Louisiana police accused of ‘unconscionable’ abuse in ‘Brave Cave’
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Sadly, the wrong populace of the U.S owns most of the guns.
Good luck getting Lauren Boebert's etc gun's away from her without her calling to action.
And then what? Shootouts when any cop tries to detain you? These torture houses aren't the first stop after arrest. And people aren't going to jump straight to lethal violence at a traffic stop.
Cool. You first.
No, the secret is to win. You play the game on the side of the road or in custody with the cops. Then when you have your chance you ambush. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
Yes
OK. Goodluck with that. I don't think it's a sustainable solution right now. But you do you.
A bunch of idiots with guns stand no chance against the US military. This isn't a fight you can win by force.
Did they though? I don't think so.
The Vietnamese people made a good effort and successfully repelled the US military.
Because we left. They were pretty weak until we left.
Vietnam on the other hand maintained the ability to inflict major casualties throughout.
I'm in agreement with you that poorly equipped groups can make an impact. I disagree that the goat herders in Afghanistan did.
It’s not against the military. Nobody mention the army or marines you dummy. This is about the police. We can take those fuckers. Pigs don’t have artillery and air support.
...As if military personnel wouldn't join and blow the head off a crook cop or military officer in a civil war.
Isn't the military being woke a conservative talking point? If they are woke then they're on our side. :)
They are so silly that they think other people don't think for themselves either.
They will once you start an armed rebellion.
Fucking hell, you guys have no idea what this kind of armed rebellion entails, do you?
It's not "the us military" that they are fighting. Also don't say dumbshit stuff like that since if the "US Military" is bombing american cities your liberal drivel is irrelevant.
So who are you fighting? Neighbors and civilians that don't vote like you?
I think there is some confusion. The context, as I understood it, was that "they" are conservatives and are not fighting the military. So I wanted to know who they were fighting.
I wonder if more transparency, accountability, and oversight might be a more effective remedy than you know... just killing cops.
Aaand there it is.
Liberal drivel my ass. If you take up arms against the cops, expect heavy resistance. Go ahead and get yourself killed.
So we should hunt cops. I’m down.
This is the best TL;DR I could come up with:
Cops doing cop things
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Across from an industrial hose and gasket supplier’s office, in a mostly empty and fenced-off lot behind a precinct house belonging to the police department of Louisiana’s capital city, there sits a white storage shed without any markings explaining its purpose.
That single-story warehouse – within a couple of blocks of a daycare center, an eatery specializing in chicken wings and a gasoline station frequented by unwary residents – is now the focus of local and federal authorities examining alarming claims that officers with the Baton Rouge police department (BRPD) took detained people there and brutalized them.
Allegations portraying the warehouse once used by the Baton Rouge Area Violence Elimination, or Brave, anti-street crime unit as a sort of black site or torture chamber are contained in two federal court lawsuits filed relatively recently.
On Wednesday, the Advocate reported, he was issued a misdemeanor summons charging him with simple battery after investigators found bodyworn camera video which showed him using a stun gun to shock a detainee handcuffed in the back of a patrol cruiser “without giving the suspect an opportunity to comply [with] verbal commands”.
Baton Rouge officers looked in the underwear and groped the genitals of Clarence Green and his teenage brother during a 2021 traffic stop, subsequently drawing scrutiny of the police force’s methods, as the Advocate reported.
Sterling’s family later received a $4.5m settlement from Baton Rouge’s city government to conclude an episode presaging the worldwide protests against police brutality that were elicited by a Minneapolis officer’s murder of George Floyd in 2020.
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The victims? Primarily Black. The perpetrators? Primarily white.
There is no ethnocide in America.
Are we really surprised by this point? The modern police are a collection of state-sanctioned, taxpayer funded, heavily militarized criminal syndicates.
I'm surprised anyone is surprised. Fuck me, I'm a 52-yo white boy and this doesn't make me blink. And it used to be worse!
Almost ACAB
AACAB I can get behind lol. ACAB half the time is just straight up internet trolls and instigators. Meanwhile the same people love to espouse shit like how the wealthy are the real oppressors while ignoring most police are only firmly low-middle class. There are way more people getting into that job who just happened into it like most people in the world. While yes, the abusers and psychopaths are attracted to the job for the above, the separation of powers in places like that are wide. Just like they would be in most businesses. Let alone the real deal PTSD they have to deal with daily to weekly in som areas.
Any direct supervisors for teams that have pretty full automony know it's impossible to track what they do constantly. So much of it is based on the trust system and good faith actors speaking out when they see something. Throw in some bystanders effect and benefit of the doubt for people who'd normally be good to you but a monster in the shadows... I'm not envious of police one bit, or the people trying to make change from the inside. Which is the only real way it's going to happen despite internet tough guys espousing otherwise while refusing to pay taxes for shit like mental health services lol. Elected local/state politicians, DAs, also being the people who could make those changes. Also equally vilified.
It's way more complicated than people give it credit for when you're actually trying to make change. For most people trying to get by, best thing you can do is vote.
Is there such a thing as conscionable abuse?
There was a case where a German police officer threatened to torture a known child abductor and suspected murderer to get hold of the location of the child. The threat was effective, the child already dead, the officer reported himself. Before court, the officer and a subordinate got away with a fine of 90 respectively 60 days of disposable income (that's the standard rate for a day in prison in Germany), on probation. Reasoning for the mere slap on the wrist was (aside from them reporting themselves) that while completely illegal the threat was indeed conscionable, done out of a motive to protect. The defence argued self-defence (which in German law doesn't only extend to yourself but others), but courts would never go for that that in case of police officers that slope is too damn slippery. Parents, different thing.
Ok, yeah. That would qualify, but I also agree with the court's decision there.
We gonna go there? A conservative might say that a gay person is a pedophile. We good with the other side dealing out extrajudicial beatings? (They called it "fag bashing" back in the day.)
Straight to jail.