Oh boy, a whole lot. I was compiling a list, but it turns out that Spotifys shady business practices has a whole wikipedia page. Not sure if it's included in there but Joe Rogan. Just everything about the Joe Rogan deal. As well as their ties to the military industrial complex. It's less "what have they done?" and more "what haven't they done?"
Tidal is pretty popular, they at least pay artists more. There's a couple other recommendations I've seen floating around on lemmy but the names are escaping me atm. I don't think there's any services out there with clean hands tbh, but limiting the harm from your consumption is better than doing nothing about it
Your comment actually inspired me to try the free trial for Tidal and I really like it. In the future I might switch over to it from Spotify, at least they seem to pay artists better.
Also, when I Googled "blizzard employees" to find that article, one search suggestion was "breast milk". If you don't feel like you hate the company enough already, look into that.
Greed. Taking more than equilibrium. People focus on the apparatus but not the source. We don't need to change the system we need to change human nature.
Oh shut up. If human nature is based on greed because you see people taking more than they need, then it's equally if not more based on mutual aid, since you have doubtlessly also seen people sacrifice their own desires and needs for the love of others. Why is one human nature, but not the other?
Where is greed in open source? Where is greed in volunteer work?
You've missed the point. The structures of our society is emergent from human will. Greed is a blunt word for an aspect of collective human will. I didn't imply it was the only one, ya dummy.
I apologize for calling you a dummy. It was just a response to you telling me to shut up. I wholly agree, society based on on cooperation and the nurturing of that cooperation would be great. We should identify and implement changes to our human nature to foster such a ideal. We need trust and transparency and the removal of our levels of separation for a start, I think. I dunno, what are your thoughts?
I apologise for saying to shut up. I just feel strongly that us humans cannot be defined by greed. I agree with transparency and the removal of artificial divisions, such as race, nationality and class. And i also believe the only way we can achieve this is with a worldwide revolution. I believe such a thing is totally possible, but exceedingly unlikely.
The structures of society are created by human will, but the structures in place and the interactions they require also shape our values as cultures. Capitalism is a system in which by owning capital, wealth and the means of production, a capitalist derives profit from the workers who are the producers using the tools and facilities owned by the capitalist. To be successful in this, or to raise yourself above the working class, you must own capital and use it to derive profit to increase your capital further, or else other capitalists will take your place in the market.
Capitalism and market based economies have only been a part of the global structure for a small minority of the total time that humans have created societies. There are thousands of years we have very little information of, making it difficult to derive what sort of social structures were in place in different societies.
In the absence of pressures like poverty and economic competition, people help each other. When someone trips in front of you, the vast majority of people will be concerned and help them up. I truly believe altruism is a core aspect of 'human nature' as much or more than greed.
The key is focus your time and effort on the ones that are really important to you, and be able to adapt to changes. This way you can make the switch to a less abusive product / platform / tool / whatever it is more easily when it inevitably goes to shit.
This is the user-side responsibility of interoperability.
I can't argue with you there, but the engine code is also significantly more complex than the project code, and I'm not too familiar with how to create it. But, you raise a good point that it's time to learn.
Thank you. I am only a hobby dev but I‘m also considering contributing to the projects I use for my home lab. It’s quite intimidating as I‘m not proficient in any language but I‘ll give it a go at some point.
Whenever something or someone appears on the internet they have a grace period where small mistakes are forgotten and bigger ones are forgiven, but eventually the time runs out and everybody will hate you.
Ah yes, the paypal mafia. Most of it explains that pic.
Techno feudalists trying to take over capitalism with capitalism 2.0: even thinking a thought will be charged edition
The advertising-thing always baffles me. Are you willing to pay for each and every service you just use completely for free? If not, you shouldn't see advertising as a "scourge".
I don't have much of an issue with advertising in itself
However
Online advertising nowadays is extremely obnoxious and annoying, and serves to track you, too. Add the fact that ads are free real estate for malicious actors to do whatever, and I think you can agree that they are a bigger problem than they should be.
I genuinely wouldn't mind ads if they were unobtrusive and not tracking me, but that's not the reality.
Don't forget about malvertising, that's probably a more imminent danger. If Google and other ad companies don't give enough of a shit about user to actually filter out malware ads, why should I give enough of a shit about their revenue to not use uBO?
