It's not just a Chrome-, it's a Google thing. If you want to install F-Droid or Exodus on Android today, you have to get past Google's warning that you are putting malware on your device.
To be somewhat fair there, side loading an app should really have a giant warning, otherwise it would be really easy to trick less knowledgeable users into installing actual malware. It would be nice to have an easier way to install third party app stores, but to install an APK from a website/browser really should have a giant warning.
Worlds better than the competition that outright bans side loading other than a weird "only x number of apps" and "must reinstall every x days".
I mean, they've already started cutting some features I have used... So I've got Firefox and Pale Moon on my PC to cover the loss of ftp support. And since some pages don't work in Firefox in either instance of engine, I have to have Chrome installed...
It genuinely sucks that some websites don't bother to support Firefox! When you encounter one, you might want to complain to the devs and open a webcompat issue.
So it's like that thing the Internet Explorer is Evil! website complained about back in the day, but now instead of Internet Explorer, it is Google Chrome...
I have already encountered some websites which didn't work with Chrome very well, but did with Firefox. They mentioned it's because of how Chrome now handles audio, the audio doesn't start.
I mean, it's not great, but it's also not the worst. You can also disable it. Chrome gets money by collecting your data to use for advertising purposes. Firefox doesn't do that, so I don't see much harm in them advertising some of their products a couple times a year. Even wikipedia advertises their own donation period, trying to encourage users to donate.
If it were a persistent banner, that would be different. But a one time closable window, that can also be disabled, is really not that terrible. Companies need money, after all.
Fun fact, did you know that google deliberately makes their products run worse on browsers like Firefox so users will think the browsers are slow? Please support Firefox, it's the only real browser not based on Googles technology (like Brave is), and it's actively fighting Google's monopoly on web browsing.
Using LibreWolf right now! The experience is smooth most of the time, although you do need to switch to Firefox when you need to view DRM-controlled content (like when participating an online course, for example).
Sorry to disappoint you but it does. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo if you check out the Browser section, it literally says DDG browser is using Blink, which is the Chromium engine.
sorry, i was refering to the desktop browser, that if I am correct is just based on WebKit and it's build from scratch. also didn't know that the mobile ones were using chromium thanks for the information :3
For starters, Teams doesn't work in Firefox. And good luck convincing your company (or its clients) to stop using Teams.
And the native teams client on Linux is even worse than using it in the browser.
I honestly gave it a go, and I liked that I could run ad blocking, but the constant crashing and poor website rendering shoved me back to chrome on mobile a couple weeks ago. I'd rather deal with ads and have the browser be stable apparently.
I use it on mobile just for uBlock. As far as I know it's the only mobile browser that supports extensions. If you use their nightly version it can use any extension that you can get on desktop. The base version only supports a few extension, but uBlock is one of them.
What's not working? Most broken websites are fixed by having it flag itself as chrome mobile, which is telling that your falling for what Google wants right now. And what crashes are you getting? I get one no more than once a week if that and I have over 100 tabs open
Wait, you guys get crashes on Firefox Mobile? Like legit, I was using Firefox for months, in fact, nearly a year, with over 100 tabs opened constantly (it showed up as an Infinity sign, lol) and I don't remember ever having Firefox crash on me. That's unusual.
I didn't have a list of every website that screwed up, but when one did I'd have to close the tab and reopen and it'd work, which sucks when you are actually navigating the Internet.
It wasn't that the stuff wouldn't load on Firefox it's that it would freeze and need to be dumped and retried. This happened very frequently.
Actual crashes were almost daily for me (with maybe 5 open tabs running on a Samsung flip 4, so pretty decent hardware)
Which sucks because I'd like Firefox to work on mobile, setting aside privacy and ads, the UI is much better in general. But it's bad at being a browser.
It's actually 4%, see https://radar.cloudflare.com; websites like statscounter are not accurate because they rely on trackers blocked by Firefox enhanced tracking protection.
Aside from it being made by Google, it supports a monoculture/monopoly in browsing. We've been down the path before. It isn't good. Even if you are using Brave, you are still supporting the Blink monopoly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8O97U1Pbc but also the "crypto crap" is very controversial, and settings are not synced properly when using Brave sync? For some reason, when I had to distrohop and I had my settings synced, I never got the crypto crap disabled automatically. And I had to redo a lot of my front page settings, every. single. time.
That's what I don't like about it. But my opinion is my own, and I myself use Vivaldi because I'm a customisation freak and Firefox doesn't cut it for me.
Yes, but if I remember correctly, the UBlock Origin devs said that the current restrictions in Chrome prevent some of the performance improvements seen in FFx because the filtering is done after the element is downloaded. So, it still has to transfer, but isn't rendered or executed. I could be mistaken, though.
You should switch from chrome to firefox. Less tracking built in to the browser. Also chrome is planning to deprecate manifest V2 which will break all adblockers.
Adguard is russian spyware. Also it wouldn't matter if they have a manifest v2 compliant addon as manifest v2 is going away in less than a year. Manifest V3 breaks adblockers.
Yes, they were developed in Russia and moved to Cyprus a few years later. Their software also installs a root certificate so that's fun. Here is a primer on why that's a bad thing. You should use ublock origin if you care about adblocking and privacy.
When you uninstall it make sure you go find that root cert and verify it was deleted as well. You don't want that hanging out on your system as it can be used to compromise your security via man in the middle attacks.
Unless you use a browser that uses its own ad and tracker blocking. I get fewer ads on Vivaldi without adblocking then I get on Firefox with ublock origin.
Runs about half the resources that Firefox takes up too.
Ad block on chromium was supposed to break in January when manifest v3 came around and it doesn't seem like much has changed on browsers that were prepared for it like Brave and V.
Edge and Chrome are fucked, but who cares about them anyways.
I used vivaldi for a period, but it's still Chromium. I'm trying to support the only non-chromium option out there. The more users Firefox has, the better. Chrome and Chromium are so dominant, it's seriously problematic.
Extensions on Vivaldi are Bandcamp volume control, Bing unchained, and tubebuddy.
Extensions on Fox: Firefox color, DDG privacy essentials, Ublock Origin.
Same tabs open on each browser.
YouTube, Spotify, Lemmy.world, and FB messenger.
Methodology: played YouTube videos in each with all other tabs idle to ensure they were actively using system resources.
FF: 1361MB (active)
V: 764MB (active)
That's literally half. Also Firefox never seems to want to give back RAM, whereas Vivaldi drops back down by a factor of 1/7 when the video is paused. Fox only managed to give up a measly 60ish MB of it's 1361.
FF: 1306MB (idle)
V: 628MB (Idle)
Edit: I believe ublock being installed on FF is justified since I find the native ad blocking of Vivaldi to be just as good, namely in YouTube which is my primary concern. If you want an AdBlock free test that only wins points in Vivaldi's favor for packaging it into the browser.
