Targetting these is genuinely a viable wartime strategy as Russia projects it's influence heavy through propaganda and other digital initiatives in other nations.
I get plenty of those, as I am one and interact among the rational segment of leftism. What I don't waste my time on is fake-leftist shill accounts peddling disinformation on behalf of the imperial fascist financial oligarchy that is the Russian Federation.
So nice try trying to monopolize leftism, but it's not working. Go peddle your caricature elsewhere.
I was about to say "you've never heard 'superpower' used in a geopolitical context?" and then I noticed your username and suddenly the silent "/s" came through.
Yes everyone having a different political opinion is a bot. If you ask me, that is not a civil comment. You're maligning and dehumanizing anyone disagreeing with you.
Yandex is just web crawlers like the ones Google and many other companies have. Perhaps that server housed their bot farm shit too but who knows. The drop in Yandex crawling is proven with data, but the rest of this is just speculation and assumptions based on perception. It’s anecdotal.
Yandex is basically Russian Google. They do everything Google does I'm pretty sure (except phones. They did try to make phones though), including but not limited to AI, web crawling, the cloud, delivery, smart home, and even payments
It’s stupid because it blinds people to the fact that Russians are working class just like we are, and just like Ukrainians are. Lumping them altogether with their shitty leadership and governments is not ideal.
You're fucking unhinged, I've never seen anyone else who deletes every single comment they make within hours of making it. Using slurs too, go to therapy.
I dislike Russia because they were the bad guys in Rocky IV, meaning I have a better moral standing than whatever nonsense you're posting on about. Typical of a foreigner to be culturally insensitive like that, but I forgive you. Not everyone grew up with access to VHS.
Personally the issue I have is that this is what crossposting is for. Posting it over and over just takes up more space on servers that are largely paid for by donations.
I’m not sure why a community would do that, like are there any that restrict voting? It’s a fundamental part of the platform.
If we waited until everybody was ready for every feature we would never get any features. I’m really not sure that “third party apps aren’t finished yet” is an argument against using a feature of the platform.
I've seen multiple communities that enforced the no crosspost rule.
And by "apps not supporting it well" I don't just mean visually but the fact that there's no cross-post option/button. If someone uses such a client, they're simply unable to use the feature even if they want to.
You linked to a fedi discussion of a news article. Saving everyone time, the evidence presented is:
Take Richard Tice for example. Below are three posts on X from the Reform deputy leader to his almost 400,000 followers on Monday, 11 October. At the time of writing, none of the posts had hit triple figures for reposts or comments, with one not even reaching 10,000 views.
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Before the Ukrainian strikes on the Russia data centres, Tice’s posts got considerably more engagement, consistently hitting triple figures for comments and reposts, whilst racking up hundreds of thousands of views.
None of us would have noticed because none of us use Xitter.
October 11th, 5:08 AM (GMT+2)
As a result of the UAV attack, the infrastructure of Yandex’s data center in Vladimir was damaged. The data center’s operation has been completely suspended. There are no casualties; the relevant services are already on site and dealing with the consequences.
there should be a weekly holiday where everyone agrees not to look at the local datacenters (wherever they are) for the entire day and if the datacenter is mysteriously gone the day after the holiday it's considered good luck.
Bot is a very vague word, covering many different things.
Crawlers do not try to hide that they are bots, simply looking at the user agent is enough to tell they are a bot.
Social media bots try to hide that they are bots, both to the social media and to services like cloudflare. Any half-decent social media bot will exit through a domestic IP, not through an hosting provider IP, especially not in Yandex's AS. And their traffic will be categorized as human.
This graph is likely from a site proxy (e.g. Cloudflare, but I think the colours are wrong) showing information about incoming requests. Posting bots generally make much less traffic than scrapers (scrapers tend to blindly follow links, while posting bots just make the API requests they want).
It may be a good advert but it certainly isn't helping the cost of hardware. Just increasing demand as other data centers must scale up to accommodate the change in network traffic.
