If Democrats Win Control of Congress in the Midterms, Will They Impeach Trump a Third Time?
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To predict the future we must look at the past:
In a democracy Biden shouldn't attempt to influence any action against Trump. That's the job of the Justice Department. Trump has made political judicial activism so normal that people just expect this kind of political interference.
I would think they would automatically start the impeachment proceedings. If they don't, I think it answers the bigger question "Was there only one party all along? If so, is it the billionaire class that is steering the ship for us?".
The capital class holds all the cards. Their wishes will be done regardless of which of the two parties has power.
They’re just the modern version of the ruling class. They’ve always dominated since the dawn of civilization. Socialist movements have attempted to overthrow the capital class with varying degrees of success.
There will always be a ruling class. I’d just prefer if it were the working class.
The impeachment process is broken. Its like a referee throwing a flag on the play against "the red team" and then asking "the red team" players if there was really a violation and if a penalty should be applied.
It was intentionally designed to be super difficult to impeach a sitting president, as the founders wanted to maintain political stability and discourage witch hunting by the majority party in Congress.
The problem is, it serves to maintain political inefficiencies. It creates lame-duck governments that accomplish nothing. The “stability” is just maintaining the status quo, and we’re stuck with incompetent or corrupt presidents for their entire term, as well as an inefficient, useless Congress. A lot of damage can be done in four years.
Personally, I think it needs to be a lot easier, like how other countries can oust a PM at any time for incompetence and/or corruption.
If establishment Dems gain a majority this midterm, we’re stuck with another lame-duck government for two more years, as it’s not a veto-proof majority that can impeach or make constitutional amendments.
That’s why I think the DSA are a good thing. Their platform includes abolishing the Senate. That would be a tremendous advance in making government more efficient at getting things done.
Will they? Yes.
Will it matter? No.
If they can actually get an impeachment through it’d be one of the most significant moments in American political history.
They've already impeached him twice.
I mean, why not? They're great at hollow showmanship that does nothing meaningful, it's their bread and butter!
Probably multiple times.
Maybe impeachment makes people feel better, but it practically does fuck all.
Every US impeachment in history ended in senate acquittal. It's bullshit for the simps.
(Dick Nixon was not impeached).
If anyone believes they actually will, I have a brand-new shiny perfect example of how we got here to begin with that I’ll sell for a reasonable sum.
I mean they already voted for impeachment twice
And remind me…. How’d that turn out?
The question is will they impeach him a third time, not will he be removed from office. You're saying they won't impeach him a third time. I think they will. To answer your question, nothing came of it. But that's not the question the article is asking
So…. We’re asking wether or not a pointless and ineffective thing will, or will not happen- and just ignoring the entire point that wether it does or doesn’t- won’t matter in the least, but will cost a fuck ton of time, effort and taxpayer money for no good reason.
Do I understand this correctly?
I mean yeah that's literally the question in the article
No, it’s not. It’s just asking the typical sensationalist copium bullshit. It doesn’t ask why they’re bothering since it’s meaningless.
Yes they are asking the typical sensational bullshit. Correct. The headline is literally "If Democrats Win Control of Congress in the Midterms, Will They Impeach Trump a Third Time?". Your first comment was no they won't, and I'm saying they have already done it 2 times before, and I'm assuming they will do it again... No one ever said it would do any good or if he would be removed from office.
What the hell else could be the point of winning control of Congress? Putting trump in a cell is the last hope for American democracy (if any such hope exists).
Cell? Try the guillotine.
Trump is the last one to go for:
Then Trump and Vance.
They'll keep trump around as long as they can. Being just to the left of trump gives them much more area to operate in than being truly a left leaning party. More bribe checks to cash. he's the best thing to happen to the dem centrists since.. the start of the republic maybe.
Who cares? He was already impeached twice and it literally had zero effect.
Just because Senate Republicans won't convict didn't mean the progressives and Democrats shouldn't still impeachment and make a solid effort to hold Republicans accountable in manner that idiot America can understand.