I just tried it and Firefox ESR uses ~800MB with a bing tab, a youtube tab focused and playing a video, a lemmy tab and a github tab. I’m running it on GNU/Linux, and I toggled dom.suspend_inactive.enabled in about:config.
Edit: it also doesn’t really matter how much RAM it uses, it’ll unload tabs if the system is low on memory. Firefox is also faster for me.
the name "firefox" comes from the red panda & the icon apparently from a fox, so you're both right in a way. a little bit of ambiguity and people discussing the brand of the browser seems to be quite a likeable thing to maintain ;-)
Chrome plating (less commonly chromium plating) is a technique of electroplating a thin layer of chromium onto a metal object. A chrome plated part is called chrome, or is said to have been chromed.
Chromium is a chemical element with the symbol Cr and atomic number 24. It is the first element in group 6. It is a steely-grey, lustrous, hard, and brittle transition metal.
If you didn't know, firefox has 'containers' where you can open a tab in, for example, a 'work' container and it won't carry the cookies over. Lets you log into multiple accounts on 1 browser (like personal email & work email etc).
Actually there’s one better - if you go to about:profiles in the URL bar you can make a new profile that is COMPLETELY separate, including history. Only annoying thing is that you have to go there every time you want to open a window in a profile other than the default
If storage isn't a concern you could always use multiple portable Firefoxes. Of course that means maintaining multiple FFxes, but once you configure one, you can just copy-paste the folder.
Do containers allow you to have separate bookmarks lists? TBH, I don't trust myself to always use the same container for the same "stuff" different browsers serves to idiot proof it for me.
Firefox has telementary on by default which you can easily disable in settings.
And imo waterfox is worse than Librewolf as it was sold to system1, a advertisment company
That's what they said in January too and Vivaldi is still working just fine at blocking ads with internal ad blocking. I don't even have an ad blocker extension installed.
They pushed the deadline to January 2024, that's when Chromium is officially dropping support for MV2. As of now, new MV2 extensions can't be uploaded to the store. Built-in adblockers won't be affected by that change because they're not extensions.
Not necessarily chromium ones. I get that Chrome has a monopoly over all browsers, but brave offers great privacy control even though it's a chromium based browser.
Not sure why people are downvoting you. I agree with this sentiment. Results are better than DDG and even has bangs. They even have their Brave AI like Google's small pop-up boxes when searching for questions, etc.
I suppose Brave is a sketchy company itself, but I've read the privacy policy and ToS for brave, and I see nothing sketchy. It's nice and private, as search engines should be.
It's a built-in cryptominer, it's the ideological concerns about the crypto-bros in charge, it's the insertion of their own ads, it's the insertion of their own referral codes into users' links, and it's the fact that aside from all that under the hood it's just the Chromium browser so why not just use plain-ass Chromium if you're into that.
Brave is better equipped than even Ungoogled Chromium against most online fingerprinting and stuff. I don't like Brave Rewards and the crypto stuff but then most of the them are either opt-in by default or easy to disable. You can even disable the VPN feature entirely using a chromium flag (about:flags). Also, the BAT stuff isn't based on mining, just ads. The affiliate link thing was scummy for sure though.
...I was about to post about it -- "Embrace the lion side of the force" but yeah, doubleduck isnt that great anymore and you should use brave search engine for both pc and mobile instead. That also goes for the brave browser.
Fun fact, aside from the annoying "this page is better in Chrome" messages on multiple Google sites, Google literally serves a totally different page to Firefox mobile users than mobile Chrome users. It's not a compatible issue, because of you take the user agent settings to claim it's Chrome, magically you get the full Google site. Also add much as I hate to reference Edge... it had significantly better performance on YouTube until magically it didn't anymore. It's almost as if Google purposely made competing browsers slower on their sites, when Edge and more recent Firefox releases work faster on non Google sites. Microsoft even gave up on the original Edge and just forked Chrome.
That hasn't been my experience in many many years, but it was an issue at one time. It's possible that proper content filtering is making up for the difference in performance.
Firefox had some issues like a decade ago on their old engine. In the past few years, they seriously stepped up their game.
If you're a normal user, you probably won't even notice the difference between Firefox and Chomium-based browsers. Sometimes I come across a weird website that doesn't want to load properly, so I'll open a Chrome tab for a few minutes to access it, but that's increasingly rare.
For web development, I generally prefer Chome's debug tools, but do all my normal browsing with Firefox.
Yeah, I am a normal user, I don't do web development or anything like that so I'll probably hold off on a decision until the new manifest. Thanks for your input. :)
You're posting on Lemmy and you joined seven days ago, so it's a safe bet that you have some opinions about Reddit. So I'll put it this way: if you have a problem with the way Reddit concentrates power in the hands of u/Spez and want to support alternatives because of that, then you should also have a similar problem with how Chromium-based browsers concentrate power in the hands of Google and reject Brave in favor of Firefox.
I've been using Firefox for years now and the only issue I've had is that at work I can't download particularly large files from John Deere operations centre so I use another browser just for that. Everything else, which is literally everything as far as I'm concerned, has been a better experience for me than Chrome ever was. Also Brave uses chromium which is cringe.
I'd say it's worth the switch as if you care about privacy, Firefox just has more tools available to this end
Yeah, I'll definitely think about it web privacy is something I think about when I'm browsing so this is a big factor in my decision making. Though I've used Brave thus far, so may as well stick with it till chromium kills extensions.
On a side note, is setting up Firefox for privacy focused browsing difficult? I've seen in the past that you have to edit user.js files and stuff. If something like that is a one time thing then I'll probably think about switching, but if it's something I have to keep up with then I dunno.
Pretty similar case here Firefox for everything but my primary anime pirate site doesn't work on Firefox mobile so the only time I use chrome is when I want to watch anime on my phone
The founder of Brave had previously been fired from Mozilla due to his homophobia. Firefox is the more ethical choice.
He also inflicted Javascript upon the world, which is... well, I almost want to say "even worse" but I don't want to make light of homophobia, so I guess I'll go with "also absolutely reprehensible."
I get that something like that might sway some people, and more power to you if you don't want to in any way support people like that. But It isn't going to affect me personally. I'm the type to separate the art from the artist, ya know? Plus there's more people making Brave than just that one person, so like. I dunno, this doesn't really affect my decision in the long run. I guess I'll just wait and see when the new manifest happens, thanks for your input though!
Yes. Brave is based on Chromium, which has some limitations on things which can be filtered. If you truly care about your privacy, use Firefox, or a further-privacy focused Firefox variant such as LibreWolf. The so called performance issues of Firefox are greatly exaggerated, realistically you won't be able to notice any difference.
Thanks for letting me know, I'll check it out. Though, I do get kinda skeptical when companies announce that their privacy focused, there's usually some sort of ulterior motive at work.
Brave constantly shoves crypto crap in your face and tries to monetize your web browsing experience. It's awful.
Other than Firefox, you have Vivaldi and also other Chrome alternatives like Chromium too. Firefox preforms plenty fast so don't let rumor or hearsay stop you from trying it either.
