It actually is the best for displaying all-number dates to people as well because no one in their right mind will ever do yyyy-dd-mm.
So if you see the year first, you know the format. When the year is last and you see a date like 03-02-2023, you have to take into account the nationality of the author to know if it's March 2nd or February 3rd.
But 2023-02-03 it becomes clear that it's February 3rd.
I actually agree that the metric system has nice round numbers, but this graphic is a hilarious rebuttal to the first one that just draws pictures to make their preferred system look like it fits into the pretty pictures.
But in all honesty, this is almost like being inside a Canadian's brain. I have to translate back and forth at work all the time, and even cooking involves converting things back and forth. I have no idea how many drams to a gallon, so I'll convert ounces to mL, then scale as necessary, and then convert back to US customary because the measuring cups and spoons are labelled in American.
Same, as a Canadian I wish we just had everything in metric instead of 70% of things. If systems of units were money, metric would be paying with dollars and cents, while imperial is paying with sheep and bars of gold.
I also hate that we are loosey goosey with date formats. What day is 07/08/23??? I hate that the US uses MM/DD/YY format but at least they are consistent about it.
It's like we're in a weird limbo between the two. Metric for distance, except height which is in feet and inches. Grams for weight, except for human weight it's pounds (or sometimes not). Celsius for temperatures, but ovens use farenheight. Just pick one goddammit!
I've actually done this a a lot for work needing to work out operating weights of mechanical equipment and checking existing structures for capacity etc. American equipment with all imperial info and Canadian building design. It's easy to convert, but still annoying.
Measuring cups and spoons is probably my worst international pet peeve. I do not understand why please? Why not measure with a scale like every sane being?
I may be in the minority but I tend to say "Fourth of July" to refer to the holiday but "July fourth" to refer to the date when not referencing the holiday.
Northern Mexico here. 0 C is literally freezing cold. I would be so bundled up in jackets. We got up to about 44 C today, though, to be fair. I imagine you would be oppositely uncomfortable in that.
Swede in Oaxaca att the moment. 0 C we would put on a jacket, but something that is often missed is that we later go in and warm up.
Many Mexican houses are not built to keep the cold out. I spent a couple of winter weeks in Toluca a few years ago and the nights was freaking cold. The concrete walls store the cold as ice blocks and there's no heaters or radiators.
I have always hated this argument. If that were the case, then 50 would be the most comfortable temperature and it's not. This scale is about 20 degrees off since most everybody prefers a temperature of about 70 F.
That makes the assumption that comfortable is at the center of weather patterns (which is what fahrenheit was made to describe), and there's no real reason that that would be the case. The average temperature worldwide is in the 50's, not in the 70's. Likewise, 0° F is more similar frequency to 100° F than it is to 140° F, which tends to be an extreme only for the hottest places on earth. 50°-ish is the center of the temperature scale, it's just that most people prefer temperatures that are abnormally warm
But that's the same argument that people use against Celsius: "the freezing and boiling points of water is an arbitrary scale, I prefer Fahrenheit because it's more human centric" (Even though it's not). What you're saying is equally as arbitrary, the average temperatures of the planet as a whole is still not a human centric frame of reference.
Our thermostats haven't. I really don't understand it - it can't possibly be more expensive to make, the cheapest of parts can give you better than tenths of a degree, just give us half degrees and we wouldn't even need another button.
Half of them use touch screens anyways! How are you going to give us WiFi on them while making them less adjustable than a 55 year old analog one?? I can set the freaking background and send messages to them from the other side of the world, but there's not even a hidden option for fine adjustment.
Having thermostats with sub-degree values actually doesn't make a lot of sense since the temperature within a room fluctuates by a few degrees between the hottest and the coldest spot. Hence setting target temperatures with higher accuracy is as accurate as measuring micron-accurate distances by eye.
"Yeah, I can totally see that this is 2154 microns long. I can see that from across the room!"