Yep agreed
Did they understand the previous two times?
Well considering that 55% of Americans approved of the impeachment of the first two times and then in 2020 you literally had a record turnout in the presidential election, I'd say yes.
Depends if it serves their self-interest, the wishes of their corporate masters and AIPAC bosses to do so.
Message to Democrats: You better, that's what everyone is voting D for. Stop the madness, put safeguards in place to keep this from happening again.
problem is impeachment is toothless it seems
i thought the houses could pass laws on their own but apparently that's a supermajority as well so we're fucked for 2 years
maybe the states can defederate and make a difference
What safeguards will work against decades of oligarch-controlled media putting out fascist propaganda? What safeguards can Democrats put in with a mere majority when it takes a supermajority to make real changes?
Most importantly, and I hate to say it: What would Democrats do even if they had a su permajority when establishment Democrats are content to suck at the teat of the oligarchs?
While it's worth the effort to elect Democrats, even establishment ones, because on economic issues they won't help us much, on the issue of human rights in particular, there is a huge difference between the fascists and the establishment Democrats (and if that does'nt sound right, go read up on Christian nationalism and pay more fucking attention).
But even the bluest of blue waves is not going to help much on most fronts. But it will help on some fronts.
14A3 disqualification of Trump starting from J6 or earlier (traitors can not be elected, thus nullifying the whole second term)
With all pardons now nullified, all immunity erased, all appointments undone, prosecutions can begin.
vote green for the status quo comrade
No, it's worse than that: Vote green to support fascism.
They have to. Sure political fuckery and cowardice would likely derail their effort, but it's a moral imperative. To those who say, 'it's pointless look what happened last two times' look what's currently happenening because Dems were too weak to fight and let his crimes slide.
I think the issue the last times was that Democrats took Omar's advice too closely -- "If you come at the King, you'd best not miss", so they tried to focus their efforts on particular things they thought they could build a compelling story about: the Ukraine/Russia stuff in the first impeachment, and Jan 6 in the second. They didn't fathom how Republicans would just ignore it all.
I used to be in the camp that if given a House majority, Democrats shouldn't go there again. But I've changed my mind. They should definitely go there but this time put it all in. Every single thing that we all shook our heads and said "They wouldn't have let anyone else getaway with it". Send over 150 counts individually cited, with receipts.
If nothing else, if Republicans are in charge and summarily dismiss it, all the crazy shit they let him get away with will be on the record. And, if somehow Democrats gain control of the Senate, too, I'm sure Chuck (or whoever else is running things) will have no problem forcing a vote on each charge individually. Call it "Infrastructure Month " in the Senate....
Do a separate impeachment for each thing individually and gridlock Congress for two years.
No. They will not.
Hakeem is secretly meeting Kushner
AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over DSA candidates
Here is Tammy duckworth
https://youtu.be/Cm53m1L4Vas?is=tylEWtlOOoOuycnv
They won't do anything and there will just be show trials with a new mueller/smith and a whole lot of "aww we just missed the margin for the vote, make sure you vote HARDER"
yep, its really all the voters fault.
/s
In a sense, yes. Fool me once and all that.
any democrat that isnt campaigning on 100% unfucking what Trump did, is a democrat in service to the republican agenda.
and its especially galling hearing someone like duckworth say shit like "well, we shouldnt be impeaching, and maybe we can kinda sorta maybe undo a fragment of what he did, perhaps by chance, because i think benefitting the american people means appeasing trump."
Hate to say it, but there won’t be a candidate working for Team Defuck. Democrats capitulate. They are the Party of Bygones.
They can see how broken it is, but in their minds justifying not fixing it because of the effort it will take is easier than owning the problem and forming a solution.
i feel like the democrats used up the next 40 years of effort getting the Obamacare passed.
On purpose, to give Wall St the bonanza profits the ACA created, and to ensure that they have at least one. Maybe two generations of shushing anyone who wants to agitate for a single payer system by whinging about "defending the ACA" instead of actually doing anything their donors might not like.
