Here's a possibly-controversial take, but joining the army isn't really even close to the best analogy for a male-dominated industry where you "sell your body".
Being a labourer is. Working in industries like construction, but not as a skilled tradesman. It doesn't carry the same moral weight riley was going for though.
To join the US military you have to literally sign over your bodily autonomy to join. Once you do then they can pump you full of experimental drugs, or run whatever other ungodly experiments, all they want. I know someone who considered joining then backed out when this allegedly happened.
Anyway, never heard of Riley before but seems nice. Hope she supports our troops and offers military discount for her OnlyFans.
By ungodly experiments, he means your typical round of vaccinations.
Also, there's a waiver for just about anything in the military. If there's an actual medical concern with vaccinations, then you can apply for a waiver. The problem is when people confuse an actual medical condition with a conspiracy theory they read on the internet.
I assume this is what they're talking about: "Under the Defense Authorization Act, the President is authorized to waive the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act's (the act) informed consent requirements in military operations if the President finds that obtaining consent is infeasible or contrary to the best interests of recipients and on an additional ground that obtaining consent is contrary to national security interests."
US Soldiers are given many vaccines to prepare them for various diseases abroad or weaponized. Historically, refusing could result in sever penalties. I also think it's been normally questioned whether some vaccines given were experimental or rushed, but could find no explicit proof that's happened before.
True, you're far more likely to die working menial laborer jobs than you are in the military.
Laborers are providing direct goods to the people they supply too. The military is far more intangible with prevention being the key factor for it's expense.
In the United States, there were far more occupational injury deaths among men than women. In 2020, there were 4,377 male occupational injury deaths in the United States, compared to 387 deaths among women.
I highly doubt they consider suicide for occupational hazards too which is strange in hindsight considering the military accounts for it now. One of the few things they do ahead of the woke curve lol. First responders as well.
So in reality you'd need to remove both suicide and illness from the military's numbers to equal laborers.
363 died in the military then vs 4,774.
Even hostile deaths... 9 in hostile action and 37 homicides... Meanwhile there were 392 workplace homicides. 37,060 nonfatal intentional injuries.
Right, but you're also not in mortal danger when you're fitting pipes in Nebraska vs. Baghdad.
Oh man, this is wrong.
In. 2022, there were 500k plumbers in the US, I don't have exact numbers for how many pipe fitters there were, but it's a position that's always in high demand, safe to say that very few of that 500k number are pipe fitters, less than a quarter. So let's say 100k pipe fitters which is honestly, probably generous.
There were 70 fatal accidents involving pipe fitters. Not injuries, fatal accidents only. That is a ratio of .0006.
The US military boasted 1.3 million members that year, and 270 fatal accidents, and 0 to enemy action. A ratio of .0002.
You are 2/3rd less likely to die in the armed forces then you are pipe fitting.
That's interesting, but it would be perhaps more interesting to compare the yearly average accross a longer time frame. Also didn't a bunch of people get lung cancer and die as a result of burn pits? I'm sure people died years later from exposure to other hazards too, not to mention how many people commit suicide after.
Also this isn't to say pipe fitting isn't a dangerous job, I am just interested how the statistics would look over a longer time frame and with consideration of deaths that occur after service, but still as a result.
So there's a few things happening here that are causing industrial numbers to surpass American military rates of injury.
We are not actively in conflict with any other nation, so being in the military is no more dangerous than any industrial occupation because of conflict.
The military is, generally, safer than any one occupation, but the military is also a monolith. Saying it's safer in the military is kind of like saying office jobs in the US are more dangerous than pipe fitting. You're essentially comparing numerous disparate positions to one type of work, and that skews your results. It would be more accurate to compare rates of incidents in say, front line infantrymen to any particular other field.
It's also worth pointing out that the military has it's own plumbers, and they do their own pipe fitting. Statistics on the rates of injury there are a little harder to come by.
But more to the specific points you mentioned: yes, and that's not the first time the military has accidently killed or seriously injured it's own people. These incidents happen in civilian world too and arguably, more frequently. The US industrial labor pool is 10 times the size of the military, and negligent safety hazards come up every year. Rates of suicide are also lower in the military than in the general population, and a variety of factors contribute to that.