US date/time is actually closer to the ideal notation if you consider that for the majority of date references you don't need the year, so July 4th at 12:45:59 actually makes sense and denotes time from most to least significant digit. If you just shift the year to the front, you have an ideal naming convention and no confusion in identifying month and day.
In European, the date goes from least significant to most significant digits for the year and most to least significant for the time. For all the valid arguments on the side of the metric system vs imperial, if you ever want to shut the argument down for date formatting just ask why they don't keep the same format for date as they do for time, say 59:45:12 4/7/2023? For consistency that is how they should write 59 seconds after 45 minutes after the 12th hour of the 4th day of the 7th month of the year 2023.
In European, the date goes from least significant to most significant digits for the year and most to least significant for the time
This isn't true, the most and least significant parts of a date and time vary dramatically depending on context, and required specificity.
In day to day conversation, the day is the most important, to the extent that people often won't use the date at all but the day of the week, "we're doing X on wednesday evening", etc. The year is a given, and the month doesn't matter because it's either the same, or the next one because tomorrow is the 1st or whatever.
If you're talking about gardening or something broadly seasonal, month is the most important. It doesn't matter if you plant the seeds on the 10th or the 20th, but it should be during February. And obviously years matter when you're talking about things that happened a while ago, and decades if it's a long time, centuries for longer, etc etc.
Having a format that consistently increases, or decreases, specificity over it's length makes sense. Having one that muddles it up is very weird.
Well we agree on the last sentence anyway, but that also illustrates why both D/M/Y and M/D/Y are bad choices.... Because in the cases where you need the year, it means it figures in somehow and you're putting it last.
If the day is the most important, you just say 'the 15th' or 'Wednesday' or whatever. If the month is important, you can say 'May 15th' or the 15th of May (or, I guess 15 May?). But in the US we literally write like that. If the date is all you need, you say the date, if the month is important you give that info first (since if there is going to be confusion over the month, that's more important) so we say the month, then the date. IF we'd gone further and continued that path and actually wrote it YMD, we would have definitely won the high ground and settled our way as better, but because we decided the year could go at the end, we muddied things up and arguable came in second place...but we came in second place to an almost equally dumb, but one step more consistent, format.
DMY:HMS is still really dumb. Just that MDY:HMS is one step dumber.
just ask why they don't keep the same format for date as they do for time, say 59:45:12 4/7/2023? For consistency that is how they should write 59 seconds after 45 minutes after the 12th hour of the 4th day of the 7th month of the year 2023.
By that logic, that time should be written as 45:59:12 in Imperial.
:) fair point...I do admit that MDY is dumb, my only real argument is that MD makes more sense, and that is what is used in the US. The fact that our next step is MDY instead of YMD loses all the credibility, and Minute:Second:Hour is a funny and well deserved mockery of that.
I'm happy with metric generally speaking - except for Celsius when talking about ambient temperature. I will die on that hill. Freezing/boiling point of water is a ridiculous point of reference for temperature as experienced by humans.
Fahrenheit: 0 = really cold; 100 = really hot
Celsius: -17.778 = really cold; 38.333 = really hot
Not to mention that the Celsius grading is too big requiring use of tenths when discussing weather and setting a thermostat...
What? I have never ever had a discussion in my life about tenths of celsius when discussing weather or thermostat. Nobody does that. The units are small enough to be used in majors.
Freezing is excellent point of reference when you think about what effects it has on our lives. When water freezes, roads get frozen. When water freezes, pipes might blow up. When temperature reaches 0 Fahrenheit, nothing happens. Everything is same as 1 fahrenheit, or -1 fahrenheit. Nothing has changed, it is completely arbitrary.
70% of what?! What I consider hot, living in the north of England, is very different to what someone in Spain, or Nigeria, would consider hot.
Temperature isn't volume, no one can conceptualise a 70% reduction in temperature because it's literally not how any one, nor any scale other than Kelvin, considers it.
You can't, like, grab heat and go "oh yea, there's less here".
Temperature above 100 F enter dangerous zones just like below 0 enter dangerous zones.
Except that's not true, the deadly zones start earlier than that.
