all my devices. I'm very happy to be back though!
I tried chrome when it released. It was a neat curiosity, but I never found it to perform so much better than Firefox that I needed to switch.
Same, I deeply regret leaving. Mostly happened due to peer pressure in uni, where everybody was thinking google is cool, and you had to use a lot of google products for classwork. Now google has their tentacles attached all over my online life, and switching feels like preparing for a divorce. Though at least I’m not using Android anymore
you could've just degoogled your phone, if it's comatible with any custom ROMs. android itself is open source, but the preinstalled apps and services are not. that's where the spyware is. (we will never even know how much spyware is embedded in IOS, because it's closed source)
No expert at all, but isn't it the case that the phone is then somewhat marked as not trustworthy, making it impossible to use banking apps and such?
from what i understand, it's possible to re-lock the bootloader and use some kind of security patch to be able to do that. it's definetely possible.
unfortunately not all custom ROM are able to relock. You can off course use Magisk with Sygisk and then you can use your costum rom phone for bankig apps and google wallet. I am using one myself - https://lineageos.org/
You are forgiven. It's an adventure.
i feel like firefox used to suck
or did chrome used to not suck so much?
or was i a sucker for bandwagon and marketing
When Chrome came out it was fairly light on resource usage and speedy because of that. Firefox was a resource hog at this time. Chrome now is a show resource hog and Firefox is much peppier overall in my opinion.
Switch? I never left!
I deeply regret leaving.
Growing up, I used Firefox on PC, but switched to Chrome early 2010s due to using a lot of google products for university work, and the general “google is cool” vibe that surrounded me from peers (tech/business student).
Now after a decade, I’m deeply entrenched in Google with bookmarks, passwords and habits. Only progress I made is switching to iOS from Android. Installed Ff on mobile, but didn’t really like the experience, so not really using it.
Will probably try to make a stronger push to invest some time and switch completely during Xmas break, as it does bother me to be part of the problem, though I hate how convenient not doing anything about it is.
I had a similar history to you.
I finally decided a couple months back to start de-googling and did the following so far:
Well if you switched to iOS then there's not really much point as the browser backend is still the same as Safari there. Apple doesn't allow other browser engines so on iOS Firefox/Chrome/etc are all just wrappers on Apple's browser engine.
Apple is worse than Google in many ways and if you wanted to maintain control over your privacy (and even just de-google) you ironically would be better off staying on Android.
There are many great custom firmwares available for Android devices such as GrapheneOS which can truly de-google your device.
Apple might be the one company that is even worse than Google
Aren't all browsers on ios just Safari with a different skin?
Yes but using Firefox you get bookmarks and history synced.
To be fair, Chrome was vastly superior to Firefox for ages in the early 2010's
Porting your bookmarks back is easy. I had a similar experience except I switched back to Firefox in 2015.
If you use Firefox sync on PC and your phone, all your open tabs and bookmarks will be synced automatically.
I was in the exact same boat as you. Except I also switched because Bitdefender, the anti-virus I used at the time, was not playing nice with Firefox.
Earlier this year, like a few months ago, I decided to try and switch back. It was seamless. In like half an hour I had every bookmark, most passwords, and even some new extensions that have saved me a lot of work since. I recommend you try it and keep Chrome installed on the side in case you run into some problems, but I think after a few days you'll realize you don't need it for much.
(in my case it's still installed for when I inevitably remember that I forgot to transfer a random password that didn't automatically migrate)
"progress"
Exactly. I've been here since Netscape Navigator.
There are dozens of us!
Got here from iCab.
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Same! The extensions are just to damned useful!
Same. Literally been a user since version 1.
Was always really surprised everyone thought it was a great idea to jump ship to a browser made by the largest dataminer and internet ad company in the world. What's happening right now with Chrome and YouTube is entirely unsurprising. It was just a matter of time.
I did. Chrome updated plugins automatically, Firefox didn't. Also one bad tab didn't kill the whole browser.
Plugins are dead now, so I switched back. I've still had to kill FF in task manager, due to some weird PSN login bug.
Tree. Style. Tabs.
Best damned extension ever. It's amazing to me that all browsers don't have this style of tabs.
Thanks for the recommendation. I need to organize my 100+ tabs.
Tree Style Tab also lets you bookmark whole trees. I'm often jumping between different coding languages, or different areas of DevOps on a weekly basis, and tree bookmarks help. I can "file away" a bunch of research and load it all back later, and still have the tree! Very useful for context switching.
