I wonder why there isn't an army of people in this thread telling us how it costs money to host a social networking platform and we shouldn't expect something for nothing a website has a right to charge users for access and if you don't like it then don't use it?
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with charging for API access but the amount they're charging is ridiculous. Most reddit/lemmy apps pay for the imgur api, for example. Only difference is that imgur wants significantly less money than reddit so it's sustainable for app developers.
I do think there's a bit of merit to that, but I think the way it was approached and leveled at the community was really what created the true problem.
There wasn't much tact or frank honesty about the situation, Reddit and Huffman bred a sort of hostile environment by setting the tone. I could sympathize with the logical reason, but not with the execution and true personality that it belied.
Wow that sucks, It just sucks even more that a good portion of the Reddit Fanbase doesn't want to even try other platforms such as Lemmy which give much better user experiences in the end.
I recommend Stealth for Android. You can subscribe to subreddits and get nsfw access, and all this without an account. Only con for people might be not being able to sign it, but I don't see not being able to comment or interact as a con with the benefit being less account based information being collected.
Are you on Android? I use boost for reddit, as well as boost for lemmy... Its a great app. To use it for reddit just create a random sub and become a mod. Any name just create a sub, then it will let you log into boost... Full access and a great user experience...
Boost will only work if you're a mod... There is a guide to use ReVanced to make it work but it's buggy... Just create a sub and become a mod and you should be good to go. Even NSFW works if you're interested.... Definately download it
Someone should put together some lists of instances to block for new users. Only English for example. Lemmy seems like opposite reddit, you block communities not subscribe to them. It's taken me months to block enough that my feed has mostly things I care to look at. My blocked list is miles long, I think I've subscribed to 50 but I never browse it, it's so slow moving.
Idk honestly. Lemmy is quite an echo chamber in terms of tech stuff especially. I think reddit having much more content of all different types can make it a better user experience for most people. I find it hard to suggest lemmy for the average user who just wants to see memes and discussions based on their hobbies and interests. Lemmy is a lot less diverse.
@Neve8028 I know I for one have been trying to fix it in the gaming sense talking about the games I enjoy on communities I rather find or make myself. Hopefully more topics get explored and filled in the near future.
I’m using Memmy on iPhone and it’s awesome, very similar to Apollo. Custom gestures, themes, hide read posts, etc. Can’t recommend it enough to my iOS homies
Long before the APIcalypse, I was thinking of quitting Reddit. Now that everything went downhill, that decision became super easy.
I wasn’t really getting that much benefit out of Reddit, so it wasn’t a big deal. Spending time there was more like bad habit to me. The mere thought of paying for a bad habit sounds so absurd that quitting would have been absolutely mandatory at that point.
Fortunately though, Reddit already made the process so much easier simply buy kicking out my favorite client app.
Same here, it had been several months where I felt that the general quality had been declining. As soon as the AMA was done and nothing was answered I deleted the app (RiF).
Sadly I still miss some niche communities, but I've been finding substitutes
I know, right? It was like a steady stream of assholes, habitual doom scrolling, and occasionally a few good topics or people chatting.
I made a pact to stop using Reddit as soon as Infinity stopped working for me. It worked for months, but when it stopped, I held myself to it. Not only did I deactivate my account, I used a service to overwrite all of my content, and also then delete it beforehand. My mental health has been recovering steadily ever since.
Even if I did get something positive out of it, I refuse to be part of an ecosystem run that treats it's users and volunteers with such open hostility. The whole saga with Spez lying and bullshitting to make other people look bad, and the pro-corporate bots that popped up from time to time turned me off it entirely. I miss it sometimes, but what's the point of having a sense of ethics or personal conviction if you shrug your shoulders and do what you want regardless of whether you know you should?
It's like someone claiming to be a vegetarian, but they eat meat whenever they feel like it because it tastes good.
When I joined Reddit I noticed that it’s too easy to end up doomscrolling and arguing with idiots. That’s why I stayed away from r/all and any sub that’s all about news and/politics. The only exception was r/europe, because I think it’s good to know something about the region that actually influences my life.
In order to avoid wasting time on stupid idiont nonsense, I focused on science and technology subs along with some very specific niche subs. That way Reddit was actually able to provide some benefit from time to time.
I made a Lemmy account before the Reddit Blackout, and I’ve been here ever since. After the blackout ended, I visited Reddit every week at first, but now it’s more like once a month at most. In order to make the transition faster, I unsubscribed from everything except all the protest, blackout, API etc. related subs. So if I go to Reddit now, I’ll just see people complaining about Reddit. If I go to r/all it’s about as useless as it was years ago, so there’s no reason to spend time in there.
Reddit has a lot more tracking and fingerprinting going on in their own app too that they obviously want you there for. Once you log into multiple accounts, it fingerprints you as the same user on all accounts. I had a few accounts; a work related one and a couple personal ones. Ended up with a temporary ban on one from a dick head mod, and ALL of them got banned together for 7 days because of that with a message (forget the exact wording so I'm paraphrasing) basically saying "don't try to make another account to get around the ban because we'll still know its you". They're mining the shit out of user data now, and also really starting to connect the dots on multiple account holders which I'm guessing will be to "deal with" people who detract from their IPO goals. Glad I left.
I wonder if those devs, still playing along with Reddit Inc. outrageous prices, aren't coding access to other platforms behind the scenes. It would be a decent approach to retain their userbase, while gently encouraging it to migrate.
Note that it is not in the main F-Droid repo yet. Coming soon, but you currently have to add the IzzyOnDroid repo. Instructions at the top of this page https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/
because f-droid's criteria is restrictive to some otherwise good apps. and they take some time to add apps to official repo.
think of izzyondroid like a beta-testing repo.
