Reddit mods are calling for an ‘affordable return’ for third-party apps
Some of Reddit’s most popular communities have posted open letters to the company with a series of requests regarding many key issues at the heart of the recent protests on the platform. They want a response by June 29th.
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It's way past this point now. Had reddit done this back when the shutdowns were first planned that would be one thing, but at this point they've demonstrated they can't be trusted, they don't care about their users or mods, and they're only interested in anything they think will increase the their profit margins for the IPO. If you aren't an investment firm they don't give a single shit about you past whatever damage you might do to their IPO plans.
Yep, that ship has sailed. Time for the mods to go make their own reddit, (with blackjack and affordable api) and leave that one to burn itself down.
I've already moved on from Reddit. I've deleted all of my content and unsubbed from about half of everything I cared about. My feed is completely pruned and even then only about a quarter of it is OC not posted by bots or click bait titles.
Plex just recently reopened it's sub for another vote to reopen or go restricted and the amount of support to stay open is sickening. Everyone left has become so dependant on the platform that they can't see leaving it, which is exactly what Reddit was hoping for with this.
I was curious so I went and looked. Wow.
They’re inconvenienced so it should all end and we should all give up.
Really hope they’re never part of any union I’m a part of.
Same here -- I deleted my content twice. It's still there 🤷♂️. My accounts are gone though!
Also a poll at this point doesn’t make much sense since the people who are still there probably don’t care about everything that has happened so of course they’re going to vote to reopen.
Yeah, the behavior by spez and the company as a whole afterwards was abysmal. Trying to gaslight Christian was the last straw for me (lucky he had the call logs). It went from "I'm going to use reddit much less because my third party app is being killed" to "I actively hate this company and will go out of my way to avoid giving them any money at all".
The actions of the admins after the initial blackout were why I moved over to Lemmy.
Honestly it's too late to turn back.
The apps have already announced they are shutting down. Any attempt now to reverse course and beg the app developers to not leave would be making them return with a Damocles sword constantly hanging over their head.
Reddit showed their hand already, and it's just all Wild Draw 4s. They are here to ruin everyone's day and they cannot be trusted.
Yep, I feel exactly the same. I created and moderated about 10 smallish communities as well as moderating a few large ones 500k+, 2 of which i was the sole active mod. I'm done, admins can go fuck themselves.
undefined> Reddit is a cesspool.
I totally agree with you. In my case, I did not realize how much of a cesspool it was. I just got used to sifting through trash. I started using this platform and it has more interesting content. It has less content, but I think that's OK. Sometimes less is more. I don't feel like I'm scrolling endlessly through posts that are either lazy, superficial, or just not worth reading. Over here I've decided to avoid communities that look like they are migrations from subreddits because, low and behold, one of them had the same low-quality content with the same users posting the same kind of crap. For me, Lemmy is refreshing.
You think lemmy is immune from becoming a cesspool? If the masses come here itll become one soon enough. Every social media does.
I'm sure reddit will get right on that.
¯\(ツ)/¯
In the internal letter to their employees, spez said :
The way I see it some promise has been done by spez and they definitely won't change their minds.
Third party apps are just dead that's just how it is.
They're simply not going to be able to get that work done in the timeframe they said it'd be done. They're going to proudly claim that they've shipped it but when they release it it'll have the narrowest possible scope you can imagine - actually, no, it'll be narrower than even that. It's going to be missing major functions because reddit simply has no idea the things they need to put in, much less how to accomplish it.
Plus it's going to be super-bug-filled. But they're going to declare "Mission Accomplished", and say that anyone who doesn't like the new app is just anti-reddit, doesn't know understand what they've released, doesn't understand how to work things, etc, etc.
Fuck spez.
"The Chinese that bought our company demand we track everything. They gave us until July first to close down 3rd party apps or they pull our funding and reddit is dead. " Probably what is going on.
Sounds like the kind of thing you’d say with the expectation, and I dare say, hope that it would be leaked.
It's nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now. It's personal for spez now, and the company is simply going to barrel on and ignore all these letters and everything. They're committed to their stance now, and they're going to simply wait it out, until all the opposing people have left/been kicked out and all that is left of reddit the community are those who either still support them or who don't care. It's sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it's time to accept that and move on.