Considering that the Senate failed to convict him when he attempted to stoke a coup, I have little hope for an impeachment to anything but another one for the pile.
They didn’t fail to convict him twice, they refused to convict him twice. And that is an important distinction to make.
Specifically Republicans refused
The fascists will do anything to retain power… and gain more.
Anything
You need new Nuremberg trials. Don't leave any of them behind to try another J6
I'm happy just to see how many impeachment tallies Trump can rack up, because I can't think of anyone else more deserving of being the most impeached president.
But it's a useless gesture, because you don't need just a majority to remove the president from office, you need a supermajority. And that's just not happening unless Trump manages to piss off the majority of Republicans, too.
SCOTUS decided to declare you only need an act of congress (51%) to declare somebody disqualified by 14A3
Let's show them what that does when put to use
I can’t think of anyone else more deserving of being launched into the fucking sun.
They should, but they won't.
They already did twice. What do you want?
How’d that work out?
We'll the first impeachment you had four centrists that voted against impeachment in various ways and had one centrist not only vote against it, they also switched to the Republican party.
So…. Not well.
I'm terms of centrist not cocking up things? No, I can't say thay it went very well there.
I'm terms of the impeachment being successful and getting 55% approval and then having a record turnout in the 2020 election? Is day they were successful.
The republicans refused to convict, twice. Democrats tried twice and it didn’t work. They will do it again and the senate will still not convict.
I’m really confused by the reasoning here and why people act like I’m saying something wrong. It’s almost like the democrats have to be punished extra because of the republicans being unwilling to hold trump to account.
The point is, impeachment doesn’t do shit. No one will convict him. How much proof do you need to finally come to terms with the fact that he and his foreign handlers fucking own America.
It’s over dude. There wil be no reckoning. He will never face justice. Just accept it.
I have always believed that there will be no justice. The question was about whether democrats would impeach and that has been the only thing i have responded to.
It doesn’t really matter. There’s your answer.
You’re projecting your nihilism something fierce and genuinely being a dick to others because of how you feel right this moment.
Meaningful consequences
Then you want to talk to the Republicans. Because unless the Senate goes like 60% Democrat and the coalition votes to convict, there's nothing they can do to secure a conviction.
Yeah... There is so much more they could do (which I mentioned).
But the whole campaign strategy is to court MAGAs and conservatives while pissing on the progressive left. This means that they won't do anything. They are also all AIPAC so, they won't do it because of that either.
They could hold up procedures and other government functions in protest, (like tooberville did with military promotions), they don't ever do anything.
Can we also impeach and remove Vance too?
The entire Terrorist Party needs to be dismantled. Anything short of this is a total failure of democrats and the concept of democracy.
Impeachment is pointless. The question is whether the Senate will vote to remove him
He needs to be tried for treason- and punished accordingly. And then his remains need to be punished for raping children and launched into the fucking sun.
And every single mother-fucker that worked hard to circle wagons around his cowardly pathetic gelatinous ass need to go down with that ship.
Give the fat orange oaf the Mussolini treatment. Piss on his bloated corpse.
For that to happen, the Senate has to vote to remove him.
If we don't come down hard on these clowns, we are gonna be up to our balls in jugglers!
(And they can forget about the general if they don't put the hammer down after midterms)
They should, just because that's the tool they're explicitly supposed to use to curb an of of control executive, but I also don't particularly care about them doing it. It's a box to check and a media spectacle to give them an opportunity to highlight the abuses, which they'll probably flub, but it's also not particularly important.
What I want from a Democratic Congress is them to say "no" on everything, pass good governance laws he'll have to veto, and to use congressional subpoenas to compel testimony to put all the crimes and corruption and inhumanity on the record. Because I don't think there's a way to meaningfully provide justice in the next two years, but I want bringing them to justice in two years to be the driving goal.