I picked the most recent year for which information is available, I gathered the summary information from statistics that others had already done.
These reports are prepared yearly, I'm not sure what you expect. It's literally how statistics are done. It's an industrial standard. Do you expect that people only work for 1 year out of their lives while everyone in the military is stuck there for 8?
I dunno man it sounds like you're just being dense on purpose because you've run out of room to argue.
What I hate with this is that is defines that the army itself is good or bad. But in reality it is what it is used for.
If its actually used for defence, then it's very honorable. When it's used as a tool to exploit resources to the rich, (aka generally being the aggressor), it's not.
But war means more than sacrificing your body or personal reputation. War is giving up your whole personal conscience to fight for what the group believes is the most direct action in response to an event
If you wait til you are attacked, you may not be trained or ready enough to actually defend your country from the attack. You can still join in times of peace with intentions of defense for the future, helping with disaster relief, and providing international aid.
I would never compare, being a sex worker is obviously incredibly more honorable
But...saying that something is more honorable than something else is comparing them?
EDIT: to be clear, her point is absolutely valid. This isn't (to misquote a replier) "But I must find way for sex lady be dumb". Her actual point is spot-on. This particular linguistic evolution just feels weird to me - feels like the new "literally".
According to my ex, who prides herself to be a social worker and a conflict solver, relationships are built solely on sex, not on interpersonal connections. But then again, she also thinks that you shouldn't ever apologize because it shows a lack of self-esteem, called the police on her best friend because she was jealous of her hooking up while she didn't and regularly posts "memes" about how terrible everyone else is on Facebook. Maybe she's just a nutcase.
That may just be her, and I kinda feel bad for her. That sounds like a lot of maladjustment and projection. My friends say they had some regulars who'd start the sessions telling them about their lives and showing them pictures of their kids. Touch and validation can be a form of medicine. Everyone needs to feel wanted. We are social creatures. Incels are one example of those starved from such things.
I don't think I'll ever understand why women who choose to enter the sex trade are demonised. It's a job, some enjoy it and some don't, but everyone enjoys getting paid. Though the comparison between people who rent their bodies (sex workers do get to keep their own bodies after work) and people who gamble their bodies (soldiers don't always get to come home as part of the job) is a little off.
I'd compare sex work to sex work. War is war whether or not you want to include women or not. It just happens to be that most straight people prefer not to have unnecessary wars without personal benefit. If we created conscious war machines with their own minds, autonomy and conscience, then we would probably have trouble. Especially with all the anti-war memes and how peace loving myself and the vast majority of humanity is.
Yeah she seems fun, if I was the sort of person to spend money on entertainment rather than participating in the free access community commons then I would probably give her 13.99 just to enjoy her trolling.
What's wrong is framing another human being entirely by how they serve you, and what they can or can't do, possibly before they ever meat you, by how it makes you feel 🤮
But isn't saying that bad in the current culture? I couldn't care less what people do for a living if it has nothing to do with me. But if I'm considering someone to be part of my life I don't want them to have an only fans, past or present, and a lot of people act like that's a terrible view to have.
I am not lying. I couldn't give less of a shit. My mother writes novels involving prison blowjobs. If someone wants to see her 81-year-old naked self getting fucked and she wants to make money from it, good for her.
I wonder if the kids of the porn-star dad feel the exact same way? Riddled with the shame and horror of a dad who blasts puss all day long.
Probably not right? It might even be "cool" to have a motorbike driving porn star dad. Which makes me think that perhaps this isn't so much "disgust about porn stars" as much as it is "disgust with WOMEN who do porn".
I believe that men don't like the idea of normalising women doing porn, because it makes women sexually confident and aware. "if my girlfriend has slept with insert number here guys, she'll never stay with me because how can I complete?".
It's a deep seated insecurity thing, possibly because us men put too much weight into sexual performance. If we aren't THE BEST SEX OF HER LIFE, then we've failed. If she's had sex with that many men, the chances of us being THE BEST reduces.
So if all men can maintain the societal stigma, hopefully women will refrain from too many partners, and we can keep our egos nice and untested.
Stigmas aside, statistically people who have lots of sex end up struggling to maintain long lasting relationships... both men and women.
It's just not healthy at a certain point.
