Now that we're finally out of reddit, can we finally get different tag for NSFW and NSFL?
For the uninitiated, generally NSFW is for sexual contents and NSFL is for gory contents. People may want to see one but not see the other at any time for any reason. I have seen this feature requested over the years in Reddit but it never happens. Maybe now some instance can finally implement it?
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Wouldn't it be better to have more specific tags like movies? e.g. "Sexual content", "Gore", "Death", "Violence" or for content that you truly want to avoid; "US Politics".
An advanced search would be so fing good for Lemmy. I realize that the problem is mainly how most modern search engines can't do wildcard top level domain searches so you can't really look up posts from lemmy[.]world or etc., but then Lemmy also has wildly variable domain names too which makes searching all the more difficult. A solution for this is so critical for discoverability and usefulness
Don't forget "Musk" and "Trump"
is it possible to hide those here?
Perhaps categories first then the specifics? (e.g. NSFL: Gore)
Why would you need a category in addition to a tag?
Just a thought. Some might need finer details vs block whatever its marked NSFW.
Wouldn't a specific tag provide enough detail?
I like this one
Personally I’ve never liked the idea of NSFL. It just doesn’t feel like it has the eighth connotation, it’s wording feels like it’s meant to be a joke when it’s content is rarely funny. I think just using “Gore” or “Death” would be absolutely better.
Another great one would be for phobias, being able to filter out images of a snake for example if you hate them. Sometimes the title filtering can do that but that doesn’t work when someone titles their picture “look at this cute little guy”
That's a good idea. The client could let the user select their phobia from this list of all phobias from Wikipedia with a description and then filter for the tags matching the description.
It would be wonderful with something more granular than "NSFW"...
I would love if we got something even more granular like a "Content Warning: ".
Examples:
Content Warning: nudity- might be a painting with nude people, might be a photo of nude people, in essence if it isn't porn, but there's exposed genitals, butts or breasts.Content Warning: porn- you can probably guess...Content Warning: gore- images with gore, people missing body parts, often dead as well.Content Warning: death- images with people dying, but without gore.Content Warning: blood- images with some blood, but no death or gore. (often seen in news articles)Content Warning: violence- people fighting, but without turning bloody.These could of course be expanded with many more categories if need be.
EDIT: added violence by request
At that point we get a tag system.
Content Warning: politics,Content Warning: bad news,Content Warning: dangerous cuteness...Just use a color to denote content warnings
Make sure to make gore red and nudity green to fuck with all the colorblind people out there
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Genius. Absolute genius.
i like this one better.
Please add violence to the categories. Some videos ruin days
Sometimes it's not even ruin days, there's stuff that I don't appreciate popping up when I'm eating for example
That's NSFL
The first two and the last three are the same lol.
There really isn't any need for tuning them even further. They're both already niche enough as is. The people who are good with the two are good with both. The people good with the last three are 'good' with any. You genuinely cannot get any of them without the other lol.
Yeah, it'd be better to implement OP's idea, see how it goes, and then see if there's need for the others. Gradual changes help admins see what works best, I think. Follow the KISS: Keep It Simple, Supid.
Idk man, I think there's a difference between a titty in a painting and triple anal piss porn
I read that as "all five are the same". And I'm like damn, don't want to work in a slaughterhouse if that's true for you!
Intensity warning is a good thing. Though it does make tagging complicated, but in this case overlapping tags would do. blood-death and gore-death and simply death.
probably shouldn't borrow the exact terms from fandom, but they have tag modifiers like 'dead dove: do not eat' which basically means this is an absolute celebration of the previous tag, so gore tag coupled with that tag is gore intensified to the max, while they also use tags 'slight mentions of gore' for only a bit of gore. but if you filter out gore both would still be filtered out.
AO3 runs on open source software and has a very robust tagging system.
I would have thought that such a feature would be completely uncontroversial. Really weird that some people seem resistant to it.