I have an issue with advertising. I would rather have an internet with much less services and pages. We all say how much we don't need social media right. So tear it all down. Remove and create a hostile net to advertising and marketing. Steer it back towards hobbyists and open source nerds making GeoCities pages. What do we lose?
Will I miss out on marketing interns at Marvel trying to force another viral meme using one of their 300 sock puppet accounts.
Am I going to miss out on my data being harvested and giving to anyone trying to sell me starlamps they bulk purchased off ali-baba.
The crux of all the problems we all have with the internet is advertising products. It's what introduced all the data harvesting. It's why we have so much censorship. Its why all webpages and content is all the same because they all try to capture the last successful creator that sold ad space. Its why the internet is just one big data harvesting billboard that is now spilling over into the real world. So fucking kill it all. Reject marketing and advertising and lets get back to what the internet should have always been. The internet needs to be Snake Plissken'd
The amount of times capitalism gets dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with economics or politics is, quite frankly, astounding.
edit: I get it, you are all replying the same thing. Point taken, capitalism has its hands in everything. My point: we don't have to circlejerk about it every 3 seconds. I would rather not delete this comment, but why isn't there a block notifications button on Lemmy?
LOL, you think the enshittification of the Internet has nothing to do with economics or politics?! I'm almost morbidly curious about what exactly you think it does have to do with, then!
I'll forgive you for strawmanning my position because I haven't fully articulated it. Of course capitalism is connected to every area of our everyday lives.
But, unpopular opinion incoming, people go out of their way to bring up capitalism in every thread and it gets old fast. You could have a thread on !AskLemmy about how hard it is to be a dog-walker, and there will be comments saying how OP wouldn't need to be a dog walker if it weren't for capitalism! Whether you think that's true or not is beside the point; this corner of the internet is always beating the dead horse called "capitalism bad".
Hmm, we may be talking past each other. I'm not disagreeing with OP's point that capitalism is a problem or even a problem for the internet. I'm saying that it gets brought up so often that its tiring. That's where the strawman comes in: they were arguing against a position that I didn't hold.
I took issue with your claim that this was "a thread that has nothing to do with economics or politics." That's clearly untrue, regardless of how "tiring" it is for you.
Also, by the way, what's happening now is not that we're talking past each other, but rather that you're backpedaling to try to save face.
Nah, I think I would know if I had changed positions. Even if you read my original comment, I'm complaining about how often capitalism is brought up when it doesn't need to be. But I'm not going to try to convince you because clearly your mind is made up.
When someone complains about capitalism or neoliberalism with something that doesn’t involve it, I always like to ask them to tell me the definition of the word without googling it.
Holy shit, how bad does it have to be that Facebook doesn't even make the list?!
Or EA. So much for their sense of pride and accomplishment.
Damn, that's a low-effort meme
Welcome to Lemmy
We also have beans, and beef stroganoff
Well I'm sold.
I don't know if effort is what's holding this meme back. The premise itself is awful
No Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Spotify, or apple?
Google seems front and center too after the recent “privacy” updates to chrome (the web browser with 2/3 the global market share).
What did Spotify do to deserve a spot?
Oh boy, a whole lot. I was compiling a list, but it turns out that Spotifys shady business practices has a whole wikipedia page. Not sure if it's included in there but Joe Rogan. Just everything about the Joe Rogan deal. As well as their ties to the military industrial complex. It's less "what have they done?" and more "what haven't they done?"
What music platforms would you suggest as an alternative? Apple Music can’t be that much better, can it?
Tidal is pretty popular, they at least pay artists more. There's a couple other recommendations I've seen floating around on lemmy but the names are escaping me atm. I don't think there's any services out there with clean hands tbh, but limiting the harm from your consumption is better than doing nothing about it
Your comment actually inspired me to try the free trial for Tidal and I really like it. In the future I might switch over to it from Spotify, at least they seem to pay artists better.
Destroying artist's livelihoods, for one thing. Shady business practices, for the other.
I guess Facebook is bad for it's... Well general shittiness... But they did invent react which a lot of the good parts of the internet use
And llama. They're making it so that small companies can compete in the AI game
All of "triple AAA" Gaming, i.e.: Activision-Blizzard, Ubisoft, Microsoft (classic), ...
Every time I see Activision-Blizzard mentioned I feel morally obligated to remind/inform people that when Activision-Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick gave himself a $40 million bonus, there were employees who could not afford the food at the company cafeteria.