The bot traffic in question is indexing crawlers. Yandex is a search engine (among other things), there is nothing suggesting they're hosting LLMs to run bot accounts
You’re not a functional mod, and you’re using the genocide in Palestine to encourage nihilism and bothsideism. You’re just a closet Trump supporter who doesn’t even care to debate pro-democracy people, and just bans them and call them ‘Zionist’ as ban reason. Lol.
I’m sorry I thought you genuinely despised the IDF and were for the betterment of Palestian people, but I was wrong.
I doubt you want to have a discussion in good faith after calling someone who has been to more free palestine rallies than you a “Zionist”, based on 2 paragraphs of text and a complete lack of impulse control.
But if you do want to hear why I think people need to vote even though there aren’t that many good options, say the word and we’ll have a debate somewhere neither of us have mod powers.
Yes, that is why. But I don’t / I refuse to believe that. My point was to illustrate you enforce the stigma around your instance. I’ve seen good people on .ml - I thought you were one of them, that’s why I’m sadly reminded of my naivity. Good people who never wore their instance name as a badge of honour.
I’m saying: going with the classical “BuT BiDEn” defence is so classic Trump supporter. It’s so triggering to you you insta perma banned me.
Are you a Trump supporter? Why are you trying to get people to not vote in the most consequential (again) election cycle in American history?
Or is your opinion that, because AIPAC has such a tight grip on both parties, America should just be exterminated?
But most importantly: why are you so triggered by that? You run several committees with thousands of subscribers, this particular one doesn’t have a sidebar or rules, and you just permanently ban people as a knee jerk response whenever you don’t like, or in this case, don’t understand an argument?
Just write in your sidebar you don’t want anyone else to disagree with you. Even better: set your community to Only mods can post.
You can call me a Zionist if that makes you feel better, even though I am probably more anti Zionist than you are, but I am not defending the genocide in any form. I’ve participated and organised rallies, you absolutely do not know me. And since you knee jerk banned me, you clearly don’t want to know me either, so one wonders why get so triggered when people say pro democracy things around you.
I think you probably just say people are Zionists, because you are so anti Zionist you simply want to exterminate Israel and if possible all jews, but you don’t want to say that because that would be bad for business. Which is why you need to grow a spine. Stand up for what you believe in. Debate people openly if you’re so convinced of your beliefs, instead of banning them and cowardly hiding behind your mod power.
And possibly, very likely, you might have to spend a few more years travelling, maturing and understanding the world around you by interacting with other humans.
Appreciate you sharing the news. I never go there, so i would have never known. Maybe you could not go there soon yourself OP? No worries if not, its your life afterall.
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A New Hope...
Ooh my cousin, GoldAxolotl
Targetting these is genuinely a viable wartime strategy as Russia projects it's influence heavy through propaganda and other digital initiatives in other nations.
Yeah, especially this close to elections...
to several countries elections.
Based Ukraine, boss move
Don't worry, Trump will get the Russians back online soon.
Wait, what? Twitter still exist????
I'm not sure if this is a "It's called X guys" comment or a "That pile of dogshit is still online?" comment. And my upvote/downvote depends on that
It's No 2. In every context.
I assume it's the second option
Par que no los dos?
"X"
Is it though? How can we tell?
Yeah are we forgetting that Russians exist?
Is that also why lemmy seems so peaceful today?
Wonder if it had a measurable effect on .ml traffic...
I'm waiting for someone to say hexbear is down or something. (My instance is defederated from them and grad, so I wouldn't know).
Lets see if we can bait some of the .ml heavyweights out. I'll start:
The PRC is a hypercapitalist colonial/imperialist superpower masquerading as communism.
There. Start the timer.
both .ml and hexbear have had zero downtime for october so far
Darn... Maybe the next datacenter will do it.
the server is in france so it would probably be a major incident if big Z attacked that
People downvoting the mention of France is perfectly valid
That says nothing about where the users are located
i'm in the us and have actually met other .ml users in person 😂
the xenophobic paranoia about us will never stop being hilarious tho
So you're admitting you use 'bot' as a method of dehumanization instead of literally describing a process on a server.
e: and then later you think you can get away with incredulity at being called racist?