Have you tried tab session manager? I was planning on testing it to check if it provides additional value...
No I haven't, but I'm intrigued!
I have and it's great.
Also, unlike a lot of people I just delete vast swathes of my tabs from time to time.
Let's be honest, you didn't need it and I didn't need it.
But I'm still gad I can go back to a random tab from a week ago from a session I had closed out of
Tree style tabs on it's own just sounds like it would be enabling my tab-hoarding tendencies. But bookmarking entire trees of tabs is too good to pass up.
Though loading the saved tree do only from sidebar (ctrl+b). Loading from bookmarks window is bugged, undoes trees upon loading.
Use Vimium add-on and have a pop-up to search your open tab.
Or if you prefer no add-ons or don't know how to use Vim keybindings then type your search query in the search bar like this:
I'm not a fan of hoarding tabs, so with them being short lived I don't see benefits in having a tree. But I do use sidebery + custom userChrome.css to have exclusively vertical tabs, which save quite some space when collapsed.
If you work from home and you have go through a bunch of web resources, it's really nice. Most of the time you're opening new tabs, instead of being in the same tab. That way you still have the old web page for reference.
Specifically any job over the phone, it's almost mandatory. I love closing all the tabs at the end of the call, though.
Don't get me wrong, I work mostly from home and open thousands of tabs every day. But most don't last longer than a few minutes, and if the flat hierarchy is not able to handle them, that's a sign they should be cleaned up.
On the other hand, trees encourage tab hoarding, which I personally loathe, but people have different preferences.
Fair. For me, I'm actively working with the customer, and they can forget something at any moment, and you have to go back, so you have to keep them all open as reference, until the end of the call. You do "prune" them as you go along though. I swear, though: the second you close out that tab they'll have a question for that exact tab you just closed out. You also can't memorize things because they always change, you just have to get good at navigating the resources. Maybe that's a bit niche.
You can still group better.
Right?
The ability to drag them into specific trees to keep them organized, and the also Tab Renamer so the top tab is named sensibly and you can find other tabs
Most of my immediate team have switched to vertical tabs. It's frustrating seeing someone with a couple hundred horizontal tabs trying to figure where that important page was.
Edge does vertical tabs, but no nesting. Even that frees up a good amount of screen space.
It does one level of nesting with tab groups. Just drag one tab onto another to start.
Just wanna jump in here an md mention sideberry as an alternativ, does the same thing, but better imo and has tons of customisation options
Combine that with their multi-account containers and you got yourself a stew, honey!
internet explorer has a similar feature where tab background colors were different for each tree, though it doesn't have the tree view :p
I wish it was the default (or at least a built in option). It's a bit annoying to still have to use workarounds to remove the default tab bar.
I could never get used to tab managers like these IF the tabs are still shown in the top of Firefox.
Simple Tab Groups is something that I can get used to, because it works pretty similar as it does with Safari.
There's CSS you can apply that hide the tabs, but it's not a straightforward process to apply it.
I wonder if I could script it? Hmm. (I've written a developer environment setup script at work that I could add that to...)
It's this on Firefox Android?
Pretty sure, the whole sidebar concept doesn't exist on Firefox Android, so very likely no...
Unfortunately no, but honestly I can't imagine how it would work on such small and
horizontalvertical screen. Though I love that I can run uBO, Privacy Badger, TamperMonkey and CleanURLs.I mostly just want a tab grouping system like android chrome had.
I'm looking for this too, we need a sane way to organize tabs on mobile.
The pages window but with draggable, treeable, tabs/pages.
Just because Google broke the most trafficked site on the internet for Firefox doesn't mean its a bad browser. Hell that's a ringing endorsement.
Personally I'd rather stop using any Google services, than handing them a Chrome monopoly. Google is already way to dominant IMO.
I absolutely try to limit it. I use Qwant for search. I don't use gmail except to register Android. In android I don't use google services like calendar. I only use Google play for 1 app that is only available through Google play.
My biggest dependency is probably YouTube, which I must admit I use a lot.
Thanks, lots of options I wasn't aware of. 👍 😀
I am trying to slowly quit all Google services
I didn't notice they broke it. The website works on my Firefox as usual. Maybe you lack some plugins? (like ublock origin, sponsor block, age restriction bypass...)
I still don't see that they broke FF specifically, they're fighting back against adblockers, including the ones in browsers like brave.