You can compile the infinity APK yourself with your own free API key and continue to use it. There are guides and automated scripts available that can do this for you.
My favorite bit of irony is how spez was throwing shade at third party apps for having the audacity to "profit" off reddits's work for free, when that is reddits's entire business model.
For some reason, Spaz thinks he's Musk. It's funny that Spaz is destroying reddit the same way Mush destroyed twitter, well... not funny "ha ha", but funny 'odd'.
Well in the reddit case there's a payoff and then one gets to walk away from the sinking ship. They just need to get things pumped up for the IPO and then who cares what happens from there. It's time to cash out and it becomes someone else's problem to deal with.
This IPO is the only thing that going to give them anything remotely near Musk money and it's not going to anywhere near at much where one can crash and burn another social media site for the hell of it...
This is their way of destroying global communication. We the people were organising using their sites. That obviously couldn't happen so they threw the toys out of the pram and its worked. There is less of a global forum with reddit and twitter fkd.
Damn. I never thought about it like that. You're right, but at the same time I see Lemmy way more focused on important matters we should pay attention to. With actual discussion within, not just bullshit bots slinging nonsense to steer the conversations. Granted lemmy def leans a certain way depending on where you are but it's mostly what the majority is already thinking. They may have fucked themselves in that aspect. Driving us to be more centralized with less noise to interfere. Idk, but good point.
That's gonna backfire because now we have alternatives that aren't owned by companies that can be coerced by any two bit dictatorship with profits. They're driving people right to.the fediverse with is way worse for them
If it's a group organisation without any restriction to entry then it is the common person's voice. Do you not think that together we can work towards a better tomorrow?
I'm happy to buy an app, but I will not pay a $3 subscription for just an app and access to a repository of user generated content. I know the Infinity devs don't really have a choice, but this pricing model is ridiculous!
First Apolo, then Narwal, Alíen Blue barely works, but not able to log in or search for particular sub, which was the main reason I was still using it. No longer a redditor, I identify Ada Lemmor
Edit- I’m going to leave it like that. You win auto correct
If I had been given the option to pay $3 or $5 a month in June to continue using Apollo to access Reddit with no restrictions (NSFW) I would have considered it. I trust Christian’s assessment that it wasn’t financially viable, though. The dev of this app admits at $3 they basically make nothing. If the app cannot be funded (aka dev make a living) Reddit is overcharging for what they provide and can go fuck themselves.
This basically still supports what Christian said in June…and still shows why Reddit was so stupid and toxic that they wouldn’t try to tweak the api dollar amounts to make it sustainable.
Fuck spez still. I admire what these devs are trying to do but Reddit does not want them to succeed, and Reddit does not want people using their apps…so it’s a losing battle
It's like reading the Kobe Bryant autopsy report. Yeah it's awful, but it happened a long time ago and he was instantly dead before the really awful stuff happened anyway.
It's a paradigm that defeats itself. Reddit is basically reselling access to shit that users freely submit. They start removing access from users who don't want to pay or use the official (bad experience) app, and they will necessarily have fewer submissions and less content.
If its a hassle to go there and use it, and the payment structure disincentivizes their young demographic from using it, it is no longer the "cool kid" corner of the internet, which further removes the reason why other people would want to pay for it.
Imagine I'm a hypothetical Reddit user under the new model - what would be my incentive to pay them for the privilege of posting links, quality text posts, my girlfriends tits, or anything else for that matter?
If you're on Android, download boost for reddit (best app for reddit if you ask me). Create a random sub and become a mod, sign into boost and profit... Full access to an app thats not reddits BS app with NSFW...
Did you do the ReVanced "mod"? I did and it was working fine for a while ... Then I got a new phone and the "mod" didn't work. So I did a clean install of boost and created a subreddit who I'm the Mod of and it let me log in immediately
Here's the thing, reddit hopes so too. Reddit's goal isn't to make money on 3rd party apps, it's to price the api high enough to draw people to their free ad riddled dumpster fire of an app. It's the same reason you can't get nsfw subs on the api.
For once I'm with reddit (on people using third party apps but reasons are different where reddit wanted to no longer compete with third party apps, and I don't want people giving reddit money after the end of the protest). I'd prefer third party apps be dead for good if mobile plan type subscriptions are necessary to exist (by this I mean the third party apps need subscriptions to exist because of reddit's decision to charge for api which they aren't going to change because people were unwilling to quit during the protest, and showed reddit they are too addicted to stay away. So now the aftermath for users is either pay or don't, and I'd rather people not pay reddit money. Better off quitting mobile use than pay money is my stance.).
So the few hold outs now either give into using reddit app like reddit wants or go through the process of getting third party apps to work for free. Or use the website or preferably move to not contributing to reddit anymore through mobile, and just moving to lurker status through rss or accountless apps like Stealth for Android.
"Necessary to exist" is a bit of a stretch. Reddit is vastly overcharging for the api, as evidenced by what other sites charge apps for similar service.
Reddit charging so much for api access is them solving a problem they invented with the express purpose of killing free 3rd party apps.
Saying you're with reddit on this is essentially saying you like the way they're handling the problem they created to benefit themselves.
I just have yet to be convinced that paying to use it is a good thing regardless of reddit's intention.
I only see the grip reddit on its users where even negative users are still dedicated to point of being willing to pay access reddit. Which is nice dedication to see for Reddit where all the vocal talk has turned out to be nothing but talk.
And Lemmy wouldn't be as popular as it is now (along with other sites like Tildes getting a huge spike in users) unless people switched away from Reddit. So I don't think it was all talk.
If you want proof that a lot of power users left Reddit, just look at the front page. Lots and lots of garbage subs that have a theme of "am I ugly" or "rate me."