They never were. They have the numbers. They knew there was money to be made by killing off 3rd party apps. They knew they would piss people off. Really all they care about are the folks that subscribe to Reddit and/or use the native app. They view everyone else as a parasite. They made the calculation that killing 3rd party apps would have a small enough impact that it was worth it in the long run. That is all they wanted. They probably didn't count on the level of outrage they would create. They surely expected some, but definitely not this. They are in it for the long haul though. They will just wait people out to see what the damage actually is and then one day in a month or two they will talk about how minimal the impact was and how they saw very little loss of readership.
They are not in it for the long haul. It's all about the IPO.
I'd pour one out for dear old reddit, but I'm already moved on.
It will be interesting to see what happens after Friday, I wouldn't be surprised if when the mobile apps stop working, it will have an even more significant impact than we have seen so far.
It's been for a while IMO, I deleted my account a couple of years ago, and reduced my use to a couple of links to a few subreddits exclusively for lurking.
Bad idea, this looks like Stockholm syndrome to me.
Reddit has already shown they will screw everyone over, and no amount of blowback so far has gotten them to change course.
Leave (and optionally try to give Reddit as much hell as possible on the way out). That's the only answer now.
I don't think there is any redemption either, even if u/spez is removed. He's not the first bad head of the company, if anything the company has never had any good heads.
I made a script that changes all my old comments to gibberish, but I haven't used it yet. I can't decide if it's a good idea or not. I'm not saying that my old comments are extremely useful, but I wouldn't want to prevent people from reading or having context or any help I've given.
If you want to do that you might try doing it very slowly as minor edits. Like swap, add, or delete a couple of words in several posts per hour, and just let the script run for long periods, gradually degrading the usability of your comments over time.
I don't know if that would trigger whatever process Reddit is using to restore comments when users delete them, but there's got to be some detection algorithm they are using that could be avoided while also, eventually, nuking your content.
Sometimes if you get it to go too fast subs will ban you thinking you've used a bot so don't let it go wayyy to fast also.. what if you just change them all to say random stuff which changes periodically but all of the also say fuck u/spez because my understanding is that comments containing u/spez are being auto deleted by bots at this point.. maybe that's the most effective way to make that content actually disappear without repopulation
Thanks! Good suggestion, I will consider it.
They will simply roll your edits back.
Dont give them the clicks
Just move on
Maybe delete your account
All deleting your account does is remove your username from your comments while also removing your ability to delete or edit said comments. It makes more sense to keep it active so you have more control over your data.
Yeah, reddit is restoring bulk edits made using the api but you can still go to your user profile, sort by top scoring comments, and manually change your top 10-20 comments
I used PowerDeleteSuite on mine and the edits are staying in place so far
So you used it to only edit instead of delete? If it's possible I might give it a shot
Yep you can just edit all comments without deleting. I used to use the original version, but it didn't work this last time due to their rate-limiting. Using that forked version with the delay worked, but it took a long time.
And gives you a reason to stop visiting the site.
The data stopped belonging to you as soon as you posted it*
*unless you live somewhere GDPR applies or like california•*
•and if reddit actually complies•
Dude reddit isn't for you. It is okay. It is a business and they have a right to do whatever they want with their business, but IDK how many more ways they can say "You aren't important to me" before people stop saying "But I should be important to you!"
They're not wrong at all, but Reddit aren't going to change their mind and grant them their due respect. Like with Digg before it, the userbase will slowly migrate away if this keeps up.
Are you by any chance active on the WA discord?
I am indeed! And a lot of other places. Good to see you around the net.
This might be the first time I've seen someone I know from one place on the net and recognize them on another part of the net. Haha, small net!
It's fun, right? That's actually part of why I use the same name everywhere - I've had friends from a decade ago find me on Twitter and go "hey, did you play Runescape..?"
Makes the world feel a little less lonely when you find the faces and names you know!
Reddit has told them all to fuck off in a variety of ways for months.
At some point you gotta take the hint instead of trying to make peace with the abuser.
Yeah, I don’t think they’re saying that users aren’t important to Reddit; what they seem to wanna say is that Reddit doesn’t care whether or not users are important to them.