They added a literal sleep(5000) to the javascript for youtube accessed via firefox.
Also, 3. That was meant to target ad blockers, not Firefox users
From what I've gathered from other threads, it's meant to target ad blockers, not Firefox users. It appears though that Firefox users ended up in the crossfire, while uBO can be rigged to block the
sleep()function in that case, nullifying the wait.which site is that? Google search page? it works fine for me in every browser I've ever tried it on.
The best time to switch to Firefox was 19 years ago when it first came into existence. The 2nd best time is now.
It was never a good time to switch to Chrome.
When it was released, Chrome was revolutionary. Sandboxing individual tabs into their own processes was a stroke of genius. Until then, if a single site ate up all your memory and crashed your browser, all your tabs/sites died and you had to start again.
It really was the best browser for a hot minute before others copied the idea.
Totally agree. I also knew this was Google's modus operandi. The early versions of their software can be amazing and they slowly monetize over time.
I never understood why so many people thought it was a good idea to hand Google the near monopoly power we had just prevented Microsoft in keeping. And that was AFTER we saw how bad it was that Microsoft had that power.
Too many people go for short term gain for way greater long term losses.
Chrome was much faster and more stable than Firefox for a time, but they're similar now.
This is my recollection, when chrome first came out it seemed significantly faster than IE and Firefox at the time, and Google was much less evil big brother at the time.
Back when it was only really known for Search.
So it's only feasible to prevent a monopoly now, because it's convenient? Disregarding the huge inconvenience a monopoly always result in!
Yes, but not because I didn't try. I tried Opera and Konqueror for a time and they had some serious rendering problems. Being on the Internet all day for work I kinda just need a browser that works. Firefox is that for me now, but it wasn't always up to the task.
That's because 99% of people don't care, exactly the same as with Microsoft. Average person will understand why monopoly is bad when there's only a single company that sells them gas and suddenly he has to pay $100 per gallon. With tech stuff they simply have no idea. It's not like they were using IE and thinking 'It would be so much better if this could pass Acid test'. With Chrome they don't think 'it would be nice if this could block youtube ads' and don't understand what Google controlling the internet really means. Even governments don't care about it for the same reasons we do. We don't like monopoly because of technology and standards. They don't like it because it slows down economy.
Google took a novel approach of trying to give people a free product that had value to them and features they wanted in a way that was easy to use. Such a product gave a better experience and only at the cost of someone looking over their shoulder, something that people have grown accustomed from their governments.
That's a huge misconception of what's going on. The consequences are way more far reaching, because Google is also a giant in other aspects. If it was only Chrome, it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
People really bought into that "don't be evil" clause they used to have, and I'm actually astounded they bothered removing it. It's not exactly legally binding, so why not just leave it there and do evil shit anyway?
I feel like it actually got worse after they removed it. Although the signs were beginning to show.
most people don't give af which browser they use. they trust the brand of google because the search engine was "the best" so they moved from firefox/edge over to chrome thanks to an advertising blitz and deals with vendors to put chrome on laptops, at the time was a better browser and much more stable since it silo'd tabs into processes (which is what almost all browser do now).
Many people that are not very tech minded, are very well aware that Google has become to big, and control and know to much. Yet they use Google services, because they are default, and they don't know how to change it or use alternatives. That's probably the case for about 90% of people, which is why defaults are so powerful.
The real idiots are those that know tech, but don't care.
I use Chrome for development purposes only. Dev tools in Chrome are much better still. Firefox dev tools used to be a complete mess, they are better now, but still not a match to Chrome.
But for everyday browsing it's Firefox for me.
I've been using Firefox on desktop and mobile exclusively for a number of years now. I will say the experience isn't perfect but it's better than using a browser made by a company that is actively hostile to its users.
It is important to take note that you will experience issues with some websites. For example, https://astro.build/ Try scrolling quickly up and down on this page on Firefox vs Chrome (on mobile).
What's wrong with that page? I'm not seeing anything in particular.
Same
Scrolling was a little jittery on both ff and Chrome for me, but the page has a lot of content on it, so I wouldn't expect it run silky smooth on everything.
I think because of the JS framework it's using is causing performance issues. Ironic because the website claims 98/100 performance score - the highest of all those that they tested. It works perfectly smoothly on Chrome for me. A simple page like that should not lag/hitch at all.
Massive lag on scrolling. Are you not seeing this? I'll record the screen in a minute.
