Right, I'M crazy for not wanting to be tracked
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There are alternatives fortunately. Like /e/os from Murena (I have it on my fairphone 6 and absolutely love it, no problems with both governmental and banking apps, comes without google but you can activate some google functionality with microG). There is also SailfishOS from Jolla and its Jolla phone and of course there is GrapheneOS. All of those alternatives are privacy oriented. Cheers!
SailfishOS is proprietary. I would never trust a proprietary OS with my privacy.
Is there any other functional Linux (not Android based) phone, though?
Ubuntu Touch?
... Is it functional? Which device do you have to use it on?
Fully functional, I run it currently on a Fairphone 4. Every phone feature works, AFAIK. Native app selection could be better, but android apps work via waydroid. Probably not banking apps, though... Haven't even tried. :D
Oh, cool! Does it also work on more modern hardware like the Fairphone 6...? I need more raaaammmm
I think that on fairphone 5 it works, but not on fp6. As far as I can remember, I checked quite some time ago. Out of curiosity, what do you need the ram for?
postmarketos is almost functional
Android is too, so...
AOSP is fully open source. Google certified Android isn't.
Sailfish is proprietary Linux. Gapps Android is proprietary AOSP. GrapheneOS is fully open-source and AOSP-based.
I stand by my point. Never use a proprietary OS of you care about your privacy. I don't like proprietary Linux distros.
I think soon you can have a fully functional phone without apple, google etc. So Graphene is the only one today, what do you think about fairphone (I don't know which os it uses)?
Fairphobe is neat but I'd never use it. Underpowered device, weak hardware security. It seems it can run many OSes, idk which it comes with.
I only recommend GrapheneOS as a mobile OS because it takes phone security seriously. With the rise of surveillance capitalism and fascism, people need devices with strong security guarantees.
I don't recommend Linux phones because often lack of basically any security. Desktop OSes have very different threat models compared to mobile OSes. Desktop linux (which Linux phones basically still are) lack strong software security because nothing is properly isolated and it is trivial for malware to exploit 0days or run persistent under your user (I can link to my comment on the insecurity of desktop Linux, which applies to most desktop OSes). Android has protected against most of the recent Local Privilege Escalation attacks present in the Linux kernel (eg copyfail) because of its security design. Pre-emptive security practices are important.
There is no privacy without security. There is no privacy without open source.
Thanks for your insights, time to wait a bit more then :-)
For the foreseeable future it'll unfortunately only be fully functional in countries where you don't use a mobile auth and signing service. Which, okay, I can skip in my country and use an ID card instead, but then I have to have a card reader on me whenever I need to sign into any government services or bank
Thanks, I'll probably be looking into something like those when my current phone dies. I'm not on a "switch phones immediately" budget so I just had to settle with ripping shit out of my device with Shizuku
Just dropped my old phone the other day, went and got a new ish pixel from my local online classifieds, and now I'm on graphene OS. Bro! It's a wonderful feeling. Even if I do have to do all my mobile banking through a browser now
That's kind of what I'm leaning towards. Pixels are cheap second-hand and having owned one previously I liked the hardware. I just wish I had known about graphene back then. I think graphene is starting to support a few other devices now though?
There was the announcement of Motorola making something with GrapheneOS, but we know nothing about it and I fear any device they make will be as featureless as a Pixel. Other than that, no, still only Pixels.
i have the same phone and os with murena. im pretty happy with it overall, but im having a ton of issues with dating apps and idk what to do. i just want to make a feeld account but they ban me before i can even put in any info 😑 im guessing its some recaptcha bullshit but they wont even tell me why my account was banned and they only have an ai chatbot when you try to contact anyone. im giving up but im feeling really pushed out of like the main way people date these days for daring to value my privacy just a little bit.
Fuck surveillance. Fuck telemetry. All my homeboies use GrapheneOS, pihole, unbound and homelab vpns.
Fixed it for ya
Ooh, excellent! Can I update my post to show this instead??
Sure
I fear the approaching day I'll be forced to ditch the dumbphone and switch to a "smart"phone.
Stop blaming tools. Start blaming the people misusing the tools.
Surveillance tech has no place in our society no matter how or why they are used.
Device telemetry extends FAR beyond, "surveillance tech". The fact I have to point that out is ... rather sad.
I really don't care for the semantics.
Telemetry includes error logs and performance traces.
I am aware
It does, and it's really not a fair tradeoff
It's not semantics. It's basic concepts. Concepts that are apparently too complicated for you to grasp. Sad.
Except those tools showed in the meme are made by a for-profit company which most of the revenue is made by tracking and advertisements and rewrote part of the tools showed in the meme to track you and lock further your freedom
Telemetry itself is the tool. OFC these ghouls of corps are misusing it to do all that. That doesn't make the concept of telemetry evil.
It was never mentioned that telemetry is evil, in the post though
"I HATE DEVICE TELEMETRY"
In the original post.
Yeah, device telemetery, idk about OP but in my opinion not all software should have automatic telemetry turned on by default
Whether it's turned on or not is orthogonal to whether it's being used ethically.
Not really, telemetry has various problems
While it's fine on a random app, it's NOT okay on the OS which holds way more sensitive infos and should not drain my battery
*it's a problem only for higher amounts which is definetly the case for OS telemetry as they are complex and require more ample feedback and data