Ukraine Defence Forces confirm liberation of Klishchiivka
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Never have I cared so genuinely for places I have never before known about and cannot pronounce.
What do all these flags represent?
The left and right are different parts of the historical coat of arms. The black one is a parody of the nazi, eagle and swastika? I'm not sure.
The trident, is the seal-trident of Volodymyr the Great, the first Grand Prince of Kyiv. As time went on, his children had their own signs that grew more complex but eventually became simpler, and altogether forgotten.
Eventually people began to associate themselves with the old rulers sign, including the military and state, as form of national pride.
Another fact: the modern yellow and blue flag is not the sky and a grain field. Infact, for years they flew the yellow above the blue. It's a color pattern coming all the way back from Kievan Rus’.
This was a fun video about some that stuff: https://youtu.be/Gqgh2U0YkTs?si=gUy8zYO-c5Bla0Gm
Edit: it's also worth pointing out: The red and black motif (on the parody flag) isn't asccociated with fascism; it is their representation of fighting facism. The colors were used by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, before being switched back to blue and yellow.
Here's another video: https://youtu.be/zrfmuD5Gahs?si=K5h5ax5PAUiP44SX
I wish I could read the text on the flags. If anyone can provide a translation, I'd give you my left leg.
Edit 2: Upon further study, the UIA did attempt to create a mono-ethnic state. This situation is complex, indeed.
The black and red flag reads "Na Vistri Sqyca" which according to google translates to "The point of a/the spear". In combination with the information provided by the videos you linked I would guess that this is the flag of a nationalist division or battalion of the ukrainian military.
Were the OUN doing antifacism when they did the pogroms against the Poles and the Jews?
That's a different group. They did commit similar actions. Sadly, small countries that share borders with large contries get swept up into war. Also, I can't think of a single civilization that hasn't committed horrible war crimes (sadly). All we can do, is do our best to hold our borders and keep peace, RIGHT NOW.
OUN started the UPA, it's the same group.
Okay so apparently pointing out that a flag looks a little fashy is something that can get your comment deleted off this community. Good to know.
Probably because you asked why they are allowed to fly a nazi flag rather than saying it "looks a little fashy".
If only it resulted in a ban.
Lots of flags look a little fashy. Flags themselves are a bit weird in that sense.
Which ones are nazi flags?
The blue and yellow one
Be careful with all that edge, you might just cut yourself or something important.
Actually it's not in that picture. It's white, blue and red horizontal stripes. And as with all Nazi flags it symbolizes a nation that is getting its ass kicked.
First of all, there's no nazi flags here.
Second of all, that fire doesn't exist.
You can't tell me that black flag doesn't look like what some neonazi would draw for his back tattoo. And by the way, that fire does exist, it's called propaganda and people buy into it. No one is immune, and that's why pictures like this are dangerous.
A couple of morons buy into it, most thinking people see right through it.
Fuck off calling random things Nazi shit.
Also, sounds like you might be one of those morons.
Do antifa flags look Nazi to you?
Found the conservative ruzzian-worshipping dickbag!
It's not a Nazi flag but there's a lot of iconography on the black one that gives an off vibe for sure.
I guess that's a 5, not an S, since it was the 5th Separate Assault Brigade that was involved.
It's a five with lightening through it, not an S. Five because it's the 5th Seperate Assault brigade. Lightning for assault definitely checks out and Nazis would use an eagle. They don't really dig owls why would they they don't value wisdom.
Black flag and red-white-black come on are these people here Nazis.
If anything it evokes the PAP for me, say what you want about them but fascist isn't the right term. Paternalist centrism, maybe (which actually just describes Confucianism).
They totally should have used that shoulder insignia pentagon on the flag though.
My god you are stupid.
Yes that one, its got some pretty obvious Nazi iconography.