It was a tiny bit jittery on the first scroll through the page but not very noticeable and it happened in both browsers anyway. That's about it. I'm on an Xperia 10 III.
video is uploaded here
sorry I wasn't sure where to upload the video running a pixel 7 pro it's hard to come across on video but it is there. hitching/jittery/lag on ff, perfectly smooth on chrome
i'm surprised by the comments, everyone has been having mixed results
It's completely fine for me on FF mobile.
Very strange! Everyone who has replied has had a different experience on this website. It's probably an issue with the website, not Firefox per se. It simply manifests on Firefox for me personally.
Video link doesn't work - have you tried testing with extensions disabled?
I wonder if they aren't using the "stop and look at image" - trick with css/js. So when you scroll you're supposed to center on the next image. Also stops the scrolling to center
Could be but I don't think so in this case. It seems (based on no evidence - purely feel) that there's some kind of event listener being triggered every time the page scrolls (whether this be touch/scroll event, visible contents, etc idk) and this event listener has different optimisation or performance characteristics depending on the device and rendering engine.
I'm scrolling an have absolutely no issues. Android 12 and Firefox 120.0b9 (Build #2015985090),
What refresh rate is your display running?
That's jittery. What's causing that?
I honestly have no idea of the root cause. Different users are reporting different things. It seems to manifest differently for everyone. At a high level I would say it's due to the use of a JavaScript framework as a purely static HTML/CSS only site should not be doing this.
exactly this..
i started out in firefox back in early 2000s.. then made the switch to chrome and never looked back..
im not the biggest google-groupie but for me to make the switch, google really had to f up in my eyes.. and they did
I see no difference between mobile chrome/Firefox?
A lot of people have been saying this, some have been saying it lags in chrome, and some have been saying it lags in firefox. I'm interested to know what device you have and perhaps what refresh rate your display runs?
60hz Android 11 Xiaomi
Not OP but one thing I am missing, especially in mobile, is grouping tabs.
Chrome auto groups your tabs, so if I open 5 Amazon links looking for something they are already sorted.
For some reason Firefox doesn't seem to get this feature
How do you turn that on? I can manually create tab groups but chrome never auto-groups tabs on my Mac at work
To be honest, I have not used this on desktop, but it's the default on mobile.
Random performance issues
Menu doesn't open in landscape mode
Tab overview page not working consistently - this one is hard to capture right now but what happens is when you have a large amount of tabs open (say over 30), when you hit the tab overview button it doesn't take you to the currently open tab in the list, instead it takes you to the very top. This is not the normal behaviour. If you open and close it a few times it will randomly work properly 1/10 times.
Sorry for not clarifying. I tried to on other comments but this is also a post about Firefox Android specifically so I sometimes left that part out.
Exclusively used chrome browser for ~10yrs. Switched to Firefox last week, cause google being evil.
I never left 😘
Personally I've never left Firefox. Used to develop on it when it was still called Mozilla, and I'm happy it's still around. Privacy is a major strength of it compared to other browsers.
Container tabs are hands down the best add-on I have ever used. Being able to use multiple accounts across tabs is fantastic. Alot of my colleagues have switched due to this alone
They are fantastic! Way better than having 6 seperate "browser profiles" open. 🙄
For sure, Aws sso containers is a bloody game changer
I have this extension and I always thought it's duty was to contain Amazon services from interacting with my other sites i.e., stop Amazon trackers. Can you explain to me more how to use container tabs?
Earlier, I tried Google Chrome's "profiles" but damn, how inconvenient they are. I ended up opening multiple windows.
Firefox, on the other hand, only uses a single window for multiple tab containers and accounts.
That's one reason I like Librewolf so much, it has containers by default
which add on do you use?
I use Facebook Container which isolates any webpage that connects with facebook from the rest of my tabs. It also has separate containers for things like work, shopping, etc you can optionally use for whatever.
It's very convenient to just open a "shopping" container tab to check my spam email address instead of opening a private window and needing to sign in each time.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/
When Firefox announced that a ton of their add-ons/extensions were coming to the mobile app, it got me to switch from chrome after almost 15 years.
The mobile experience of Firefox with ad block is so much better than Chrome. Using chrome on mobile makes the Internet feel broken to me. I can't go back.
Since version 120 is coming to mobile soon with about 200 extensions (as mentioned in the article), can anyone recommend some good extensions that are newly added? I have ublock origin, HD YouTube, Google search fixer, clear url fixer, dark reader, privacy badger, and ghostery
I think ghostery is owned by an ad company. I wouldn't trust it.
