Looks like Facebook is following youtube with anti-adblock measures.
I don't really use facebook anymore so couldn't care less; but so happened to log in today to change my password and saw this on my front page.
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Ad Blocking is Cyber Security, never ever let anyone convince you differently
if ads were just static PNGs with a link you went to if you clicked I wouldn't have ever bothered. but ads became a major malware and tracking risk so plugging that security hole became mandatory.
I tried finding that website, but I can't remember what it is. I've seen it use the static image advertisement. It changed on each reload too.
But yes, that website had last update somewhere in the early 2000s.
When I last used it a few years ago ExplainXKCD used static images and had a note about how they hand picked each ad to avoid any problems.
People are gonna say I'm being hyperbolic or crazy, but I swear that the internet died the day the first line of production Javascript was ever written.
The internet died in September 1994 everybody knows that
Hey, that's not too far away. Javascript came about in December 1995.
It's true. I work in a computer shop and we see literally thousands and thousands of dollars lost from people clicking on ads that look like normal buttons (things like "Download", "Next", etc). And not just the elderly either. Everyone has a a combination of inputs to get scared and comply. Folks that are otherwise extremely competent and savvy can get scammed too.
The best security you can have online is adblockers, only beaten by using trusted websites.
Edit, fair points with sites being slimy these days. I meant using legitimate versions of websites rather than copy/fake websites designed to steal credentials.
But what websites can you trust these days?
YouTube? Serves up scammy bitcoin ads. Google? Places ads as "search results" Twitter?
Maybe that one website unchanged since 1998.
You can't trust any website 100%
You need to continously verify and reverify the details you can.
I can totally trust the hmpg site.
Space Jam?
It was updated when the shitty new one came out :c
Does anyone have screenshots of these buttons? I didn't see an ad for so long that I don't even know how they look like.
something like these
Yes, these exactly. There does seem to be a bias towards sites with multi-page articles (think Yahoo news, BuzzFeed type stuff), and what I'll call "disposable income listings" like boat and sports car-listing websites.
Definitely. Ads are eye cancer at best, and infiltration channels for malware at worst. Compromised ad networks pumping out executable code via javascript (or back in the days, Flash) are still a major source of trojan infections.
And just to add to your important point, Ad Blockers are really Content Blockers. They allow the user to delete annoyances that have nothing to do with advertising. We should all start calling them Content Blockers.
Have tried the zapper in ublock origin? I love it.
I use it often for sites I rarely will visit again. It keeps My Rules file from getting cluttered.
And it's fun!!!
So fun! I think it gives me a tiny power trip when I feel like Bruce Lee karate-chopping away an annoying part of a website :D
I have said it before, snd I will repeat it as many times as it takes.
Adblocking is security, untill website owners take legal and financial responsibillity for the harm that a hacked ad spreading malware or attenpting any kind of deception, I won't even consider removing my adblocker.
If this changes, I will consider it, but will still not do it, the risk to my data is too large.
Ads are malware for the mind, even when they're not malware for the machine.
Well put!
Thanks :) I was quite pleased with that one!
Yeah, there's no proper screening process and companies aren't help liable for malicious advertisements. It's the Wild west out there, and companies take money from anyone due to there being no consequences. Internet advertising has no proper screening process like network television.
Seems like a feature to me.
Oh yeah aunt Greta, I’m still friends with you, but it’s so weird how I can’t see your anti vax “facts”
That's the government censorship!
I took a peek at my feed for the first time in years. It's all junk lol, no one I care about is posting anything
The only thing worth seeing is my local Buy Nothing group, but there are other services popping up which do something similar.
Yeah all my actual friends are messaging me elsewhere, facebook is more like a picture dump for old people. I only use it occasionally for joining various expat groups since I move countries frequently for my job, and they are rather resourceful.
It sure might be, but the one friend who got blocked is just casually posting stuff from his personal life, nothing spammy going on there. Either facebook is screwing with me, or they are playing out some friend's posts in the ad-network stream so you are actually losing some genuine content. That would be evil (and totally something Meta would do), but I really couldn't care less.
I do think that sounds more like they're hiding it and blaming adblock than pretending something was missed. Wouldn't be surprised if it starts small and ramps up over time, but that's just speculation.
