Same bullshit logic that helped many support the genocide of those "barbaric" Native Americans because some actually had the gall to attack the colonial invaders.
I wonder how few will draw some of the parallels of the colonial expansion in Australia and the West in general.
I love the types that say others should go back to where they come from ignoring their parents and grandparents were not that far removed from the boat that brought them here.
Then they don't want to acknowledge that these groups were probably not that thrilled at being slaughtered and their kids taken away from them to make way for their colonial ancestors.
It's a amazing trait to me that humans can hold such diabolically opposed ideas as the same truths for them.
Eurasian empires have been shaped by this for millenia.
Nomadic horse tribes harass existing empire until it starts to crumble. Tribes annex land and establish new empire/ruling class and give up the nomadic lifestyle. New nomadic horse tribes show up and start harassing. Rulers who are only 1 or 2 generations removed from living a nomadic lifestyle and conquering call new group "barbarians" and "uncivilized" for their brutality. New horse tribes topple empire, rinse and repeat.
To list a few: Mongols, Turks, Huns, Scythians... It was like a revolving door until gunpowder showed up.
Each generation completely ignoring the atrocities of their forebears while also framing their successors as monsters. Tale as old as time.
Justifying current atrocities by pointing to previous atrocities misses the point.
The point is at some point it should stop. Yes, America and Australia and Europe and everywhere commit genocide, committed atrocities that are now considered war crimes, but responding to current calls for it to stop by making some attempted Gotcha at perceived hypocrisy is worse than saying nothing.
Edit: to be clear, my ancestors were monsters. What they did to the natives her in America is deplorable, and the fact that Andrew Jackson's dickface is on anything but textbooks on the Trail Of Tears and lists of most evils leaders in recent history is a current stain on my country's reputation. I don't know enough about Scottish history beyond my ancestors coming to the US, but I'm pretty sure they were on the oppressed side of most engagements for a good long time. None of that changes that I think any people who commit genocide (except genocide of mosquitos) are monsters, and I want them to stop.
Some would point out the same before the Colonials came too. In the other examples it was all out war with promises of more, not treaties ignored when it became inconvenient or as bait to disarm.
There were also commitments made that are only starting to be honoured in some cases today.
It's the atrocities from the higher standards of the "right God" Fearing and "more civilized" peoples that came to into replace everyone. There was no honour in it which was supposedly the basis of some of these societies They were supposed to be better often were not even for their times.
After the Bronze age collapse, the nomadic Habi-ru people came out of the wilderness and conquered the Cannanite people who no longer had the protection of the Egyptian Empire.
Also, I'd say that the first dynasty that follows your example are the Gutians.
Israel in its current form should be eliminated. It's an apartheid state. Until it changes by enfranchising the Palestinians that it has trapped in open air prisons (Gaza, West Bank) it has no right to carry on. I will never support an ethnostate that places the supremacy of one ethnicity over another. If we time traveled back would you say that apartheid South Africa deserved to continue as it was? Rhodesia?
It's funny that you are wasting time defending Israel with that kind of defense. "Hamas regularly admits" -- show me where? Here? Oops, that was just some of the many documented statements from Israeli officials declaring their genocidal intent. You know, the thing that is actually happening right now considering Israel has shut off food, water, electricity, and fuel into Gaza. When Netenyahu compares Palestinians to Amalek he is telling his hardcore right wing faction a very clear message. Maybe you didn't understand it? Or, a worse thought, maybe you understand it perfectly and pretend otherwise?
I don't think it matters which murderous asshole kills you. This trend of trying to assign more blame to one side is ridiculous. It's civilians being caught in a war and that needs to stop.
I get what you're going for but if you want to be realistic, the hostage taker wouldn't be surprised/upset in the third panel. Israel is undoubtedly committing war crimes but Hamas has made it pretty clear they don't give a shit if Palestinian civilians die.
I love the analogy if your loved one was being held at gun point, would you support the police firing through your loved one to kill the criminal? Yeah criminal is dead but like wtf.
Hey someone is robbing a bank, better blow it up. The customers and workers will die but at least we got the bank robber.