Vivaldi is nice. They're a little aggressive in pushing their new features, but their hearts seem to be in the right place. It's run by ex-Opera people, and has a similar kind of feel to how Opera used to be when it was the #3 browser. It does still use the Chromium engine though.
As a former Firefox user that finally planted roots with Vivaldi, I agree with you about developer intent. It's refreshing to hear a team be loudly pro-privacy in this day and age.
I personally am a fan of the constant suite updates and feature creep, but hitting the update button does start to feel like Steam updates sometimes.
The performance bit is a lottery. Some people won't notice any significant difference from chrome. A few will have severe issues. For most the slowdown will be circumstantial or won't even notice.
Sites that don't load properly are few and far between. Mostly poor web developers who are doing something undocumented or applying outdated practices. Often is just targeting some behavior that works on Chrome but is not standard. Firing up Brave to open the odd page once in a blue moon is not too extreme to ask. Specially since it's the result of Google's influence on the W3C standards and forcing their way upon others.
Brave iscool and all. But everytime I open it I fear it's going to backdoor a cryptominer into my machine. It just gives that vibe.
But everytime I open it I fear it's going to backdoor a cryptominer into my machine. It just gives that vibe.
I know right?? I know my data's going to get stolen one way or another, but Brave made me feel like I could potentially lose more than that.
Been trying out Edge and I got to say I'm pretty spoiled by having Bing chat on the sidebar as my coding assistance, except it's becoming more temperamental lately, refusing to answer simple questions and flipping me off by saying things like "I don't want to talk about this anymore" before terminating the chat.
Hmm, I see what you're saying but in my experience I have never had anything like that happen. But I get it, it's hard to trust big corporations like the one running Brave, and chromium as a platform.
Performance wise widely depends on the site used. Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
I mean its the whole reason why Microsoft switch from Edge Edge HTML to Edge Chromium/Blink.
The only good reason right now if you want to stick with Chromium based browsers such as Brave is you're heavily into browser based games as currently Chromium (and it's older brother, webkit) are the ones that have the best webgl performance, Firefox can do it but not as fast as Chromium and performance impact is very noticeable
Sometimes, simply changing the user agent string to that of Chrome is enough to make a site work again. For example Street View lags on Firefox, except when identifying as Chrome.
Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
I assume you're referring to Google meet (and the screen blur functionally), this is an open issue in Firefox for years, Google is using open standards to implement that, it's an issue in Firefox with how deadlocks work which is an extremely low level part of the browser. So it's not an easy solve.
There's a lot to complain about with Google, but this one isn't their fault. They use non-proprietary implementations and it's not their fault that Firefox will crash if they allowed Firefox users to use screen blur, the issue isn't a high priority for Mozilla.
First one you linked said Google patched Firefox performance by the time of the article, so that seems more like an oversight rather than asshole design.
Second one: rolling out redesigns is a complicated process. Most companies don't give everyone the new design at the same time, some roll out by geography, some by opt in, this was by browser type, which honestly makes the most sense.
Third one: an empty div is an easy accident to make, it's been removed. I also find it obscene to attribute an empty div to ruining battery performance. I wouldn't listen to that intern...
The worst of those three is number 2, but I can understand the decision from a web dev protective. Though I would've included all chromium based browsers in the rollout.
But does it give you different browser sessions? With containers, you can simultaneously be logged in to different Google accounts, for example. Sure beats logging in and out all the time.
If you're comfortable, maybe not. I've done that recently though because Brave was actually the one giving me display issues on sites I frequent. Issues that aren't experienced on other Chromium browsers or Firefox.
Alright, yeah maybe when the new manifest happens I'll be forced to switch but we'll see. I think for now though I'll stick to my usual browsing. Thanks for the input!
In the next 6 to 12 months Google is removing most adblock functionality - switch to Firefox (also Firefox mobile is amazing with uBlock origin )
They're not allowing remote connections for security , but you need a lot of 3rd party data to keep track of lists of ever changing malicious websites and ads to block
Yeah, saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and started the switch. It's a bit painful (at least when I switched there were way, way more apps on the chrome app store that weren't on Firefox), but worth it to keep your adblocker and semi privacy.
I use Chrome because it integrates with the other Google services and hardware I use and because I just like it better. I fully understand the data collection thing and I'm ok with it to some extent. I like that Google shows me things that I might be interested in based on searches or sites I visit, but I TOTALLY understand why others might not be ok with it. I am more concerned with the government having access to my information than Google but not to the point of paranoia.
I stopped being a fan of any recommendations once it became abundantly clear that I'm not actually shown things I'm interested in, but rather the same ads that everyone else gets. Not to mention the Google experience has greatly degraded lately. Tried their search recently? So many ads and SEO spam.
I was actually just talking about this on another post. Google Search has serious problems that need addressing. That's why so many people appended search terms with reddit. Because without that, the organic results are nearly worthless. I'm fine with the first 3 or 4 sponsored results, but the organic search needs to be fixed for sure.
It's possible, but I don't know for sure. I refuse to run Chrome because we don't need another browser monopoly to stifle innovation.
The Internet Explorer era was terrible, and we STILL have broken things that only support a now dead browser. So many things went all in on proprietary Microsoft standards for Internet Explorer, and now you cannot use them. Most older camera DVRs and stand alone ip cameras fall into that category.
Another example: I can't say which company, but a very large company you've almost definitely heard of, required that all of their vendors buy all raw material from their subsidiary, but you had to use a site that not only was Internet Explorer only, but an extremely out of date Internet Explorer only. basically you had to have an xp machine up to a couple years after xp was no longer supported, to order several thousands of dollars of raw material.
All it would take for this to happen again is for Google to release a new API or "feature" that legally or technically a browser like Firefox cannot implement. Then if they decide they don't like that standard or Google actually miraculously gets broken up for being a monopoly/anti competitive everything that uses it will again no longer be usable.
tinfoil hat time, but i'm pretty sure that's why they were trying to introduce web bundles a few years ago. thankfully they seem to have flopped, but if they hadn't and chromium introduced a closed source interpreter i think that would have been the end of anything non-chromium
Four and a half year old article, and yet we're all mostly still blocking ads. I prefer to wait for the sky to actually start falling before I get all worked up about it.
I found I was only able to register, and login, after I used Firefox (and verified my email to login). Glad I checked here to see it was more Chrome related.
Am I the only one here that uses Falkon. I love Firefox and everything they stand for. But I do like having my desktop windows match. Since I use Plasma, Firefox just doesn't match.
Unpopular opinion (maybe) - But i'm using Edge, works with chrome extensions, I use BingAI for quick searches and the cleanest looking vertical tabs I've used without elbow grease and extensions
I'm gearing up to do the same soon. There is an encrypted email service I'm switching to (proton mail). I used it before, but hadn't fully bought into the off-grid stuff. I plan to delete my google account over the next year, and switch everything there. It's hard to untangle everything, but I've had my google account compromised a few times before, so it's time for it to go.