I'm not sure about your point either. Is it advocating for paying reddit for api usage through third party apps?
Mine was just that I wish people would stop giving in and paying to use reddit. Protest is over. It's now either people are paying for Reddit api or they aren't and I'd rather they didn't.
I'm not advocating for paying for the api. There are a few ways to use reddit's api without paying for it. All I'm saying is that you're paying for reddit no matter what. If it's not through a third party app, it's ads.
What I said earlier, and to your point of "people are either paying for reddit api or they aren't" is that ditching the third party app is the entire purpose of the move reddit did. Whether or not you agree with the new structure, standing with reddit is supporting the deterioration of the site in favor of reddit making more money.
(Also, wolf359 isn't me. They responded, but I'm also responding)
You seem to forget that without third party apps we would not have had a mobile Reddit experience for a long long time. The official Reddit app, in fact, was once a third party app. The subscription is only necessary because Reddit decided to nuke all other apps by pricing them out of the game. You really shouldn't side with Reddit on this one
When I say side with reddit it's just that on the part of being against people using third party apps we are on the same page.
Reason is different. Reddit wants to get rid of third party apps. Me because I don't want people to pay Reddit api access. There is no changing reddit's mind anymore. The api protest is over. Either you are rewarding reddit with money or you aren't.
People being so addicted they have to pay to use a mobile app instead of quitting at least on mobile, and moving to browser if they really have to doesn't come across as some stance to me. It just comes across like people who complain about broken video game launches while being the first to pre-order.
At this point the situation is what it is because people don't do the simple thing of quitting. All these reasoning for why they want to pay for third party access seem empty when their actions are why the third party api protest ended in failure, and the ones willing to pay are one of the bigger culprits with how they can't stay away.
I also find disgusting that people have to pay to use the Reddit app of their choice. It sucks. Rewarding Reddit for their outrageous stance is bad.
These folks, however, are willing to pay a subscription, receive ads and not have any NSFW communities. Imagine how bad the official app is that people would rather pay for less content. Imagine defending that these people shouldn't be able to have alternatives that suit them better. Jeez.
I imagine they also weren't even willing to quit using reddit for even a week or even a couple of days, since during the api protest I saw so many who got mad at the idea of being without reddit for even a day for even meme subs that aren't a resource. Pretty much why they now find themselves in a situation of paying for a worse experience, since they showed reddit that their threats were empty.
The people don't want to do the simple thing of quitting, but that's because through their manipulative actions places like Reddit have become essential in some people's lives. I don't blame the people addicted for creating cigarettes, I see it similar to that. There are many well researched techniques companies like Reddit use to keep people using their services. It's a bigger issue than the people addicted, but I do agree with your general point.
Reason I have difficulty empathizing is because I'm in the same boat as them as being a reddit user. It's not like I'm expecting them to do something hard like a complete boycott of reddit, but just stop reddit mobile use whether its the official app or subscription options. And even provided options like rss for alerts and apps like Stealth for Android for lurking use which is a non account option where you can still get a custom feed and save posts with the only feature not being able to comment.
It's like saying just cut down smoking during the morning. So I don't think it's that demanding of an ask when it isn't even a boycott, but just saying to cut back a little.
Likely yes, because it seems most of the people use the atrocious official client instead of third party client. And access through that is of course still free, well, paid by ads obviously.
Why did everybody have to close down if costs are fully covered with a $2.99 subscription? I probably would have paid for reddit is fun at that price for myself and my wife. Assuming it stays ad free.
Everyone couldn't have. The more users you have using a app the higher the API hits, the higher the number of API hits the more you'd have the charge. So the more popular apps with the most users couldn't survive odd on just $2.99 a month and certainly not while continuing to update and upkeep that app (or those apps) because they wouldn't be making any money let alone enough to justify the work they'd be doing.
Additionally this isn't an ad free version of Reddit you'll be getting with this sub. It's still Reddit with ads.
Nope. For one thing borrowing the key would require the apps in question to provide the same accessibility options that allow redreader to be free in the first place. For another reason, it would be pretty obvious if it wasn't red reader because other 3rd party apps for Reddit are differently optimised and offer more features meaning more API hits meaning Reddit themselves would be able to easily tell the difference between redreader app users and other apps using the oauth key. They'd just blacklist those apps/users.
Further this could detrimentally affect redreader, making it harder on users who need those accessibility options. Don't ruin it for them just because Reddit is greedy. This isn't the user's fault.
To be fair, Infinity worked for me for months after the API bullshit went into effect; NSFW and everything. The dev seemed pretty cool in the one or two times I messaged them. It must suck they have to charge now.
Still, screw Reddit. Dropped it like a bad habit... Because it honestly was for me.
I wonder what they are going to do when computing really takes off? When you can run the whole internet's traffic on one blackwell-sized computer? Because I don't see the human population growing any time soon!
I'd much rather have a smaller functioning social media than a larger, mainstream one that gets sucked dry for everything it's worth for capitalist gain
A downwards tendency immediately after such a huge peak was to be expected, since retention will be never 100%. Some people arrive when they're overexcited, the "fire" inside them burns out, and then they leave for somewhere else. As such I wouldn't say that Lemmy is doing so bad.
And for Reddit, the very fact that this exodus happened - even if temporary - is already a sign that Reddit isn't doing so well. It means that some people actively fought against their inertia to avoid the platform, even if it's large and already well established.
Another factor to consider is who left Reddit. The APIcalypse and "landed gentry lol" fiasco didn't affect all cohorts of the userbase the same way.