Also, when I Googled "blizzard employees" to find that article, one search suggestion was "breast milk". If you don't feel like you hate the company enough already, look into that.
Thank you. I already follow Stephanie Sterling's work. ;)
Could all be summed up in the last one: capitalism
Well the camera one doesnt technically have to be capitalism.
You're right, not necessarily
None of them have to.
Greed. Taking more than equilibrium. People focus on the apparatus but not the source. We don't need to change the system we need to change human nature.
Oh shut up. If human nature is based on greed because you see people taking more than they need, then it's equally if not more based on mutual aid, since you have doubtlessly also seen people sacrifice their own desires and needs for the love of others. Why is one human nature, but not the other?
Where is greed in open source? Where is greed in volunteer work?
You've missed the point. The structures of our society is emergent from human will. Greed is a blunt word for an aspect of collective human will. I didn't imply it was the only one, ya dummy.
Then a society based on cooperation would also be an expression of human nature, and a much better one.
I apologize for calling you a dummy. It was just a response to you telling me to shut up. I wholly agree, society based on on cooperation and the nurturing of that cooperation would be great. We should identify and implement changes to our human nature to foster such a ideal. We need trust and transparency and the removal of our levels of separation for a start, I think. I dunno, what are your thoughts?
I apologise for saying to shut up. I just feel strongly that us humans cannot be defined by greed. I agree with transparency and the removal of artificial divisions, such as race, nationality and class. And i also believe the only way we can achieve this is with a worldwide revolution. I believe such a thing is totally possible, but exceedingly unlikely.
The structures of society are created by human will, but the structures in place and the interactions they require also shape our values as cultures. Capitalism is a system in which by owning capital, wealth and the means of production, a capitalist derives profit from the workers who are the producers using the tools and facilities owned by the capitalist. To be successful in this, or to raise yourself above the working class, you must own capital and use it to derive profit to increase your capital further, or else other capitalists will take your place in the market.
Capitalism and market based economies have only been a part of the global structure for a small minority of the total time that humans have created societies. There are thousands of years we have very little information of, making it difficult to derive what sort of social structures were in place in different societies.
In the absence of pressures like poverty and economic competition, people help each other. When someone trips in front of you, the vast majority of people will be concerned and help them up. I truly believe altruism is a core aspect of 'human nature' as much or more than greed.
Oracle, IIRC they are/were the biggest data gatherer.
I'm curious, why is that?
Trackers, but why exactly I don't know
Can't say I understand the point you're trying to make. Are you saying these things should not be hated?
now im scared to use anything because i know im gonna becom edependent on it and then its gonna go to shit
The key is focus your time and effort on the ones that are really important to you, and be able to adapt to changes. This way you can make the switch to a less abusive product / platform / tool / whatever it is more easily when it inevitably goes to shit.
This is the user-side responsibility of interoperability.
The Internet is way older than the majority of these things, but I still appreciate the spirit of your post.
Great time to pick up Godot, though
Unfortunately they're not directly comparable though. Godot is missing a lot of tooling when it comes to 3D, especially compared with Unity.
Good reason for a dev to start contributing to godot. Be the change you want to see. In open source it is even actually possible.
I can't argue with you there, but the engine code is also significantly more complex than the project code, and I'm not too familiar with how to create it. But, you raise a good point that it's time to learn.
Thank you. I am only a hobby dev but I‘m also considering contributing to the projects I use for my home lab. It’s quite intimidating as I‘m not proficient in any language but I‘ll give it a go at some point.
You're forgetting the guy with the second biggest mug in the world.
Post in the comments additions to my list; I wanted to add more but I missed some.
America: Bad. Europe: Good.
So you're just listing objective facts now?
Unity does not qualify as "internet thing"
Also if they're considered on the level as all these other companies there needs to be dozens more at that table before them.
Bring back the old Soviet Internet, before it was privatised!
Whenever something or someone appears on the internet they have a grace period where small mistakes are forgotten and bigger ones are forgiven, but eventually the time runs out and everybody will hate you.
2023 still not done, plenty of room for more shit companies and situations to unfold!