Awful curious for someone who self censored, lmao.
Time: Approx. 7 hours...
And where did I self-censor?
Are you timing your diarrhea cramps or something?
You're choosing to censor yourself from the opinions of leftists.
"the opinions of leftists"
I get plenty of those, as I am one and interact among the rational segment of leftism. What I don't waste my time on is fake-leftist shill accounts peddling disinformation on behalf of the imperial fascist financial oligarchy that is the Russian Federation.
So nice try trying to monopolize leftism, but it's not working. Go peddle your caricature elsewhere.
Give me one single example from history when your strain of "rational leftism" has ever accomplished anything.
Good luck with that 👍
But China isn't a superpower
Maybe if your sources are all 10+ years old, that might seem like a justifiable position
nah dude. Laser eyes is a superpower. China is a place.
I was about to say "you've never heard 'superpower' used in a geopolitical context?" and then I noticed your username and suddenly the silent "/s" came through.
Carry on, good sir!
we know r/conservative, and r/conspiracy traffic went down.
Source?
Yes everyone having a different political opinion is a bot. If you ask me, that is not a civil comment. You're maligning and dehumanizing anyone disagreeing with you.
You act like bots, you're going to get called bots.
You act like a botist, you're gonna be called a botist.
Human rights for bots now!
Yandex is just web crawlers like the ones Google and many other companies have. Perhaps that server housed their bot farm shit too but who knows. The drop in Yandex crawling is proven with data, but the rest of this is just speculation and assumptions based on perception. It’s anecdotal.
Yeah this is largely disinformation: Yandex bot traffic drop isn’t Russian disinfo collapse | Cybernews
Yandex is basically Russian Google. They do everything Google does I'm pretty sure (except phones. They did try to make phones though), including but not limited to AI, web crawling, the cloud, delivery, smart home, and even payments
It’s stupid because it blinds people to the fact that Russians are working class just like we are, and just like Ukrainians are. Lumping them altogether with their shitty leadership and governments is not ideal.
You're fucking unhinged, I've never seen anyone else who deletes every single comment they make within hours of making it. Using slurs too, go to therapy.
I did that because I'm tired of you retarded losers and what you have to say. Consider killing yourself
Therapy is an American invention, it's inherently evil to this person.
Oh look my biggest fan still following me around. Please kill yourself.
and you say that's because of your national propaganda?
There are plenty of reasons to dislike Russia aside from the nationalist propaganda, thank you.
I dislike Russia because they were the bad guys in Rocky IV, meaning I have a better moral standing than whatever nonsense you're posting on about. Typical of a foreigner to be culturally insensitive like that, but I forgive you. Not everyone grew up with access to VHS.
The people's ableism! Wanna tell us to kill ourselves more, comrade?
Hope you get the mental health you need, you should take a long break from the internet. Get some friends.
seems organic
WanderWisely originally posted it and GFL thought it was good enough to repost. What’s the issue here?
Personally the issue I have is that this is what crossposting is for. Posting it over and over just takes up more space on servers that are largely paid for by donations.
Crossposting unfortunately doesn't always work (many communities restrict it for example), and many clients still don't support it properly
I’m not sure why a community would do that, like are there any that restrict voting? It’s a fundamental part of the platform.
If we waited until everybody was ready for every feature we would never get any features. I’m really not sure that “third party apps aren’t finished yet” is an argument against using a feature of the platform.
I've seen multiple communities that enforced the no crosspost rule.
And by "apps not supporting it well" I don't just mean visually but the fact that there's no cross-post option/button. If someone uses such a client, they're simply unable to use the feature even if they want to.
Then why didn't you start with that much more reasonable goal-post?
Huh? I think you need to pay better attention to user names.