Thank fucking god
My Facebook is hardly even friends these days. It's basically ads, suggested posts, and posts in groups. Maybe because none of my friends really post anymore, I dunno.
Yeah 1 out of 10 is a friend's post. The rest is just garbage.
I'm at the stage where I check it once a day, maybe twice, for things like birthdays and anything important that my friends post. 90% of what's there is suggested posts, ads, or reposted shit. 'What type of gemstone suits you best? Tap here to find out!'
Even if they were blocking posts, it'll be because FB purposely wrapped them to look like an Ad
Or a friend shared paid content?
Yeah, Facebook can not know when your adblocker is blocking those posts, unless they did it themselves.
Facebook has groups, and unfortunately, that's a pretty important feature. The car groups I belong to are hardcore track drivers and DIYers that share knowledge (problems and resolutions, alignment specs, tire and wheel experiences, custom parts, parts swaps, etc) and independent manufacturers who make stuff that isn't otherwise easily available.
Until there is a solid replacement for that, I can't get rid of Facebook proper.
Ok but who the fuck uses Facebook?
So people who don’t know about adblockers, generally.
Eh, I see Boomer used as a state of mind as often as a generation. It's like Karen, calling soneone a Karen isn't claiming their name is Karen, it's calling out a state of mind.
There are a few countries where Facebook is still pretty popular. The Philippines, for example
One of my parent's dozen+ facebook bots that steal their pictures/identity, because they are too dumb to know how to configure FB privacy settings. It's disturbing how many of them just scour profiles, replicate, and impersonate to scam.
Oh wow, im sorry for you.
Or maybe don't tell other people how to live their lives?
You seem pleasant.
My ASD brother, who prefers to be contacted through it. I want to maintain what little relationship I have with him.
In Brazil, it is useful to contact people that you know in real life, family and friends...
Plus, it sorta works like a Craigslist here. People sell and buy things from Facebook everyday, and people advertise their business and services here (e.g: restaurants, plumbing services, gift stores, etc)
I'll be that sort of person to say that the change starts when you also start. When messengers weren't a thing here, I started moving people I talk with to a messenger of my choice. Slowly after some time all the people I know were using it without giving any thought because turns out they just use whatever works. Several months go by and I safely use nothing but that messenger of my choice. Whenever a person asks if I use Facebook/Whatsapp, I just say "I don't have it, do you have (that messenger of my choice) or do you prefer SMS?" - and it kind of works for me.
I think people are underestimating how important the YouTube thing is.
If they succeed, the entire ad funded internet are going to clone what they do.
It will effect everyone everywhere, whether you run an adblocker or not.
It will benefit the large corporations and choke out the smaller people. It will consolidate control and wealth.
Exactly and I think what we are seeing here is that the other companies are now helping build a very frustrating user experience to break down the everyday user. We will likely see Twitter and others joining in the coming weeks
To you and @[email protected] (and everyone else); What do we do about it? How can I fight back?
And given Google has the monopoly on ads, they have nothing to lose.
They have already succeeded.
Other than YouTube, I’m basically off all of these centralized social media platforms and it feels great.
I do need to occasionally use Facebook for market place and messenger for contacting business.
Basically every business operates over messenger where I live.
Yes same for me, whatsapp is pretty much the only "genuine" communication channel. I only keep a presence on facebook since I have to move countries frequently for work, and the "expats in $city" groups are quite helpful to find people, and then move the discussions off-platform :-)
I'm trying to encourage people to move to peertube. Not much content there, but i'll reward what intersting content I find. You should too
Yeah, also please, make some content.
Doesn't matter that it stinks, we wont watch it till you get better anyway.
There’s just nothing there besides tech content
I’ve been trying to switch over but haven’t found a good iOS app yet. Know of any?
What is wrong with safari?
Not really, I am in a third would country and if you call the landline, you still have to pay by the minute. Most businesses do not even have a landline to contact. Typically they give a viber number or messenger number.
Even when I needed to get a rabies shot, my wife found a place on facebook. They did not even have a website of their own. Sadly that is how the internet works where I live.
