After Sidney Powell pleads guilty in Georgia case, Trump claims she was 'never' his attorney, despite their past ties | CNN Politics
Semantics.
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What's the strategy in that? Claiming she was never his attorney forfeits what shreds of privilege might be left of their communications and is also one less person he can blame "advice of counsel" on.
Nothing really counts anyway as I'm betting nearly all of their discussions involved crimes, which aren't protected by attorney client privilege.
It's funny though, trump acting like there isn't record of their relationship.
Minor correction: Admitting you committed a crime in the past is protected. The attorney can still tiptoe around the fact that they know you committed it, by defending you on procedural or clerical grounds. For instance, they can attack the evidence that has been submitted against you, because it was mishandled, or because the equipment used to gather it hadn’t been calibrated recently enough, or for any number of reasons. Even if they know you committed the crime, they can still ensure that your court proceedings are fair.
Admitting that you plan on committing future crimes is not covered. The attorney can’t be party to future crimes, and admitting you plan on committing crimes makes them a co-conspirator if they don’t rat you out.
But if the attorney is party to the crimes then the discussion is not privileged (to my understanding).
Read my second paragraph, because I covered that already. The attorney can’t help you plan or execute future crimes, because that makes them a co-conspirator.
And from what I’ve read, that’s pretty much exactly what Trump tried to do. He apparently tried to use the “hypothetically if I were to commit this crime, what would be the best way to do it” method. The issue is that this is just a blatant attempt at getting around things, and courts don’t tend to like it when you try to skirt their rules.
To be pedantic, you specifically said future crimes. A discussion between a lawyer and a client, about past crimes where the lawyer was a participant in the crime are not covered.
Was mostly gone when she signed the plea deal. Crime-Fraud Exemption kicks in.
To be clear, attorney-client privilege does not exist when the client and the attorney collaborated on committing a crime.
Bets on him claiming that she was never his lawyer and yet attorney client privilege still applies for some reason?
He’s going to just say she’s fabricating everything. Probably will start insulting her about irrelevant things soon too.
She's not my type, believe me folks
If he says this I have to assume they've fucked.
I would love to see it, as that would be a violation of his gag orders.
So in other words, he’ll definitely do it and face the serious consequences of the judge giving him a stern warning.
Have any of those been actually enforced yet?
Yes, he was fined $5K the other week and given further warning.
That's like a judge fining me $1.
Because his legal defense wasn't based on claiming attorney-client; it was based on the idea that he was just asking legal hypotheticals to / legal advice from legal experts
Now two of these lawyers have taken plea deals to (presumably) testify against Trump. Also, by virtue of the guilty plea in this case where Trump is a codefendant, that privilege would likely be voided anyway
That was a challenging first sentence to read.
Stollen is legit though, highly recommend.
Stöllen is my favorite 80s metal band.
I haven't listened to Trump speak since 2015. It's not worth it.
I'll DM you the audio recording from my last exceedingly challenging bowl movement. That will be a close approximation of the real thing.
He did, and it was.
Nice try
Thanks.
Edit: my app made it look like this was a reply to me lol
Someone needs to tell these people that facts don't care about feelings.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/trumps-denial-that-sidney-powell-was-ever-his-lawyer-prompts-internet-sleuths-to-post-clip-of-giuliani-calling-her-exactly-that/
He is truly his own worst enemy.
And everyone else's
Step 1 - "She was never my attorney."
Step 2 - "All our conversations are confidential attorney/client privelege."
Ah so it's more like:
Step 1: attorney/client privilege no longer applies due to guilty plea.
Step 2: disown
I'm assuming this is what got her a plea deal, but of course I'm an internet rando and I don't know for sure.
When he finally ends up in prison where he belongs, he'll claim he was never Donald Trump.
"You can't convict me of trying to overturn the election as President because I was never the President and wasn't a candidate!"
It was John Bannon!
It's John Baron, I believe.
Steve McCarthy? Tim Apple?
I was pretty tired when I wrote that. Thanks
It was the other president, Obama who won in 2016...
man he's got such a distinct firehose of words constantly incriminating himself but also trying to cover up incriminating himself. 'I dont even know this girl, she's a criminal that's never worked for me, but her only crime is saying what I've been saying this entire time, the election was stolen and I support everything she does, amazing woman, I have nothing to do with her'
It's his Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Everybody slings that term around like it's widely applicable. It's not. People that meet the DSM V "rules" are fairly rare. Trump knocks it out the park like no human I've ever heard of, let alone met IRL.
Here's his thinking on this one:
He's not lying, he truly believes the shit he says. Mom was like this. She would say shit that was demonstrably false, did not matter, she was right. Ever known another human for 50 years and never heard them admit fault, even a tiny, tiny bit? It's straight freaky.
There's literally deposition in front of lawyers, in various court cases, with Trump being taped, on video, saying "well, if it feels true, then it must be true!"
One was the Trump University case where he was claiming that it was fine that people who had never even met him were saying they had been personally instructed by Donald Trump, because "if they felt that way, then it was true in a way" and therefore not fraud.