A heat-period is defined as day(s) on which a Level 3 Heat Health Alert is issued and/or day(s) when the mean Central England Temperature is greater than 20°C; between June and August 2022, there were five heat-periods that met this criterion.
While the report does make it clear that these were already vulnerable people who were already expected to die soon - within weeks or maybe months - it was the heatwave that pushed them over the edge.
In the UK, with our brick houses built to absorb and retain heat, and absence of AC, average temps above 20C/68F do kill.
Similarly, it's reported that two thirds of the deaths in the 2021 Texas storm were due to hypothemia, in a state where houses are also built to shed heat. For the majority of the state, as seen in the article below, the temps were negative C but above 0F. I also think it's fair to suggest a good many of these people were likely already vulnerable.
I absolutely agree that 0F and below temps are even colder, and even more deadly, but to suggest that is where it starts to be deadly is wrong.
Ultimately how humans experience and deal with tempurature has nothing to do with the scale we use to measure it, but what it is compared to what we are used to and how prepared we are to protect ourself against being "too hot" or "too cold". It's pretty much a perfect example of subjectivity.
If you prefer to use F than C, or K, or any other method, then go for it. But to try and argue that either method is inheriantly better or superior based solely on subjectivity is a fools errand.
Everything in metric is defined around distilled fresh water. The temp scales between 0-100 for solid/ice and gas/stream, and because water is almost incompressible then weight, quantity and volume all interact as well (1kg of water = 1 litre, 1 metre^3 = 1000kg = 1000litres).
Is that easier? I bake a lot, so not having to measure volume for water and instead being able to use weight as a 1:1 conversion sure makes easier when hydrating mixtures - but my oven being at 200C or ~400F makes no practical difference. Again it's just what we're used to.
That said, and I get why they were invented, but using cups, and thus volume, for compressible ingredients like flour honestly makes no sense. But now we're wildly off topic.
But hot and cold is relative. It's largely up to experience to have a feel for temperature. Eg, what temperature do you need a jacket in? In Celsius, around zero is jacket weather. What's room temperature? It's a pretty arbitrary 20ish C vs 70ish F either way.
I could just as easily say Celsius has nifty ten degree bands for weather. 0 to 10 is chilly fall weather. 10 to 20 is nice late spring weather. 20 to 30 is summer weather. 30 to 40 are the hottest summer days. 0 to -10 is mild winter. -10 to -20 are the cold winter days. -20 to -30 are the coldest days in a place like Toronto.
For outside weather, I've never seen anyone use tenths. Thermostats (for inside) in Celsius usually use half degree granularity.
Thermostats (for inside) in Celsius usually use half degree granularity.
I find it is hit or miss if a thermostat gives 0.5C or 1C for granularity. Even when the do have half degree increments I always just use whole degrees.
I generally agree with you, but I guess how you experience these depends on where you live and what you're used to. For me, it would be something like:
30 to 40C: really hot summer noons
20 to 30C: nicest range overall. Summer nights and autumn/spring days.
15 to 20C: comfortable if you move around, working, doing sports etc
10 to 15C: starting to get cold. Need jacket
0 to 10C: winter cold
-10 to 0C: my balls are freezing
-20 to -10C: once or twice in a lifetime. Not going out at all until it gets warmer.
See, the problem with the Fahrenheit = percentage thing is that it DOES NOT WORK. how I am supposed to know how 50% of "very hot" feels like. ig it's something """neutral""". Oh wait it's 10°C, i need warmer clothing. You need to get used to a temperature measurement, however logical you think it is. Tenths are a non-issue.
It's really hot for a human way before 100°F, it's becoming uncomfortable when it's more than 77°F (or 25°C for most humans. The "100 really hot" part is not really a benefit for anyone.
Also the point when water freezes is pretty important in the winter. You can see immediately that you have to drive carefully when the temperature is close to 0°C. So I think 0° freezing makes the most sense.
However: Temperature of boiling water is useless, that's true.
Sorry these arguments about the superiority or otherwise of a unit of measurement are just silly.