Oh, and zero out funding for ICE and the CBP. Let them coast on the giant pile of money the Republicans gave them. Not one cent more from Democrats. That's a message that will motivate me. Not more promises of performance.
They should impeach him 1000x it will have the same outcome, but at least historians can note this as "The Democrats in the 2020s proved the impeachment process is worthless. Politics had become entirely ruined, the president had become completely unaccountable. Only he was above the law."
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I love seeing more impeachments. They're very exciting. I hope I get to see Impeachment Number Five by 2028.
I'm all for it, though a President Vance would be bad too
Why ask? I mean, they already did a few days ago.
https://truthout.org/articles/democrat-files-26-impeachment-articles-against-trump-over-war-ice-corruption/
Per your article:
Per your comment: How does that answer shit?
You asked if Dems would do X, they already have, multiple times. Would you be surprised if they did it AGAIN?
Are you so confused as to whether the party that has impeached Trump twice and filed articles more than that, who HAS PRESENTLY FILED IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES…
Is it that you can’t imagine they would (checks notes) do just what they are currently doing… AGAIN?
The smarter question is what will republicans do? Of course there’s ample evidence of that as well. Plenty of evidence all around of what sides folks fall on. So I’m confused why you seem so ignorant of what happens next? What’s your real question?
You also believe pro wrestlers have real beef with each other, don't you?
I believe if you are considering this with all the weight of pro wrestling… then you should do yourself a favor and stop posting. Your beliefs aren't worth the effort. Hearing them isn’t either.
You imply keyfab but you’re not allowing otherwise. Dems are doomed if they do (they already have yet you call bs) and doomed if they don’t (you call bs).
Maybe you cannot understand, and maybe mean to say “I don’t believe Dems will do anything meaningful”. Thats valid, but instead you make us suffer your stupid posts full of worthless ignorant questions?
Will they? Won’t they? You know you don’t care and will call them shitty no matter what.
This is all a waste of your hot air. Noise. Pollution. Stupidity you cannot seem to contain.
I don't mean to say "I don't believe Dems will do anything meaningful" for the same reason I don't mean to say "if I drop something it will fall to the floor". Things that obvious don't need to be said.
What I do mean to say is that your view of politics in general and in particular you'd belief that there's any real difference between the capitalist lap dog parties has as much basis in reality as the view of the yokel in the stands that Mad Dog Marvin and Honest Henry Henshaw actually hate each other and want to beat each other's asses.
It wasn't meant to be serious analysis, because you said nothing serious worth analyzing. But keep voting for the ratchet out of your fear of the wheel. It's been doing great things for you so far, I'm sure a lot more of the same will come if you keep it up.
How well have previous attempts gone?
Previous attempts did not have a majority of Democrats in either the house or the Senate, so it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. The Republicans will do anything to protect their own, even if it’s a felonious child molester rapist traitor— which it was and it is.
If the Democrats take back the house, which is pretty much certain at this point, and manage to also take a majority of the Senate, which is a distinct possibility, then they could actually both impeach and remove him from office.
Thusly, the conditions are much different now, or will be soon, allowing for actual meaningful change.
Then the question becomes: with President JD Vance with a vice president Mike Johnson actually be worse than Trump? Because that is a very real possibility. It might be better to severely censure President Trump and strip him of all power rather than to impeach and remove him from office. At least he’s a known quantity that can be contained with a Congress that actually uses its power. President JD Vance could turn out to be far worse than Trump because he’s not insane. And he’s actually far more evil than Trump.
There will not be sufficient votes in the Senate for removal.
We will see…
I get where you’re coming from, and my own soul feels very crushed as well after two failed previous attempts, but no one can foresee the future
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have hope. Enough to see me through the dark times, but not so much as to drive me insane. Therein lies the key.
It requires a supermajority in the Senate. Which will not exist. I'm all for hope, but there has to be some actual chance, which there is not.
I’m not saying you’re wrong…
I’m just saying that I’m a lot more optimistic than you are
Perhaps we could resume this conversation in a month or so?