That's mostly true, the problem is not Linux. It's Windows power users that get butthurt when they realize they are not computer experts but merely Windows power users and get salty and they blame Linux. Like the guy above... literally the problem he is having has nothing to do with Linux. The fact is Linux is great for average users and it's great for advanced users. The only people that have problems with it are Windows power users... or what I like to refer to as the LTT gamer bros.
It's a Steam problem if it only happens in Steam. The only person that is coping is you because you can't solve a problem that is easily fixable so you cry about Linux when the real deficit is between your ears.
Okay, then tell me how to fix it. You say it's easily fixable, tell me.
Or do what everyone else does, tell me how I'm stupid, the problem is me, and then refuse to help fix this "easily fixable" issue. It's because you don't know how to fix it, but you can't admit Linux is broken.
Your personal experience doesn't matter when people that have much more experience than you and actually understand the differences tell you.
You're just too stupid to know, Dunning-Kruger effect here.
I can give plenty of examples of things working better in Linux that don't work or run like shit in Windows. Your one little example is literally meaningless.
Here's a new thread. See how the first reply is also talking about how this is a common issue, and links to a post from January 2015?
Steam on Linux has been broken for a decade and there's no concrete fix. Sorry your OS is garbage.
The fact all of the Linux nerds who defend Linux and tell me how great it is can't even tell me how to fix it. I thought Linux was so awesome, just worked, and you have full control over it? So then, smarty pants, tell me how to fix this issue that has been an issue for over a decade. I'll wait.
Meanwhile I'll keep downloading games on Windows at 1900Mbps.
Here’s a new thread. See how the first reply is also talking about how this is a common issue, and links to a post from January 2015?
Again, doesn't matter if others have had the problem, because there is a way to fix it and plenty of distros ship with it fixed out of the box. Just because you picked a distro that has the problem, and you are too dumb to fix it doesn't mean linux is broken. Having a choice in distros and packages is a fundamental principle of linux and that sets it apart from Windows where users have no choices.
How about in Windows when I plug my gopro into it and double click on a video file that it takes 10 seconds before it will start playing? In linux it starts playing instantly. Have you ever tried to run docker services in Windows? It's an absolute shitshow, but in linux it works flawlessly. See? I can give plenty examples of things working like shit in Windows that work perfectly in Linux. You actually are just an idiot, with no experience, and no idea how computer systems work.
What about setting custom keyboard shortcuts? Can't do it in Windows to the extent of Linux. What about fully customizing your desktop environment? Can't do it in Windows. But you think Windows just works? Nah bro, Windows doesn't work at all in my opinion when you can't do basic things like control and customize it. You have different priorities, you think "just working" means your shitty ass games run. I think just working means I have full control and customization and ownership over my box so I don't have to put up with ass desktop environment and ads and telemetry data.
So just keep trying to cope with the fact that you're an idiot and you need to used a dumbed down OS that sends off telemetry data and forces ads on you. It's okay. You're a dumb dumb and are willing to put up with the shitshow of Windows. It's okay if you cope by shitting on the superior OS, but it just makes you look like an idiot at the end of the day.
Pay a subscription to be fed ads. Reddit has become cable television.
I wonder why there isn't an army of people in this thread telling us how it costs money to host a social networking platform and we shouldn't expect something for nothing a website has a right to charge users for access and if you don't like it then don't use it?
Like in the YouTube threads. 🤔
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with charging for API access but the amount they're charging is ridiculous. Most reddit/lemmy apps pay for the imgur api, for example. Only difference is that imgur wants significantly less money than reddit so it's sustainable for app developers.
That makes me think how a lot can be summed up as: people want to support what they love, but don't want to be taken advantage of.
I love being fucked. Being raped, not so much.
I do think there's a bit of merit to that, but I think the way it was approached and leveled at the community was really what created the true problem.
There wasn't much tact or frank honesty about the situation, Reddit and Huffman bred a sort of hostile environment by setting the tone. I could sympathize with the logical reason, but not with the execution and true personality that it belied.
Yup, Reddit’s CEO is really taking cues from Musk and that’s just gross.
Because they would be absolutely right and that's why I don't use reddit anymore.
Because the people complaining about YouTube ads are whiney, self righteous twats that deserve to be wound up.
Wow that sucks, It just sucks even more that a good portion of the Reddit Fanbase doesn't want to even try other platforms such as Lemmy which give much better user experiences in the end.
Lemmy not pulling in Reddit's general audience and Lemmy having a better user experience than Reddit are highly correlated.
My Reddit usage is highly correlated with whether or not I'm at my desk.
I feel like I need to wash my hands after opening the official Reddit app on my phone.
I recommend Stealth for Android. You can subscribe to subreddits and get nsfw access, and all this without an account. Only con for people might be not being able to sign it, but I don't see not being able to comment or interact as a con with the benefit being less account based information being collected.
Are you on Android? I use boost for reddit, as well as boost for lemmy... Its a great app. To use it for reddit just create a random sub and become a mod. Any name just create a sub, then it will let you log into boost... Full access and a great user experience...
Ohh is that why boost still works? I should reinstall it.
Boost will only work if you're a mod... There is a guide to use ReVanced to make it work but it's buggy... Just create a sub and become a mod and you should be good to go. Even NSFW works if you're interested.... Definately download it
Someone should put together some lists of instances to block for new users. Only English for example. Lemmy seems like opposite reddit, you block communities not subscribe to them. It's taken me months to block enough that my feed has mostly things I care to look at. My blocked list is miles long, I think I've subscribed to 50 but I never browse it, it's so slow moving.