Hamas could let their people South and no one gets hurt. If Israel lets Palestinians across the border into Israel, Hamas will sneak in with them and kill lots of Israelis. Can you not see the difference?
First panel is straight up nazi propaganda. Completely buying into the 'human shields' narrative the zionists use as an excuse to deliberately murder civilians
Yep, they said the same thing when they would bomb neighborhoods in Iraq and kill dozens of civilians, that they were being used by insurgents or whatever. It is decades old propaganda always used against any non-state militant group.
I am so tired of hearing anti-Semite during all of this. Being Jewish does not shield anyone from the consequences of their actions, or the actions of their government or people. It's not a get out of jail free card.
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Same bullshit logic that helped many support the genocide of those "barbaric" Native Americans because some actually had the gall to attack the colonial invaders.
The misunderstanding being that "your stuff is ours, actually"
I wonder how few will draw some of the parallels of the colonial expansion in Australia and the West in general.
I love the types that say others should go back to where they come from ignoring their parents and grandparents were not that far removed from the boat that brought them here.
Then they don't want to acknowledge that these groups were probably not that thrilled at being slaughtered and their kids taken away from them to make way for their colonial ancestors.
It's a amazing trait to me that humans can hold such diabolically opposed ideas as the same truths for them.
Eurasian empires have been shaped by this for millenia. Nomadic horse tribes harass existing empire until it starts to crumble. Tribes annex land and establish new empire/ruling class and give up the nomadic lifestyle. New nomadic horse tribes show up and start harassing. Rulers who are only 1 or 2 generations removed from living a nomadic lifestyle and conquering call new group "barbarians" and "uncivilized" for their brutality. New horse tribes topple empire, rinse and repeat.
To list a few: Mongols, Turks, Huns, Scythians... It was like a revolving door until gunpowder showed up.
Each generation completely ignoring the atrocities of their forebears while also framing their successors as monsters. Tale as old as time.
Justifying current atrocities by pointing to previous atrocities misses the point.
The point is at some point it should stop. Yes, America and Australia and Europe and everywhere commit genocide, committed atrocities that are now considered war crimes, but responding to current calls for it to stop by making some attempted Gotcha at perceived hypocrisy is worse than saying nothing.
Edit: to be clear, my ancestors were monsters. What they did to the natives her in America is deplorable, and the fact that Andrew Jackson's dickface is on anything but textbooks on the Trail Of Tears and lists of most evils leaders in recent history is a current stain on my country's reputation. I don't know enough about Scottish history beyond my ancestors coming to the US, but I'm pretty sure they were on the oppressed side of most engagements for a good long time. None of that changes that I think any people who commit genocide (except genocide of mosquitos) are monsters, and I want them to stop.
Some would point out the same before the Colonials came too. In the other examples it was all out war with promises of more, not treaties ignored when it became inconvenient or as bait to disarm.
There were also commitments made that are only starting to be honoured in some cases today.
It's the atrocities from the higher standards of the "right God" Fearing and "more civilized" peoples that came to into replace everyone. There was no honour in it which was supposedly the basis of some of these societies They were supposed to be better often were not even for their times.
Unfortunately that's a tale as old as time too...
After the Bronze age collapse, the nomadic Habi-ru people came out of the wilderness and conquered the Cannanite people who no longer had the protection of the Egyptian Empire.
Also, I'd say that the first dynasty that follows your example are the Gutians.
I kind of mean both. Is there a word that works for that?
Diabotricelly.
People also over-emphasize the importance of being born here.
Yes. That land should be returned to the Canaanites.
...wait
Not really the same. The natives would have to have the attitude of genocideing the colonizers
I have seen numerous examples of Israeli officials declaring genocidal intent of all Palestinians. I haven’t seen the reverse.
Ahhh a satire account. Hilarious keep up the good work
https://twitter.com/PushBidenLeft/status/1720203022309978206 ???
Hamas regularly admits they want to eliminate Israel is why it's satire. Y'all are so thick and stuck on one train of thought
Israel in its current form should be eliminated. It's an apartheid state. Until it changes by enfranchising the Palestinians that it has trapped in open air prisons (Gaza, West Bank) it has no right to carry on. I will never support an ethnostate that places the supremacy of one ethnicity over another. If we time traveled back would you say that apartheid South Africa deserved to continue as it was? Rhodesia?