Someone on here linked to odysee.com which appears to be a better version of YouTube so far, even Louis Rossman is there talking about YT's new adblock situation as one example: https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/youtube's-adblock-war-is-backfiring-in:c
Thanks! I always forget about that platform. I did see he made a video about that. I’ll watch it on odyssey now
It's YouTube (piped when I can but the servers seem to be down) and old.reddit.com for me.
I don’t like that it doesn’t save video progress mid video. It also is not very reliable for me, so I use an iOS extension called vinegar and use YouTube through a browser.
Piped.video does though, if that's what you want. Yes, reliability is a problem; I'm just waiting for when I'll host my own piped instance
I will check it out again. I thought it only marked videos as played but did not save the position in the video when you stopped watching.
I find it quite dubious their claim of it blocking posts from friends, vs. ads. Friends don't post ads, so if it's blocking posts, they are inserting ads colored up as "friend posts".
So this is how it will start.
First it will be a back and forth war of Anti-adblockers vs Adblockers
Then when the Anti-Adblockers start to lose, which they will, then they'll come crying to various governments with massic PAC campaigns among other insane garbage about how "Adblockers are Piracy!" and that they need to be banned.
This will not end well.
It'll end well enough. People will just stop using their shitty platforms. They'll start looking for alternatives, from which there are loads, find that there are platforms that don't require ads, and go there.
Those that stay deserve the shit they get
You're massively overestimating the conviction of the average internet user. They'll do whatever they're told is cool to do, including visiting a site that is nothing but ads.
Alternatieve for youtube ? Have yet too find a good one 😞
The closest thing I've seen is lbry, where some creators have mirrored their YouTube accounts. But it feels like a very small number of them uploading there.
E to add: As with all alternative platforms, it's also home to a lot of content that was kicked off of more mainstream platforms for one reason or another.
Peertube. Youtube, but with federation and webhooks.
TILvidsis a peertube instance with a focus high quality educational content. There is vastly less content compared to YouTube but the videos that are there tend to be really good.
This should help you get started with peertube
For desktop I use the FreeTube client. For mobile, there's various options line NewPipe and Revanced. But these are all Android Only.
Those are literally all still YouTube.
Newpipe supports federated video plataforms like peertube.
They asked for an alternative for youtube, not to youtube.
Eventually they will just use server side authentication that the ads were displayed properly and the best an adblocker can do is draw a grey rectangle over it and mute your tabs sound.
Or Ad Nauseum, which make them think the ad is there.
This will be the way.
The thing is, if they get really stupid with it I could just go ahead and install pi hole. I haven't already because it's a bit of a fiddle on and I don't apparently don't need it yet. There's no way for the government to mandate against that, unless they actually want to ban me from owning a computer, Which obviously won't really work.
That only allows DNS-based blocking of domains, which isn't going to be nearly as effective. A lot of modern ads are served up from the same domain that you're visiting. Browser-based ad-blocker extensions are in a position to block domains, URLs, and specific parts of the HTML DOM itself. This is going to sound rude, and I'm sorry in advance, but when people bring up pi hole, I assume they aren't very knowledgeable about how things work.
Pihole was once a good adblocker, but as more and more websites realize ads being served from an external domain are easily blocked, they too push their ads through their own domain.
Pihole is still good for some pages, but mostly, its useless as an adblocker.
I have 2 piholes on my network, mostly useless they might be but both block over 20% of the traffic, ublock origin and Firefox take care of the rest. Are you sure you set it up correctly?
20% is a far cry from what it used to be, and it also depends on your use case.
I'm spend my time online 60% on lemmy, 30% on YouTube, and 10% elsewhere.
The internet access on my network is much more varied, 12 clients including work laptops, an HTPC, Unraid server, smart TV, phones, watches, tablets, games console, VR headset. Several of these use VPNs so bypass the piholes, I used to see up to 45% a few years ago, but I see no reason to switch them off just because other systems are taking up the slack. Seriously, I can't remember the last time I saw an ad.
It’s definitely not useless, it blocks a ton.
There’s only a few sites, like YouTube it doesn’t help much on.
Setting up a pihole takes minutes, and will block literally millions of ads on your home network.
The biggest hurdle is teaching yourself not to click on sponsored links. Google will still show promoted results, but you'll get an error when the pi blocks them from loading. This is annoying for new users, especially if some of the users don't care that they are being manipulated and just want to see the thing google wants to sell them.