It is 100% related to what you grew up with and are familiar with.
No one who grew up with Celsius has any issue discussing weather or adjusting thermostats and the only people who struggle would be people who didnt grow up with it.
Celsius: -17.778 = really cold; 38.333 = really hot
That looks silly because it's completely arbitrary, set to what you are used to. There is no universal "human experience". Where I'm from temperature typically ranges from -30 c to +30 c, which seems pretty nice and balanced compared to imperial's -22 f to 86 c which looks silly now, doesn't it?
Wow! I came here to tell about the time I had a discussion with an American about exactly this. And your arguments where the same as hers.
I guess it simply is about what you are used to. For me Celsius is just fine and an accurate enough measurement. I know that I like my shower water to be exactly 37,3° C (98,6°F). And I can adjust my AC with decimals as well. But for the weather forcast: nobody cares if it's 27,2° or 27,7° C (81° or 82°). The forecast isn't as accurate anyway. So noone is talking in decimals when discussing weather.
Also: 32F (0 C) is still literally freezing cold! And even your "halfway" mark of 50F (10C) is still cold in my books.
There will always and forever be arguments about it and it all comes down to this:
What ever you grew up with you are intuitive with and probably like it better.
Celsius is subjectively more logical and Fahrenheit seems to "feel" more right for some.
Because of that the scale of Fahrenheit was different above the Freezing point of water and below, requiring to redefine the temperature at the reference points multiple times (and not by an insignificant amount)
The original definition of Celsius (centigrade) was reversed with 100 being the freezing point of water and 0 being the boiling point. I'd say a "non-insignificant" change.
If the date format is not YYYY-MM-DD it can fuck right off.
ISO 8601. Unironically the only ISO number I also remember.
I also remember as PHP programming language still won't do it with this function: DateTimeInterface::ISO8601 DATE_ISO8601 https://www.php.net/manual/en/class.datetimeinterface.php#datetime.constants.iso8601
You need the DateTimeInterface::ISO8601_EXPANDED which can actually accept non compliant strings too.
PHP - wherever you see an intuitive solution it's wrong or has important caveats.
Long live I-SO! I-SO! I-SO!
My favorite thing about this date format is using it in file names. Sorting the files by name also sorts them by date.
Meeting notes 2023-06-29.txt Meeting notes 2023-06-30.txt Meeting notes 2023-07-01.txt
I know that they use that format in daily life in Asia but to me it's the "computer format" for this exact reason.
Getting people to adopt to this in large projects is soooo difficult but it provides soooo much benefit :/
Thi is the way.
2023rd of July. Duh
In year 4
Everything is right about it:
for storing dates it's awesome, for displaying dates it's time to teach your programmer how to format shit for humans.
It actually is the best for displaying all-number dates to people as well because no one in their right mind will ever do yyyy-dd-mm.
So if you see the year first, you know the format. When the year is last and you see a date like 03-02-2023, you have to take into account the nationality of the author to know if it's March 2nd or February 3rd.
But 2023-02-03 it becomes clear that it's February 3rd.
I can't even comprehend how dumb this image is.
100 feet in 0.27373616263 fence posts
Doesn't that make you dumber than the image?
My brain hurt reading it lol
Now this is the kind of shitposting I can get behind.
I actually agree that the metric system has nice round numbers, but this graphic is a hilarious rebuttal to the first one that just draws pictures to make their preferred system look like it fits into the pretty pictures.
Two can play at that game, lol.
Eh.. The graph shows
"Inches in 8.33 feet", and those 3's will go on forever like 8.333333333333..
Its clearly meant to be a shitpost.
It's actually interesting, an inch is the last knuckle of your thumb, a foot is your foot, a yard is one pace (left right left) a mile is 1000 paces
But for some reason when we standardized them so everyone's mile would be the same distance, we used a freaking giant.
Then pirates kept us from adopting the metric system
Fuck yeah. Because 100 being the temperature of a random woman measured during her menstrual cycle totally makes sense.