Seriously? I had no idea. That's kind of ironic if it is
Yeah, privacy badger and ghostery are no longer recommended, unlock origin will do their job (better).
What's wrong with Privacy Badger? Isn't that from EFF?
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not needed if FF blocks all 3rd party cookies outright. Privacy Badger was supposed to autodetect which 3rd party cookies were used to track you, there's no point if they're all blocked.
If you have sites that need 3rd party cookies to work please note you can add exceptions in FF settings. I've seen instructions telling people to disable tracking protection altogether in that case but that's a terrible idea.
Google rewrites links in Google search (not that you use it but maybe you do sometimes). So, if you want the links you click in Google search to not go through a Google referral URL and instead go to the link advertised in the search result, then Privacy Badger is useful for this purpose.
I'm surprised I haven't heard this before. Thanks! I will proceed to only use uBlock Origin from now on (although I really enjoy the auto-reject cookies)
uBlock can disable cookie popups, go to settings, filters and then scroll down to annoyances. Enable AdGuard Cookiebanners and Easylist Cookiebanners
Do I need to adjust any settings?
Try libredirect, it automatically redirects links from twitter, youtube, imgur and many other spying platforms to alternative privacy friendly frontends. It is also very customizable: you can turn only some redirects and configure what particular site to use for each platform.
Good suggestion! I haven't heard of this before and it seems like a great tool considering how much things have changed recently on these platforms
You've hit all the great ones, most of which were already available.
Have you added the bypass paywall clean filter list to ublock? Here's the url you can copy paste under "import" in the ublock addon settings: https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-clean-filters/-/raw/main/bpc-paywall-filter.txt
I haven't done this. Thank you so much for this suggestion!
You don't need Privacy Badger and Ghostery anymore if you turn the Enhanced Tracking Protection up to "strict" in settings.
Ghostery has been great for denying cookie pop-ups. I don't think this setting will replace this feature?
Edit...
Nevermind. I just read this comment which suggests uBlock Origin can also handle cookies!
https://lemmy.ml/comment/5981058
Oh even better! I would rather have settings in my browser instead of relying on extensions anyway. One of the many things I love about Firefox
If LibRedirect becomes available, then definitely that. Redirects links from at this point twenty different services to more privacy-friendly frontends
Thanks for the tip! That sounds like a great extension.
You can also drop ClearURLs filter. Better filters that are more up to date exists exists on uBlock like Adguard URL Tracking Protection and Actually Legitimate URL Shortener Tool.
I wasn't aware. It really seems like uBlock origin can do everything I had all those extra extensions for! Pretty impressive
Yes. It's really a powerful tool that helps to keep the Web tidy and sane.
What amazes me is how much of the web is practically unusable without it... And yet the majority of users don't have it
The best time was 15 years ago
Don't forget about the Firefox forks like LibreWolf!
Floorp.app!
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Their website is in Japanese but everything in the browser itself was English by default when I started using it!
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and waterfox!
and mullvad browser!
and "bolexforsoup already said mullvad an hour ago" browser!
I think you mean mull not mullvad :) Mullvad does not have a browser, the privacy hardened Firefox mobile fork available on F-Droid is actually called Mull and is not related to Mullvad in any way. It confused me too at first.
Mullvad actually does have a browser now but only on desktop
ah okay thank you for the correction!
+1 for Waterfox
Waterfox Elevator pitch?
Water is like cooler than fire, duuude.
waterfox.net
Kind of stunned anyone would want to use regular firefox. The default settings are so... adfulll and googly....
Librewolf, waterfox, floorp, zen, falkon, mullvad browser, pale moon.... A couple lf these aren't fox based but like....
Firefox became chrome lite several years ago. But maybe it looks nice compared to actual chrome?
How is this going to end?
Google blocks access to it's services for Firefox altogether? Maybe even ban it from the Play Store? That would finally give me a real incentive to install some CFW.
I use it on desktop and phone and honestly been pretty good no complaints.
Mull for Android is also a really good alternative to Firefox on Android.
how does duckduckgo compare to mull for android?
For people asking, add-ons work fine on Nightly.
I switched to Nightly because standard FF doesn't have the add-ons I want. I can confirm they work great.