Most of the resistance to it on Reddit was because NSFL content was technically not allowed on the site at all and adding a specific tag for NSFL material could be seen at legitimizing it. But they didn't heavily moderate it either so I don't see the point in refusing a tag for it if they're not going to do anything about it themselves either.
What really blows my mind though is the subset of people that want a NSFW tag to mean Gore/Death and a separate PORN tag for titties and such. I mean, we already have established terms for those so why not stick with what everyone already knows them by?
I think the Supreme Court decided this issue in Bush v. Gore, and it's been controversial ever since.
Eyyy
Some people get off on shocking others with dehumanizing gore etc. when they thought they were in for a dick pick at worst.
Correct, if you work for e.g. Pornhub, NSFW might have a different meaning
"Steve, your numbers are down. We have reason to believe you have not been viewing enough pornographic material at work."
Reminds me of when new episodes of Rick and Morty were being posted on PornHub and they took them down.
I can imagine they don't want accountants or IT people looking at porn while they work though. Their own websites are probably not filtered, but whether the work is for a porn site or a car manufacturer, you prefer them focussing on their work. For a content reviewer though, it's a different story.
That being said, there is not enough money in the world that would convince me to become a content reviewer. The shit they have to sit through is often utterly vile and traumatizing. Here is an article about a facebook moderator as an example: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-57088382
Same if you work for the SEC.
My job doesnt care.
Of course i cant just browse porn all day, but clicking a random picture onnreddit with boobs?
Nobody cares
We should be able to look at a little porn at work.
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At this point isn't that pretty much any work from home job?
Mate we can't even hide posts
(Sync for Lemmy has client side support for that)
As do Connect. Still, it should be a desktop feature, too.
Yeah connect has that too. I'd imagine other clients do as well.
Having gone through the code a bit, the NSFW handling looks very baked in, so it's not a small ask. The smart approach would be to add an arbitrary tag system and handle it that way.
Is that the smart approach, or the easier approach?
I just got done reading a whole diatribe on how everything sucks because the code for everything is just duck tape on top of duck tape.
https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/
I love it when my tape quacks.
FYI it's duct tape. Duck Tape is a brand that sells a type of duct tape, among other tapes.
I actually already knew that. I think duck tape is more fun 😄
"Duck tape" actually has a longer history than "duct tape." While there is also branded Duck™ tape, duck tape, as in adhesive cotton duck, has been around since the 1800s or so.
I think it's both. Instead of trying to update the codebase with one new database attributes for each conceivable way to tag content, you simply put in facilities to abstract that - "show only posts with tag foobar", "hide all posts with tag foobar".
I don't care about Reddit (or about growing Lemmy) as much as the average post I see in Lemmy, but if you wanted to migrate people from the former to the latter this is one of the easier ways to help do it. It's one of those small quality of life things that are asked for periodically. If Lemmy had it it'd be mentioned in Reddit every time people are pissed with the site (which is every day for most sites, including Reddit). It'd be free
mouth to mouthword of mouth (being ESL is funny sometimes) publicity for LemmyNot Suitable For Lemmy
That's cute
Not as cute as you 😜
The ActivityPub interface allows it to my knowledge. It's just not widely used.
Yes please and just call it what it is! "Brutal" and "sexual" feg. Because I for one work in a sex fight fetish porn production studio so to me all of this is very sfw.
Do you make those naked MMA matches that end in sex I've seen?
I bet you have some hella interesting workplace stories and hella banal, mundane ones
This is a good idea, anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't stumbled upon a guy getting his head chopped off when they didn't want to see it.
Is this a protocol or a client issue? Would absolutely love to see it.
I think a tag system as suggested by others makes the most sense, as NSFW and NSFL aren't mutually exclusive.
Can this be done with the hashtag tags? Does that functionality already support what OP is asking for?
I think it would be better to add the option to mark posts as "sensitive" or "not save for work", which are then blurred for the user and appear when clicked on.
The rest should be up to moderation and everything else is just solutionism.