Idk honestly. Lemmy is quite an echo chamber in terms of tech stuff especially. I think reddit having much more content of all different types can make it a better user experience for most people. I find it hard to suggest lemmy for the average user who just wants to see memes and discussions based on their hobbies and interests. Lemmy is a lot less diverse.
yeah I wish we had more variety unfortunately I don't have time to commit myself to be a mod for a community here
@Neve8028 I know I for one have been trying to fix it in the gaming sense talking about the games I enjoy on communities I rather find or make myself. Hopefully more topics get explored and filled in the near future.
You're 100% right about that. Try mentioning a web browser that isn't Firefox for a good example.
actually you should be using waterfox / librefox
There's great lemmy apps too like Connect for Lemmy which has become my favorite. Handles multiple instances well and good filtering settings.
I’m using Memmy on iPhone and it’s awesome, very similar to Apollo. Custom gestures, themes, hide read posts, etc. Can’t recommend it enough to my iOS homies
I used Memmy for a while (actually since I created this acount during “the incident”) and recently swapped to Avelon id suggest to check it out
I still have Memmy installed but Avelon is my personal go to
I use that app on my iPad it has been a nice replacement for Apollo.
I used Memmy for a while (actually since I created this acount during “the incident”) and recently swapped to Avelon id suggest to check it out
I still have Memmy installed but Avelon is my personal go to
I used Memmy for a while (actually since I created this acount during “the incident”) and recently swapped to Avelon id suggest to check it out
I still have Memmy installed but Avelon is my personal go to
Using Boost for Lemmy on Android! It has such a nice interface.
Long before the APIcalypse, I was thinking of quitting Reddit. Now that everything went downhill, that decision became super easy.
I wasn’t really getting that much benefit out of Reddit, so it wasn’t a big deal. Spending time there was more like bad habit to me. The mere thought of paying for a bad habit sounds so absurd that quitting would have been absolutely mandatory at that point.
Fortunately though, Reddit already made the process so much easier simply buy kicking out my favorite client app.
Same here, it had been several months where I felt that the general quality had been declining. As soon as the AMA was done and nothing was answered I deleted the app (RiF).
Sadly I still miss some niche communities, but I've been finding substitutes
I missed the unexpected factorial sub, so I made a spiritual successor for it.
![email protected]
unexpectedfactorial
If you miss a particular sub, see if a replacement already exists somewhere in the lemmyverse. If it does, participate in it. If not, make one.
I've been trying to be a little more active, since I mainly only lurked it's a bit extrange for me.
Eventually I may try to start a community
I know, right? It was like a steady stream of assholes, habitual doom scrolling, and occasionally a few good topics or people chatting.
I made a pact to stop using Reddit as soon as Infinity stopped working for me. It worked for months, but when it stopped, I held myself to it. Not only did I deactivate my account, I used a service to overwrite all of my content, and also then delete it beforehand. My mental health has been recovering steadily ever since.
Even if I did get something positive out of it, I refuse to be part of an ecosystem run that treats it's users and volunteers with such open hostility. The whole saga with Spez lying and bullshitting to make other people look bad, and the pro-corporate bots that popped up from time to time turned me off it entirely. I miss it sometimes, but what's the point of having a sense of ethics or personal conviction if you shrug your shoulders and do what you want regardless of whether you know you should?
It's like someone claiming to be a vegetarian, but they eat meat whenever they feel like it because it tastes good.
When I joined Reddit I noticed that it’s too easy to end up doomscrolling and arguing with idiots. That’s why I stayed away from r/all and any sub that’s all about news and/politics. The only exception was r/europe, because I think it’s good to know something about the region that actually influences my life.
In order to avoid wasting time on stupid idiont nonsense, I focused on science and technology subs along with some very specific niche subs. That way Reddit was actually able to provide some benefit from time to time.
I made a Lemmy account before the Reddit Blackout, and I’ve been here ever since. After the blackout ended, I visited Reddit every week at first, but now it’s more like once a month at most. In order to make the transition faster, I unsubscribed from everything except all the protest, blackout, API etc. related subs. So if I go to Reddit now, I’ll just see people complaining about Reddit. If I go to r/all it’s about as useless as it was years ago, so there’s no reason to spend time in there.
Reddit has a lot more tracking and fingerprinting going on in their own app too that they obviously want you there for. Once you log into multiple accounts, it fingerprints you as the same user on all accounts. I had a few accounts; a work related one and a couple personal ones. Ended up with a temporary ban on one from a dick head mod, and ALL of them got banned together for 7 days because of that with a message (forget the exact wording so I'm paraphrasing) basically saying "don't try to make another account to get around the ban because we'll still know its you". They're mining the shit out of user data now, and also really starting to connect the dots on multiple account holders which I'm guessing will be to "deal with" people who detract from their IPO goals. Glad I left.
I wonder if those devs, still playing along with Reddit Inc. outrageous prices, aren't coding access to other platforms behind the scenes. It would be a decent approach to retain their userbase, while gently encouraging it to migrate.
That's what BOOST did. Basically a 1:1 transition from reddit to lemmy after the API died.
Released Narwhal 2 right in time for most people to never use it.
For those who don't know: Eternity (for Lemmy) is a fork of Infinity (for Reddit).
That's what I use, and it's great! I have been using Infinity with reddit for many years before switching.
Yup, I use it as well. Fantastic app which costs nothing and is available on F-droid.
Note that it is not in the main F-Droid repo yet. Coming soon, but you currently have to add the IzzyOnDroid repo. Instructions at the top of this page https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/
whats the diffefemce between izzy and f repos
izzyondroid is maintained by Izzy, a single dev. whereas fdroid's repo is official repo for f-droid.
why wpuld one perso make their own repo
because f-droid's criteria is restrictive to some otherwise good apps. and they take some time to add apps to official repo.
think of izzyondroid like a beta-testing repo.