The only thing you can do at this point is quit, because Reddit will only budge when it’s too late for them.
What does the green tick next to your name mean?
$8/month Patreon supporter
Interesting how the first thing I felt when I read this was, "I hope Reddit doesn't".
Incredible how fast my fondness of Reddit went away in 1 week.
It's a platform whose time to die has arrived. The corpos are getting their hands on it, and nothing punk can be done with it anymore.
Fuck corpo shit. Burn corpo shit.
My hope is that all this drama makes the IPO not happen.
Nah, it would be better if IPO happens and the company's value evaporates overnight.
Probably wouldn't happen, but one can dream.
Hi look at Robinhood's stock chart since its IPO.
Robinhood got on our bad side, remember? We did some hella punk shit on Reddit.
Nowadays you can't use reddit like that. Bots, paid shills, shadow bans, silenced subreddits, co-opted mods, and now you can't even take your sub dark in protest. You're either a profitable end user or entirely unwelcome.
Agreed. Among many things, the whole debacle seemed to expose that no significant roadmap space was actually dedicated to improving the user experience. I saw the turn time on accessibility. Good luck actually developing all the stated improvements in the middle of summer. Even if they literally reversed on everything I still wouldn't good back.
That's been obvious since new reddit was released. Nobody asked for that. And the video player has been broken since it was released too. The chat has been full of spam since day one.
Even if reddit backpedals, many of these communities are now irreversibly fractured. From the ones that went dark and had moderation replaced, or creators left, to outright posting porn or shitposting John Oliver, all of these communities will take time to fix and go back to normal for every reason under the sun. Half of reddit is on fire and just as so, you can heal from a burn but it's never the same.
This abusive relationships has evolved again, and spez is still hitting you now he's burned you. To use Louis Rossmans words "it's not even about the api anymore. Look how the entire company acts when they're told they're wrong. Look how much they will do. How far they will go. Do you really want to invest your time or money as an investor in a company it's own users are actively trying to burn down?"
These mods are in an abusive relationship with Reddit. Like abusive husbands / wives, they are not going to change. Leave
From the article
Fucking fuck me sideways
Verge literally laughing at Reddit for that exact statement: https://www.tiktok.com/@verge/video/7248607902544448811
Reddit and tone-deaf responses, name a more iconic duo.
I don't see the point. If we've learned one thing already, it's that the users must control the platform. And that can never happen with Reddit
It's too late, the damage has already been done, and not just because of the pricing. Reddit's outright manipulative and malicious treatment of devs has already driven most of them to shut down their work with the company. I certainly wouldn't want to work with a platform that treats me like that, profitable or not.
The way they started replacing mods was the final nail in the coffin. That’s just a huge middle finger to all the users and mods alike.
Reddit don’t seem to realize that content curation is where the real value of the platform is. If mods weed out all the spam and crazy nonsense, the users will come and further curate by voting. If the mods have their hands tied behind their back due to API changes, the whole tower will fall. Just two more days until the downhill gets really steep. We are way beyond the point of no return as it is, so get your popcorn ready and enjoy the fireworks.
Just stop moderating them already. Don't go dark. Reddit will revert. Don't make it NSFW to stop ad profits. Reddit will revert. Just. Stop. Moderating.
Let it fill up with nudes and hate speech and then sure, let's have Reddit forcibly remove you. They'll pull in a new team of mods but if they're just picked out of the blue, they're unlikely to find the time and energy necessary to do it well because this takes passion and many teams were assembled carefully over time with votes and selection processes for a reason. It's often a team effort of passionate people. Moderating poorly risks putting the subreddit on collision course with the community but hey that is Spez and gang's problem, not yours.
I don't think there is any other language that Reddit understands than this. Mods -- take a breather and see what the world has to offer. It's not just all about Reddit.
Exactly. Stop moderating and remove any auto moderating bots. That's it. Let Reddit self destruct.
But they can't do it because Reddit moderators almost always have nothing else going for them. They cling to their moderator status so feverishly, if they gave it up they'd have nothing else going for them.
