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Uruannareply
lemmy.world

I don't know what other slop OP may have posted but I'm pretty sure this particular image existed before AI. Slow down and check what YOU do.

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TootSweetreply
lemmy.world

My DuckDuckGo image search-fu also hasn't found any references to that image before March 2026.

Are you saying you're "pretty sure this particular image existed before AI" from memory or something else?

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Uruannareply
lemmy.world

From memory yes. I can't find the image, but the discussion of dinosaurs getting lifted by tornados can be seen seriously (with finger quotes) asked "to scientists" on multiple forums (Facebook, WordPress sites, quora...) from 10 to 12 years ago, so the joke was making the rounds.

I do see the "less than 6 months old" resurgence of that image, extended with extra shit on the side that was clearly added much more recently my dumb, so that may be why you're seeing it as slop, I'm guessing someone revived it with that slop.

ETA: this one is from 2023 and it's the extended version, so not AI touch up either after all. Also has the artist name, Douglas Henderson, and it is in fact vintage art. So yeah, easy on the AI false positive.

Edit again: looking at a bigger screen, OP might have an upscaled version, but that's less surprising.

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the fact that the threshold for slop/not slop detection is primarily based on how recently the image was created is discouraging.

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slrpnk.net

I appreciate it, but I'm honestly sick of the slop police.

I don't like the idea of being tricked by AI either, nor the impact AI has on the environment, but I the slop police everywhere, and don't add much to the conversation. The whole thing is generally tiring.

Pointing out 'hey bro, this is AI' and still discussing the post would be a better approach in my book. Not all doctored images are slop either - Photoshop exists and was how shitposts were made for a really long time. We still discussed those posts, and how silly they were.

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TootSweetreply
lemmy.world

I’m honestly sick of the slop police.

Then keep slop in pro-GenAI echo chambers.

(Or if it isn't slop, bring evidence.)

The option to "opt out" of slop has been deliberately denied us by the whole god-damned GenAI grift industry. The only way we have to opt out of slop is to shame those who spread it.

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slrpnk.net

I get your point, and honestly, it's a fair one. I'm not pro slop, and I state that above.

By inundating the web with slop, AI proponents have made it really hard to post/share stuff that's not slop.

I am, however, a shtiposter. I've got 4500 posts over 3.3 years. I'm simply not going to verify everything I post isnt AI. As I said, I do check usually, but theres a lack of tools to do so, and the ones that are out there that I've found are checks notes AI, which defeats the purpose. If you have good tools, paste them here and I'll start using them. I'm not going on a fucking Goose hunt each time I share a meme, though.

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TootSweetreply
lemmy.world

shtiposter

slop ≠ shit

I’m simply not going to verify everything I post isnt AI.

Then expect the same reaction frequently.

the [tools] that are out there that I’ve found are checks notes AI

Yeah, those aren't reliable and I wouldn't advocate for their use.

If you have good tools, paste them here and I’ll start using them

Tineye and DuckDuckGo image search.

I’m not going on a fucking Goose hunt each time I share a meme, though.

"When in doubt, don't post it" is always an option.

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Tineye and DuckDuckGo image search. using their equivalents already, but I guess I can try those ones specifically.

Then expect the same reaction frequently. You do you. Half the time I don't even read the comments on my posts.

We clearly have different viewpoints, and that's fine, but continuing on isn't productive. Thanks, at least, for sharing your perspective. I legitimately hope you have a good rest of your day.

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TigerAcereply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

but I'm honestly sick of the slop police.

I'm getting sick of all the AI slop.

Don't post slop and you won't have to deal with slop police ;)

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slrpnk.net

I try to avoid it, and do some checks where I can't but some stuff still trickles through given how much I post.

While I agree with your stance in the broadest terms, I think you're fighting a losing battle, just given how fast slop can be turned out and how wide spread it is already.

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Just stop posting slop. It isn't that hard.

I think you're fighting a losing battle

So that's a good reason to add to the problem? Maybe post less but better quality, instead of high quantity slop. The entire problem with the enshitification of the internet is the vast quantity of people posting so much unverified fake news, slop and other junk. There is no excuse for doing this. Just fucking stop being the problem.

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So exacberating the problem is the choice you choose to make?

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So post slightly less but be more thorough? Or just say "my bad" and move on?

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Demdarureply
lemmy.world

Counterpoint: Not adding much to conversation is the point. Don't feed the troll. Don't eat the slop. For real convo use real things not corrupted by slopmachines.

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IlCavialereply
lemmy.world

But when an LLM adds more to the conversation than the average poster, you have to start wondering what the fuck we are even doing here.

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But when an LLM adds more to the conversation than the average poster

You forgot key ingredient and what sparked the comment chain - under slop post. Post something normal and folk may respond differently. Post slop, get hit with anti-slop sticker as caution for others and ignored.

