No energy ceasefire until Russia stops, Zelenskyy confirms after Trump claim
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/15/ukraine-war-briefing-no-energy-ceasefire-until-russia-stops-zelenskyy-confirms-after-trump-claimOpen linkView original on lemmy.world
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There is literally nothing Trump can do to stop Ukraine at this point. Since they refused to give them supplies Ukraine has had to build their own stuff and rely on other means to fight, at this point they don't really need anything from the USA to fight so they are free to do so.
I mean, you can only kidnap people off the street to die on the frontline for so long until the country collapses completely.
Yeah. Hopefully Russia collapses soon
Lmao
You must have misread, he said hopefully Russia collapses soon.
I read very clearly.
Out of pure curiosity, since both countries are conscripting soldiers: what would you expect Ukraine to do? Lay down and take it? Lose their country? What do you think your country would do if it were invaded by another country? Would your country fight back or would it lay down and take it?
If the majority of my country wanted the war to end through negotiation and only 24% wanted to keep fighting, I would be fucking pissed if my country started kidnapping people off the street to die on the front line.
https://sfg.media/en/a/ukrainians-want-end-war-gallup-poll/
You do not.
Yes I do
Now do one about Russia. Maybe the one about tricking foreigners to fight for them? Conscripting tons of people from areas outside Moscow? How about the ones where they refuse to pay out benefits to surviving family members?
I presume you’re talking about Putler’s drafting techniques?
Russia empty his jail and lot of other stuff but they aren't the one that deseperetly need new meat for the frontline
I can tell you don't read the news much!
I can tell you don't read that much!
Thank you for all the attention :)
Better resist and collapse than do nothing and collapse
Only a quarter of Ukrainians want to keep fighting, yet they are using forced conscription to put civilians on the front line.
“Things wouldn’t be so bad if they just stopped resisting. Why don’t they? They don’t want to fight, statistically.”
I’m amazed at how often the “rapist argument” pops up on Lemmy, in respect to Ukraine.
Yeah, maybe their civilian population is sick of war, and they don’t want to be drafted. And maybe Ukraine should make their own decisions/have their sovereignty respected. But, you know, disrespecting their sovereignty is the whole reason this is happening.
So even if you are unquestionably right, what the heck does it matter? Russia doesn’t care what Ukraine thinks, nor anything about their sovereignty and decision making power, otherwise they wouldn’t have launched a massive military invasion Ukraine clearly did not consent to.
Lmfao, democracy is rape now, folks.
I am going to remember this next time a western power invades someone to "defend democracy."
I'm sure you're protesting the invasion of Iran right this moment, lmao
War is hell. Too much suffering affect people rational thinking and the majority lose the will to fight.
I'm sure they're thrilled that you want them to fight til the last Ukrainian.
I want Russia to stop treating Ukraine as part of Russia and widhdraw from occupied territories so ukrainians do not have to fight till the last one
Why does it matter what you want if you don't live in either country?
You sure putin isn't fighting to the last Russian?
Either way he's got a lot more
Did Ukraine lose the war yet?
Do you condone kidnapping people off the street to die on the frontline in a majority unpopular war?
Guess they didn't. Maybe in another three days?
Show me a source on anyone in the Russian military saying three days, lol.
Yeah, turns out winning a war is hard. Tell me when Ukraine loses!
P.S. sucks about those oil refineries. Flammable, ain't they?
No source?
And yeah it's a huge ecological disaster, almost as bad as what the Americans did to those oil tankers in Iran!
How to properly deal with a bully.
Keep it up!
It's kinda amusing. So Trump (the alleged badsss), goes to the VASTLY SMALLER COUNTRY being INVADED to beg them to stop beating the piss out of the VASTLY LARGER COUNTRY. Instead of.......oh I don't know, telling the bigger country to fuck off and give up.
What’s funny is how Trump doesn’t have to tell either to fuck off. The smart person would just play sides and see who’s likely to come out on top, then create advantages in that space. You know AMERICA FIRST. Not Putin not Trump but the country jockeying for best position.
Instead he just fucks up everything with zero no how, 100% selfishness and 10x asshole energy, all in proper Republican fashion.
This guy never says thankyou and it's just appalling.
i upvoted you praying that the sarcasm tag is implied
A bold move in these unprecedented times.
Hey now, it's just Americans who feel obligated to thank felons, rapists, and pedophiles.
I wouldn't fucking stop either, it's working to get the world's attention.
Europe should be included in the peace talks with the US and Russia. Trump cannot be trusted to act in Ukraine's best interests.
Trump can be trusted to not act in Ukraine's best interests.
Could be worse, though. At least he can't be trusted to act against Ukraine's best interests. Close call on that one, though.
Generally speaking, doing what a felon rapist pedophile demands is not a wise move.
Ukraine, fighting for survival, is doing the right thing because it has nothing else to lose. The imperialist U.S. looks at everything as a business
Hell yeah, drive up the price of oil until trump's self-centered pea brain understands that if he doesn't make a proper effort to end the war then it'll affect his political scam of a career.
They're not doing anywhere near as good a job of driving up the price of oil as Trump is.
Russia “respects” ceasefires only as long as it suits them (until they regroup) anyway
hell yeah brother
Hammer them harder to make a point.
Ballsy! They need US patriot missiles, so I'm sure this was not an easy decision to make.