Dangit that's literally what I'm working on haha!
For some reason, I love forks who are named with a word that has a very similar concept to the original one.
Infinity, it's Eternity but more science-y.
Thanks for this.
Is this an Antimatter Dimensions reference?
You can compile the infinity APK yourself with your own free API key and continue to use it. There are guides and automated scripts available that can do this for you.
Thats cool to know. Thanks!
i tried doing a packet capture in genymotion to get the redreader api key
headers had http bearer
My favorite bit of irony is how spez was throwing shade at third party apps for having the audacity to "profit" off reddits's work for free, when that is reddits's entire business model.
For some reason, Spaz thinks he's Musk. It's funny that Spaz is destroying reddit the same way Mush destroyed twitter, well... not funny "ha ha", but funny 'odd'.
How stupid must they be?
Well in the reddit case there's a payoff and then one gets to walk away from the sinking ship. They just need to get things pumped up for the IPO and then who cares what happens from there. It's time to cash out and it becomes someone else's problem to deal with.
This IPO is the only thing that going to give them anything remotely near Musk money and it's not going to anywhere near at much where one can crash and burn another social media site for the hell of it...
This is their way of destroying global communication. We the people were organising using their sites. That obviously couldn't happen so they threw the toys out of the pram and its worked. There is less of a global forum with reddit and twitter fkd.
Damn. I never thought about it like that. You're right, but at the same time I see Lemmy way more focused on important matters we should pay attention to. With actual discussion within, not just bullshit bots slinging nonsense to steer the conversations. Granted lemmy def leans a certain way depending on where you are but it's mostly what the majority is already thinking. They may have fucked themselves in that aspect. Driving us to be more centralized with less noise to interfere. Idk, but good point.
That's gonna backfire because now we have alternatives that aren't owned by companies that can be coerced by any two bit dictatorship with profits. They're driving people right to.the fediverse with is way worse for them
umm... this "we the people" shit needs to come to a halt. Your "we" doesn't include "me", so the "we" part is overreach.
"You A Person" I can buy - but "we" ain't "we" pal.
If it's a group organisation without any restriction to entry then it is the common person's voice. Do you not think that together we can work towards a better tomorrow?
It's the common person's voice with access to that medium.
I'm happy to buy an app, but I will not pay a $3 subscription for just an app and access to a repository of user generated content. I know the Infinity devs don't really have a choice, but this pricing model is ridiculous!
I don't even want to buy an app for social media. Since Reddit sells your data I just can't be interested in purchasing access to my info being sold.
Narwhal prompted similarly. Haven’t even thought to look since. It’s dead to me now.
Relay for reddit was my choice for years and years.
As soon as that subscription deal popped up I uninstalled.
Hated to do that.. but I'm not paying reddit to feed me user generated content.
Boost for lemmy is the way now.
I could have written this comment word for word, except I'm on Sync now.
First Apolo, then Narwal, Alíen Blue barely works, but not able to log in or search for particular sub, which was the main reason I was still using it. No longer a redditor, I identify Ada Lemmor
Edit- I’m going to leave it like that. You win auto correct
Nice to meet you Ada Lemmor
If I had been given the option to pay $3 or $5 a month in June to continue using Apollo to access Reddit with no restrictions (NSFW) I would have considered it. I trust Christian’s assessment that it wasn’t financially viable, though. The dev of this app admits at $3 they basically make nothing. If the app cannot be funded (aka dev make a living) Reddit is overcharging for what they provide and can go fuck themselves.
This basically still supports what Christian said in June…and still shows why Reddit was so stupid and toxic that they wouldn’t try to tweak the api dollar amounts to make it sustainable.
Fuck spez still. I admire what these devs are trying to do but Reddit does not want them to succeed, and Reddit does not want people using their apps…so it’s a losing battle
This is like seeing a photo of a friend that got murdered three months after they got killed just highlighting the corpse that is left.
It's like reading the Kobe Bryant autopsy report. Yeah it's awful, but it happened a long time ago and he was instantly dead before the really awful stuff happened anyway.
I love the pattern of prices. Price goes down but the last option is the most expensive.
It's a paradigm that defeats itself. Reddit is basically reselling access to shit that users freely submit. They start removing access from users who don't want to pay or use the official (bad experience) app, and they will necessarily have fewer submissions and less content.
If its a hassle to go there and use it, and the payment structure disincentivizes their young demographic from using it, it is no longer the "cool kid" corner of the internet, which further removes the reason why other people would want to pay for it.
Imagine I'm a hypothetical Reddit user under the new model - what would be my incentive to pay them for the privilege of posting links, quality text posts, my girlfriends tits, or anything else for that matter?
Pay for API access but still no NSFW.
If you're on Android, download boost for reddit (best app for reddit if you ask me). Create a random sub and become a mod, sign into boost and profit... Full access to an app thats not reddits BS app with NSFW...
Haven't been able to log in for days now 🙁
Did you do the ReVanced "mod"? I did and it was working fine for a while ... Then I got a new phone and the "mod" didn't work. So I did a clean install of boost and created a subreddit who I'm the Mod of and it let me log in immediately
I hope the people who are willing to pay a monthly subscription on reddit are a very miniscule portion of the user base.
Here's the thing, reddit hopes so too. Reddit's goal isn't to make money on 3rd party apps, it's to price the api high enough to draw people to their free ad riddled dumpster fire of an app. It's the same reason you can't get nsfw subs on the api.