It's always been a viable alternative. If the Internet was standard-compliant it would have been the best for a long time
Firefox is Awesome
How is it for mobile though? All of my web interaction is through my android
UBlock Origin mobile. Enough said.
uBlock Origin mobile with the EasyList annoyance cookie notices filter enabled. Never see an annoying cookie notice again.
This article is actually specifically about mobile! Yes it's great. :)
I like Firefox on Android, but my chief complaint is strange scrolling behavior and refresh rate issues.
I’ve used it very briefly and had no problems.
Honestly, the differences between browsers performance is almost nothing. I’ve been a long time Firefox user and only ever encountered a compatibility issue once, but that was on a 3rd world countries government webpage for a small neighborhood.
It was more likely that it was a bug.
ive switched to firefox for desktop windows for about 1 year now. Firefox is really capable and as swift as chrome. You also get a sense of less intrusiveness. Firefox also has the multi containers widget, though for me it breaks down after a while. The big difference now between firefox and chrome are things like automatic subtitles for anything running in chrome. So if a youtube or other video has no english subs, Chrome can do it. And soon, Chrome i going to go AI too. I'm not sure how firefox will survive that onslaught. I suspect mozilla will have a firefox fork partnering with a major competitor of google (eg: MS).
I’ll admit that those features are useful, but it’s not enough for me to switch to chrome and give Google more control over the web.
It’s like giving up the house to play with some toys.
Plus it's something extensions can do
Some websites are much worse than others. https://astro.build/ as an example. Try scrolling up and down on that website on Firefox vs Chrome (mobile).
The only difference I see is that Firefox allows me to scroll faster. What am I supposed to see?
it seems everyone has had completely different results! I've uploaded my experience here: video
for me if you look closely, ff hitches and lags on scroll while chrome scrolls perfectly smoothly
Excellent? It allows ublock origin so tjatsbautomaitxlsly a boost for performance.
I don't know what's more impressive, that terrible auto correct or that I can actually tell what you were going for there (hurray for context clues)
Autocorrect had no hand in that I'm afraid. That mess is all me. My keyboard usually handles that kind of thing pretty well. Multiple words even
By any chance do you use SwiftKey? I can string together multiple misspelled words and it almost always figures me out.
Nailed it! That's why I can't switch.
It was the distinct lack of autocorrect 😜 For years now I have disabled autocorrect for this reason. Yes, I still make some small mistakes here and there but it forces me to be careful with what I type and to quickly check before I send. That way I don't have a situation where I've typed something expecting autocorrect to save me but it doesn't.
It doesn't accurately recognize tap on input gestures on Android. It's super frustrating to paste text. Chrome has no problem here 😞
FF is great for mobile with the exception of PWAs. They abandoned support for web apps - they work but performance is terrible. It's a massively requested feature so hopefully they'll add support soon. I use a chromium browser (Vanadium) for web apps but have links open in FF.
Moved from Netscape to Firefox and never used IE or Chrome. I never understood the obsession with anything made by Google, glad its going to finally all fall apart for them.
Personally I prefer LibreWolf (Firefox fork)
I use Firefox Focus as my default browser, and use that to "open in" Firefox if I want my session kept for any reason, or Chrome if it's a Google related thing, sometimes.
For almost everything I click through especially out of an app, Firefox Focus is fully appropriate.
Had pentadactyl survived the infamous extension API change (or something like that, don't remember anymore) I would've never left FF. However, I finally made it back, thanks to tridactyl.
I want to switch to firefox but I haven't figured out how to do the custom searches that I have on Chrome.
Right now I can enter into the chrome bar, for example:
s (space) Birds of Paradise (enter)which will translate into https://scryfall.com/search?q=birds%20of%20paradise&unique=cards&as=grid&order=nameI know I can right click on a given search and "add Keyword for this search" but that doesn't allow me to do custom URLs (e.g.
www.reddit.comm/r/%sto go directly to a subreddit, rather than search).edit: thank you so much everyone for these responses. I'm gonna make the switch :)
I never stopped. since it was Phoenix.
but really since noscript. i used and abused that add on for more than a decade. coming up on 2. never found anything better.
focus is also used on mobile.
Switched back in the summer for good. Use Firefox in my android as the default browser with DuckDuckGo as search engine. The issue is still relying on the android digital hemisphere as the default OS for my phone.
Edit : The only thing lacking is tab management. I know there is an extension. But it doesn't satisfy.
Oh god turn off all that crap in the settings.
For some reason I can't get my Firefox app to actually activate dark mode on my phone. I switch it in the settings and refresh it but it just won't work so I keep using chrome. Any ideas?
