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lemmy.world

The future has arrived, these are things we used to see in dystopian SciFi movies like Terminator.
I'm glad that this is helping Ukraine, but I'm also a bit worried about how this will almost certainly be abused for aggression in the future. Not by Ukraine, but more likely by USA or China and of course Russia.

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War has always been an accelerator of tech. Good and bad.

So yeah I have to agree fully with you.

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feddit.uk

Not by Ukraine? I have some bad news. Ukraine has already admitted using fully autonomous AI-powered drones set to kill any human it sees for a predetermined period. The drones deliberately cut off all comms and cannot be stopped by operators. This is, by the way, a war crime. Pandora’s box is open.

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lemmy.world

Ukraine is using them to kill invaders which is 100% morally legitimate. The Russians are free to go home, and then there will be no more attacks. Problem is when global powers begin to use them offensively against innocent countries and civilians to gain power.

HUGE difference.

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feddit.uk

Indiscriminate killing is a war crime, invaders or not. Indeed, it means there’s no way to know if its going to kill invaders, defenders or civilians.

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lemmy.world

Sorry, but what point describes indescriminate killing?
They are on the contrary describing a very rigid procedure to determine the correct target, and then hitting the correct target.
The exact opposite of what you claim.

find – identifying an enemy object using intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities;
fix – determining the object’s precise coordinates and confirming its status;
track – continuously monitoring the target’s movement in real time;
target – selecting the most appropriate kinetic or non-kinetic means of engagement to accomplish the mission;
engage – employing a weapon against the target at the designated coordinates;
assess – analyzing the effects of the strike to determine whether re-engagement is necessary.

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feddit.uk

This was not the procedure for their experimental attack, where they identified an area in which Russians had been seen, and geofenced that on the drones which were then instructed to kill all humans in that area before returning to their unit. This skips the “fix” element, and does not discriminate between enemy soldier, friendly soldier or civilian. This is contrary to the Geneva statutes.

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piefed.social

isn't that what bombing does? It blows up an area and does not care whats in it?

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A bomb is supposed to be targeted with a human making the final decision, and it affects a far smaller area, and represents one violent event (cluster munitions being illegal). It also cannot hunt people and follow them around corners.

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lemmy.world

If there are only enemy soldiers in that area it does, and you have presented no evidence any of these drones ever attacked civilians.
You are seemingly making shit up to make Ukraine look bad.
On the other hand we know for a fact that Russia is attacking civilians in Kherson every day. Hunting them with drones controlled by Russian soldiers.
So please put a damper on your false accusations against Ukraine, when we know for a fact that Ukraine is up against an invader that does every war crime to terrorize the civilian population in Ukraine.

Ukraine is merely defending themselves, try to get that into your head.

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War crimes are crimes whether the committer is defending or not. If we decide it matters who the perpetrators are, then war crimes simply don’t matter. Ukraine must defend itself, but it must do so within international law. What comes next may be irreversible.

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There are no defenders or civilians at those locations, only Russians that don't belong there.

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