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wraekscadureply
vargar.org

Advice: Ignore these folks. Fuck "police" even if they are on the left of the political spectrum.

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Nah, ignore the slop and fuck the slopslingers. I appreciate the slop police because it can be hard to tell sometimes, and being made aware an image is slop can help me get better at identifying it myself in the future. Also people who post slop need to be told that it fucking sucks, because if I wanted to see garbage with no emotion, I'd just watch Fox News, because at least those robots used to have souls

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No, the police are necessary. AI rot causes actual damage to both people and the environment.

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I like that dinosaur photographs like this are intentionally black-and-white because it was before colour cameras were invented

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Pff everyone knows that not only animals were bigger back then (megafauna), so were fruits (megaflora), continents (pangea), and tornadoes (megablowa).

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lemmy.world

They would still be pelted by debris and die very painfully

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lemmy.world

Its kinda weird that they havent found more dinosaurs underneath trailer parks.

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Signtistreply
bookwyr.me

Trailer parks are stereotypical places to get hit by tornadoes. Tornadoes don't hit trailer parks more often than anywhere else, but since trailer parks are often wide open spaces with few trees to break up the wind, and a lot of loosely-secured objects to become projectiles, they're often hit hard enough for the news to do a story on it, thus perpetuating the stereotype.

The joke is that since we've just determined that dinosaurs die from tornadoes, we should look for fossils in the stereotypical tornado place. For comedic effect it overlooks the fact that trailer parks are cleared of trees and filled with clutter by humans, so the locations wouldn't be any more likely to have dead dinosaurs - even those killed by tornado - than anywhere else.

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darvocetreply
infosec.pub

I'm gonna expect you to thoroughly explain any joke when you are called upon by your trigger phrase: "Huh?"

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lemmy.world

Tornados have picked up things heavier than sauropods. If it was a big enough tornado, that sucker is airborne.

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lemmy.zip

It’s less the weight and more density to surface area. This is square cube law territory. A human can be lifted by a 65 mph wind, a cow apparently takes 140-280. At that rate large sauropods would exceed theoretical earth wind speeds. What trips people up is thinking in terms of just weight. A double wide trailer with furniture can hit over 30 tons but is mostly air. A large sauropod is significantly heavier, solid, made of more dense materials, and more aerodynamic.

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pharreply
lemmy.world

Is it density to surface area or aerodynamics? If it can lift a packed 120 ton train, I would think it can lift a 40 ton sauropod, unless maybe the airflow around it stops the lift?

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Surface area/aerodynamics is to make sure the density isn’t spread out in a big sheet or something. Train cars are very fluffy for the max weight they can carry. The stories about trains being picked up don’t really detail that it’s usually empty and/or just rolled over, and not the locomotive.

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lemmy.world

It brings up the question of whether and where tornados formed on ancient contents. If I recall correctly they're really not common outside of North America as they need a pretty particular set of geographical and weather conditions to form.

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I don't think tornados are actually that uncommon. North America's tornado alley is special, but even Germany has roof-destroying tornados pretty much every year - they just aren't as big or as frequent.

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Yeah. And far as I understand, the dinosaur fossils we pull out of the great plains are there because that was the shore line of the Western Interior Seaway. I would expect a massive Seaway to mess up whatever conditions create Tornado Alley.

Also, even within Tornado Alley, the prevalence of big tornados is extremely sensitive to localized quirks of geography. Certain places, like Moore, OK, have been hit with F4 and F5 events several times, while apparent safe zones just a few miles away get hit rarely at all.

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lemmy.world

Sauropods are kind of from everywhere but mostly Asia and North America (as long as what Jurassic World Evolutions III has taught me is accurate). I'm wondering if there'd even had been tornados in those areas back then.

I know NA's Rockies weren't formed until like 50–60M years ago or so (same for most of today's ranges), and there were no polar ice caps as Pangea was splitting up, so air coming down "Canada" wouldn't have been frigid cold at all. I mean, they're cold-blooded reptiles with legs, but there's plenty found in Canada, even Antqrctica. So all those dinos from NA wouldn't have had tornados. The weather was probably very lush, warm, and chill, especially with all the inland shallow seas.

Would really need to check a map for the rest of them around the world in their eras, but I'm lazy. It'd be pretty easy to guess.

Edit: lol, Seropods... Sauropods* You can tell my knowledge on the Dino part here really is from JWE and that's about it.

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feddit.org

they’re cold-blooded reptiles with legs

Do we even know that for certain? Birds, which are directly decended from dinosaurs, are warm-blooded, and the large size of many dinosaurs calls into question whether their metabolism worked the same as a modern reptile's - even crodociles are tiny compared to sauropods, t-rex, etc.

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