I know others have recommended Proton, but if you need something with standardized calendar/contacts support, I recommend Fastmail. Not quite as secure, but still infinitely better than letting Big G scrape your inbox.
Brave has significant ideological issues, including its ties to cryptocurrency and that it replaces ads on sites with their own ads. And in the past they've done things like misusing their autocomplete to try to direct users to affiliates. Not to mention that it's still Chromium under the hood, like basically every other major browser except Firefox.
That's not a Brave specific issue; I've seen it frequently on Chrome (desktop) and on Safari (mobile). In particular, I've observed it when attempting to post a comment; usually when that happens I need to copy out my comment content, reload the page, paste the content back in and hit the Reply button again.
I don't know for certain, but I'm guessing the cause has something to do with the Lemmy servers being overtaxed due to "Rexxit" related increased user activity. Of course, if that guess is correct, I'm afraid we can only anticipate the problem getting worse over the next several days.
Login works for me in Brave perfectly fine, try just disabling the Brave shields for the website instead, it fixes like 95% of any website functionality issues.
Firefox for life! Well as long as they don't go evil or bankrupt. I am not surprised at all though.
/r/firefox is also still closed and opened up on https://fedia.io/m/firefox. So firefox people are cool in general. 🦊
If they do, there is always LibreWolf.
Maintaining a browser is an insane amount of work. Without Mozilla working on Firefox, LibreWolf will stagnate and become unusable.
It's not just a Chrome-, it's a Google thing. If you want to install F-Droid or Exodus on Android today, you have to get past Google's warning that you are putting malware on your device.
Well... anyone who packs their advertising through third-party sites has long since defected to the dark side. It seems to me that the ghost of Brendan Eich is still haunting Mozilla.
To be somewhat fair there, side loading an app should really have a giant warning, otherwise it would be really easy to trick less knowledgeable users into installing actual malware. It would be nice to have an easier way to install third party app stores, but to install an APK from a website/browser really should have a giant warning.
Worlds better than the competition that outright bans side loading other than a weird "only x number of apps" and "must reinstall every x days".
I mean, they've already started cutting some features I have used... So I've got Firefox and Pale Moon on my PC to cover the loss of ftp support. And since some pages don't work in Firefox in either instance of engine, I have to have Chrome installed...
It genuinely sucks that some websites don't bother to support Firefox! When you encounter one, you might want to complain to the devs and open a webcompat issue.
This would also be less of a problem if more people used firefox
So it's like that thing the Internet Explorer is Evil! website complained about back in the day, but now instead of Internet Explorer, it is Google Chrome...
the proper channels rarely work. apply as an unpaid intern, fix it. quit. always works.
I have already encountered some websites which didn't work with Chrome very well, but did with Firefox. They mentioned it's because of how Chrome now handles audio, the audio doesn't start.
Their recent advertising of their VPN has set some worrisome trends; here’s to hope they stop that nonsense before we have to move to a fork.
I mean, it's not great, but it's also not the worst. You can also disable it. Chrome gets money by collecting your data to use for advertising purposes. Firefox doesn't do that, so I don't see much harm in them advertising some of their products a couple times a year. Even wikipedia advertises their own donation period, trying to encourage users to donate.
If it were a persistent banner, that would be different. But a one time closable window, that can also be disabled, is really not that terrible. Companies need money, after all.
Fun fact, did you know that google deliberately makes their products run worse on browsers like Firefox so users will think the browsers are slow? Please support Firefox, it's the only real browser not based on Googles technology (like Brave is), and it's actively fighting Google's monopoly on web browsing.
Firefox is based. Glad I switched over recently.
Librewolf is a fork of Firefox, and is absolutely better for privacy and security; way more based than Firefox, you should check it out m8 :)
Using LibreWolf right now! The experience is smooth most of the time, although you do need to switch to Firefox when you need to view DRM-controlled content (like when participating an online course, for example).
Yeah DRM content is why I'm on Firefox instead of Librewolf. I may look into hardening FF in the near future
"The job isn't done, until Lotus won't run" - attributed to Bill Gates/Microsoft
Remember when the FTC actually did- well anything. I 'member (actually i don't cos i wasn't alive when they did)
I know it's easy to claim that, but is there any actual proof of that?
Here you go
User experience is actually better if you're not using chrome since you won't be subject to Google's a/b tests
duckduckgo browser is also not chromium
Sorry to disappoint you but it does. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo if you check out the Browser section, it literally says DDG browser is using Blink, which is the Chromium engine.
sorry, i was refering to the desktop browser, that if I am correct is just based on WebKit and it's build from scratch. also didn't know that the mobile ones were using chromium thanks for the information :3
duckduckgo browser is just a webview2 wrapper, which is a edge wrapper, which is just a chromium wrapper, which is........
well that escalated quickly.
I'm usually vehemently anti-furry. Like, irrationally so.
But this? This I can get behind.
Getting behind it would make you very pro-furry
Understood. It's making me rethink a lot of things about my life.
That's too far! go back! D:
Why even use Google Chrome 👁👄👁
My work mandates it unfortunately.
They mandate the browser you use? Seems a little overbearing.
Our website works best with Chrome so they want us to use Chrome. Blame the people we outsource to in India, I guess.
Use Vivaldi then. It's Chromium based, but they care about privacy and there's tons of ways to configure it
For starters, Teams doesn't work in Firefox. And good luck convincing your company (or its clients) to stop using Teams. And the native teams client on Linux is even worse than using it in the browser.
Teams does work in FF. I use it quite frequently.
Weird, even on Linux? Last time I tried, it told me to install chrome.
Not sure about on Linux, I use Windows. I know screen sharing used to not work well (or at all?) on FF, but that's been working great recently.
You have no idea.
Could be worse: Your office could be mandating (shudder) Microsoft Edge.
'No I dont think I will'
Use Firefox btw
+1 for Firefox, it's a great experience on both desktop and mobile!
It's a terrible mobile browser...
I honestly gave it a go, and I liked that I could run ad blocking, but the constant crashing and poor website rendering shoved me back to chrome on mobile a couple weeks ago. I'd rather deal with ads and have the browser be stable apparently.
I use it on mobile just for uBlock. As far as I know it's the only mobile browser that supports extensions. If you use their nightly version it can use any extension that you can get on desktop. The base version only supports a few extension, but uBlock is one of them.
What's not working? Most broken websites are fixed by having it flag itself as chrome mobile, which is telling that your falling for what Google wants right now. And what crashes are you getting? I get one no more than once a week if that and I have over 100 tabs open
Wait, you guys get crashes on Firefox Mobile? Like legit, I was using Firefox for months, in fact, nearly a year, with over 100 tabs opened constantly (it showed up as an Infinity sign, lol) and I don't remember ever having Firefox crash on me. That's unusual.