For once I'm with reddit (on people using third party apps but reasons are different where reddit wanted to no longer compete with third party apps, and I don't want people giving reddit money after the end of the protest). I'd prefer third party apps be dead for good if mobile plan type subscriptions are necessary to exist (by this I mean the third party apps need subscriptions to exist because of reddit's decision to charge for api which they aren't going to change because people were unwilling to quit during the protest, and showed reddit they are too addicted to stay away. So now the aftermath for users is either pay or don't, and I'd rather people not pay reddit money. Better off quitting mobile use than pay money is my stance.).
So the few hold outs now either give into using reddit app like reddit wants or go through the process of getting third party apps to work for free. Or use the website or preferably move to not contributing to reddit anymore through mobile, and just moving to lurker status through rss or accountless apps like Stealth for Android.
"Necessary to exist" is a bit of a stretch. Reddit is vastly overcharging for the api, as evidenced by what other sites charge apps for similar service.
Reddit charging so much for api access is them solving a problem they invented with the express purpose of killing free 3rd party apps.
Saying you're with reddit on this is essentially saying you like the way they're handling the problem they created to benefit themselves.
I just have yet to be convinced that paying to use it is a good thing regardless of reddit's intention.
I only see the grip reddit on its users where even negative users are still dedicated to point of being willing to pay access reddit. Which is nice dedication to see for Reddit where all the vocal talk has turned out to be nothing but talk.
Not sure I even understand your point.
And Lemmy wouldn't be as popular as it is now (along with other sites like Tildes getting a huge spike in users) unless people switched away from Reddit. So I don't think it was all talk.
If you want proof that a lot of power users left Reddit, just look at the front page. Lots and lots of garbage subs that have a theme of "am I ugly" or "rate me."
I'm not sure about your point either. Is it advocating for paying reddit for api usage through third party apps?
Mine was just that I wish people would stop giving in and paying to use reddit. Protest is over. It's now either people are paying for Reddit api or they aren't and I'd rather they didn't.
I'm not advocating for paying for the api. There are a few ways to use reddit's api without paying for it. All I'm saying is that you're paying for reddit no matter what. If it's not through a third party app, it's ads.
What I said earlier, and to your point of "people are either paying for reddit api or they aren't" is that ditching the third party app is the entire purpose of the move reddit did. Whether or not you agree with the new structure, standing with reddit is supporting the deterioration of the site in favor of reddit making more money.
(Also, wolf359 isn't me. They responded, but I'm also responding)
You seem to forget that without third party apps we would not have had a mobile Reddit experience for a long long time. The official Reddit app, in fact, was once a third party app. The subscription is only necessary because Reddit decided to nuke all other apps by pricing them out of the game. You really shouldn't side with Reddit on this one
When I say side with reddit it's just that on the part of being against people using third party apps we are on the same page.
Reason is different. Reddit wants to get rid of third party apps. Me because I don't want people to pay Reddit api access. There is no changing reddit's mind anymore. The api protest is over. Either you are rewarding reddit with money or you aren't.
People being so addicted they have to pay to use a mobile app instead of quitting at least on mobile, and moving to browser if they really have to doesn't come across as some stance to me. It just comes across like people who complain about broken video game launches while being the first to pre-order.
At this point the situation is what it is because people don't do the simple thing of quitting. All these reasoning for why they want to pay for third party access seem empty when their actions are why the third party api protest ended in failure, and the ones willing to pay are one of the bigger culprits with how they can't stay away.
I also find disgusting that people have to pay to use the Reddit app of their choice. It sucks. Rewarding Reddit for their outrageous stance is bad.
These folks, however, are willing to pay a subscription, receive ads and not have any NSFW communities. Imagine how bad the official app is that people would rather pay for less content. Imagine defending that these people shouldn't be able to have alternatives that suit them better. Jeez.
I imagine they also weren't even willing to quit using reddit for even a week or even a couple of days, since during the api protest I saw so many who got mad at the idea of being without reddit for even a day for even meme subs that aren't a resource. Pretty much why they now find themselves in a situation of paying for a worse experience, since they showed reddit that their threats were empty.
The people don't want to do the simple thing of quitting, but that's because through their manipulative actions places like Reddit have become essential in some people's lives. I don't blame the people addicted for creating cigarettes, I see it similar to that. There are many well researched techniques companies like Reddit use to keep people using their services. It's a bigger issue than the people addicted, but I do agree with your general point.
Reason I have difficulty empathizing is because I'm in the same boat as them as being a reddit user. It's not like I'm expecting them to do something hard like a complete boycott of reddit, but just stop reddit mobile use whether its the official app or subscription options. And even provided options like rss for alerts and apps like Stealth for Android for lurking use which is a non account option where you can still get a custom feed and save posts with the only feature not being able to comment.
It's like saying just cut down smoking during the morning. So I don't think it's that demanding of an ask when it isn't even a boycott, but just saying to cut back a little.
Likely yes, because it seems most of the people use the atrocious official client instead of third party client. And access through that is of course still free, well, paid by ads obviously.
Honestly, I feel that way too but for independent creators, mostly open source things.
Why did everybody have to close down if costs are fully covered with a $2.99 subscription? I probably would have paid for reddit is fun at that price for myself and my wife. Assuming it stays ad free.
Everyone couldn't have. The more users you have using a app the higher the API hits, the higher the number of API hits the more you'd have the charge. So the more popular apps with the most users couldn't survive
oddon just $2.99 a month and certainly not while continuing to update and upkeep that app (or those apps) because they wouldn't be making any money let alone enough to justify the work they'd be doing.Additionally this isn't an ad free version of Reddit you'll be getting with this sub. It's still Reddit with ads.
Plus you need the $$$ before the API bill and there'll always be some amount of mismatch between the expected usage and actual usage of users
No NSFW content though
Yeah, I hope this kind of business never thieves.
... and people will do it.
As long as Redreader still works, other applications could just borrow the oauth key.