The other one was him suing a New York Times journalist who had found that Trump was really only worth somewhere between $150 and $250 million. Trump claimed that he was worth more than $2.7 billion and therefore sued for $5 billion.
In the deposition, Trump claimed his wealth fluctuated and depended on his feelings on any given day.
I have the unfortunate experience of knowing people who hit every single characteristic on the list. Lack of empathy, defensiveness, aggressive gibberish, gaslighting, lying, fragile ego, impatience, desire for attention, social media addiction, lack of appreciation, willingness to take advantage of other people while offering them nothing, envy, difficulty interacting with people normally, problems with seeing how others perceive their behavior, hidden insecurity.
Anyway, he’s such a habitual liar that it doesn’t matter to him whether he really believes something or remembers it to be true. It’s the new story and he’ll stick to it for as long as needed.
Are we brothers? Sorry man, I know exactly how you must feel.🤜
This is very very bad for Trump because Powell is also a defendant in Jack Smith's federal case being tried under Judge Chutkan.
Powell obviously knows that her guilty plea in Georgia can and will be used by Smith in the federal case, so what it basically says is that she's going to be a cooperating witness (she really has no choice) for Smith as well.
Powell was there at the infamous December 18th meeting wherein things like shutting down all voting and declaring martial law were allegedly discussed. This in turn means that she can provide convincing and potentially damning evidence as to Trump's knowledge of and intent with regard to how the election had actually played out, and specifically with regard to his desire to overturn it.
There's a lot more to be said about this, but I have to go make dinner.
I hope your making popcorn for all of us!
Trump's biggest defense against her testimony was attorney/client privilege.
And now he's saying that didn't exist.
Lol. These asshats waste no time throwing each other under the bus. 🍿
They have a bus driving around picking those up who were thrown inder the bus. Like a wheel, it doesn't end.
Well, there will be more than enough signed statements and other written communication to prove the contrary, I'm sure.
One book, "The Kraken Lady, 2020 Election Fraud And Me: This Sort of Thing Is My Bag, Baby", written by Donald Trump.
It's actually better if he sticks to that claim, that means he can't claim any communications with her were privileged and thus inadmissible.
His claims will change to whatever he thinks is most advantageous in the moment.
If you present evidence of him claiming the contrary he'll just say he never said that.
Works in the media, but you can't do it in court.
Fakenews amiright? /s
ABL - Always Be Lying
Always be lying.
Always be lying.
Always be lying.
She has literal receipts though. Because she's one of the few people he actually paid.
Well kids. This is why we pay our co-conspirator's legal bills. And our own legal bills. And why we listen to advice of counsel. And why we remain loyal to those who are loyal to us.
Oh yeah, and skipping on the crimes helps as well.
was never his attorney because he never paid her bills?
Ah, so what you're saying is that attorney-client privilege doesn't apply to your communications with her, since she was never your attorney, right?
Nice try fuck face. You're literally on TV talking to, about, and with her. Fuck, this guy is insufferable. I'd go to church everyday and pray to whatever God would end his existence* so we don't have to listen to this shit anyone.
*not condoning any violence against another human being by a human being; only divine intervention which seems to be a thing people believe in and how it can happen by magic sky daddies
He can't just go one day without throwing everything under a bus can he lol. Is the only person he hasn't his daughter (who he wants to bang) or has he done the same to her yet lol.
He doesn’t want to ruin his chances with her.
I’m waiting for him to claim that he’s lactose-intolerant now that Chesebro has also flipped.
"Sidney? I don't even know the guy!"
I'm waiting for trump to insult her looks and say she's not his type.
There is video of trump fondling his former attorney Rudy Giuliani.
It's a classic. The level of hypocrisy from Republicans is just unreal. Politics has always been filled with hypocrisy and jadedness, but the current party just takes it to a level I haven't seen in my life.
Well, at least he seems to know who she is this time.
Not exactly “I don’t know her” but close enough for government work.
Also, “STOLLEN, Part Deux”
Ahh - throwing out the "attorney/client privilege" defense?
Bold strategy.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former President Donald Trump claimed Sidney Powell was “never” his attorney in a social media post Sunday, three days after she pleaded guilty in the Georgia election subversion case.
Trump publicly announced on November 15, 2020, that he “added” Powell to his “truly great team” of lawyers working on the election.
And she met with Trump on multiple occasions, including a December 2020 White House meeting where he considered naming her as a special counsel to look for voter fraud.
This was the infamous meeting where there was discussion of declaring martial law and ordering the military to seize voting machines.
In her guilty plea, Powell admitted her role in the January 2021 breach of election systems in rural Coffee County, Georgia.
They did this after Trump declined to sign an executive order directing the Pentagon to seize voting machines.
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Uh oh, I think donnie the Nepo Baby is getting nervous about someone flipping.
Trying to Mariah Carey his way out of his troubles...
"I never heard of her! I only met her a couple of times."
This seems easy to prove ether way. I would assume some paperwork exists with her listed as his legal representative.
Yeah good luck with that bub lol
“I don’t care about the truth! I have my own truth!“