Great childish dehumanization for no reason
Reddit will then replace them, as they've threatened and reiterated through all of this
Yeah. In the beginning I was like "sure mods, let's start with protests, maybe that'll do something and if it doesn't... well it was nice while it lasted". But to think that some mods are still trying to negotiate after Reddit admins smeared their snoo poo on everything they engaged with the past couple of weeks. Sheesh, some people really have no idea when to call it quits. How can they be this power hungry? It's just self degrading at this point.
It's time to stop begging and start leaving.
Agreed. I think we need to establish a better migration system for users. It's honestly extremely easy to get set up on, say, lemmy.world. it took me a couple minutes to make an account, download apps, and log in on my computer and my phone.
I think a lot of redditors are afraid of having to learn a new thing and word on the street over there is that the federated communities are hard to understand. We need to let them know it's not that bad and provide easy steps to migrate. I think if they actually know how painless it can be, more would migrate.
Not to mention, many users just look at /r/all anyway, so they won't even need to worry about subscribing or navigating away from their local instance. I've been trying to include some very basic steps to get started and then, if they are so inclined, they can learn more about how the federation works as they go.
Gotta say, I thought it sounded a lil complicated at first. I’d heard ‘Lemmy.world’ mentioned a few times, so I came over and signed up…. And that’s it. There wasn’t anything complicated at all. Been here a few days now and loving it so far.
Exactly. What I'm seeing over on reddit almost seems like pro-reddit propaganda. They make it sound impossible to get into and inevitable to fail. But let's be honest, the numbers here have been impressive this last week. It'll probably only grow from here. I'm hoping my little comments here and there on reddit might help bring people over faster. Hopefully others can do the same.
I agree, and I’m trying to do the same. I just said this in a different thread somewhere else; but it seems to me like it’s less about how complicated the platform is, and more about how users are communicating about it.
Like, I don’t give a shit about the mod tools, or instances, or whatever else; I just want a place to come and look at art and read about game programming. Those more behind-the-scene details are cool, and certainly important, but it’s not a very good selling point for users who just want to leave Reddit and want something to fill that void.
Exactly... but at the same time, i like smaller communities, so if most of those people want to stay on reddit, let em.
Yeah its really tough in that regard. There was a lot of small communities that were hands down some of my favorites. Takes years for those kind of things to build.
Gotta start somewhere though.
My answer was stopping modding, stopping posting and now a data takeout and GDPR deletion request (and a complaint because they will fail to honor it) on the way out. I would have done it years ago if there was a place to migrate to.
It's gonna take a GDPR request on legal letterhead...
Reddit can suck it, I'm not going back.
Yeah, they've already shown us that they don't actually care about the communities, only the ad impressions.
I feel for the mods, both here and on Reddit. Disrespected by both users and admins, but doing the important work even if sometimes they come across as power-hungry or capricious.
Agreed.
Yes basically this. Whatever they do, I'm not going back either.
Same. It just feels depressing whenever I do go back. Doing it less and less frequently.
I didn't read anything in this thread, but I'd just like to give my opinion. I honestly don't care. Make it affordable if you wish, but if Lemmy keeps alive and well, I'm good at where I am.
Reddit doesn't want third party apps. They will get more money with their official app, simple as that.
For reddit you are just a wallet full of money. Spez doesn't see you in any other way, just walking money.
The prices are such that if anyone is stupid enough to pay for the API then Reddit is rolling in cash, conversely if they don't pay for it then they expect the users to use the official app instead and then the ad dollars pile in.
As many others have said - I'm not going back, just leave to this greener, federated pasture
The official app isn’t much of moneymaker, they just don’t want anyone else profiting from/controlling the experience of their product.
That's what people seem to be missing. Reddit isn't going to change their plans so that 3rd party apps can compete, they don't want 3rd party apps, period.
This feels very much like a “when someone shows you who they are, believe them” type scenario. Even if Reddit backtracks and courts 3rd party apps in their eco-system, they’ve shown themselves. They don’t care about communities, users, or mods.
When your abusive partner promises to stop beating you, you should not go back to the relationship. They will beat you again.
Looking at a subreddit that I joined right now, there is a poll about the future of the subreddit and the protest and 53% are to stay open.
MANY in the comments see the protest as useless and that it "hurts the community". While I agree with the point that it locks users out from the subreddit, especially for tech support, I can tell you that they all don't really care about this.