Ey! It was the blood temperature of a horse before that, okay?! So it's not as if there were no improvements made at all! /s
This is cursed. I love it
I love the mental gymnastics which have gone into the making of this infographic. Gold!
I like that every bar has a different scaling.
It's an imperial log scale
How long do you have to sit on the toilet to produce one of those imperial logs?
You have to NOT sit on the toilet for 3 days
That's when you need to bring out the poop axe, because the poop knife just won't cut it
Thanks! I hate it.
But in all honesty, this is almost like being inside a Canadian's brain. I have to translate back and forth at work all the time, and even cooking involves converting things back and forth. I have no idea how many drams to a gallon, so I'll convert ounces to mL, then scale as necessary, and then convert back to US customary because the measuring cups and spoons are labelled in American.
Same, as a Canadian I wish we just had everything in metric instead of 70% of things. If systems of units were money, metric would be paying with dollars and cents, while imperial is paying with sheep and bars of gold.
😆 I'm totally stealing this.
I also hate that we are loosey goosey with date formats. What day is 07/08/23??? I hate that the US uses MM/DD/YY format but at least they are consistent about it.
That's either July 8, or August 7th. Depending on... Well. What whoever was writing it meant 😁
In that case, sign me up for an imperial monetary system, that sounds awesome.
You had me at sheep.
It's like we're in a weird limbo between the two. Metric for distance, except height which is in feet and inches. Grams for weight, except for human weight it's pounds (or sometimes not). Celsius for temperatures, but ovens use farenheight. Just pick one goddammit!
I am curious, what are you doing where you need to convert drams to gallons? Making mixed whiskey?
I've actually done this a a lot for work needing to work out operating weights of mechanical equipment and checking existing structures for capacity etc. American equipment with all imperial info and Canadian building design. It's easy to convert, but still annoying.
Measuring cups and spoons is probably my worst international pet peeve. I do not understand why please? Why not measure with a scale like every sane being?
This picture gives me conniptions
I had to look that one up, thank you for giving me the new word of the day!
Nice shitpost, op
Don't Americans normally say "4th of July"?
Only when referring to July 4th.
"The 4th of May be with you"
I may be in the minority but I tend to say "Fourth of July" to refer to the holiday but "July fourth" to refer to the date when not referencing the holiday.
Yes but only for the Fourth of July. Any other day is reversed.
I thought this post was funny until I read the comments.
I actually like fahrenheit for weather. 0 is really fucking cold, 100 is really fucking hot.
Works for Celsius as well. 0°C is damn cold, and 100°C is damn hot weather.
Swede here, 0 C is not particularly cold
"is this summer?"
Northern Mexico here. 0 C is literally freezing cold. I would be so bundled up in jackets. We got up to about 44 C today, though, to be fair. I imagine you would be oppositely uncomfortable in that.
Swede in Oaxaca att the moment. 0 C we would put on a jacket, but something that is often missed is that we later go in and warm up. Many Mexican houses are not built to keep the cold out. I spent a couple of winter weeks in Toluca a few years ago and the nights was freaking cold. The concrete walls store the cold as ice blocks and there's no heaters or radiators.
Yes, 44 would definitely be uncomfortable. Even 30 would be uncomfortable really.
I guess I didn't account for climate change getting quite that bad
I have always hated this argument. If that were the case, then 50 would be the most comfortable temperature and it's not. This scale is about 20 degrees off since most everybody prefers a temperature of about 70 F.
That makes the assumption that comfortable is at the center of weather patterns (which is what fahrenheit was made to describe), and there's no real reason that that would be the case. The average temperature worldwide is in the 50's, not in the 70's. Likewise, 0° F is more similar frequency to 100° F than it is to 140° F, which tends to be an extreme only for the hottest places on earth. 50°-ish is the center of the temperature scale, it's just that most people prefer temperatures that are abnormally warm
But that's the same argument that people use against Celsius: "the freezing and boiling points of water is an arbitrary scale, I prefer Fahrenheit because it's more human centric" (Even though it's not). What you're saying is equally as arbitrary, the average temperatures of the planet as a whole is still not a human centric frame of reference.
for now
Well... that goes for Celsius, too :P
Both are confusing. Let's use colours instead:
Red = hot, wear shorts and a t shirt
Blue = cold, grab a jacket
Pretty intuitive without any prior knowledge.