Don't we have enough sick shit going on with the child porn thing that happened? You want to add a tag for Not Safe For Life content? I feel like I'm in bizarro world.
I would vote for never ever having that content on Lemmy.
Mountains out of mole hills. Non issue
Also NSFV for not suitable for vegans for anything involving animals, meat, or animal processing. That way we can tag those posts and if they complain about them we know they're just raging because they're insufferable assholes.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that all vegans are insufferable assholes. I know a bunch of vegans who are awesome people. I'm just suggesting that the ones who rage at people who don't share their beliefs and who try to shove their beliefs down other people's throats are insufferable assholes.
EDIT 2: Oh no, I've upset the insufferable assholes! Oh wait, this is Lemmy and their downvotes don't mean anything!
That'd be neat, I could unblock shitty food porn.
What is NSFL?
I've never seen or heard of it before.
NSFW is not a Reddit thing. It was around and already popular years before Reddit came along.
I agree that NSFW should be more granular but let's keep the acronym because everyone already knows what it means and I see no reason to move away from it.
NSFL isn't as common as NSFW but it's still an established acronym.
Apparently NSFL is barely used in comparison to NSFW based on Google Trends; no wonder I've never heard of it before.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Nsfl,Nsfw&hl=en
Not Safe For Life. Usually it is something horrific that many people never want to see... Unlike boobies.
Why do we need a different tag when NSFW and NSFL already exist?
NSFL doesn't exist as a tag. Your only choice is to tag it NSFW.
No
Omg this. Nsfw was ALWAYS not for WORK, nsfl errything else. Dont have to go too into specifics, thats up to subreddits to moderate. Dont sub to those stuff and don't browse All, or filter shit.
Fuck i, called it subreddits jfc
Why
Don’t be a contrarian for a second and think of the why yourself, it’s easy and good for your brain!
So leave it be.
I thought that was already clear?
NSFL = Gore
NSFW = Porn
yes, and that's why this post exists
But really, why? We already have the tags. Just type them out at the start of the post and it's clear what kind of content it is. Do we really need to commit code to this?
because it can be used to automatically filter out content you want to see from content you don't want to see
If you want to commit code, a better option would be to let me filter by post title keyword. That way I can filter out NSFW, NSFL, and any other words I don't like.
no, because it would also filter out stuff like this post, that just discusses it, but the content being generally okay
Yeah but there is no nsfl tag
Why can’t people just
notlook at the name of the community and then easily conclude if it’s sexual content or gory content?Edit: Seems my English skills fucked me over.
Real answer? Because technology could easily do it for you if people tag posts in OP’s proposed way. Just one less thing for a viewer to have to think about.
It would also allow for different filters. Blur NSFW, but not nsfl, or vice versa. Or even only show post of one and hide others entirely, without having to block communities by hand.
Sometimes NSFW images are appropriate in otherwise SFW communities. For instance, imagine a community on exterior design that had a post with a picture of that building in Germany with the five-story-high penis on it. Or a community for desktop themes that has a post with nudes wallpaper. Or a community about a certain celebrity that posts pictures of her car wreck.
What building in Germany has a 5-story-tall schlong?
This one maybe?
Search for "Friede sei mit Dir"
Then you would look at the community name and concluding that the image is about exterior design, but not something you should look at, at work.
I didn’t type my original post correctly.
Looking at pictures of external design is usually pretty safe to look at when you're at work. I imagine architects do it all the time.
I follow the Ukrainian war. Blocking all NSFW blocks so much of the news.
I want to block porn, not news.
So the Ukrainian war posts should be tagged as NSFL then?
The graphic ones should be. Videos of death and fighting, yes.
If it's just politics, general news, or Russia acting like a baby, no.
It would help differentiate from porn, yes.
Going back to reddit r/WTF often had posts with either gore or nudity (or both), as an example.
That’s a good example.
I think most instances doesn’t allow gore though.
Do we really need community names? I feel like we could just use the first line of the description
Osrs has f2p
It's an old name :P