Nope. For one thing borrowing the key would require the apps in question to provide the same accessibility options that allow redreader to be free in the first place. For another reason, it would be pretty obvious if it wasn't red reader because other 3rd party apps for Reddit are differently optimised and offer more features meaning more API hits meaning Reddit themselves would be able to easily tell the difference between redreader app users and other apps using the oauth key. They'd just blacklist those apps/users.
Further this could detrimentally affect redreader, making it harder on users who need those accessibility options. Don't ruin it for them just because Reddit is greedy. This isn't the user's fault.
To be fair, Infinity worked for me for months after the API bullshit went into effect; NSFW and everything. The dev seemed pretty cool in the one or two times I messaged them. It must suck they have to charge now.
Still, screw Reddit. Dropped it like a bad habit... Because it honestly was for me.
I wonder what they are going to do when computing really takes off? When you can run the whole internet's traffic on one blackwell-sized computer? Because I don't see the human population growing any time soon!
Reddit is doing better than Lemmy. Have you seen Lemmy statistics lately? 📉
Edit: Lemmy users mad about facts.
I'd much rather have a smaller functioning social media than a larger, mainstream one that gets sucked dry for everything it's worth for capitalist gain
Growth is not everything
A downwards tendency immediately after such a huge peak was to be expected, since retention will be never 100%. Some people arrive when they're overexcited, the "fire" inside them burns out, and then they leave for somewhere else. As such I wouldn't say that Lemmy is doing so bad.
And for Reddit, the very fact that this exodus happened - even if temporary - is already a sign that Reddit isn't doing so well. It means that some people actively fought against their inertia to avoid the platform, even if it's large and already well established.
Another factor to consider is who left Reddit. The APIcalypse and "landed gentry lol" fiasco didn't affect all cohorts of the userbase the same way.
That’s ok a lot of the Reddit user base was garbage Facebook and TikTokers anyway since the last few years they can stay there in shit island
Ya because I got called a moron yesterday because Linux refuses to download steam games at max speed, and it's somehow my fault. Lol
Well yeah, Linux is perfect and any issues you have are because you're a fucking idiot and should just go back to windows.
/s but not really because someone said this to me once
That's mostly true, the problem is not Linux. It's Windows power users that get butthurt when they realize they are not computer experts but merely Windows power users and get salty and they blame Linux. Like the guy above... literally the problem he is having has nothing to do with Linux. The fact is Linux is great for average users and it's great for advanced users. The only people that have problems with it are Windows power users... or what I like to refer to as the LTT gamer bros.
So then what's the issue?
Steam downloads at 1900Mbps on Windows.
Steam downloads at 120Mbps on Linux.
Sounds like a Linux problem. Cope harder, though.
It's a Steam problem if it only happens in Steam. The only person that is coping is you because you can't solve a problem that is easily fixable so you cry about Linux when the real deficit is between your ears.
Okay, then tell me how to fix it. You say it's easily fixable, tell me.
Or do what everyone else does, tell me how I'm stupid, the problem is me, and then refuse to help fix this "easily fixable" issue. It's because you don't know how to fix it, but you can't admit Linux is broken.
I looked... you made stupid fucking statements about both Linux and Windows. Well deserved in my opinion.
How?
And the fact you think it's okay to call someone a moron because in their experience Windows works better, is insane.
Can't wait for Lemmy to fail. Oh wait, it already is. Stats go brrrr 📉📉📉
Your personal experience doesn't matter when people that have much more experience than you and actually understand the differences tell you.
You're just too stupid to know, Dunning-Kruger effect here.
I can give plenty of examples of things working better in Linux that don't work or run like shit in Windows. Your one little example is literally meaningless.
You're telling me that my experience means nothing because other people aren't having the issue?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/6717729343888060324/
Here's a new thread. See how the first reply is also talking about how this is a common issue, and links to a post from January 2015?
Steam on Linux has been broken for a decade and there's no concrete fix. Sorry your OS is garbage.
The fact all of the Linux nerds who defend Linux and tell me how great it is can't even tell me how to fix it. I thought Linux was so awesome, just worked, and you have full control over it? So then, smarty pants, tell me how to fix this issue that has been an issue for over a decade. I'll wait.
Meanwhile I'll keep downloading games on Windows at 1900Mbps.
Again, doesn't matter if others have had the problem, because there is a way to fix it and plenty of distros ship with it fixed out of the box. Just because you picked a distro that has the problem, and you are too dumb to fix it doesn't mean linux is broken. Having a choice in distros and packages is a fundamental principle of linux and that sets it apart from Windows where users have no choices.
How about in Windows when I plug my gopro into it and double click on a video file that it takes 10 seconds before it will start playing? In linux it starts playing instantly. Have you ever tried to run docker services in Windows? It's an absolute shitshow, but in linux it works flawlessly. See? I can give plenty examples of things working like shit in Windows that work perfectly in Linux. You actually are just an idiot, with no experience, and no idea how computer systems work.
What about setting custom keyboard shortcuts? Can't do it in Windows to the extent of Linux. What about fully customizing your desktop environment? Can't do it in Windows. But you think Windows just works? Nah bro, Windows doesn't work at all in my opinion when you can't do basic things like control and customize it. You have different priorities, you think "just working" means your shitty ass games run. I think just working means I have full control and customization and ownership over my box so I don't have to put up with ass desktop environment and ads and telemetry data.
So just keep trying to cope with the fact that you're an idiot and you need to used a dumbed down OS that sends off telemetry data and forces ads on you. It's okay. You're a dumb dumb and are willing to put up with the shitshow of Windows. It's okay if you cope by shitting on the superior OS, but it just makes you look like an idiot at the end of the day.