Yeah until u gotta tell the difference between plum violet and purple to decide if you wear shorts and a jacket or pants and a tank top
If it is 0 F° or 0 C° and tomorrow it's double as cold, how cold is it?
Neither Celsius nor Fahrenheit make rational sense. The numbers are just for fun in these scales. Kelvin is the only good choice.
I'm a Brit so am pretty bilingual when it come to weights and measures. However Fahrenheit just gives me a headache.
Plus Fahrenheit gives you more increments of degrees within a given range.
Ever heard of decimals?
Our thermostats haven't. I really don't understand it - it can't possibly be more expensive to make, the cheapest of parts can give you better than tenths of a degree, just give us half degrees and we wouldn't even need another button.
Half of them use touch screens anyways! How are you going to give us WiFi on them while making them less adjustable than a 55 year old analog one?? I can set the freaking background and send messages to them from the other side of the world, but there's not even a hidden option for fine adjustment.
Having thermostats with sub-degree values actually doesn't make a lot of sense since the temperature within a room fluctuates by a few degrees between the hottest and the coldest spot. Hence setting target temperatures with higher accuracy is as accurate as measuring micron-accurate distances by eye.
"Yeah, I can totally see that this is 2154 microns long. I can see that from across the room!"
Don't worry. It'll roll out for $9.99 a month. Give them time.
My thermostat has .5 degrees
"Base 12" is nice because it is easy to divide into halves, quarters, thirds as whole numbers. The rest is a bit of a mess though, I guess.
Base12 Units would be much more useful if we used Base12 numbers
60% of the time it works every time.
I fucking love converting shit into imperial. It makes lots of fucking sence.
I'd even say it fucking makes cense!
Nice try ;)
You are joking, right? Or ha e you actually fallen for the bogus infographic?
US date/time is actually closer to the ideal notation if you consider that for the majority of date references you don't need the year, so July 4th at 12:45:59 actually makes sense and denotes time from most to least significant digit. If you just shift the year to the front, you have an ideal naming convention and no confusion in identifying month and day.
In European, the date goes from least significant to most significant digits for the year and most to least significant for the time. For all the valid arguments on the side of the metric system vs imperial, if you ever want to shut the argument down for date formatting just ask why they don't keep the same format for date as they do for time, say 59:45:12 4/7/2023? For consistency that is how they should write 59 seconds after 45 minutes after the 12th hour of the 4th day of the 7th month of the year 2023.
This isn't true, the most and least significant parts of a date and time vary dramatically depending on context, and required specificity.
In day to day conversation, the day is the most important, to the extent that people often won't use the date at all but the day of the week, "we're doing X on wednesday evening", etc. The year is a given, and the month doesn't matter because it's either the same, or the next one because tomorrow is the 1st or whatever.
If you're talking about gardening or something broadly seasonal, month is the most important. It doesn't matter if you plant the seeds on the 10th or the 20th, but it should be during February. And obviously years matter when you're talking about things that happened a while ago, and decades if it's a long time, centuries for longer, etc etc.
Having a format that consistently increases, or decreases, specificity over it's length makes sense. Having one that muddles it up is very weird.
Which really is why YMD:HMS is the king.
Well we agree on the last sentence anyway, but that also illustrates why both D/M/Y and M/D/Y are bad choices.... Because in the cases where you need the year, it means it figures in somehow and you're putting it last.
If the day is the most important, you just say 'the 15th' or 'Wednesday' or whatever. If the month is important, you can say 'May 15th' or the 15th of May (or, I guess 15 May?). But in the US we literally write like that. If the date is all you need, you say the date, if the month is important you give that info first (since if there is going to be confusion over the month, that's more important) so we say the month, then the date. IF we'd gone further and continued that path and actually wrote it YMD, we would have definitely won the high ground and settled our way as better, but because we decided the year could go at the end, we muddied things up and arguable came in second place...but we came in second place to an almost equally dumb, but one step more consistent, format.