I didn't have a list of every website that screwed up, but when one did I'd have to close the tab and reopen and it'd work, which sucks when you are actually navigating the Internet.
It wasn't that the stuff wouldn't load on Firefox it's that it would freeze and need to be dumped and retried. This happened very frequently.
Actual crashes were almost daily for me (with maybe 5 open tabs running on a Samsung flip 4, so pretty decent hardware)
Which sucks because I'd like Firefox to work on mobile, setting aside privacy and ads, the UI is much better in general. But it's bad at being a browser.
When was the last time you used it? A few years back it was terrible, but it's gotten much better.
Like, 2 weeks ago.
Wish Firefox goes with Vivaldi direction. I can't try another browser since I 'm so addicted to gestures. Plus a lot more customization is available.
There are extensions for gestures.
I know but if it's implemented seems more natural and in addition you have one less extension. 🙂
I stand with Firefox.
It's crazy how low the firefox market share is. It’s like 3% worldwide.
For such a good browser too!
It's actually 4%, see https://radar.cloudflare.com; websites like statscounter are not accurate because they rely on trackers blocked by Firefox enhanced tracking protection.
On desktop the market share is somewhat higher.
I switched back to Firefox ever since the Quantum release and have been loving it.
I wish Mozilla would spend their resources on the browser instead of wasting time and money on so many other useless projects.
Mistake #1, using chrome. Just switch to firefox
or bravejust use firefoxFirefox is good, and mental outlaw has some good videos of how to initially set it up
I'm on my way.
Brave = chrome
Switch to Firefox period.
What's wrong with it? Serious question.
Chromium is absolutely massive, and it's very hard to be sure all the nasty Google telemetry has been ripped out.
Brave is also run by crypto shills, and they were caught auto-editing URLs to be referral links (!) a while back.
Damn, I've never actually used it but have heard good about it. Just another Firefox win though.
DAMN. I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.
It's based on Chromium. Chromium is developed by Google and is the base of Chrome as well.
Chromium is FOSS though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser)
Aside from it being made by Google, it supports a monoculture/monopoly in browsing. We've been down the path before. It isn't good. Even if you are using Brave, you are still supporting the Blink monopoly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8O97U1Pbc but also the "crypto crap" is very controversial, and settings are not synced properly when using Brave sync? For some reason, when I had to distrohop and I had my settings synced, I never got the crypto crap disabled automatically. And I had to redo a lot of my front page settings, every. single. time. That's what I don't like about it. But my opinion is my own, and I myself use Vivaldi because I'm a customisation freak and Firefox doesn't cut it for me.
I wish Gnome Web had add-on support. It's UI is great and runs beautifully.
Librewolf, better and more private fork of Firefox.
Such a baseless statement. Ad blockers actually improve performance by removing random junk videos, and images from running on the site.
I'm so glad to have switched to Firefox.
Yes, but if I remember correctly, the UBlock Origin devs said that the current restrictions in Chrome prevent some of the performance improvements seen in FFx because the filtering is done after the element is downloaded. So, it still has to transfer, but isn't rendered or executed. I could be mistaken, though.
Came to say the same. My low-end laptop is only able to browse the internet thanks to adblock.
What a cunning plan!
You should switch from chrome to firefox. Less tracking built in to the browser. Also chrome is planning to deprecate manifest V2 which will break all adblockers.
Will this affect vanced?
nope
adguard does have a MV2 compliant ad blocker but I'll still use Firefox lol
Adguard is russian spyware. Also it wouldn't matter if they have a manifest v2 compliant addon as manifest v2 is going away in less than a year. Manifest V3 breaks adblockers.
I meant MV3 compliant, got it mixed up, also russian spyware????
Yes, they were developed in Russia and moved to Cyprus a few years later. Their software also installs a root certificate so that's fun. Here is a primer on why that's a bad thing. You should use ublock origin if you care about adblocking and privacy.
well damn, I've been using adguard for well over 3 months now, thanks for the heads up I'll install ublock origins
When you uninstall it make sure you go find that root cert and verify it was deleted as well. You don't want that hanging out on your system as it can be used to compromise your security via man in the middle attacks.
Unless you use a browser that uses its own ad and tracker blocking. I get fewer ads on Vivaldi without adblocking then I get on Firefox with ublock origin.
Runs about half the resources that Firefox takes up too.
Ad block on chromium was supposed to break in January when manifest v3 came around and it doesn't seem like much has changed on browsers that were prepared for it like Brave and V.
Edge and Chrome are fucked, but who cares about them anyways.
I used vivaldi for a period, but it's still Chromium. I'm trying to support the only non-chromium option out there. The more users Firefox has, the better. Chrome and Chromium are so dominant, it's seriously problematic.
Unless you were running Firefx with outdated uBO filters, I doubt that. Vivaldi is a memory hog for me.
Strange, it's literally half of Firefox with equivalent tabs.
What platform? Extensions? Any about:config changes?
Windows 10, 3200MHz CL16 32GB, Ryzen 5 3600XT.
Extensions on Vivaldi are Bandcamp volume control, Bing unchained, and tubebuddy.
Extensions on Fox: Firefox color, DDG privacy essentials, Ublock Origin.
Same tabs open on each browser.
YouTube, Spotify, Lemmy.world, and FB messenger.
Methodology: played YouTube videos in each with all other tabs idle to ensure they were actively using system resources.
FF: 1361MB (active) V: 764MB (active)
That's literally half. Also Firefox never seems to want to give back RAM, whereas Vivaldi drops back down by a factor of 1/7 when the video is paused. Fox only managed to give up a measly 60ish MB of it's 1361.
FF: 1306MB (idle) V: 628MB (Idle)
Edit: I believe ublock being installed on FF is justified since I find the native ad blocking of Vivaldi to be just as good, namely in YouTube which is my primary concern. If you want an AdBlock free test that only wins points in Vivaldi's favor for packaging it into the browser.
I just tried it and Firefox ESR uses ~800MB with a bing tab, a youtube tab focused and playing a video, a lemmy tab and a github tab. I’m running it on GNU/Linux, and I toggled dom.suspend_inactive.enabled in about:config. Edit: it also doesn’t really matter how much RAM it uses, it’ll unload tabs if the system is low on memory. Firefox is also faster for me.
I use Firefox because it doesn't steal my data OR lie to me.
And foxes are cool animals 🦊 Way cooler than whatever a chrome is.
Firefox is actually a red panda. Which frankly are even cooler than foxes.
https://support.mozilla.org/nl/questions/988854
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Funky. TIL, thanks.
Chrome plating (less commonly chromium plating) is a technique of electroplating a thin layer of chromium onto a metal object. A chrome plated part is called chrome, or is said to have been chromed.
Chromium is a chemical element with the symbol Cr and atomic number 24. It is the first element in group 6. It is a steely-grey, lustrous, hard, and brittle transition metal.
They have done some shitty things before, like the Mr. Robot and Pocket stuff, but nowhere near as bad as Google.