LOL, if you block ads they'll hide a message from one of your friends that you never would have seen anyway because it would've been buried in ads.
I think this is good though. I think this is just what a lot of people need to get them off FB. I mean... have you tried surfing the www without an ad blocker? I'd rather not use the www.
Stop using Facebook.
I'd rather have some false positives than a single unblocked ad.
It’s been for a long time but not overtly. (I’ve never used it, this is someone else’s screenshot)
Facebook splitting the word "Sponsored" to bypass adblockers – r/assholedesign
Holy shit that's devious.
They also use all those uglified class names so you can't easily target a class to block. They're total bastards. The Facebook Purity plugin is hip to all these tricks though. There are some very dedicated and talented developers who have put in a lot of time and creativity to circumvent these assholes.
Yes, just like Pinterest. It’s easier to find a direct image URL using Network Analysis than Inspector.
iirc Pinterest just uses a div with a background image. Could've been insta though
If I inspect the element in Firefox, it’s a
divwith about 8 layers of randomly named nesteddivs inside, sometimes branching (but the mouseover border preview tool helps). It takes 10 careful clicks to reveal the finaldivand its background image URL. Maybe there’s an “Expand all” button, IDK.They ain’t my friends if they be posting ads.
Can anyone please get my country off Facebook and Messenger? Please?
I don't have a choice. If everybody uses Facebook Messenger for communication, then I need to use Facebook Messenger. Not using Facebook Messenger at all in that case is cutting everybody out of my life. I'm not willing to do that.
Use Beeper then, at least you won't have to use Facebook's app
Its just a matter of getting a invite code from someone whose already in the door. There is basically lots of people who generate it for others. Id do it if I was at home.
I have one and would be happy to share my referral code to anyone who sends me a DM
Your situation is different from mine. Facebook might not be popular in your country anymore but it's the largest social media platform in mine. Young people don't use SMS for communication in my country anymore. The majority has switched to Facebook Messenger now. SMS is only for carrier messages and verification codes. Even if I did get like one or two friends to use SMS again (unlimited SMS not included in phone plans by the way), how do you propose I solve the problem of Messenger group chats? I need them for family, for friends, for college and for work. How do you propose I solve that?
I don't think any other site can do what YouTube is doing, because YouTube is almost impossible to replace and find an alternative to. If Facebook pulls this I'm out for good. The only reason I'm on there still is the 3 people who refuse to use anything else that I still care about.
It's family so I guess I'm shit out of luck here. Everyone else I managed to get to communicate through signal or at least email. But those 3 are a bit special.
I don't even get the question. Yeah I use Facebook with a fake name and no data on the account accept a spam mail address to write occasional messages with 3 people. If I couldn't use ad block on facebook it'd be too annoying to use for me even for that.
I did that and facebook banned me for being a bot
If you create a new account probably. My account is many years old but with little activity. Maybe it doesn't get bit scanned anymore.
So they're essentially admitting that their advertisements are indistinguishable from your friend's posts which are the actual reason you visit the site in the first place. It doesn't matter anyway anymore. Facebook has buried friends list content among absolute bullshit you have zero desire to see. I visited a while ago and 99% of what I was shown was ridiculous groups I tried to block. But there are millions of them. You can block a thousand groups and there's 999 thousand more that are just like it, waiting to take their place. Facebook is supposed to have this super algorithm that determines what users want to see. If that's the case, why are they incapable of detecting that I am actively opposed to certain types of content? Maybe they think they're going to outrage me enough to engage on this bullshit? Nah, I'll just leave. Bye, fuck-faces.
The algo doesn't determine what YOU want to see, it's to determine what the ADVERTISERS want to market themselves to.
Facebook can get fucked. They offer even less to me than YouTube.
Yep. Who is still using FB? Not me.
I rather doubt ad blockers are that big of an impact for them as the age group for facebook is quite old and very app based in my experience.
They've easily wasted more money on the metaverse than adblocking has cost them. Plus since they sell your info, they'll still make money on you even if you block the ads.
How does one block a post from a friend with an ad-blocker? Do some of your friends type like shills? Is Facebook making numbers up for fun?