Yeah fair enough, you kinda tagged in to their side.
Good thing there's no reposts on lemmy.
I mean to a certain extent I don't mind it if the result is reddit losing money.
cope
Source?
Search the news for yandex strikes in russia. Bot traffic was 0.4% of previous levels from one article I read.
Yandex is a search engine. Their bots are just web crawlers.
Link by chance?
Lemmy comment threads.
You don't actually believe that, if you thought any instance had a lot of unlabeled bots, you'd just report them.
lol of course I don’t think it’s true, thats my point.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/data-centers/russian-disinformation-bot-traffic-nearly-eliminated-overnight-after-ukraine-drone-strikes-cripple-multiple-of-russias-google-data-centers-ukraine-intensifies-bombing-of-yandex-data-centers-in-response-to-moscows-strikes-on-kyiv-data-centers
Is there also a source for twitter traffic decrease?
EDIT: nvm
truss me bro
Found one: https://piefed.nl/post/213693
You linked to a fedi discussion of a news article. Saving everyone time, the evidence presented is:
None of us would have noticed because none of us use Xitter.
This is about Yandex's bots, these are web crawlers. This has nothing to do with bots on X.
https://status.yandex.cloud/en/incidents/2136
Nobody tell lemmy.ml
half of them are gone...
yall love making shit up
Watch out .ml aren't known to have humour! (Or being historically accurate, but that's another story).
Ah, the less intelligent half that is left has arrived 😜
Who?
It's really funny seeing you guys yelling at ghosts.
It's called laughing, and the ghosts are angry.
We’re halfway there then.
You can always just go back to reddit and never have to worry about talking to another leftist again.
So you moved from reddit to a leftist created space, find it too leftist, and want to force out the original inhabitants of the space?
Libs gonna colonize, lol
https://i.imgflip.com/44ugq0.png
Tell them? They are the ones that just got bombed. They pretty much knew before just about anyone else.
Also mysteriously gone, hellooo .ml are you there...?
Yes? Wtf are you libs talking about, lmao.
Idk lmao...
I bet you don't know what you're talking about a lot, hey?
I'm right here, baby girl
Gross use of sexist terms from the "socialists"
Now if they can just work on the other half
We have data centers at home.
Sadly.
there should be a weekly holiday where everyone agrees not to look at the local datacenters (wherever they are) for the entire day and if the datacenter is mysteriously gone the day after the holiday it's considered good luck.
Tjis is my favorite version of this meme.
I wonder how traffic on "Truth" Social is going right now.
Give Putin a crown for exposing that its nothing but Russian bots
Coincidence?
Maybe!
Probably not, though 🤷🏻
reddit too, all the traffic has been quiet.
I have trouble believing that. This is talking about Twitter as a monolith when it is actually thousands of isolated algorithmic bubbles
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/data-centers/russian-disinformation-bot-traffic-nearly-eliminated-overnight-after-ukraine-drone-strikes-cripple-multiple-of-russias-google-data-centers-ukraine-intensifies-bombing-of-yandex-data-centers-in-response-to-moscows-strikes-on-kyiv-data-centers
will be fascinating to see how long it stays down... and when it comes back up, if ukraine hits again, when it goes down, again
This is about Yandex's bots, these are web crawlers. This has nothing to do with bots on X.
what makes you assume that? the graph is labelled bot traffic. what am I missing?
Bot is a very vague word, covering many different things.
Crawlers do not try to hide that they are bots, simply looking at the user agent is enough to tell they are a bot.
Social media bots try to hide that they are bots, both to the social media and to services like cloudflare. Any half-decent social media bot will exit through a domestic IP, not through an hosting provider IP, especially not in Yandex's AS. And their traffic will be categorized as human.
This graph is likely from a site proxy (e.g. Cloudflare, but I think the colours are wrong) showing information about incoming requests. Posting bots generally make much less traffic than scrapers (scrapers tend to blindly follow links, while posting bots just make the API requests they want).