I use multiple browsers to contain work and not work footprints.
If you didn't know, firefox has 'containers' where you can open a tab in, for example, a 'work' container and it won't carry the cookies over. Lets you log into multiple accounts on 1 browser (like personal email & work email etc).
Doesn't have seperate history though.
I learned about containers less than year ago and kicked myself for not learning about them sooner. Containers in Firefox truly are a godsend.
Actually there’s one better - if you go to about:profiles in the URL bar you can make a new profile that is COMPLETELY separate, including history. Only annoying thing is that you have to go there every time you want to open a window in a profile other than the default
If storage isn't a concern you could always use multiple portable Firefoxes. Of course that means maintaining multiple FFxes, but once you configure one, you can just copy-paste the folder.
I work in marketing, and with all the tons of accounts we have Containers is a LIFE SAVER
I'm in IT, and same. The fact I can log into multiple 365 tenancies at the same time and not constantly clearing cookies and shit is life changing
Do containers allow you to have separate bookmarks lists? TBH, I don't trust myself to always use the same container for the same "stuff" different browsers serves to idiot proof it for me.
You're lying to yourself if you think Mozzarella Foxfire doesn't have telemetry. I'd recommend Waterfox if you're wanting no telemetry
Edit: this comment is stupid, read replies
I use Waterfox because Firefox actually does steal my data but Waterfox doesn't.
Honest questions: what data does Firefox steal and why Waterfox over others like Librewolf?
Firefox has telementary on by default which you can easily disable in settings.
And imo waterfox is worse than Librewolf as it was sold to system1, a advertisment company
Librewolf lags very far behind in staying up to date with security patches. Use regular Firefox hardened with Arkenfox’s user.js
Waterfox was sold to system1, an advertising company. It also doesn’t immediately release patches that are released in upstream Firefox.
Use a hardened Firefox with the Arkenfox user.js
Slowing down their ability to profit off of you, that is.
If you wanna keep using adblocks you should start moving away from Chrome/Chromium-based browsers as soon as possible!!
That's what they said in January too and Vivaldi is still working just fine at blocking ads with internal ad blocking. I don't even have an ad blocker extension installed.
They pushed the deadline to January 2024, that's when Chromium is officially dropping support for MV2. As of now, new MV2 extensions can't be uploaded to the store. Built-in adblockers won't be affected by that change because they're not extensions.
Well, I already have Firefox set up so if and when the ad block stops working on V I'll just open up Firefox and use that.
Until that very moment, I'll be using the browser I prefer that runs at half the memory for equivalent services and tabs.
Not necessarily chromium ones. I get that Chrome has a monopoly over all browsers, but brave offers great privacy control even though it's a chromium based browser.
It's not just about privacy, at least for me. Staying away form the Chromium monopoly is the biggest point.
nah, search.brave.com is the new duckieduckie
Not sure why people are downvoting you. I agree with this sentiment. Results are better than DDG and even has bangs. They even have their Brave AI like Google's small pop-up boxes when searching for questions, etc.
I suppose Brave is a sketchy company itself, but I've read the privacy policy and ToS for brave, and I see nothing sketchy. It's nice and private, as search engines should be.
Eh, its just their built-in cryptominer that makes folks insecure. Other than that, its a pretty gucci browser.
And regarding downvotes...? Something something "(Any sort of negative behavior) is the best form of flattery."
It's a built-in cryptominer, it's the ideological concerns about the crypto-bros in charge, it's the insertion of their own ads, it's the insertion of their own referral codes into users' links, and it's the fact that aside from all that under the hood it's just the Chromium browser so why not just use plain-ass Chromium if you're into that.
Brave is better equipped than even Ungoogled Chromium against most online fingerprinting and stuff. I don't like Brave Rewards and the crypto stuff but then most of the them are either opt-in by default or easy to disable. You can even disable the VPN feature entirely using a chromium flag (about:flags). Also, the BAT stuff isn't based on mining, just ads. The affiliate link thing was scummy for sure though.
Just another bing frontend
What about DuckDuckGo on PC and Brave on mobile?
Firefox + ublock origin + DuckDuckGo on mobile.
I use Firefox with uBlock on android
...I was about to post about it -- "Embrace the lion side of the force" but yeah, doubleduck isnt that great anymore and you should use brave search engine for both pc and mobile instead. That also goes for the brave browser.
What about SearX?
SearX/SearXNG quite goated not gonna lie.
I mean, when an extension needs to block 300 ads...
And some sites are trying to load them again, and again, and again, so the poor plugin has no choice than to go hard on resources.
Ditch chrome
That's a low-level Microsoft style move. Didn't thought Google will do it
Fun fact, aside from the annoying "this page is better in Chrome" messages on multiple Google sites, Google literally serves a totally different page to Firefox mobile users than mobile Chrome users. It's not a compatible issue, because of you take the user agent settings to claim it's Chrome, magically you get the full Google site. Also add much as I hate to reference Edge... it had significantly better performance on YouTube until magically it didn't anymore. It's almost as if Google purposely made competing browsers slower on their sites, when Edge and more recent Firefox releases work faster on non Google sites. Microsoft even gave up on the original Edge and just forked Chrome.
I use Google maps in a web app that my company has developed. Google maps is much slower in Firefox and Edge than Chrome. It's no accident.
Yes. Youtube is slow as absolute fuck on Firefox, both mobile and desktop.
That hasn't been my experience in many many years, but it was an issue at one time. It's possible that proper content filtering is making up for the difference in performance.
You must not know a lot about Google, lol.
Yup. They did away with the “Do no evil” mantra quite a while ago.
So I've heard good and bad things about Firefox in this thread. The bad things being mainly the performance, and some sites just don't load...
So my question to you is, If I'm comfortably browsing on Brave with uBlock on, is it really worth the switch right now?
Firefox had some issues like a decade ago on their old engine. In the past few years, they seriously stepped up their game.
If you're a normal user, you probably won't even notice the difference between Firefox and Chomium-based browsers. Sometimes I come across a weird website that doesn't want to load properly, so I'll open a Chrome tab for a few minutes to access it, but that's increasingly rare.
For web development, I generally prefer Chome's debug tools, but do all my normal browsing with Firefox.
Yeah, I am a normal user, I don't do web development or anything like that so I'll probably hold off on a decision until the new manifest. Thanks for your input. :)
You're posting on Lemmy and you joined seven days ago, so it's a safe bet that you have some opinions about Reddit. So I'll put it this way: if you have a problem with the way Reddit concentrates power in the hands of u/Spez and want to support alternatives because of that, then you should also have a similar problem with how Chromium-based browsers concentrate power in the hands of Google and reject Brave in favor of Firefox.
That makes a lot of sense. However, what if I said that Brave hasn't done anything to piss me off?
I've been using Firefox for years now and the only issue I've had is that at work I can't download particularly large files from John Deere operations centre so I use another browser just for that. Everything else, which is literally everything as far as I'm concerned, has been a better experience for me than Chrome ever was. Also Brave uses chromium which is cringe.