Mozilla Foundation fronts Mozilla Corporation which is for-profit and brings in nearly a Billion in revenue.
Don't donate, do harden it.
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That's just us with our super fun kbin shenans! It's a Firefox logo everywhere else.
Edit: It's a pic of some food for us on kbin.
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess how’d ya do that
Do what? O.o
The thing with the image
I didn't do anything. It's just something that happens on kbin. Unless you mean seeing the intended image, in which case I use the "open original url" thing under "more" on the original post.
If only I could get MS Teams to work in it 😭
I use the web version.
What do you mean? When I visit the web version, it just continually reloads and says I should try logging out.
It works for me, so you probably have some cookie plugin that blocks something, I would assume... It really works well for me.
One big positive for me on Chrome is that I have an Android phone, so a lot of my activity on my phone and computer sync together. How is Firefox with this, if I were to use it both on my desktop and phone?
The only issue with Librewolf is that it fails at rendering some websites. For example windy.tv
Brave seems extremely shady. Every time I read something new about that company, it just paints a worse picture of them.
Most recently, this: https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai-training/
It's actually much better. At least, it isn't from corrupt Mozilla Corp.
Also, be prepared for an heavy downvote rain.
Anyone who tried it a year ago, this comment is to tell you that Firefox has improved by orders of magnitude in the past year/years. I recommend trying it again.
PWAs ?
This extension does a decent job.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/pwas-for-firefox/
But yeah it would be nice for Firefox to support PWAs natively.
Thanks. I must still try it in Zen Browser
Moving to Safari for main browser, Firefox for backup. No more chromium engines for me.
120.0 (64-bit) just updated ff. still use chrome borg 1/2 time
I'm using jerboa, and any links open in a firefox webview, with an option to (ninstantly, without reloading) opening the page in the firefox app directly
That might be a Custom Tab.
To me its currently the opposite.
I use Firefox for personal use, but I exclusively use Chromium for work just because of the amazing Tab Groups feature. I can't work without it anymore
Well on your personal Firefox try Simple Tab Groups and Tree Style Tabs.
I can't use chrome because it doesn't have these extensions.
If you're recommending these, then I don't think you've tried chrome's tab groups. These two extensions are awful compared to it
But thanks for suggesting
I used to use chrome's tab groups, they were definitely helpful. Until I wanted to organize things. Tab Groups lacks a lot of the features of the extensions I'm suggesting. I spent lots of time looking for feature rich options in Chrome before ultimately switching to Firefox because it was simply better.
Chrome's session/history manager also isn't great, so if I had multiple windows open I had to be careful about how I closed them, otherwise I could easily lose a lot of my tabs. This also wasn't possible with forced shutdowns.
I see
I'll give them another chance then, maybe I wasn't thorough enough when I tested them 1-2 years ago.
Thanks!
ever heard about browser extensions?
Trust me I've looked at all of them, they're just bad compared to chromium's integration.
Wow tell me more about it!
Wow!
If you want the chrome experience in Firefox download a variant called Waterfox.
I've been using waterfox for years now I can't be half here.
I would love to switch to Firefox, but Chrome has a much better profiles management and I use it a lot!
I might be in the very minority crowd here, but I just can't get used to Firefox. I mean once upon a time I was clinging to Netscape screaming foul at Internet Explorer too, old habits die hard. But Chrome just clicks for me, whereas the multiple times I've tried Firefox, it just doesn't click for me. Can't put my finger on it.
Firefox kind of sucks in android though and there are no good forks imo, but this is also true for chromium so idk what to do.
I love firefox so much, but at times, I also am ready to ditch it. Some default configurations are just nothing but stupid. E.g.: all ports above 1024 are by default blocked, even with local domains in your LAN. Or, just happened today: ftp is generally blocked. I then had to switch to Chromium to get a file. Or: if on Linux, many video codecs are not by default bundled. Reasons like that make me hate Firefox. But I hate everything else a bit more.
So is there a browser based on Firefox but without strict configs?
That's really strange, I haven't encountered either of those problems. The latter you can blame your distro for. If Firefox was bundled with all of the codecs it would be really big for no reason, and it would be redundant on nearly every system.
Kinda agree, sure it is also a distro issue. Chromium-like browsers worked out of the box, though. In the end, the user should not really experience easy-to-fix problems like „I can‘t watch any Twitch streams“, and I‘m not really on a uncommon distro (OpenSUSE Tumbleweed).