I also have seen someone create a replacement subreddit for the private one just to fill the gap.
And looking at all those Awards being given out in the posts about the AMAs and such, I have very little hope that something will change on Reddit's side.
I think, all the mods of those subreddits just pack up and leave to the alternatives like lemmy and let the Subreddits rot.
I see where you're coming from but I hope Reddit doesn't die. Yes this situation sucks, but there's a lot of valuable information on Reddit after years of indexing everyone and anyone's questions. Killing Reddit is akin to burning down the library of Alexandria (Not nearly as sever, but I'm sure you get the picture.)
At least before Reddit dies, I hope we find a way to archive all of that user data.
Idk, the pure volume of content could outweigh the library of Alexandra and Bagdad. Its not just memes, but every from text support, ask historians and pure input from people.
I think there should be archives available until march: https://archive.org/details/pushshift-reddit-2023-03/
EDIT: https://academictorrents.com/details/7c0645c94321311bb05bd879ddee4d0eba08aaee has others (from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36038684), then there is https://academictorrents.com/details/c861d265525c488a9439fb874bd9c3fc38dcdfa5 and https://academictorrents.com/details/9971c68d2909843a100ae955c6ab6de3e09c04a1
Data hoarder, let's go! No one knows how long, till Reddit sues archive org using DMCA
Relevant username
It would be preferable, if the idiots stay at reddit.
reddit took a downturn when Digg imploded. Now reddit is a lot like Digg was back then.
RIF: Reddit Is Finished, move on.
Couldn’t care less. Lemmy is already so much better than that cesspool. Reddit has been circling the drain for years.
Too late, the Lemmy is out of the box!
And getting shinier by the day
Reddit has given several responses, full of contempt, belittlement, and insults. Oh, and threats. Can’t forget the threats.
Hey reddit mods: reddit doesn’t give a damn about you, your sub, or the community you built. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it hurts. Don’t be a fool and wait around for another response. The sooner you move on from reddit, the better off you’ll be.
Offer me money.
Spez: Yes!
Power, too, promise me that.
Spez: All that I have and more. Please...
Offer me everything I ask for.
Spez: Anything you want...
I want Apollo back, you son of a bitch.
Reddit wants to kill 3PAs. What I don't understand is why they're going through the whole act of pretending that the API is going subscription when they're making it prohibitively expensive and only giving them a month to put it in place. Why not just be honest and shut it down to third parties entirely?
I mean Spez was ghost editing comments at one point and is trying to blackmail the creator of Apollo. He’s not a person of good character.
TBH, just what I expected from a Redditor.
/s
More so 4chan.
Yep. Even if Spez rolled everything back, he destroyed all trust we had in Reddit. No going back from that...
Simple, they hope some poor schmuck actually tries to make it work and instead of a reasonable split for the labour of the 3PA's dev they take basically all of it 🤪
Let’s see them deliver on those promised moderation tools by end of month. If they can’t or won’t hit that milestone then I have little faith in them doing anything else. (Not that I have any faith in them any more, just, you know.)
Anybody trying to save reddit at this point is a fool.
The scammers. Imagine being some dude at a sketch marketing firm who just bought a handful of high karma, organic accounts and were about to start advertising. I can't imagine the good quality ones are cheap. Turns out they're worth nothing now.
The open letters showed me those people only cared about their position in the first place. Otherwise they wouldn't be bargaining, knowing it's useless, they'd leave like the rest of us did
probably not. This ain't Star Trek, we don't know how to disintegrate a community, beam it down, and reintegrate it in the same shape in a different place.
the fall of Reddit implies the demise of many communities that called it home.
maybe it's fine in the long run, new communities form elsewhere and some of the people in the former end up in the latter, but it the short to mid term, it's traumatic for anybody that was emotionally invested.
I see those open letters as last ditch attempts to preserve a status-quo where maybe people can pretend a little longer that everything's okay.
in the end, everybody's gonna grieve this differently. I don't think it makes them bad people.
I don't think it makes them bad people, either, but this letter is so vague it sounds like begging.
Yeah, they just don't have a lot of leverage with Reddit in this struggle.