I'd say it's worth the switch as if you care about privacy, Firefox just has more tools available to this end
Yeah, I'll definitely think about it web privacy is something I think about when I'm browsing so this is a big factor in my decision making. Though I've used Brave thus far, so may as well stick with it till chromium kills extensions.
On a side note, is setting up Firefox for privacy focused browsing difficult? I've seen in the past that you have to edit user.js files and stuff. If something like that is a one time thing then I'll probably think about switching, but if it's something I have to keep up with then I dunno.
Pretty similar case here Firefox for everything but my primary anime pirate site doesn't work on Firefox mobile so the only time I use chrome is when I want to watch anime on my phone
The founder of Brave had previously been fired from Mozilla due to his homophobia. Firefox is the more ethical choice.
But it's also perfectly fine for most web browsing, and is the only web browser I've seen with extensions like ublock available on mobile.
He also inflicted Javascript upon the world, which is... well, I almost want to say "even worse" but I don't want to make light of homophobia, so I guess I'll go with "also absolutely reprehensible."
I get that something like that might sway some people, and more power to you if you don't want to in any way support people like that. But It isn't going to affect me personally. I'm the type to separate the art from the artist, ya know? Plus there's more people making Brave than just that one person, so like. I dunno, this doesn't really affect my decision in the long run. I guess I'll just wait and see when the new manifest happens, thanks for your input though!
Yes. Brave is based on Chromium, which has some limitations on things which can be filtered. If you truly care about your privacy, use Firefox, or a further-privacy focused Firefox variant such as LibreWolf. The so called performance issues of Firefox are greatly exaggerated, realistically you won't be able to notice any difference.
Thanks for letting me know, I'll check it out. Though, I do get kinda skeptical when companies announce that their privacy focused, there's usually some sort of ulterior motive at work.
Brave constantly shoves crypto crap in your face and tries to monetize your web browsing experience. It's awful.
Other than Firefox, you have Vivaldi and also other Chrome alternatives like Chromium too. Firefox preforms plenty fast so don't let rumor or hearsay stop you from trying it either.
Vivaldi is nice. They're a little aggressive in pushing their new features, but their hearts seem to be in the right place. It's run by ex-Opera people, and has a similar kind of feel to how Opera used to be when it was the #3 browser. It does still use the Chromium engine though.
As a former Firefox user that finally planted roots with Vivaldi, I agree with you about developer intent. It's refreshing to hear a team be loudly pro-privacy in this day and age.
I personally am a fan of the constant suite updates and feature creep, but hitting the update button does start to feel like Steam updates sometimes.
The performance bit is a lottery. Some people won't notice any significant difference from chrome. A few will have severe issues. For most the slowdown will be circumstantial or won't even notice.
Sites that don't load properly are few and far between. Mostly poor web developers who are doing something undocumented or applying outdated practices. Often is just targeting some behavior that works on Chrome but is not standard. Firing up Brave to open the odd page once in a blue moon is not too extreme to ask. Specially since it's the result of Google's influence on the W3C standards and forcing their way upon others.
Brave iscool and all. But everytime I open it I fear it's going to backdoor a cryptominer into my machine. It just gives that vibe.
I know right?? I know my data's going to get stolen one way or another, but Brave made me feel like I could potentially lose more than that.
Been trying out Edge and I got to say I'm pretty spoiled by having Bing chat on the sidebar as my coding assistance, except it's becoming more temperamental lately, refusing to answer simple questions and flipping me off by saying things like "I don't want to talk about this anymore" before terminating the chat.
Hmm, I see what you're saying but in my experience I have never had anything like that happen. But I get it, it's hard to trust big corporations like the one running Brave, and chromium as a platform.
Performance wise widely depends on the site used. Some sites (notably Google ones) are notorious for implementing anti-competitive behavior, where if their website is visited other than a chromium based browser, it slows down or a functionality stops working.
I mean its the whole reason why Microsoft switch from Edge Edge HTML to Edge Chromium/Blink.
The only good reason right now if you want to stick with Chromium based browsers such as Brave is you're heavily into browser based games as currently Chromium (and it's older brother, webkit) are the ones that have the best webgl performance, Firefox can do it but not as fast as Chromium and performance impact is very noticeable
Sometimes, simply changing the user agent string to that of Chrome is enough to make a site work again. For example Street View lags on Firefox, except when identifying as Chrome.
Noticed a while back that Google wouldn't do direct unit conversions for you unless you're using Chrome.
I assume you're referring to Google meet (and the screen blur functionally), this is an open issue in Firefox for years, Google is using open standards to implement that, it's an issue in Firefox with how deadlocks work which is an extremely low level part of the browser. So it's not an easy solve.
There's a lot to complain about with Google, but this one isn't their fault. They use non-proprietary implementations and it's not their fault that Firefox will crash if they allowed Firefox users to use screen blur, the issue isn't a high priority for Mozilla.
Nah, what I am referring to is Youtube. See here: https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/mozilla-exec-says-google-slowed-youtube-down-on-non-chrome-browsers/
This isnt the only one too, there is this: https://www.ghacks.net/2019/05/28/googles-blocking-new-microsoft-edge-from-accessing-new-design/ or this one https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/19/18148736/google-youtube-microsoft-edge-intern-claims
First one you linked said Google patched Firefox performance by the time of the article, so that seems more like an oversight rather than asshole design.
Second one: rolling out redesigns is a complicated process. Most companies don't give everyone the new design at the same time, some roll out by geography, some by opt in, this was by browser type, which honestly makes the most sense.
Third one: an empty div is an easy accident to make, it's been removed. I also find it obscene to attribute an empty div to ruining battery performance. I wouldn't listen to that intern...
The worst of those three is number 2, but I can understand the decision from a web dev protective. Though I would've included all chromium based browsers in the rollout.
To me, the answer will always be "containers". Firefox containers were a game changer and I can never go back.
Brave does something similar to containers. It let's you sort tabs into what are essentially folders. I really like it actually.
But does it give you different browser sessions? With containers, you can simultaneously be logged in to different Google accounts, for example. Sure beats logging in and out all the time.
Ohhhh, no it doesn't do that. That's pretty cool. But that's gotta be pretty resource intensive I'd have to imagine.
If you're comfortable, maybe not. I've done that recently though because Brave was actually the one giving me display issues on sites I frequent. Issues that aren't experienced on other Chromium browsers or Firefox.
Alright, yeah maybe when the new manifest happens I'll be forced to switch but we'll see. I think for now though I'll stick to my usual browsing. Thanks for the input!
In the next 6 to 12 months Google is removing most adblock functionality - switch to Firefox (also Firefox mobile is amazing with uBlock origin )
They're not allowing remote connections for security , but you need a lot of 3rd party data to keep track of lists of ever changing malicious websites and ads to block
ublock on mobile is a total gamechanger if you have a cheap phone with low performance
Also if you have a fast phone but hate intrusive ads!