DMY:HMS is still really dumb. Just that MDY:HMS is one step dumber.
I'm glad we agree MDY is worse, haha.
By that logic, that time should be written as 45:59:12 in Imperial.
For consistency.
:) fair point...I do admit that MDY is dumb, my only real argument is that MD makes more sense, and that is what is used in the US. The fact that our next step is MDY instead of YMD loses all the credibility, and Minute:Second:Hour is a funny and well deserved mockery of that.
Sometimes.
Sometimes it isn't.
Like when people say "4th of July" instead of 7/4.
I'm happy with metric generally speaking - except for Celsius when talking about ambient temperature. I will die on that hill. Freezing/boiling point of water is a ridiculous point of reference for temperature as experienced by humans.
Fahrenheit: 0 = really cold; 100 = really hot
Celsius: -17.778 = really cold; 38.333 = really hot
Not to mention that the Celsius grading is too big requiring use of tenths when discussing weather and setting a thermostat...
What? I have never ever had a discussion in my life about tenths of celsius when discussing weather or thermostat. Nobody does that. The units are small enough to be used in majors.
Freezing is excellent point of reference when you think about what effects it has on our lives. When water freezes, roads get frozen. When water freezes, pipes might blow up. When temperature reaches 0 Fahrenheit, nothing happens. Everything is same as 1 fahrenheit, or -1 fahrenheit. Nothing has changed, it is completely arbitrary.
Many Celsius thermostats increment in .5 degrees. Both systems are completely arbitrary.
This is literally all about what you're used to.
From my "UX" I know that
I have no idea what 70F is - because I've never used it.
70% of what?! What I consider hot, living in the north of England, is very different to what someone in Spain, or Nigeria, would consider hot.
Temperature isn't volume, no one can conceptualise a 70% reduction in temperature because it's literally not how any one, nor any scale other than Kelvin, considers it.
You can't, like, grab heat and go "oh yea, there's less here".
Absolute clown shoes.
Edit: typos, various shit.
Except that's not true, the deadly zones start earlier than that.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/excessmortalityduringheatperiods/englandandwales1juneto31august2022
20C is 68F, 30C is 86F.
While the report does make it clear that these were already vulnerable people who were already expected to die soon - within weeks or maybe months - it was the heatwave that pushed them over the edge.
In the UK, with our brick houses built to absorb and retain heat, and absence of AC, average temps above 20C/68F do kill.
Similarly, it's reported that two thirds of the deaths in the 2021 Texas storm were due to hypothemia, in a state where houses are also built to shed heat. For the majority of the state, as seen in the article below, the temps were negative C but above 0F. I also think it's fair to suggest a good many of these people were likely already vulnerable.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56095479
I absolutely agree that 0F and below temps are even colder, and even more deadly, but to suggest that is where it starts to be deadly is wrong.
Ultimately how humans experience and deal with tempurature has nothing to do with the scale we use to measure it, but what it is compared to what we are used to and how prepared we are to protect ourself against being "too hot" or "too cold". It's pretty much a perfect example of subjectivity.
If you prefer to use F than C, or K, or any other method, then go for it. But to try and argue that either method is inheriantly better or superior based solely on subjectivity is a fools errand.
Everything in metric is defined around distilled fresh water. The temp scales between 0-100 for solid/ice and gas/stream, and because water is almost incompressible then weight, quantity and volume all interact as well (1kg of water = 1 litre, 1 metre^3 = 1000kg = 1000litres).
Is that easier? I bake a lot, so not having to measure volume for water and instead being able to use weight as a 1:1 conversion sure makes easier when hydrating mixtures - but my oven being at 200C or ~400F makes no practical difference. Again it's just what we're used to.
That said, and I get why they were invented, but using cups, and thus volume, for compressible ingredients like flour honestly makes no sense. But now we're wildly off topic.