It's probably made-up garbage. If they knew my ad-blocker had actually blocked a friend, I'm sure they would have found a way not to get anything blocked.
Or alternatively they are now displaying some friend's posts on the same channel normally reserved for ad networks so they are indistinguishable via software? But then it should be way more than one, unless this is some early A/B testing crap.
Sounds they detect adblock and then hide friends posts.
They probably are detecting your ad blocker, and choosing to block random posts as a strange kind of disciplinary behavior.
I'd still take half content without ads over full content with ads. Not like I know what I'm not seeing so can't I really miss it?
This is it. This is how these companies think.
I saw sometimes ads that was claiming that one of my friends like that product too. My bet is on that.
BTW: I started using user script to remove recommendations, suggestions and other crap like that. It makes Facebook so much more bearable but interestingly also feels less addictive.
What is User Script please? I have to use Facebook, and all the crap is frying what's left of my brain.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/431970-fb-clean-my-feeds
After installing it, you will see a floating icon on bottom left, where you can configure it to filter more (I think by my or only blocks clear ads, some people might like the suggestions, but imo they are there to keep you engaged, so I would block them too).
Awesome, thank you :)
lol what.. my feed is 80% ads, 15% group posts and maybe 5% friends
That's why they're blocking the friend posts! So they can give you more ads!
this is such an insidious way to stop people from using ad blockers. It's not like facebook isn't deliberately making sure these false positives happen.
If they can tell you when and how many of your friend's posts were blocked, they could just as easily not block them.
"they could just as easily present them in a way that wouldn't be blocked" would be a more accurate way of phrasing it. Facebook is not the one blocking this content - rather, it's detecting that it has been blocked (clientside)
youre right, but the lines get blurry. i wouldnt be a bit surprised if facebook literally is blocking the content. just wild speculation ofc.
face what?
Sir, this is Lemmy
bye fb
Better late than never
It's like all these tech companies wait to deploy this stuff at the same time.
As soon as one has the audacity to deploy anti-consumer bullshit and the others see there's no measurable fallback, they all rush to roll out the same shit.
Exactly. They sat back and waited. They all want to do it. Ads are cancer to just about everything. Cable, internet, streaming, etc. it ruins the user experience.
100% of the ads i saw on facebook that i can remember were scams
Between that and stuff I looked up on Amazon not that long prior.
Good. Facebook should just die.
It fascinates me people are still using Facebook...
Even though I dont want to and hate it, I have to cause pretty much everyone elae uses it, cause everyone they know use it etc etc
Facebook marketplace is more popular than Craigslist, offerup, etc. at this point. And there is an enormous knowledge base for various hobbies/activities via groups like gardening, mountaineering, etc. People use Facebook for the community. I hate Meta as much as anybody, but it is good for many things.
So all my “friends” are actually ads?
Guess I don’t need to use Facebook
I've never had an issue with any of the changes Facebook has made over the past 5 years.
That's because I haven't used facebook at all.
Loooooooooooool as if there was a single fuckin thing on Facebook I wanted to see badly enough to disable my ad blocker.
pretty bold of them.
at least youtube actually offers a valuable service in return.
Sorry, you don't appreciate getting the highlight reel of everyone else's life to make yourself feel inferior?
Actually I do, it actually makes me feel superior for not being dumb enough to project that shit out into the ether 😂
It would be funny if the ad blocking community just ignored this, and focused on removing FB tracking on external sites.
That's what I'm using the ghostery browser addon for. They are pretty effective with external tracker removals.
Great for the internet! More people will install an adblocker (hopefully ublock origin).
why would this lead to more adblocker installs? it's a message about already having one
Like it backfired for YouTube, it will be the case for Facebook. People become aware of them through the news it generates.
While i like ublock and use it myself, i hope not everyone uses it! There need to be different adblockers. Same as just one browser, or one forum is vulnerable to different things, so would adblocks be.
I agree that it's better to have multiple options. The issue with adblockers I often see is that they are adware themselves when not malware. With ublock origin, you can block contents of various types and not just ads. I prefer people having ublock origin than any bad option out there.
Oh no! Anyway...
It didn't even say please
At least try to be polite so I can politely say go f yourself
How many of yall are still using facebook? Be honest.
I stopped in 2015. For all I care, load it to the rim with ads. Hopefully, more people will come off it because of it.