Wouldn't x be coverd meca7se musk is there. Almost like it's just milk twice
They are both scourges without each other
Holy shit. I don't recall having any speed this morning. I can't even figure out what that mess was supposed to be
Pretty much any mainstream social media imo
Got so many ad blockers about the only time I see ads is when I accidentally look at a billboard
E💩
Electronic shit? Wtf
Ah yes, the paypal mafia. Most of it explains that pic. Techno feudalists trying to take over capitalism with capitalism 2.0: even thinking a thought will be charged edition
Me when Chinese propaganda is being showed to me: 😡
Me when American propaganda is being showed to me: 🥰
I mean, the post includes the US.. Senate, I think that is? No idea, I'm not american and the americanization of Lemmy is bothering me
That’s the Capital Building, which contains Congress, the Legislation Branch, which houses both the House and the Senate.
Come, join the Yankeezation of your life, resistance is futile…
They both belong on there if you ask me.
The advertising-thing always baffles me. Are you willing to pay for each and every service you just use completely for free? If not, you shouldn't see advertising as a "scourge".
I don't have much of an issue with advertising in itself
However
Online advertising nowadays is extremely obnoxious and annoying, and serves to track you, too. Add the fact that ads are free real estate for malicious actors to do whatever, and I think you can agree that they are a bigger problem than they should be.
I genuinely wouldn't mind ads if they were unobtrusive and not tracking me, but that's not the reality.
Don't forget about malvertising, that's probably a more imminent danger. If Google and other ad companies don't give enough of a shit about user to actually filter out malware ads, why should I give enough of a shit about their revenue to not use uBO?
I have an issue with advertising. I would rather have an internet with much less services and pages. We all say how much we don't need social media right. So tear it all down. Remove and create a hostile net to advertising and marketing. Steer it back towards hobbyists and open source nerds making GeoCities pages. What do we lose?
Will I miss out on marketing interns at Marvel trying to force another viral meme using one of their 300 sock puppet accounts.
Am I going to miss out on my data being harvested and giving to anyone trying to sell me starlamps they bulk purchased off ali-baba.
The crux of all the problems we all have with the internet is advertising products. It's what introduced all the data harvesting. It's why we have so much censorship. Its why all webpages and content is all the same because they all try to capture the last successful creator that sold ad space. Its why the internet is just one big data harvesting billboard that is now spilling over into the real world. So fucking kill it all. Reject marketing and advertising and lets get back to what the internet should have always been. The internet needs to be Snake Plissken'd
No lmao that's why I pirate
A better question is how you're so comfortable with every place you look containing ads
Yes
The amount of times capitalism gets dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with economics or politics is, quite frankly, astounding.
edit: I get it, you are all replying the same thing. Point taken, capitalism has its hands in everything. My point: we don't have to circlejerk about it every 3 seconds. I would rather not delete this comment, but why isn't there a block notifications button on Lemmy?
LOL, you think the enshittification of the Internet has nothing to do with economics or politics?! I'm almost morbidly curious about what exactly you think it does have to do with, then!
I'll forgive you for strawmanning my position because I haven't fully articulated it. Of course capitalism is connected to every area of our everyday lives.
But, unpopular opinion incoming, people go out of their way to bring up capitalism in every thread and it gets old fast. You could have a thread on !AskLemmy about how hard it is to be a dog-walker, and there will be comments saying how OP wouldn't need to be a dog walker if it weren't for capitalism! Whether you think that's true or not is beside the point; this corner of the internet is always beating the dead horse called "capitalism bad".
I'm not saying I disagree with their general point.
FYI, restating your argument precisely and without changing context isn't "strawmanning."
Hmm, we may be talking past each other. I'm not disagreeing with OP's point that capitalism is a problem or even a problem for the internet. I'm saying that it gets brought up so often that its tiring. That's where the strawman comes in: they were arguing against a position that I didn't hold.
I took issue with your claim that this was "a thread that has nothing to do with economics or politics." That's clearly untrue, regardless of how "tiring" it is for you.
Also, by the way, what's happening now is not that we're talking past each other, but rather that you're backpedaling to try to save face.
Nah, I think I would know if I had changed positions. Even if you read my original comment, I'm complaining about how often capitalism is brought up when it doesn't need to be. But I'm not going to try to convince you because clearly your mind is made up.
Counterpoint: using the word "circlejerk" to disparage points we'd rather ignore is a really annoying thing to do.
When someone complains about capitalism or neoliberalism with something that doesn’t involve it, I always like to ask them to tell me the definition of the word without googling it.
Do internet strangers really play along with that? I would expect a very unproductive semantic argument.
That’s how they tend to go
Are you sure you're trying your hardest to understand what they actually mean?