These should have been targeted every day for the last 10years, good job Ukraine
i guess that's the plan going forward. also a good advert for self-hosting because a lot of data is going to get lost
It may be a good advert but it certainly isn't helping the cost of hardware. Just increasing demand as other data centers must scale up to accommodate the change in network traffic.
it's been a slow erosion of air defence over the years, finally now valuable targets in the major cities are routinely vulnerable.
Weird, not noticing a change.
I love the fact this happened and I also love the fact how Ukraine is using my yearly donations in its fight against the russian regime ❤️
The bot traffic in question is indexing crawlers. Yandex is a search engine (among other things), there is nothing suggesting they're hosting LLMs to run bot accounts
It has been a tactile absence.
Well that's weird. The community which removes all memes about Palestine leaves up political posts about Russia.
Tells you a lot about .world
Or maybe just the people running the community.
You got banned for antisemitism by your mods and Hexbear genuinely hates you.
.worlders just can't stop making stuff up. Congrats on catching a .ml ban though since besides rule 2 .world also doesn't enforce rule 1
Glad we have functional mods on .ml.
You’re not a functional mod, and you’re using the genocide in Palestine to encourage nihilism and bothsideism. You’re just a closet Trump supporter who doesn’t even care to debate pro-democracy people, and just bans them and call them ‘Zionist’ as ban reason. Lol.
I’m sorry I thought you genuinely despised the IDF and were for the betterment of Palestian people, but I was wrong.
How does it feel to not be able to Blue MAGA in .ml because we have functional moderation?
I doubt you want to have a discussion in good faith after calling someone who has been to more free palestine rallies than you a “Zionist”, based on 2 paragraphs of text and a complete lack of impulse control.
But if you do want to hear why I think people need to vote even though there aren’t that many good options, say the word and we’ll have a debate somewhere neither of us have mod powers.
You start your genocide defense with "this is why .ml isn't taken seriously by other instances" but tell me more about good faith.
Yes, that is why. But I don’t / I refuse to believe that. My point was to illustrate you enforce the stigma around your instance. I’ve seen good people on .ml - I thought you were one of them, that’s why I’m sadly reminded of my naivity. Good people who never wore their instance name as a badge of honour.
I’m saying: going with the classical “BuT BiDEn” defence is so classic Trump supporter. It’s so triggering to you you insta perma banned me.
Are you a Trump supporter? Why are you trying to get people to not vote in the most consequential (again) election cycle in American history?
Or is your opinion that, because AIPAC has such a tight grip on both parties, America should just be exterminated?
But most importantly: why are you so triggered by that? You run several committees with thousands of subscribers, this particular one doesn’t have a sidebar or rules, and you just permanently ban people as a knee jerk response whenever you don’t like, or in this case, don’t understand an argument?
Just write in your sidebar you don’t want anyone else to disagree with you. Even better: set your community to Only mods can post.
You can call me a Zionist if that makes you feel better, even though I am probably more anti Zionist than you are, but I am not defending the genocide in any form. I’ve participated and organised rallies, you absolutely do not know me. And since you knee jerk banned me, you clearly don’t want to know me either, so one wonders why get so triggered when people say pro democracy things around you.
I think you probably just say people are Zionists, because you are so anti Zionist you simply want to exterminate Israel and if possible all jews, but you don’t want to say that because that would be bad for business. Which is why you need to grow a spine. Stand up for what you believe in. Debate people openly if you’re so convinced of your beliefs, instead of banning them and cowardly hiding behind your mod power.
And possibly, very likely, you might have to spend a few more years travelling, maturing and understanding the world around you by interacting with other humans.
Appreciate you sharing the news. I never go there, so i would have never known. Maybe you could not go there soon yourself OP? No worries if not, its your life afterall.
.ml salty
Ml is salty because they're genuinely confused on what reality is outside of their basements.
I've met snails with more social skills.
So lemmy.ml is gone?
Gone where?