I'm also fairly certain most kids would be ashamed of their dad being a porn star as well, especially when they start getting harassed by other kids about it. It would take super human coping skills to deal with it without suffering trauma.
I understand most recent studies have suggested that the association between multiple partners and divorce rates is decreasing, possibly due to stigmas around sexual resumés also decreasing.
If the problem with porn star parents is these kids getting harassed by their peers, wouldn't that be solved by shifting societal attitudes? Kids used to beat up black school kids, and that's certainly dropped off since the 30s.
I imagine that's the intention of circulating the quote "sex work is real work", to change perceptions over time.
I'm sure your argument could be (and likely still is) used to maintain stigmas around homosexuality, especially with the "two dad's/mums" routine. Like, you couldn't tell a mixed race couple not to have children because "it would take super human coping skills to deal with it without suffering trauma".
Ah yes, that god awful mentality of..
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Respecting women as human beings rather than objects for you to control (before and after) you attempt to penetrate and grow babies in.
Here's a possibly-controversial take, but joining the army isn't really even close to the best analogy for a male-dominated industry where you "sell your body".
Being a labourer is. Working in industries like construction, but not as a skilled tradesman. It doesn't carry the same moral weight riley was going for though.
True, but it's not just about labor.
To join the US military you have to literally sign over your bodily autonomy to join. Once you do then they can pump you full of experimental drugs, or run whatever other ungodly experiments, all they want. I know someone who considered joining then backed out when this allegedly happened.
Anyway, never heard of Riley before but seems nice. Hope she supports our troops and offers military discount for her OnlyFans.
Wait, what?
I'm gonna need a source on that one my guy.
By ungodly experiments, he means your typical round of vaccinations.
Also, there's a waiver for just about anything in the military. If there's an actual medical concern with vaccinations, then you can apply for a waiver. The problem is when people confuse an actual medical condition with a conspiracy theory they read on the internet.
I doubt that; more likely they were thinking along the lines of agent orange
I was thinking more along the lines of the Bikini Atoll tests which included tens of thousands of people in the Navy but yeah.
I assume this is what they're talking about: "Under the Defense Authorization Act, the President is authorized to waive the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act's (the act) informed consent requirements in military operations if the President finds that obtaining consent is infeasible or contrary to the best interests of recipients and on an additional ground that obtaining consent is contrary to national security interests."
https://www.fda.gov/science-research/clinical-trials-and-human-subject-protection/protection-human-subjects-informed-consent-exception-general-requirements#:~:text=Under%20the%20Defense%20Authorization%20Act,on%20an%20additional%20ground%20that
I dunno, I think, for a modern example, PB pills are pretty bad.
US Soldiers are given many vaccines to prepare them for various diseases abroad or weaponized. Historically, refusing could result in sever penalties. I also think it's been normally questioned whether some vaccines given were experimental or rushed, but could find no explicit proof that's happened before.
Military personnel sue for use in experimental agent testing.
Experimental drugs given to soldiers during the Gulf war
See also the Burn pits, Agent Orange, CTE and other effects from prolonged exposure to crew weapons use, and the working conditions inside AC-130s and related health effects
I don't mean this to sound rude, but it's fairly common knowledge
Depends on your definition of mortal danger and how OSHA compliant your work site is.
I get what you're going for, but having worked in construction in Ohio I can say that yes, sometimes people do take potshots at you/around you.
i'm still going to choose popcorn lung over being blown the fuck up
True, you're far more likely to die working menial laborer jobs than you are in the military.
Laborers are providing direct goods to the people they supply too. The military is far more intangible with prevention being the key factor for it's expense.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187127/number-of-occupational-injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/
9 military people die from hostile action in 2020. 317/1017 in accidents. 190 illness. 406 suicide.
https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/app/summaryData/deaths/byYearManner
I highly doubt they consider suicide for occupational hazards too which is strange in hindsight considering the military accounts for it now. One of the few things they do ahead of the woke curve lol. First responders as well.
So in reality you'd need to remove both suicide and illness from the military's numbers to equal laborers.
363 died in the military then vs 4,774.
Even hostile deaths... 9 in hostile action and 37 homicides... Meanwhile there were 392 workplace homicides. 37,060 nonfatal intentional injuries.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2022/workplace-violence-homicides-and-nonfatal-intentional-injuries-by-another-person-in-2020.htm
Oh man, this is wrong.
