In Comics and the MCU what is an "Incursion"? Is it where one reality moves into another or another earth destroys another earth? If so who or what has the power to move realities or earths?

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In Comics and the MCU what is an "Incursion"? Is it where one reality moves into another or another earth destroys another earth? If so who or what has the power to move realities or earths?

Is that what Secret Wars is going to be about?

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FinjaminPoach

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I like this youtuber's explanation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1eM9z18NezI

I think they are different between the mcu and the source material comics, as is usually the case with marvel (Ultron, Thanos and the infinity stones work differently too)

In the MCU:

in Dr Strange 2, they insinuated it happened simply because of abusing multiversal travel.
In spiderman 3, it happens/almost happens because of Strange and spiderman abusing magic/messing up q spell (i think this is stupid because why should one spell reach beyond realities or have that power? Maybe it shows that universes were already colliding or approaching. But i digress...)
In Loki they insinuate that it happens from not pruning timelines, which might be a lie

It seems like people are lying about what's causing an incursions, so someone such as doom or the beyonders might be behind the incursions after all

In the comics it seems that

the multiverse is a set of universes each in their own bubble, existing in a beyond-3D space. E.g the fourth or fifth dimension is the space between different universes
incursions are actual collisions of one universe against another
Beings known as the beyonders wanted to destroy the multiverse for some reason (presumably they created it? Hence wanted to clean slate again?)
Eventually universes start to collide, which will lead to multiversal collapse
For plot convenience, they collide earth-to-earth, which is possible because the multiverse exists in a higher dimension than a universe does, so can collide at any point without the edge of a universe having to meet another edge first.

Sources: Superhero toy store - marfel incursions (TW: Gambling advert(?) built-into site)

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In the MCU, Loki came first, and the Marvel heads were hinting early on when Spider-Man followed that none of the events of the other movies would have happened without the events of Loki first, and / or maybe that Spider-Man just gave the final push after Loki - but none of the characters in either movies are aware of who broke it first (except Loki). But then, that was when they were making plans for Kang, and throwing in Ant-Man that was also intended to suggest that the quantum verse was common to all universes, quantum travel was going to play a part in the incursions (pushing the theory that they all played a little part in breaking the walls), but then they gave up on that, and that's why the loss of some context made it weird.

We don't know yet how Doomsday and Secret Wars intend to fix that mess, retcon it entirely, or just... handwave it away - but they'll probably pull a random explanation. So far, it's looking like Doom is angry at Steve for breaking the timelines just to have a child, so maybe he'll blame the careless time travel that the Ancient One warned Banner about. Plus Doom seems to have a goal of his own about a potential dead wife and child, so maybe he'll hold some sort of added responsibility.