It's funny that you are wasting time defending Israel with that kind of defense. "Hamas regularly admits" -- show me where? Here? Oops, that was just some of the many documented statements from Israeli officials declaring their genocidal intent. You know, the thing that is actually happening right now considering Israel has shut off food, water, electricity, and fuel into Gaza. When Netenyahu compares Palestinians to Amalek he is telling his hardcore right wing faction a very clear message. Maybe you didn't understand it? Or, a worse thought, maybe you understand it perfectly and pretend otherwise?
Three one Israel apologized for and fired the official? There are certainly fake ones but there are a few real ones Israel has admitted to.
Hamas routinely declares they want to wipe out Israel is why it's satire
Yeah aside from the official admitting it wasn't.
"We demand the return of our hostages, which is why we're going to bomb where our hostages are to fucking rubble"
Are the hostages even still alive? I somehow doubt that.
Real question is did they end up dying in one of the saturation bombings
I don't think it matters which murderous asshole kills you. This trend of trying to assign more blame to one side is ridiculous. It's civilians being caught in a war and that needs to stop.
If not, it's because Israel keeps wiping where they supposedly are off the map.
I get what you're going for but if you want to be realistic, the hostage taker wouldn't be surprised/upset in the third panel. Israel is undoubtedly committing war crimes but Hamas has made it pretty clear they don't give a shit if Palestinian civilians die.
Like this?
Yea, except there should be like 50 hostages and one guy with a knife, and then the pink shirt guy blows them all to bits
Yes very good
Yeah, panel 5 should be pink/green high-fiving.
Nah. In 4 they should be shooting both of them through the hostage.
I love the analogy if your loved one was being held at gun point, would you support the police firing through your loved one to kill the criminal? Yeah criminal is dead but like wtf.
Hey someone is robbing a bank, better blow it up. The customers and workers will die but at least we got the bank robber.
Also: bringing up “Deliberately killing hostages”
Hamas is like “yeah we do that, too, and we will do it again.”
Israel: we don't give a shit about the lives of Palestinians
Hamas: We don't either LOL
I get what you mean but it's not because the terrorists don't care if you kill the hostages that you can kill them
Seeing as how Israel isn't letting civilians leave the war zone, there's plenty more human shields to choose from!
Israel has made it pretty clear they consider everyone in Gaza to be their military enemy.
Agreed. Hamas has explicitly said the same for all of Israel, unfortunately.
Just to bound my mind to yours
Neither is Hamas.
True true
Wow, Israel is doing the same as a terrorist group. That must mean that Israel are the good guys.
Great argument!
Hamas could let their people South and no one gets hurt. If Israel lets Palestinians across the border into Israel, Hamas will sneak in with them and kill lots of Israelis. Can you not see the difference?
Then go tell the artist to change the facial expression if it bothers you so much
You mean the original artist who didn't add flags to the image? Or do you mean OP who I did (jokingly) suggest that to...?
It didn't sound look like you were joking.
You can't just perfectly sum up a very complex geo-politocal issue in 1 meme like this, but you did anyway
First panel is straight up nazi propaganda. Completely buying into the 'human shields' narrative the zionists use as an excuse to deliberately murder civilians
Yep, they said the same thing when they would bomb neighborhoods in Iraq and kill dozens of civilians, that they were being used by insurgents or whatever. It is decades old propaganda always used against any non-state militant group.
And thats the true,
Nah
Admitting Hamas is holding civilians hostage isn't the win you think it is.
What makes you think OP is pro-Hamas?
No one with half a brain is pro hamas. This conflict isn’t a binary.
It’s possible to think killing civilians is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
Does 'criticizing the UN and the West for doing nothing to enforce peace' include criticizing them for creating the conflict in the first place?
I am so tired of hearing anti-Semite during all of this. Being Jewish does not shield anyone from the consequences of their actions, or the actions of their government or people. It's not a get out of jail free card.
They're sure not trying to criticise them, are they?
No one is winning in this situation.