In. 2022, there were 500k plumbers in the US, I don't have exact numbers for how many pipe fitters there were, but it's a position that's always in high demand, safe to say that very few of that 500k number are pipe fitters, less than a quarter. So let's say 100k pipe fitters which is honestly, probably generous.
There were 70 fatal accidents involving pipe fitters. Not injuries, fatal accidents only. That is a ratio of .0006.
The US military boasted 1.3 million members that year, and 270 fatal accidents, and 0 to enemy action. A ratio of .0002.
You are 2/3rd less likely to die in the armed forces then you are pipe fitting.
That's interesting, but it would be perhaps more interesting to compare the yearly average accross a longer time frame. Also didn't a bunch of people get lung cancer and die as a result of burn pits? I'm sure people died years later from exposure to other hazards too, not to mention how many people commit suicide after.
Also this isn't to say pipe fitting isn't a dangerous job, I am just interested how the statistics would look over a longer time frame and with consideration of deaths that occur after service, but still as a result.
So there's a few things happening here that are causing industrial numbers to surpass American military rates of injury.
We are not actively in conflict with any other nation, so being in the military is no more dangerous than any industrial occupation because of conflict.
The military is, generally, safer than any one occupation, but the military is also a monolith. Saying it's safer in the military is kind of like saying office jobs in the US are more dangerous than pipe fitting. You're essentially comparing numerous disparate positions to one type of work, and that skews your results. It would be more accurate to compare rates of incidents in say, front line infantrymen to any particular other field.
It's also worth pointing out that the military has it's own plumbers, and they do their own pipe fitting. Statistics on the rates of injury there are a little harder to come by.
But more to the specific points you mentioned: yes, and that's not the first time the military has accidently killed or seriously injured it's own people. These incidents happen in civilian world too and arguably, more frequently. The US industrial labor pool is 10 times the size of the military, and negligent safety hazards come up every year. Rates of suicide are also lower in the military than in the general population, and a variety of factors contribute to that.
First of all, KIA MIA for 2022 is 0, I did add them.
People who later die due to injury is also included, for both metrics. That's why these numbers are almost 2 years old.
What specifically was excluded were those who died to illness or self inflicted wounds.
I picked the most recent year for which information is available, I gathered the summary information from statistics that others had already done.
These reports are prepared yearly, I'm not sure what you expect. It's literally how statistics are done. It's an industrial standard. Do you expect that people only work for 1 year out of their lives while everyone in the military is stuck there for 8?
I dunno man it sounds like you're just being dense on purpose because you've run out of room to argue.
What I hate with this is that is defines that the army itself is good or bad. But in reality it is what it is used for. If its actually used for defence, then it's very honorable. When it's used as a tool to exploit resources to the rich, (aka generally being the aggressor), it's not.
Even simpler than that. People trying to slot sex work/army/any job into “good/bad” columns aren’t worth your attention.
Except for health insurance CEOs, those definitely bad.
But war means more than sacrificing your body or personal reputation. War is giving up your whole personal conscience to fight for what the group believes is the most direct action in response to an event
I mean, even for defence. Your settling, an argument, the rich and powerful people above you are having. You're settling it with your life.
If you think your side is right and you're ready to die fighting then who is anyone else to say that you, the tool, is wrong?
The people rescued from concentration camps would probably disagree.
Point 2 on your source: American forces liberated concentration camps including Buchenwald, Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, Dachau, and Mauthausen.
They all helped. Your comment doesn't invalidate mine.
In that case I might respectfully suggest looking into an introductory course to logic if you're at all interested. http://intrologic.stanford.edu/chapters/chapter_01.html
Oh I know.
See, that's an easy question to answer: Did you, or whoever, join the military while the US, or your country, was being attacked?
If you wait til you are attacked, you may not be trained or ready enough to actually defend your country from the attack. You can still join in times of peace with intentions of defense for the future, helping with disaster relief, and providing international aid.
Joining to support the aggressor makes you the aggressor.
But...saying that something is more honorable than something else is comparing them?