It's spez' sandbox, and it's our own fault for building sandcastles in it.
Some of them believed that their free labor was somehow irreplaceable or maybe just worth something, and that should mean they had some leverage, but Reddit's answer has been a resounding "lol no."
But that's the reason it's an open letter. Not to convince Reddit to stop being shitty, because they've been rather clear that they're committed to this, but to convince anyone else that Reddit is maybe not good, which might in turn impact whatever metrics they care about, and maybe finally provide some sliver of leverage.
I don't like their odds, but they're trying.
How about the; CaN't yOu ThINk AbOuT tHe CoMMunITy?!?!?! crap they have been telling themselves.
Just walk away, let them have their pile of turd and eat it too.
So, this part, at the bottom of the article, tells me everything I need to know. Reddit is going to keep chugging along with their ridiculous plan.
I haven't deleted my account on Reddit yet, still trying to delete my comments. Guess I should have used a tool.
I found an article that uses RES to bulk delete comments. It worked well for me.
https://www.alphr.com/how-to-delete-all-reddit-posts/
I changed the interval to 500ms like the mentioned, and it wiped my accounts 12 year history in a couple of minutes.
You should check your account again. They restored all my deleted content. Curious if it is the same for you.
It's worth going back and verifying that it stuck. There have been a ton of reports of people thinking they wiped their accounts, and then checking the next day, only to see that Reddit restored like half of them.
They should just abandon the site instead and leave Reddit to clean up the mess they've made.
Don’t forget to delete your history before you delete your account.
Idk man, I've asked a lot of questions over the years that have answers on them. I feel like I'd be doing the world a disservice by deleting those.
Thats why you should port the questions and answers over here. Your leaving content on reddit which is what they want
You cannot delete your post/comments history anymore. I spend hours last week deleting everything manually on my Reddit account, and today all my content is back up, as if I did nothing.
You could edit instead. Power Delete Suite can automate editing and/or deleting: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
I tried but it’s weird, it edited some of my comments but not all, even though no filtering was selected…
I want to go full lemmy but the interface/appearance is a real turn off with comment threads being visually hard to follow. What we need is RES for lemmy
There are custom themes! Check out https://userstyles.world/search?q=Lemmy
The interface is quite customisable; I'm sure if it gets traction people will provide in that regard.
I thought the same. But now I got used to it. Also I moved to liftoff app and things work great. Things will get better.
Same. On liftoff until Sync releases and then I'll really have to decide which I like more. It might be hard choice though, liftoff is really good (in its early state) but Sync has the benefit of aggregating information and seeing what users want (and knowing that many want what Sync offered for Reddit on Lemmy)
im confused why people a. think spez had enough control to make these decisions. b. that killing the 3rd party apps wasnt the point.
almost zero notice, exorbitant costs for stripped access...
there was never going to be a compromise. 'they' want to wall their garden, and thats all she wrote
Spez has all the control, he’s the CEO. I find it unlikely that the board of directors is micro-managing him to this degree. Otherwise, why even have a CEO?
They handed down an edict to make Reddit profitable and take the company public by the end of the year, and this is how he believes it can be done.
There's a lingering belief that Spez is the same Spez who criticized Digg as too corporate and described Reddit in terms of community. It's difficult, sometimes, for people to realize when fellow travelers are no longer fellows.
There's also some satisfaction in knowing that in the end, you did all you could to avert a bad outcome. Even if it passes, you don't need to have regrets.
I don't think they're in denial. I think they're just hoping to save their community.
I think some of their communities are still in denial. That there's a deadline of 6/29 for Reddit to make a response is a hint that the mods may come back on the 30th and say, "Reddit's not changing their stance. We're setting up a new community on X. "
Because they don't want it to be true.
They just need time to go through the stages of mourning.
The RIF subreddit has been marking each post with its stage of grief since this began. Most were at acceptance last I checked.
Lol my guess is 0 response from spez until the normies start screaming about their apps not working.
Yeah I don't think anything's gonna change at this point.