I use it for marketplace though it's not my favourite. More tire-kickers and scammers on FB than craigslist.
I think my friends who use social media still use messenger for group chats.
Only when searching for cars on Marketplace, as there isn't any other site or platforms with the amount of listings that fb has
I thought they discontinued selling cars there?
Certainly not where I live, not sure in the US
I looked it up. They discontinued allowing businesses to post vehicles on Facebook Marketplace.
Ah, yeah that makes sense
it's more like I have it and sometimes visit to see if something happened
I log in once a week since I'm in a few useful groups, but haven't posted in a solid decade.
I have a fake profile with my real name on there just to troll around my extended family as they use it. Even that is insufferable for me.
Everyone should be using the Facebook addon "Facebook Purity" if they are still using the platform. I've been using it for over a decade and I can't stand using Facebook without it…
They are always a few steps ahead of Facebook and work well with other blockers.
Not only that, you can block specific parts of Facebook, not just the adverts. You can block the shorts, people you know, groups, keywords, and even whole topics.
You can change settings, like how you see your feed and it will stay changed.
Changing the font size, type, spacing in addition a bunch of color and night mode options are just icing on the cake.
In my professional opinion, it's the only way of working with that platform is not harmful to one's sanity.
Anything that blocks wordle posts would be welcome
People still do Wordle? I thought that was a trend that blew up and died a while ago.
God I wish that was the case
What a shame.
Uh yeah, I paid for YouTube Premium, I purged my accounts on Facebook, they are not the same. It does make me happy when platforms that abuse their privilege like Facebook begin doing things that will bring them closer to their end.
Anyone got a Facebook Suggested filter that actually works?
Yes, but you'll have to remove the stock Facebook app from your phone, which may require root access.
I don't need an app. I was hoping for a userscript or something.
Oh, I don't have an app to recommend. I just suggest you uninstall Facebook.
Did that long ago. I sign in on the web from time to time just to let people know I'm still alive.
This worked: Fluff Busting Purity
Although not certain how safe it actually is. Seems like the extension exists since 2009 and is still regularly updated. But it can not be found on Firefox native Addon database.
I'm sure there isn't, but it feels like that kind of wording should be reportable to someone
They reworded it to make it seem like it was the adblocker's fault you were losing friend posts, speaking as if the ads were a second thought
When adblockers don't actually target posts, meaning facebook would have to be the ones doing it.
🥲 I have a friend !
I don't care for Facebook one bit... but it's alarming to see ANOTHER platform trying to block adblockers. First YouTube, then APKMirror, and now Facebook. Great... can't wait to enter the adblocker blocking web era. Fucking Google, always making shit worse.
Yeah it amuses me that someone somewhere must be like 'gosh they are blocking our ads' when in reality if they shame me for blocking their egregious ads I usually just go to a different site rather than update my filters.
I have started seeing anti adblockers banners since last year or two way before YouTube started blocking adblockers.
I actually got a notice like this several months ago even before YouTube did theirs.
If anything, Facebook's quite infamous for trying to combat and blockers in general. I remember back then when they obfuscated their web layout so much that it got tricky for some to filter or block sponsored or recommended content.
I love how both Meta and YT will Barbara Streisand Ad Blockers into the spotlight. Most people do not use ad blockers and all these News will make them more aware of it.
Since Facebook was blocked by roscomnadzor nobody miss it. This is how bad it was.
To be fair, what is roscomnadzor and why do I care if it blocked Facebook?
Quick search indicates they are a Russian cybersecurity agency incharge of locking down Russian internet. Similar to NSA in USA.
Got some laughs. No, it is censorship agency.
Closest to cybersecurity agency would be ФСТЭК.
Why would anyone care what Russians use?
Which ad blocker do you use that prompted this? I use unlock origin and response policy zones and I haven't seen this yet.
Ublock Origin and Ghostery (more for tracker blocking than ads, but it does both).
Reminder that Facebook hates you and pays people to develop ways to manipulate and control your behavior. Request to download your account data, delete your account, and go outside. It's less scary than you're making it and you'll feel better in the end.
Great. Can't wait for this update to reach mobile devices. More people need to realize how scammy these tech mega-corps are.