EDIT: to be clear, her point is absolutely valid. This isn't (to misquote a replier) "But I must find way for sex lady be dumb". Her actual point is spot-on. This particular linguistic evolution just feels weird to me - feels like the new "literally".
"equate" is the correct word but we still knew what they meant.
Just being a pedant, but equating two things is still a comparison.
It means to make a connection, not a comparison. Your connecting the concept of comparison to the concept of equating is equating however.
Image, like me in your mom, failed to load.
That’s a very “I use an app on a phone to access Lemmy” problem.
I posted it and it won’t load on my end haha.
It’s a slow clap.
I don't sell my body because nobody wants it.
No, don't say that. Everybody has parts that are desirable!
- organ traders
Just saw this post, very relevant
Nicko Avocado has an OF, so don't sell yourself short.
Just try renting it out then.
in this economy?
Think about how much you could get if you rented your armpit to a family of four!
Then the wolves came
How much Kool aid do you need to drink to think a soldiers job is "saving people"? Except for medics that's pretty much the opposite of the point.
I thought all American soldiers died far away from home so Americans can bake apple pie and sleep on red white and blue bed sheets.
According to former US president Donald Trump, the soldiers that died abroad are all losers and suckers because a good soldier doesn't die.
Accidentally correct Trump until that last part
Red, white and blue bedsheets made by our worst enemy, China. How's that for Murrica.
saw this one recently, old school shamers have no chance these days, just pack it up bro
Tbf the bros probably knew what she was up to and just all took the win
Makes me think of Always Sunny and how Dee thought he was really showing those guys by having sex with them and rating them poorly lol
Exactly my thought too "hey are you the whore who bangs everybody?"
everyone playing each other
Grabs popcorn, sorts by top, scrolls to bottom.
No controversial sort sadge
What platform/app are you using that lets you sort by top? I'm on Sync and don't think it's possible
You can sort by top in sync. Tap the icon next to the 3 dot menu in the top right and select your sort option.
I'm on Jerboa. It gives you almost all the same sorting options for coments as it does for posts.
I'm on Connect and sort by top works
thank you for your service 🤝
If you work for a living, you're a prostitute - you're selling your physical and mental health just to survive no different than sex workers.
The term prostitute literally translates to "to offer up for sale" - and, guess what, that pretty much describes the entire working class.
I hope she makes tons of money.
Found out my work is getting a new chemical. The chemical is so volatile that if it splashes on you, it will potentially burn you into nothing.
I am fodder for the machines of industry.
Sex workers are the original social workers.
According to my ex, who prides herself to be a social worker and a conflict solver, relationships are built solely on sex, not on interpersonal connections. But then again, she also thinks that you shouldn't ever apologize because it shows a lack of self-esteem, called the police on her best friend because she was jealous of her hooking up while she didn't and regularly posts "memes" about how terrible everyone else is on Facebook. Maybe she's just a nutcase.
That may just be her, and I kinda feel bad for her. That sounds like a lot of maladjustment and projection. My friends say they had some regulars who'd start the sessions telling them about their lives and showing them pictures of their kids. Touch and validation can be a form of medicine. Everyone needs to feel wanted. We are social creatures. Incels are one example of those starved from such things.
Maybe. Yes.
I don't think I'll ever understand why women who choose to enter the sex trade are demonised. It's a job, some enjoy it and some don't, but everyone enjoys getting paid. Though the comparison between people who rent their bodies (sex workers do get to keep their own bodies after work) and people who gamble their bodies (soldiers don't always get to come home as part of the job) is a little off.
Lotta stupid discussions on the internet
Oh, well, hello fellow sophisticants. Sorry, I was referring to someone else.
That guy looks exactly like what you would expect someone saying that to look like
I love this OF model. Hot and funny.
What a stupid tweet. And this post trying hard to start drama.
We live in a free society. Nobody is telling her she cannot work. She's just mad cause nobody respects her because she has no dignity left.
She has far more dignity than you. She has far more clout here than you do, too.
Tankie simp.
Stop following me around... your copium requirements is your problem - not mine.
Neither of them are respectable
"I only look at drawn pornography." -ThatWeirdGuy1001, probably
I'd compare sex work to sex work. War is war whether or not you want to include women or not. It just happens to be that most straight people prefer not to have unnecessary wars without personal benefit. If we created conscious war machines with their own minds, autonomy and conscience, then we would probably have trouble. Especially with all the anti-war memes and how peace loving myself and the vast majority of humanity is.