These people invested so much time and effort into their communities, I understand why they are doing all this to keep them
Mod of /r/homeimprovement here. I don't know that "keep" is the right word but we have built an amazing community over the years. The API changes rubbed us all the wrong way (as we all mod from third-party apps) but what really clinched it was the utter abhorrent treatment of us after we shut down. We are still shut down, and reddit continues to actively threaten UNPAID VOLUNTEERS. The free content and moderation is literally the only thing keeping reddit relevant. We are actively going to force reddit to replace us or backtrack. It will likely be the former, but at least we have made them work for it. It's sad really...I love the community but I'm not going to continue to be free labor for a company that simply doesn't give a single shit about us or their users.
r/homeimprovement was one of my favorite subs and a topic I hope takes off over here. Glad you all are sticking to your guns.
I hope it does too! This seems like a great place for the community to thrive. That said, I don't think I have it in me to mod again (at least not now). It's been...hard to say the least. But yeah, we are sticking it out until the end! I posted a "give it up for day 14" meme on our Discord today, lol.
EDIT: Oh, and thank you for the kudos on the community! We really do appreciate it!!
<3 yous. a lot of people now on lemmy are like "whatever I don't even remember reddit what was it even" because their minecraft memes or whatever have moved here or elsewhere. personally I found reddit the most remarkable for the non-tech subs. I am not worried about being unable to post to a linux forum because there are a bazillion of them. I do really mourn the DIY subs and other niches and hobbies. /r/homeimprovement was a great sub along with the constellation of related subs. I doubt /r/askanelectrician or /r/hardwoodfloors or /r/redneckengineering will be reestablished here even if a general /r/homeimprovement could find a footing. And they mutually feed into each other as communities. /r/homeimprovement wouldn't be able to thrive in the same way without the smaller subs and vice-versa. The large numbers of users who can easily discover new forums once they get into things in some way. That's how I got involved anyway so just extrapolating. :D
I noticed on the verge articles about reddit they have an open call for reddit mods to contact them. I would really love to see some coverage of non-tech subs and how this all is shaking out for them. I really do not think is is just OK to say "well, whatever" and just move on. I think people like you made reddit a fantastic place especially for the non-tech stuff. It is really really sad to see it all destroyed. I think at the very least the full carnage should be examined. Please pass tat thought to anyone else who might want to share. (There might be a better place to share than the verge; I don't follow tech news usually so I don't know it.)
But either way <3 yous. thank you for your service
It seems like this is the only way that Reddit can slow the rise of the Fediverse to me. All of their official access channels (web/official app) pale in comparison to the usability of third party apps.
Can't imagine what they could deliver that would bring Apollo or RIF back.
Idgaf anymore after what came to light during the blackouts I will not return to Reddit
Why do the mods care so much? Can anyone point me to an explainer of how can mods monetize their modding? I also don't understand why I see people here on Lemmy modding dozens of communities or looking to be mods of communities their posting history says nothing of.
I'm sure some of them like the power. But many of them just don't want to leave their community (because let's face it, a lot of communities won't leave and don't care about the drama). They feel like they're losing a friend group. It's the same reason why people stay in shitty friend groups even when they're treated like crap. They don't want to be alone or to have to start over.
Thanks for the answer. That does sound like a pretty good motivation.
Why do you think it needs to be able to be monetized for people to care about modding? I would imagine that most good-faith mods are passionate about the communities they're modding and the subjects they're about, and they care about them because they want to see them thrive and not be overrun by bad actors.
My cynical perspective comes from seeing some power grabbing greed here on Lemmy. Since I joined 2 weeks ago. It's also that I'm curious about it, without having ever modded, here or on Reddit.
I think it is more about moderators using 3rd party apps to do what the native Reddit app cannot. Reddit has dragged their feet for years on proper moderation tools on mobile.
I agree. But looking over, it seems obvious the more protests and complaints the more Reddit gets the impression you will not be leaving. How's the idiom.. All bark no bite..
Those requests are pretty hilarious.
The people who are staying on reddit, or fighting for their place on reddit, are um....yea nvm.
Let's enjoy this while we got it. (:
too little, too late.
They're going to do a ridiculous price that
is technically lower, but is still highway robbery.... You just wait.I think even that is generous, I doubt they will even bother responding
They should just do what I did. So being a mod and leave. Fuck em.
Spez:
For now.
never gonna happen
Dorks.