Yeah, saw the writing on the wall a few years ago and started the switch. It's a bit painful (at least when I switched there were way, way more apps on the chrome app store that weren't on Firefox), but worth it to keep your adblocker and semi privacy.
Yeah! That'll show them.
The problem is that you are using chrome to begin with
I use Chrome because it integrates with the other Google services and hardware I use and because I just like it better. I fully understand the data collection thing and I'm ok with it to some extent. I like that Google shows me things that I might be interested in based on searches or sites I visit, but I TOTALLY understand why others might not be ok with it. I am more concerned with the government having access to my information than Google but not to the point of paranoia.
I stopped being a fan of any recommendations once it became abundantly clear that I'm not actually shown things I'm interested in, but rather the same ads that everyone else gets. Not to mention the Google experience has greatly degraded lately. Tried their search recently? So many ads and SEO spam.
I was actually just talking about this on another post. Google Search has serious problems that need addressing. That's why so many people appended search terms with reddit. Because without that, the organic results are nearly worthless. I'm fine with the first 3 or 4 sponsored results, but the organic search needs to be fixed for sure.
Guys I think I found one of the Google executives (/s)
Is this real? Lmao
Me: Oh no, what will i do! Absolutely fuck all
If it gets worse just switch to firefox
Firefox is already perfect, no need to wait for Chrome to shit its pants.
Firefox is the way.
Is that specifically a browser issue, as opposed to a webscript issue for detection?
Is it still an issue in Librewolf, Brave, and Ungoogled Chromium?
It is a self inflicted wound basically. Google killed support for how those ad blockers work.
https://www.ghacks.net/2019/01/22/chrome-extension-manifest-v3-could-end-ublock-origin-for-chrome/
Firefox based browsers literally will not have this problem at all.
Is that why uBlock Lite was developed?
It's possible, but I don't know for sure. I refuse to run Chrome because we don't need another browser monopoly to stifle innovation.
The Internet Explorer era was terrible, and we STILL have broken things that only support a now dead browser. So many things went all in on proprietary Microsoft standards for Internet Explorer, and now you cannot use them. Most older camera DVRs and stand alone ip cameras fall into that category.
Another example: I can't say which company, but a very large company you've almost definitely heard of, required that all of their vendors buy all raw material from their subsidiary, but you had to use a site that not only was Internet Explorer only, but an extremely out of date Internet Explorer only. basically you had to have an xp machine up to a couple years after xp was no longer supported, to order several thousands of dollars of raw material.
All it would take for this to happen again is for Google to release a new API or "feature" that legally or technically a browser like Firefox cannot implement. Then if they decide they don't like that standard or Google actually miraculously gets broken up for being a monopoly/anti competitive everything that uses it will again no longer be usable.
tinfoil hat time, but i'm pretty sure that's why they were trying to introduce web bundles a few years ago. thankfully they seem to have flopped, but if they hadn't and chromium introduced a closed source interpreter i think that would have been the end of anything non-chromium
What even was web bundles, anyway?
If that's the name of the version they released a couple months ago, then yes. If you're using it, how's it going?
yes
Has v3 released already?
Four and a half year old article, and yet we're all mostly still blocking ads. I prefer to wait for the sky to actually start falling before I get all worked up about it.
I found I was only able to register, and login, after I used Firefox (and verified my email to login). Glad I checked here to see it was more Chrome related.
uBlock and uMatrix make the web much nicer to use. As others have said Firefox is pretty nice too if Google insists on taking away ad blocking.
Can confirm. Firefox, uBlock Origin and Stylus.
Of course it's slowing google. It's slowing their income
A lot of people have already said it in this thread, but I am going to repeat, this is why Firefox is better!
Ublock origin is a life changer. 😅
Reminds me of Peacock's web client trying to get me to use something other than Brave browser, because Brave browser blocks their ads completely.
HAHA, nope.
Peacock straight up disallows anyone running Linux from using it, regardless of what browser they're using. Guess I'll just pirate lol
wait you mean the streaming service
Bring us that horizon. 🌞
Here's another reply for "this is why you Firefox."
Can’t possibly slow it down anymore than it has been
Silly google! If anything it’ll make it faster!
Kick rocks Google!
Am I the only one here that uses Falkon. I love Firefox and everything they stand for. But I do like having my desktop windows match. Since I use Plasma, Firefox just doesn't match.
Use Falkon here too!
and this is not just you using a billion blocklists?
Using all those blocklists is still a whole lot faster than the increased load times from loading ads.
Unpopular opinion (maybe) - But i'm using Edge, works with chrome extensions, I use BingAI for quick searches and the cleanest looking vertical tabs I've used without elbow grease and extensions
No, you can be quite certain that's an unpopular opinion. And it should be.
I have equal feelings of appreciation and disappointment that I've not fully integrated with the hive mind
I use both Firefox and Opera (Opera One & Opera GX)
I use Opera is because of its AI, Aria. and I like it. unlike Bing AI ofc......
What do you use for email?
Proton Mail.
I'm gearing up to do the same soon. There is an encrypted email service I'm switching to (proton mail). I used it before, but hadn't fully bought into the off-grid stuff. I plan to delete my google account over the next year, and switch everything there. It's hard to untangle everything, but I've had my google account compromised a few times before, so it's time for it to go.
I know others have recommended Proton, but if you need something with standardized calendar/contacts support, I recommend Fastmail. Not quite as secure, but still infinitely better than letting Big G scrape your inbox.
Not the OP, but I have been using ProtonMail as my personal mail for a long time and it works really well for me.
How come yours does that and mine doesn't? Is there something on your computer trying to disable the ad blocker?
Brave has significant ideological issues, including its ties to cryptocurrency and that it replaces ads on sites with their own ads. And in the past they've done things like misusing their autocomplete to try to direct users to affiliates. Not to mention that it's still Chromium under the hood, like basically every other major browser except Firefox.
It's also run by crypto shills, and they got caught editing URLs to be referral links (!) a while back.
I’m on brave but for lemmy I have to switch to another browser. Cannot login on lemmy with brave (the button is looping indefinitely)
That's not a Brave specific issue; I've seen it frequently on Chrome (desktop) and on Safari (mobile). In particular, I've observed it when attempting to post a comment; usually when that happens I need to copy out my comment content, reload the page, paste the content back in and hit the Reply button again.
I don't know for certain, but I'm guessing the cause has something to do with the Lemmy servers being overtaxed due to "Rexxit" related increased user activity. Of course, if that guess is correct, I'm afraid we can only anticipate the problem getting worse over the next several days.
Login works for me in Brave perfectly fine, try just disabling the Brave shields for the website instead, it fixes like 95% of any website functionality issues.
@Tibert What does this have to do with Google? Isn't this Facebook?
This is Google trying to limit the use of Adblock in their Browser (Google Chrome).