Did anyone else even understand what this person was saying?
that profile pic she is using is not the most sexiest I have seen but now that I am invested I guess I will have to have a look at her page....
That lady is busy! Her wholesome Instagram is pretty good
Yeah she seems fun, if I was the sort of person to spend money on entertainment rather than participating in the free access community commons then I would probably give her 13.99 just to enjoy her trolling.
Do what you want to do with your body, but don't be upset when I don't want to associate with you and educate people about what you do for a living.
Clearly you're talking about the army.
What's wrong is framing another human being entirely by how they serve you, and what they can or can't do, possibly before they ever meat you, by how it makes you feel 🤮
Oh yeah, being an ableist misogynist is a great way to prove you actually value or even just respect women.. 🙄🙄🙄
Dignity and standards he says while using the r word.
Then continue rejecting people while those who are accepting and loving continue to unite different ideas. <3
You'll have a lovely little tribe to be happy in I'm sure.
Thanks:)
But isn't saying that bad in the current culture? I couldn't care less what people do for a living if it has nothing to do with me. But if I'm considering someone to be part of my life I don't want them to have an only fans, past or present, and a lot of people act like that's a terrible view to have.
No, you can disqualify partners for whatever you want. Anyone can. It's all personal preference. Just don't be an asshole about it.
Freedom of Association.
The Golden Rule
And you are getting downvotes lol, really shows the mentality of people here
The mentality of "stop trying to control what women do with their bodies, you insecure cave troll"
Would you be comfortable with your mom doing that? If you answer yes you are lying.
That is all that needs to be said.
Good try though my ignorant friend.
I am not lying. I couldn't give less of a shit. My mother writes novels involving prison blowjobs. If someone wants to see her 81-year-old naked self getting fucked and she wants to make money from it, good for her.
If you believe that you are only lying to yourself, because no child of a whore "couldn't give a shit".
Lie one more time and I'm blocking you so I never have to deal with your ignorance again.
Well, you know me better than I do.
I know people, and on certain levels, we are all the same.
From your perpective - what mentity do you see? I'd love to understand
I wonder if the kids of the porn-star dad feel the exact same way? Riddled with the shame and horror of a dad who blasts puss all day long.
Probably not right? It might even be "cool" to have a motorbike driving porn star dad. Which makes me think that perhaps this isn't so much "disgust about porn stars" as much as it is "disgust with WOMEN who do porn".
I believe that men don't like the idea of normalising women doing porn, because it makes women sexually confident and aware. "if my girlfriend has slept with insert number here guys, she'll never stay with me because how can I complete?".
It's a deep seated insecurity thing, possibly because us men put too much weight into sexual performance. If we aren't THE BEST SEX OF HER LIFE, then we've failed. If she's had sex with that many men, the chances of us being THE BEST reduces.
So if all men can maintain the societal stigma, hopefully women will refrain from too many partners, and we can keep our egos nice and untested.
That's a lot of speculation.
Stigmas aside, statistically people who have lots of sex end up struggling to maintain long lasting relationships... both men and women.
It's just not healthy at a certain point.
I'm also fairly certain most kids would be ashamed of their dad being a porn star as well, especially when they start getting harassed by other kids about it. It would take super human coping skills to deal with it without suffering trauma.
I understand most recent studies have suggested that the association between multiple partners and divorce rates is decreasing, possibly due to stigmas around sexual resumés also decreasing.
If the problem with porn star parents is these kids getting harassed by their peers, wouldn't that be solved by shifting societal attitudes? Kids used to beat up black school kids, and that's certainly dropped off since the 30s.
I imagine that's the intention of circulating the quote "sex work is real work", to change perceptions over time.
I'm sure your argument could be (and likely still is) used to maintain stigmas around homosexuality, especially with the "two dad's/mums" routine. Like, you couldn't tell a mixed race couple not to have children because "it would take super human coping skills to deal with it without suffering trauma".
Ah yes, that god awful mentality of..
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Respecting women as human beings rather than objects for you to control (before and after) you attempt to penetrate and grow babies in.
Ignorant much?