Sure, but water freezes pretty effing close to zero C, not zero F. So if it says that today is around 0 C, I start planning ahead
But hot and cold is relative. It's largely up to experience to have a feel for temperature. Eg, what temperature do you need a jacket in? In Celsius, around zero is jacket weather. What's room temperature? It's a pretty arbitrary 20ish C vs 70ish F either way.
I could just as easily say Celsius has nifty ten degree bands for weather. 0 to 10 is chilly fall weather. 10 to 20 is nice late spring weather. 20 to 30 is summer weather. 30 to 40 are the hottest summer days. 0 to -10 is mild winter. -10 to -20 are the cold winter days. -20 to -30 are the coldest days in a place like Toronto.
For outside weather, I've never seen anyone use tenths. Thermostats (for inside) in Celsius usually use half degree granularity.
I find it is hit or miss if a thermostat gives 0.5C or 1C for granularity. Even when the do have half degree increments I always just use whole degrees.
I generally agree with you, but I guess how you experience these depends on where you live and what you're used to. For me, it would be something like:
Laughs in Canadian
Man, sometimes I'm relieved when it's only -20°C. At least my eyelashes don't turn to icicles.
Man, -15 is kinda nice weather for going outside and eat ice scream.
Welcome to Finland!
See, the problem with the Fahrenheit = percentage thing is that it DOES NOT WORK. how I am supposed to know how 50% of "very hot" feels like. ig it's something """neutral""". Oh wait it's 10°C, i need warmer clothing. You need to get used to a temperature measurement, however logical you think it is. Tenths are a non-issue.
Excuse my unprofessionalism
It works better than "-20 to 40" tho.
It's really hot for a human way before 100°F, it's becoming uncomfortable when it's more than 77°F (or 25°C for most humans. The "100 really hot" part is not really a benefit for anyone.
Also the point when water freezes is pretty important in the winter. You can see immediately that you have to drive carefully when the temperature is close to 0°C. So I think 0° freezing makes the most sense.
However: Temperature of boiling water is useless, that's true.
Sorry these arguments about the superiority or otherwise of a unit of measurement are just silly.
It is 100% related to what you grew up with and are familiar with.
No one who grew up with Celsius has any issue discussing weather or adjusting thermostats and the only people who struggle would be people who didnt grow up with it.
Well.. Yeah, of course.
That looks silly because it's completely arbitrary, set to what you are used to. There is no universal "human experience". Where I'm from temperature typically ranges from -30 c to +30 c, which seems pretty nice and balanced compared to imperial's -22 f to 86 c which looks silly now, doesn't it?
It's all completely arbitrary.
Wow! I came here to tell about the time I had a discussion with an American about exactly this. And your arguments where the same as hers. I guess it simply is about what you are used to. For me Celsius is just fine and an accurate enough measurement. I know that I like my shower water to be exactly 37,3° C (98,6°F). And I can adjust my AC with decimals as well. But for the weather forcast: nobody cares if it's 27,2° or 27,7° C (81° or 82°). The forecast isn't as accurate anyway. So noone is talking in decimals when discussing weather.
Also: 32F (0 C) is still literally freezing cold! And even your "halfway" mark of 50F (10C) is still cold in my books.
There will always and forever be arguments about it and it all comes down to this: What ever you grew up with you are intuitive with and probably like it better. Celsius is subjectively more logical and Fahrenheit seems to "feel" more right for some.
Fahrenheit automatically disqualifies itself from being a serious unit, because it has an inconsistent scale
This reply really confuses me - in what way is the scale inconsistent?
The original definition is using three points:
Because of that the scale of Fahrenheit was different above the Freezing point of water and below, requiring to redefine the temperature at the reference points multiple times (and not by an insignificant amount)
The original definition of Celsius (centigrade) was reversed with 100 being the freezing point of water and 0 being the boiling point. I'd say a "non-insignificant" change.
Kelvin?
Fahrenheit automatically disqualifies itself as a serious unit, because it has an inconsistent scaling, because it's definined using three points.