Edit: About the blocked ports, check the following variable in your about:config
network.security.ports.banned.override
This one needs to be set, if you would like to use ports, such as 8080.
I recommend that you can play to the OpenSUSE forums.
Neither
network.security.ports.bannednornetwork.security.ports.banned.overrideare defined by default in Firefox so I suspect the distro set them for you. Same for FTP. And I've never had any issues playing Twitch streams.Generally curious how that would work. So how/why should a distro do that?
The port issue is a common one if you google it and I even had it in windows. The variable is empty because you set the exceptions there. No value = all ports are blocked.
I don't know why distro maintainers do what they do, but they can use policies or autoconfig to set non-standard default values. It's commonly used to set the distro homepage as the default page when you open Firefox but I guess some distros take that a bit further.
As you can see from some of the other replies many of us don't have those config options by default, and according to the Mozilla Knowledge Base these options are not set by default in Firefox: "This preference does not exist by default."
Thanks for elaborating, this is really much appreciated.
I don't know why distro maintainers do what they do, but they can use policies or autoconfig to set non-standard default values. It's commonly used to set the distro homepage as the default page when you open Firefox but I guess some distros take that a bit further.
As you can see from some of the other replies many of us don't have those config options by default, and according to the Mozilla Knowledge Base these options are not set by default in Firefox: "This preference does not exist by default."
Not on localhost at least no it isn't.
And why the hell would you be using ftp in currentyear. Newsflash: They also ditched gopher.
Never came across a video on the modern web that firefox couldn't play. Everything post-flash should really be fine.
What actually annoys me about all browsers are the policies around loading certain stuff from
file://. Try getting something wasm to run without serving the thing from a web server or, *shudder*, base64-encoding bitcode into html. I understand there's some valid gripes around ../ and softlinks and whatnot but, wait, hear me out: What about zipping everything up and calling it a webapp, treat the file as a domain.Oh it was never my intention to use it, but I was playing a bit with OpenAL and HRTF and ended up on a webpage that actually was using FTP to provide some audio files. So I kinda had no other choice.
The video thing is actually a known issue, but might be due to OpenSUSE not providing codecs by default. I still wonder why Chromium was working, though.
No. This whole push feels astroturfed.
It's getting more and more like chrome.
Also built in spyware and a LOT of snitching to a 3rd party analytics company that can be disable in flags.
If you're serious about privacy use LibreWolf or Ungoogled Chromium if you're reasons that required the Chromium dev tools.
It's still there, it's just off by default since people rarely use it these days.
Go to Customize Firefox controls, buttons and toolbars. Pick the Home button or whatever else you want on the toolbar, and just drag it up there. Some items might be in the overflow menu on the right.
What's the use case for a home button? Why not just set the default url for new tabs?
I guess, it's so you can make your current tab navigate to the home-page rather than closing the tab and opening a new one...
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-to-set-the-home-page
Damn, you sure are mad for being correct
I can't comprehend how someone can be able to self host something but not able to find literally the first configurable option on the "home" settings page.
This is one of the reasons I still use Chromium primarily. Firefox fanatics are just too much like cult members. You can point out real issues to them, like that Firefox was slow to implement hardware-accelerated video decoding on Linux, or that Firefox also enables a bunch of telemetry by default... but half of their identity is based on using Firefox, so they take it personally. I'd love to have a technical discussion with some of these Firefox cultists, but to be honest most of them will just resort to ad-hominem attacks because that is the only argument they have.
It's time to go to bed grandpa.
You can literally customise it to show the home button. I know because I have done this.
Ah I see what you mean. Yeah I even had a quick look at the beta version where you are able to access the about:config and I couldn't find an obvious config setting for this either. Firefox on mobile definitely isn't perfect and especially if you have a specific use case. Just a suggestion that may be an alternative for you: if you press settings then add to home screen, does that hone screen shortcut work for you?
Yeah I understand. For something you use so actively you want it to be as seamless as possible. Maybe have another look at the "install to home screen" option though! I think you can do it on Chrome too btw. But I believe it should actually open as a seperate "app" on your phone.
So instead of having 1 browser app that contains whatever you're browsing + your dashboard, you could have 1 app for browsing + 1 "app" for your dashboard. It would allow you to even close down your browsing while always having an open dashboard. Maybe it doesn't fit your flow but it seems like an option worth considering if you haven't already.